vsingh165hi, is it possible to have multiple computers registered on your Launchpad acct?00:16
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hallynsay, is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027991/ (dpkg-shlibdeps warning) something I should worry about?  the symbol (sem_post) is provided by -lrt (according to manpage anyway), in libc...03:51
stgraberstrange it's complaining about it...03:55
hallynyeah..  it doesn't stop the build there, at least03:58
hallynanyway (since you're here :) lp:~serge-hallyn/+junk/lxcwithapi now has the debian/ to build a set of lxc2* packages.  builds, haven't installed/tested it yet :)  will try it out tomorrow03:59
hallyn(surely it'll fail spectacularly)03:59
hallyn(so if i do it now, i'll stay up for hours enjoying the magnificance ofthe failure)03:59
stgraberhallyn: right, sounds like I should have a look at that tomorrow04:02
stgraberif I start poking at it, I might end up doing the python work tonight and not sleep at all...04:02
hallynheh, we'll poke it with a stick tomorrow.  good night!04:03
stgrabergood night!04:03
RAOFhallyn: Does it actually *link* to librt?04:06
vibhavsmoser: ping04:15
vibhavCould any body nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgis/+bug/967162 for oneiric and lucid?04:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 967162 in postgis (Ubuntu) "Incorrect binary location in 1.5.3-1" [Undecided,Fix released]04:26
micahgvibhav: only oneiric appears to be affected04:31
vibhavmicahg: Ah yes, It was stupid of me04:33
vibhavmicahg: Could you nominate it for oneiric?04:33
micahgvibhav: task given04:33
ihashackslong-time Linux junkie here, fairly recent bug fix contributor - not sure if I even did this right:04:34
ihashacksWould this be the place for validation? heh04:35
vibhavmicahg: Could you also set the importance to high\medium ?04:42
micahgvibhav: nope, I'd say that's low04:45
micahgeasily worked around04:45
vibhavBy creating symlinks, right?04:46
micahgthat or updating $PATH04:46
vibhavbut users expect these tools to be in their default04:47
vibhav$PATH, and scripts/cron jobs/etc using them will break after upgrading04:47
vibhavfrom 1.5.2 to
micahghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance -> Low -> Bugs that have a moderate impact on a non-core application04:47
micahgvibhav: I'd consider it SRUable for the reason give, just still low importance04:48
micahgbut IANA SRU team member04:49
vibhavmicahg: Set the Importance to low then04:51
micahgdone already04:54
rickspencer3nice, another day of beer in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html05:57
rickspencer3and it's a1 today :)05:57
rickspencer3thanks infinity05:57
testiWhere does unity calculate transparency? GPU or CPU? For example the transparency of the Dash-Help that appears when you keep pressing the Super-Key.06:39
dholbachgood morning07:04
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seb128vibhav, you are still using oneiric? I'm not sure all those SRUs to it make sense, there is a new LTS out and users who have been using it for over 6 months probably worked around the issues09:51
* dholbach hugs seb12809:51
* seb128 hugs dholbach09:51
vibhavseb128: Some of my friends still use oneiric, and are not planning to upgrade for some time09:52
vibhavs/upgrade/fresh install/09:52
seb128shrug, users are weird :p09:53
seb128why would use oneiric when precise is so much better ;-)09:53
seb128vibhav, still as said, I'm not sure it make sense to SRU minor issues after 6 months, users either worked around or move on to something else09:53
vibhavonly if you could convince them :(09:55
seb128vibhav, the issue is also that nobody verifies uploads to old version, see the natty and oneiric lists on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html09:57
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vibhavseb128: :O09:58
vibhavat the number of packages09:58
seb128well, not very surprised, most people run either the current unstable or current stable or current lts09:58
seb128so we have very few contributors still running old stables and doing verifications for those09:59
vibhavyeah, but in the bug report the reporter only requested a SRU09:59
vibhav<quote>Can the fix be applied to 11.10 ocelot too please?</quote>09:59
vibhavhence the SRU10:00
seb128vibhav, yeah, that was before precise was released though, i.e when oneiric was current stable10:00
vibhavah yes10:00
seb128I'm a bit unsure what to do there10:00
* vibhav should have seen the date10:00
seb128I feel like uploading it is wasting SRU team time10:00
xnoxseb128: reply to the user: this is not a security update please upgrade to precise *evil laugh* ? =)10:01
* xnox hides10:01
seb128xnox, ;-) well the contributor is vibhav which is why I'm discussing it here10:02
xnoxah =)10:02
* vibhav winders what to do10:02
seb128but I neither like unsuscribing sponsors, not letting it in the queue sitting there, nor uploading it because I think it will be never verified and just waste SRU team time10:02
vibhavOr wait, Ill verify it10:03
vibhavon a friends machine10:03
seb128ok, deal10:03
vibhavIs that fine?10:03
* vibhav hugs seb128 10:03
seb128vibhav, but please do oneiric SRUs only for things really worth it10:03
seb128there is no real point to spend lot of efforts fixing small issues for it10:04
vibhavsure :)10:05
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xnoxCan somebody please accept tasks for Precise 12.04.1 milestone and Quantal for the bugs in this launchpad bug search query http://tinyurl.com/bv3avz6 I am going to run these through the 12.04.1 release team and hopefully land those for 12.04.1, this is an action item from me from the last 12.04.1 meeting.12:44
xnoxIf release team decides on the change the scope I will be amending those bugs as appropriate.12:45
hippiehackercurl http://ftp.utexas.edu/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | zgrep Task: # how are Tasks defined?12:53
hippiehackerI'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/574287 and wanted to see how tasks are created12:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 574287 in tasksel (Ubuntu) "tasksel: forcefully removes packages when tasks overlap" [Undecided,In progress]12:54
seb128xnox, bug like #1006509 seem weird for a SRU?13:01
seb128xnox, bug #100650913:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1006509 in autofs (Ubuntu Quantal) "Please merge from debian autofs 5.0.6-2" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100650913:01
xnoxseb128: yes it is weird, but it has bugfixes. I need to explain all of them. Some of them should have happened before precise release.13:02
xnoxseb128: potentially autfs one will be split out just to get the bugfixes from the stable upstream branch of upto June.13:02
seb128xnox, ok, I accepted them, can you set the settings and assigned as appropriate?13:02
xnoxseb128: ok.13:03
xnoxseb128: thank you =)13:03
seb128xnox, yw ;-)13:03
hallynRAOF: well it.s a library.  So no.13:09
hallynit is in the LDADD, and binaries linked against it show the right output for ldd13:10
vibhavWhere does pbuilder generate the debs?13:11
cyphermoxvibhav: ~/pbuilder/results or something IIRC ?13:30
tumbleweedpbuilder-dist uses ~/pbuilder/results. The default is /var/cache/pbuilder/results13:31
cyphermoxah, my bad :)13:31
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mterryWhen moving (renaming) a conffile in the same package, I know to use "dpkg-maintscript-helper mv_conffile".  Is there anything different I should do when moving and renaming a conffile between source packages (besides the Replaces stuff in debian/control)?13:55
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seb128mterry, use a .maintscript rather than calling dpkg-maintscript-helper manually13:57
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didrocksmterry: to answer your question, I guess you don't have anything different to do13:58
seb128mterry, otherwise for your question I'm not sure, mvo or cjwatson probably knows better about that13:58
mterryseb128, k, thanks for the hint though, will look at those13:59
seb128mterry, you can take avahi as a package which does use a .maintscript to move conffiles14:00
mterryseb128, yup.  man dh_installdeb also talks about them14:01
seb128mterry, it's cool because with them you don't need to remember which one of the maintainer scripts you need to add calls to14:01
seb128i.e prerm, postinst, ...14:01
cjwatsonIt used to be excruciatingly difficult14:01
cjwatsonto transfer conffiles between packages14:02
mterryI like the word "used" there14:02
cjwatsonhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335276 has a bunch of gory details, and you can still see the madness in openssh-server.preinst14:02
ubottuDebian bug 335276 in openssh-client "openssh-client: unnecessary prompting about conffile" [Important,Open]14:02
cjwatsonBut I think nowadays you can just use Replaces14:02
vibhavsmoser: ping14:03
smoservibhav, hi14:03
vibhavsmoser: Did you upload the merge?14:03
vibhavOr do you want a more revised version?14:03
cjwatsonIf you're just transferring package ownership rather than changing the filename as well, then you shouldn't need .maintscript14:03
mterrycjwatson, I see, so conffiles act like normal files when transitioning between packages.  What if I want to move/rename it at the same time?  Do I do Replaces+.maintscript in new package?14:03
smoservibhav, i did not.14:03
cjwatsonmterry: [fx: runs]14:04
smoservibhav, i wanted to give you a chance to do address the things i brought up14:04
mterryI guess there wouldn't need to be replaces, since it wouldn't be at the same location...?14:04
cjwatsonmterry: Er, maybe pass a package name to dpkg-maintscript-helper?  I'm not sure - you may just have to try it.14:04
vibhavsmoser: fine, Ill upload a better debdiff14:04
vibhavthanks, though14:04
smoservibhav, i can then take a quick look and upload14:04
mterrycjwatson, OK, thanks!14:04
cjwatsonmterry: Make sure that you try it both with an unmodified conffile and with a modified one14:04
mterrycjwatson, k14:05
hippiehackerI'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/574287 and wanted to see how tasks are created... basically what files/process results in the Task headers in  'curl http://ftp.utexas.edu/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | zgrep Task:'14:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 574287 in tasksel (Ubuntu) "tasksel: forcefully removes packages when tasks overlap" [Undecided,In progress]14:05
cjwatsonhippiehacker: They're written automatically by the Launchpad archive publisher, based on germinate output14:07
cjwatsonhippiehacker: I don't know if that's desperately relevant to that bug though; we don't consider overlapping tasks to be a bug, if that's what you're wowndering14:08
vibhavsmoser: Ill file the Debian Bug later, is that fine?14:09
hippiehackerI'm somewhat looking into the bug, but mostly trying to understand how to create tasks and make them available14:09
smoservibhav, sure.14:09
cjwatsonhippiehacker: If you're generating test archives for yourself, you probably want apt-ftparchive extra overrides; our input to apt-ftparchive is in /ubuntu/indices/ on mirrors14:10
cjwatsonhippiehacker: Adding new tasks requires changing /usr/share/tasksel/ubuntu-tasks.desc14:10
hippiehackerI see that file, but the Packages: header only lists 'task-fields'14:11
hippiehackerwhere would one set the packages for a custom task?14:11
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hippiehackerlooks like we can drop a file into /usr/local/share/tasksel/14:13
cjwatsonhippiehacker: "task-fields" causes the packages to be implicitly set by the Task fields you're looking at14:13
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cjwatsonin Packages14:13
hippiehackerI'll look at apt-ftparchive + /ubuntu/indices.14:15
hippiehackercjwatson: thanks heaps!14:15
* vibhav looks for final changes14:17
hallynOk, what on earth.  Trying again to figure out why fcntl.h doesn't give me AT_EMPTY_PATH.  I find ./debian/patches/any/submitted-bits-fcntl_h-at.diff in eglibc source, which expliclty removes the definition!14:21
vibhavsmoser: done!14:21
hallynyay, bugs.debian, here i come14:23
smoservibhav, thanks.14:23
hippiehackercjwatson: https://gist.github.com/2889140 is my attempt to understand where the dns-server task is defined before the generation of Packages.gz with apt-ftparchive14:38
cjwatsonhippiehacker: bzr co lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.quantal, look at ubuntu.quantal/dns-server14:41
cjwatsonthat's the ultimate source, not dependency-expanded14:41
cjwatsongerminate (see package) is responsible for expanding out dependencies in the seeds14:42
cjwatsonhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/launchpad/files/head:/lib/lp/archivepublisher/scripts/generate_extra_overrides.py takes the output and turns it into extra overrides14:42
cjwatsonThat's run as part of the Launchpad publisher and isn't something you can run standalone, but the mapping from germinate output files to Task fields is merely tedious rather than anything magic14:43
hippiehackerquite the process14:44
cjwatsonIt's designed to minimise the number of manual changes we have to make as packages' dependencies shift around14:44
cjwatsonWhich is the sort of thing you care about rather more at large scale14:44
hippiehackerwhat are your thoughts on where Debian went with task-* meta-packages rather than updating the Packages.gz in wheezy and beyond?14:46
hippiehackerit likely fixes the auto-removal problem, as the meta-packages bascially just have dependencies (I think)14:47
hippiehackerhttp://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#Sample_use : "Note that in DebianWheezy and beyond tasksel provides and uses dummy packages (known as meta packages) to pull required dependencies."14:49
cjwatsonhippiehacker: I haven't looked into that much as yet; it's a reversion to an earlier approach, basically14:50
cjwatsonWe could do much the same with our existing metapackages, presumably14:50
cjwatsonWell, in those cases where they exist, which isn't all14:50
seb128ev, hey14:51
evhi seb12814:51
seb128ev, is whoopsie client or server side ever recommending to use ask ubuntu?14:51
seb128ev, I'm trying to figure where to reassigned https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/99160214:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 991602 in launchpad-integration (Ubuntu) "Apport's recommendation of Ask Ubuntu is vague" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:51
hippiehackerIf a wanted to allow a closer-to-end-user to create a list of packages, similar to a task would a good approach be to streamline the dynamic generation of a new metapackage.deb based on a tasklike name and a list of packages?14:52
seb128ev, seems "apport" sometimes suggest "Ask Ubuntu is the best place to get free technical support" ... which jcastro complains about because it's creating issue on the askubuntu side14:52
evseb128: the user never ever sees whoopsie - it's a daemon. Server side there's no reference to Ask Ubuntu14:52
seb128ev, ok, that was a random shot, I grepped locally without success and google is not very useful either14:52
seb128ev, thanks14:52
evseb128: sure thing14:53
seb128oh, found it14:54
seb128ev, for the record it's coming from the xorg hook14:58
hippiehackerat the end-user-level: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages#Creating_Metapackages15:01
hippiehackercjwatson: thanks for the info, I'll be looking deeper into all this very soon15:03
cjwatsonhippiehacker: OK, no problem15:04
Sweetsharkseb128: do you see any reason my mail to the TB ML wrt to LO MRE hasnt been moderated yet?15:47
Sweetshark^ wonder how Joe Average would parse 'TB ML wrt LO MRE'15:48
seb128Sweetshark, your response to pitti you mean?15:48
seb128Sweetshark, try pinging cjwatson15:49
seb128pitti is off today, not sure who else is moderation it15:49
stgraberSweetshark: btw, easiest way to avoid moderation is simply to subscribe to it15:50
Sweetsharkstgraber: my inbox already has digestion trouble ..15:51
cjwatsonSweetshark: Largely because listadmin hates me15:56
cjwatsonYou can subscribe and turn off delivery15:57
cjwatsonfetching data for technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com ... Died at /usr/bin/listadmin line 1310.15:57
cjwatsonAh, there we go, works eventually15:57
cjwatsonSweetshark: Moderated now15:57
Sweetsharkcjwatson: thx16:01
cndargh, I just uploaded to quantal instead of quantal-proposed16:28
cndcan I get someone to delete my upload to quantal, and then I'll reupload?16:28
stgrabercnd: unliekly, we're not in hard freeze, anything you upload will hit the archive directly16:29
cndstgraber, oh... well, it is a crasher fix16:29
cndso I guess it should actually go to quantal directly16:29
stgrabercnd: we're very unlikely to respin at this point anyway (not a reason to push more stuff to the release pocket though ;))16:30
* vibhav hugs smoser 16:36
micahgsmoser: -v when uploading merges please :)16:51
Davieymicahg: if you want to improve on, http://pb.daviey.com/pOI1/16:59
Davieymore than welcome :)16:59
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smosermicahg, i realized that. thank you.17:03
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smoserit does seem like bzr bd could be smarter there17:03
smoserbut i guess its non-trivial when which version to determine to show against.17:04
Davieysmoser: see my hacky script above17:06
Daviey(althought i sponsored a merge recently forgetting to run it.. *sigh*)17:06
smoserDaviey, right. yo uneed rmadison data to tell you.17:08
smoseror som eother source of "what is current"17:08
micahgif you use grab-merge, it provides a ../merge-buildpackage script17:08
james_wsmoser, "bzr bd --package-merge" might do what you want17:11
james_wit requires a flag, as you can't detect it reliably without hitting e.g. Launchpad17:12
seb128could somebody set https://code.launchpad.net/~kroq-gar78/ubuntu/precise/visualvm/fix-start/+merge/108089 to merged?17:13
james_wseb128, done17:14
seb128james_w, thanks17:14
seb128yofel, could you look to bug #998179? it seems that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1 that you sponsored has a regression compared to 4.8.217:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 998179 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "sync of groupdav contacts fails with "unknown error code 0"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99817917:17
slangasekjames_w: remind me why we can't look for the previous package tag that's on the main branch, without hitting LP?  since any tags for merged versions will be on the different branch that's being merged in17:17
seb128ScottK, ^17:17
james_wslangasek, hmm, maybe that would work17:18
james_wit looks at the changelog currently17:18
yofelseems fixed in 4.8.4 which we are currently preparing17:18
james_wwe don't currently do anything based on "latest tag", but I don't see why we can't17:19
seb128yofel, can you comment on the bug and unsubscribe the sponsors if sponsoring is not needed?17:20
slangasekjames_w: for maximum robustness it should make sure it's using a tag that corresponds to a version number that exists in debian/changelog17:21
micahgslangasek: it doesn't work for the case in -proposed17:22
slangasekyes, I'm not trying to solve all the world's problems :)17:22
slangaseksometimes you still need to pass -v17:22
yofelslangasek: commented, but I can't unsubscribe the sponsors team, insufficient permissions17:24
micahgyofel: done17:24
seb128yofel, thanks (I guess it was for me and not slangasek)17:27
yofeloh right, sorry17:27
seb128np ;-)17:27
infinitycjwatson: Thoughts on SRUing for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676533 ?17:32
ubottuDebian bug 676533 in openssl "please enable arm assembler code in openssl" [Wishlist,Open]17:32
infinitycjwatson: It's clearly a feature, not a "bugfix", except that I'd consider "openssl is really slow, and we can make it more than twice as fast" a pretty big bug in our LTS server offering.17:32
cjwatsoninfinity: I kind of thought about doing that pre-release, but there was too much else going on.  Given recent history, can we get it thoroughly exercised in quantal first?17:37
cjwatson(There's a corresponding Ubuntu bug somewhere reasonably obvious)17:37
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slangaseks/exercised/exorcised/ I think, based on recent experience with openssl17:39
cjwatsonThere's that17:41
infinityAre there good openssl stress-test (and correctness-test) suites?17:42
seb128infinity, cjwatson: (you seem to be the closest from a live-build maintainer for Ubuntu): could you review the patch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/975861 when you have some time?17:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 975861 in live-build (Ubuntu) "E: Unable to locate package console-common" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:48
seb128jamespage, zul: is ubuntu-sponsors needed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modsecurity-apache/+bug/988819 or are you guys on it?17:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 988819 in modsecurity-apache (Ubuntu Precise) "wrong path to libxml2.so.2 in mod_security" [High,Triaged]17:49
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zulseb128: i thnk jamespage and racb are on it17:53
jamespageseb128, zul: yes17:53
seb128jamespage, should I unsubscribe sponsors then?17:53
jamespageseb128, +!17:53
jamespageor +1 even17:54
seb128jamespage, zul: thanks ;-)17:54
infinityseb128: Hooray for using live-build in a mode where it duplicated debootstrap (poorly)?17:55
infinityseb128: We should probably just merge, rather than cherry-pick.  And I'm not sure if it's worth SRUing for that.17:56
seb128infinity, your call, can you write that on the bug? ;-)17:56
cjwatsoninfinity: qa-regression-testing has some stuff for openssl.  It's not brilliant.17:57
keeswho's the best person to ping about LP: #1010141 ?18:21
kees"gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor automounts loop devices, preventing them from being unmounted"18:21
hallyni realize we're in freeze now, but for the benefit of dropping the qemu-kvm workaround, could someone look at 1010069 ?18:41
Davieybug 101006918:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010069 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "bits/fcntl.h does not define AT_EMPTY_PATH" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101006918:43
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hallynDaviey: oops, i thought i typed that :)18:46
stgraberhallyn: no more freeze ;)18:47
hallynoh??  i thought it was until tuesday or somehing!18:48
hallynheh, i see :)18:48
keesseb128: can you look at bug 1010141? this is causing problems for image creation, etc.18:55
ubottuError: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1010141 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010141). The error has been logged18:55
seb128kees, is that the one where I just added a comment saying to upstream it?18:55
seb128kees, it's eod for me but I will have a closer look tomorrow18:56
keesseb128: ah, whoops, sorry.18:56
seb128kees, no worry, I wouldn't be on IRC if I was done working, but it's close enough that I will look at it tomorrow not today ;-)18:57
keesseb128: heh, okay, thanks.18:57
mhall119YokoZar: ping19:14
hippiehackerIf want to automate the creation a metapackage (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages#Creating_Metapackages) that includes packages from other ppas.... ie the way the google-chrome.deb adds googles own repos19:20
hippiehackerhow would I get the package cache updated from the new ppas and then install the desired dependencies from those ppas (from within the metapackage)?19:21
infinityseb128: Aww, crap.  Was I meant to leave the gnome* stuff in proposed until someone had finished a libgnome-desktop transition?  Did I miss a memo?20:51
infinitypopey: unity has been FTBFS for 2 weeks now.  Do you know what's being done?20:55
seb128infinity, the libgnome-desktop thing is unknown to me, what's the issue?20:56
broderooc, did anybody look at https://github.com/twitter/zipkin ?20:59
broderseems vaguely interesting20:59
broderthough presumably only if we spent a bunch of time instrumenting20:59
seb128infinity, oh, soname change, well I guess we will deal with it now that a1 is over21:00
broderoof, wrong channel, but whatever :)21:00
infinityseb128: Yeah, SOVER bump.  It's probably just a question of rebuilds for a eog, evo, and a few others.21:01
infinityseb128: Except that unity is now uninstallable, and it's FTBFS in quantal, so someone needs to get around to fixing that too. :/21:02
seb128infinity, yeah, popey's team is supposed to be on that for 2 weeks, dunno what they are doing...21:03
seb128popey, ^21:03
infinityseb128: I already pinged popey a few lines up. ;)21:03
infinityseb128: Anyhow, I can do all the !unity rebuilds, but if you guys had new versions staged or something, go ahead.21:03
seb128infinity, is there any hurry to do the rebuilds?21:03
infinityseb128: Just that people like to see beer on quantal_probs?21:04
seb128infinity, we have for sure updates coming soon so things will get rebuild in the next week21:04
infinityseb128: (And everything is uninstallable)21:04
infinityseb128: But thanks to unity being broken, fixing the rest won't help. :/21:04
seb128oh, the different sonames are no co-installable?21:04
seb128that's an issue for sure21:04
seb128why so?21:04
infinityseb128: Sure they are, but the old lib had a hard dep on the arch:all data package. :/21:04
seb128hate the common binaries21:05
seb128infinity, I will get it sorted tomorrow21:05
infinityseb128: For future reference, if libfooSOVER has a hard dep on libfoo-data (and maybe that's legit), you should probably version the data name too (ie: libfooSOVER-data)21:06
infinityseb128: Then nothing would have broken. :/21:06
seb128imho we should just >= on -data21:06
infinityOr that.21:06
infinityBut not up to me to decide without looking if the dependency is legitimate. ;)21:07
infinity(I see no reason why it wouldn't be sane to want data from the same version)21:07
seb128well, because in practice the next version often works and it avoids such issues :p21:07
infinityWell, and you'd have to version the data paths and stuff too, if you versioned the package names.21:08
infinitySo, a bit messier.21:08
seb128like in this case the -data has documentation and icons21:08
seb128and neither of those changed21:08
seb128but unity is being worked for some time21:08
infinityseb128: Given the timezone skew between me and most of the people who do unity things, can you be annoying to them tomorrow for me?21:08
seb128it got bitten by "need to migrate to new boost to build with gcc 4.7"21:08
seb128infinity, well I've been pushing them for a week, it's a bit of a mess21:09
seb128infinity, unity needs to be migrated to new boost, but then it segfaults21:09
seb128so they are down to searching for toolchain regressions21:09
seb128but that's taking a bit of time21:09
slangasekis there a backtrace posted somewhere that we could throw our eyeballs at?21:10
seb128I will see if they can build with gcc4.621:10
infinity(Time to revert to unity-2d instead?)21:10
infinityseb128: That could be the path of least resistance for now, yeah.21:10
seb128slangasek, the segfault is in nux, it's not clear it's a toolchain issue, out of the fact that the same code works on precise21:10
seb128slangasek, I will do a status update with didrocks tomorrow morning and see what solutions we have21:11
infinityseb128: Actually, if CC=gcc-4.6 works, I might just upload the current quantal version with that.  And they can keep working on fixing trunk.21:11
infinityseb128: I'll test locally.21:11
* infinity just wants to clear up the SOVER skew oops for now.21:12
infinityseb128: And I'll get the other libgnome-desktop stragglers with rebuilds today too, you guys can just focus on your 3.5.x uploads.21:13
seb128robert_ancell, ^21:16
seb128infinity, see with robert_ancell to not dup work on rebuilding the rdepends21:17
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robert_ancellinfinity, let me know if you want me to help on the rebuilds21:26
popeyinfinity: seb128 i understood unity in quantal was building fine now?21:34
seb128popey, where is the branch?21:35
seb128popey, it didn't get uploaded for sure21:35
ScottKseb128: Thanks.21:36
popeyI'll speak to lukasz in the morning..21:36
ScottKI guess yofel took care of it.21:36
seb128ScottK, he did, thanks21:36
infinityrobert_ancell: I should be able to manage; I have the technology.21:43
micahginfinity: you do realize that most of those desktop packages are managed in ~ubuntu-desktop VCS branches, right?22:08
infinitymicahg: I also realise that I don't care if my changes are dropped, since they're all no-change rebuilds.22:23
infinitymicahg: The extra step of comitting that to several different VCSes is busy work with no discernable win for anyone. :/22:24
micahgchangelog isn't authoratative and someone might try to upload the same version again22:24
infinity"changelog isn't authoratative"?22:24
micahgdoesn't have the full histroy22:24
infinityBut yes, someone might try to upload the same version again.22:24
infinityAnd yes, the branches aren't authoritative, news at 11. :/22:25
infinityMaybe I'll go on a commit-fest later today.22:25
infinityFixing the archive was more important that not offending people's sensibilities.22:26
BluefoxicyI don't understand something.22:29
Bluefoxicy~$ jigdo-lite http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/kfreebsd-amd64/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-kfreebsd-amd64-CD-1.jigdo22:30
Bluefoxicy1: 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 "Squeeze" - Official kfreebsd-amd64 CD Binary-1 20120512-17:38 (20120512)' (debian-6.0.5-kfreebsd-amd64-CD-1.iso)22:30
BluefoxicyThe jigdo file refers to files stored on Ubuntu mirrors.22:31
Bluefoxicy...  Ubuntu mirrors?22:31
Bluefoxicyit really does go searching through Ubuntu stuff, too.22:31
BluefoxicySpecifically it's using the mirror list at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+archivemirrors22:31
Bluefoxicy... when given a Debian distribution .jigdo22:32
Bluefoxicyis this a bug or a feature?22:32
infinityIf it's jigdo on Ubuntu, I'd call it a feature.  I suppose.22:33
infinityThough, no.22:33
infinityI guess more of a bug. :P22:33
slangasek"The jigdo file refers to files stored on Ubuntu mirrors. Please choose a Ubuntu mirror as follows:" <-- that's a bug22:33
infinitySince we rebuild everything, there's no chance of finding the correct files on an Ubuntu mirror.22:34
slangasekthe text is wrong22:34
slangasekhowever, there's probably not enough information available to get it right22:34
BluefoxicyUbuntu mirror [http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/]: us22:34
Bluefoxicyhttp://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/        # US United States22:34
slangasekI like this part though:22:34
slangasekUbuntu mirror [[arch=amd64]]:22:34
slangasekmisparsing sources.list ftw22:35
Bluefoxicyslangasek:  yeah I'm thinking it may be a limitation of Jigdo that it can't actually tell what's being asked for?22:35
* infinity hasn't jidone in ages.22:35
BluefoxicyDoes Ubuntu even use Jigdo to distribute?22:36
infinityBluefoxicy: We do, for alternates.22:36
Bluefoxicylike 6 releases ago there was a huge buzz about writing an even MORE advanced system that used bittorrent AND http to download chunks of ISO images in parts22:36
infinityI don't think we widely advertise that we do, but we generate the jigdo files.22:36
Bluefoxicylike it would use bittorrent, but also pick a dozen mirrors and HTTP GET with resume from an offset, download some KBs, then close the connection22:36
infinityThat said, we're looking to dump the alternates anyway.22:37
slangasekinfinity: or if you're from the rural midwest, "jigdid"22:37
slangasekas in "has jigdid"22:37
infinityslangasek: I ain't done jigdid nuttin' in forever.22:37
Bluefoxicybut then there was also talk about binary upgrades where if you made a 1 line change in OpenOffice.org you'd get a debian patch .deb that was only a few kilobytes, instead of redownloading 600MB of packages >:|22:38
Bluefoxicybut I still see updates that fix a Depends: or Recommends: and require re-downloading and re-installing the whole package >:|22:38
BluefoxicyI'm assuming this is either hard or there's too many ways to do it and people can't pick one that does everything they want22:39
infinityBluefoxicy: Some day, someone might make binary diff distribution work sanely, but I suspect that every year, well care a little less, as bandwidth increases.22:39
infinitys/well/we all/22:39
Bluefoxicyinfinity:  I care a little less because I have an SSD and the changes go through faster.22:39
micahgand binary compression improves as well (transition to xz debs)22:39
BluefoxicyThat said, it still takes time for me to download 600-800 megs of stuff without an OC-48 here22:40
BluefoxicyI mean I only get 500-800k/s22:40
Bluefoxicyanyway.  I should file a bug about that Jigdo behavior, just to put it on the record.22:42
infinitypopey: Still around?22:47
popeyinfinity: just22:55
infinitypopey: Was curious if you know the state of the nux glew1.7 transition as well.22:58
infinitypopey: But I suppose I'll just assume that's happening in tandem with boost.149 and gcc-4.722:59
popeynot off the top of my head, no, will check in in my AM (8 hours)23:00
infinitypopey: Mmkay.  Go sleep. :P23:01
infinityChecking out unity crashed bzr.  SPECIAL.23:01
infinity... reproducibly.23:04
infinitymicahg: And this is why I won't be committing my unity change. :P23:04
bdmurraycnd: can you elaborate on bug 973297 being verification-failed?23:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 973297 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu Precise) "Xorg recognizes Logitech Headset USB dongle as input device then segfaults in XIChangeDeviceProperty" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97329723:37
cndbdmurray, it was failed before I reuploaded a new package23:38
infinitySo, it should have been set back to needed?23:38
bdmurraycnd: so it should be verification-needed now?23:38
cndI figured the SRU team would move it back to verification-needed after approving the new package for precise-proposed23:38
bdmurrayokay, I updated the tags23:40
bdmurraywell maybe not due to a timing out bug tracker!23:40
bdmurrayokay now fixed23:41

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