| DJones | Morning all | 07:00 |
|---|---|---|
| diplo | Morning all | 07:05 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 07:22 |
| AlanBell | we will have a popey in the office today :) | 07:22 |
| AlanBell | hope he remembered the dress code | 07:23 |
| AlanBell | top hat and tails | 07:23 |
| popey | hah | 07:25 |
| popey | so it's dress-down day? | 07:26 |
| * popey removes his papal ceremonial robes | 07:26 | |
| MartijnVdS | We're not little boys, popey | 07:29 |
| popey | ʘ‿ಠ | 07:29 |
| MartijnVdS | ;) | 07:29 |
| * daubers eats breakfast | 07:30 | |
| * mattt drinks coffee | 07:39 | |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is on coffee #3 | 07:40 | |
| mattt | slow down man | 07:40 |
| * mattt is on ginseng 1 and coffee 1 | 07:40 | |
| mattt | the ginseng capsule got stuck in my throat, thought i was going to vomit ;( | 07:40 |
| MartijnVdS | dpm | 08:03 |
| MartijnVdS | blah | 08:03 |
| aquarius | popey, correction to your thing about Lunduke in uupc -- the money he's getting isn't single contributions, it's people prepared to make that contribution *every month*. (Also, he's since made the target, but that was after the show was recorded and I'm sure you've seen that :)) | 08:13 |
| diplo | They do the same thing on Jupiterbroadcasting site about monthly donations | 08:14 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:22 |
| s-fox | o/ czajkowski | 08:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Another day of multiple Alans in the office. | 08:30 |
| czajkowski | heh | 08:33 |
| diplo | Guessing using nicknames than real names | 08:34 |
| diplo | :) | 08:34 |
| gord | remember the old saying, too many Alans spoil the broth | 08:37 |
| popey | someone entered the office and spoiled it | 08:37 |
| popey | there's now a non-alan | 08:37 |
| s-fox | Is he wearing a name tag "not alan" | 08:37 |
| s-fox | lol | 08:37 |
| gord | force everyone who enters to legally change their name | 08:37 |
| popey | no, he has a name badge "Ben" | 08:37 |
| popey | "Ben Sherman" | 08:37 |
| s-fox | requisition another one from HR with a new name :D | 08:38 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | What is this "HR" you speak of? | 08:39 |
| s-fox | "human resources" whatever that means | 08:39 |
| gord | which ever one of you is making the tea | 08:40 |
| MartijnVdS | it means you're just a replaceable cog in a big money-making machine | 08:42 |
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| MartijnVdS | gord: you are! | 08:42 |
| AlanBell | choo choo | 08:51 |
| AlanBell | a steam train just went past | 08:51 |
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| === schwuk_away_afk is now known as schwuk | ||
| s-fox | MartijnVdS, I agree about being a tiny little cog in a machine. Sort of scary | 09:00 |
| JamesTait | Happy $TODAY, all! | 09:11 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:27 |
| Monster | is anyone looking to employ a level 1 support technican in the south east area? | 09:27 |
| czajkowski | Monster: same people as yesterday | 09:27 |
| czajkowski | Monster: maybe have a look at http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs or take into account the advice that was given to you yesterday | 09:28 |
| Monster | You never know | 09:28 |
| czajkowski | kinda do, we're rather regular in here | 09:28 |
| czajkowski | especially at this hour of the day | 09:28 |
| Monster | oh I see | 09:28 |
| czajkowski | :) | 09:28 |
| Monster | fair enough | 09:28 |
| Monster | cheers for the website | 09:28 |
| === JGJones_ is now known as JGJones | ||
| popey | Monster: do you have a CV? | 09:30 |
| Monster | yep | 09:31 |
| popey | Monster: there's a fair few on jobserve. go to jobserve.com and put "helpdesk" in keywords, and "south east" in Location | 09:31 |
| Monster | ah cheers! | 09:31 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:07 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: hello | 10:08 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Stuart Langridge] Black triangles - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/06/07/black-triangles | 10:18 |
| feisar | Morning, I set a user up with Ubuntu a few weeks back and he seems to be getting on well but he's asked for and 'online manual' for Ubuntu and Libre Office. I am used to Googling for stuff all the time but is there a central location I could point someone like this too? | 10:19 |
| feisar | or what would be the best place to point a new user too, one who is not all that computer literate | 10:20 |
| dogmatic69 | not much is better than typing the question in google and clicking the first link | 10:20 |
| feisar | sure, maybe Ill just give him this link and tell him to use Google also | 10:22 |
| feisar | https://help.ubuntu.com/ | 10:22 |
| feisar | or even better this link https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/ | 10:22 |
| DJones | !manual | feisar | 10:28 |
| lubotu3 | feisar: The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/ | 10:28 |
| feisar | DJones: oh great, thanks : ) | 10:29 |
| DJones | your welcome | 10:29 |
| feisar | should I hang on for a 12.04 version before sending to him, I mean do you know if it will be updated anytime soon? | 10:29 |
| feisar | I'm not on 12.04 yet but am getting complaints from people I have upgraded to it that copy and paste is not working properly (not pasting between programs) is this a known thing? | 10:31 |
| JGJones | feisar, news to me. Copy'n'paste is working perfectly fine here. | 10:32 |
| feisar | ok thanks, it may well be that the PEBKAC | 10:33 |
| oimon | did canonical move out of millbank? | 10:41 |
| popey | yes | 10:44 |
| popey | hence the party on sunday | 10:45 |
| Seeker` | morning | 10:46 |
| dogmatic69 | I just setup a new rackspace 12.04 server and add-apt-repository command does not exist | 10:51 |
| dogmatic69 | how can I add ppa's | 10:52 |
| directhex | wow. remember my agonizing about putting MonoGame in non-free or castrating it, last week? | 10:53 |
| directhex | or thereabouts. time seems to have gone weird for me | 10:53 |
| diplo | dogmatic69: Edit source.lst ? | 10:54 |
| popey | dogmatic69: install python-software-properties | 10:54 |
| popey | that contains add-apt-repository | 10:54 |
| directhex | https://github.com/dellis1972/MonoGame/commit/101caae21373bdd37e7cd91f58329f7224097c69 | 10:54 |
| diplo | Or that :) | 10:54 |
| popey | is it a cut down install? | 10:54 |
| diplo | Not had to use any ppas on my server so hadn't tried :) | 10:54 |
| popey | directhex: is monogame 'popular' ? | 10:55 |
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| directhex | popey: depends. is HIB5 popupar? | 10:55 |
| popey | i mean from a developer perspecive | 10:56 |
| directhex | reasonably. it's the lowest effort way to release a game on both xbox live and android or iphone | 10:57 |
| directhex | which are the big target markets, really | 10:57 |
| popey | gotcha | 10:57 |
| directhex | that or unity3d (no, not that one), which is apprently the #1 mobile game engine, more popular than in-house engines | 10:58 |
| popey | monogame is free, unity3d is payware isn't it? | 11:03 |
| directhex | iirc unity3d is free if you only want to emit windows or mac binaries | 11:04 |
| directhex | android and ios targets are payware | 11:04 |
| dogmatic69 | popey: thanks, that did the trick | 11:05 |
| directhex | inxile is porting unity3d to linux, for wasteland 2... so with luck that should be free too | 11:05 |
| popey | nice | 11:05 |
| directhex | with luck, with monogame in wheezy/quetzal, it should massively lower the bar for linux game ports from indie devs | 11:06 |
| popey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/650588 | 11:07 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 650588 in unity (Ubuntu) "Clicking on some application buttons in the launcher does not raise any window" [Medium,Fix released] | 11:07 |
| popey | does anyone else get this issue with tomboy? | 11:07 |
| popey | (I do on precise) | 11:07 |
| * popey tickles gord | 11:07 | |
| directhex | i.e. any XNA game with an osx port should be able to get a port to Ubuntu almost "for free" | 11:08 |
| directhex | i.e. rebuild, test & tweak | 11:08 |
| bigcalm | Good afternoon peeps :) | 11:08 |
| bigcalm | I know people will sneer at this question for 2 reasons, but I still need to work out what needs altering. A very old PHP web app uses globals and works when accessed via HTTP. It does not, however, work when used with HTTPS. From my debugging it looks like register_globals is being ignored. Help? :) | 11:10 |
| directhex | i also would like a debian/ubuntu packaging addin for monodevelop - i.e. "build deb" button, "upload to ppa" button, a report which says "your package should install on the following distro releases", etc | 11:11 |
| gord | popey, never happened to me | 11:12 |
| bigcalm | AHA! register_globals *is* being ignored by HTTPS | 11:14 |
| bigcalm | :( | 11:14 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you are being ignored by the channel if that helps ;) | 11:15 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: used to it. But your own comment is then false | 11:15 |
| * bigcalm hunts lunch | 11:20 | |
| dogmatic69 | what is the best practice on user accounts and sudo? add ALL=(ALL)ALL or add to root group | 11:21 |
| ali1234 | i accidentally clicked update without deselecting bastion and now it's going to download 1GB of pointlessness | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | at least it does it in parallel | 11:30 |
| directhex | popey: i also hope that easy availability on ubuntu should help encourage monogame development itself - it has a very active upstream, which is good, but some of the linux codepaths (e.g. for intel gpus) are largely untested | 11:32 |
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| ali1234 | directhex: HIB5 is very popular, i think it's already beaten all the others | 12:03 |
| directhex | ali1234: yeah, that was my point | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | of course bastion isn't compatible with monogame upstream... so there's that | 12:04 |
| directhex | ali1234: true. should help in future though. and it'd be nice if the bastion porters were engaging actively with monogame upstream | 12:08 |
| knightwise | eeevenin | 12:17 |
| knightwise | afternoon i mean | 12:17 |
| oimon | hmmm | 12:27 |
| oimon | getting my mobile number ported but currently can join network but can't make or receive calls | 12:27 |
| oimon | is that normal? | 12:27 |
| andylockran | fairly I think | 12:27 |
| andylockran | dogmatic69: I normally add to adm group | 12:28 |
| knightwise | yep oimon it means they are switching over your number, you need to swap simcards | 12:28 |
| andylockran | otherwise you get all your daemon accounts with sudo privs | 12:28 |
| oimon | knightwise, i'm on the new sim already | 12:28 |
| knightwise | just slide in the one from your new phone provider | 12:28 |
| knightwise | ah , then all you need to do is to wait untill it becomes active | 12:29 |
| oimon | oh | 12:29 |
| oimon | ta | 12:29 |
| oimon | it does join the network already | 12:29 |
| dogmatic69 | andylockran: the adm group provides sudo? | 12:29 |
| andylockran | dogmatic69: in your sudoers config you should see an %adm entry | 12:30 |
| dogmatic69 | andylockran: ah, I have %admin and %sudo | 12:31 |
| andylockran | admin group then is the one you'll add to | 12:31 |
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| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_afk | ||
| === schwuk_afk is now known as schwuk | ||
| dogmatic69 | strange. there is no admin group | 12:32 |
| andylockran | cat /etc/group | grep admin ? | 12:33 |
| dogmatic69 | lpadmin only | 12:34 |
| ali1234 | what happened to the printer config window? | 12:34 |
| popey | ali1234: you could have killed update manager before it finished downloading | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | nope | 12:37 |
| popey | nope? | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | nope. | 12:37 |
| popey | nope! | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | NOEEEEEEEEEEEEE | 12:37 |
| popey | nope‽ | 12:38 |
| ali1234 | the problem is the "system settings" printer dialogue sucks | 12:38 |
| ali1234 | and i need to be using system-config-printer | 12:38 |
| ali1234 | which actually works | 12:38 |
| knightwise | popey: 12.04 runs pretty fast on a 4.2 gen macbok pro | 12:38 |
| knightwise | keyboard settings arent perfect but its workable | 12:38 |
| andylockran | I find the mouse hard to use in ubuntu on macbook | 12:42 |
| andylockran | it doesn't act quite the same as osx | 12:42 |
| knightwise | andylockran: the touchpad is pretty sensitive | 12:43 |
| knightwise | i use an external mouse m that helps | 12:43 |
| arsen | hm | 12:45 |
| arsen | using gconf-editor i cant change settings for gnome-terminal (/apps/gnome-terminal/default) - apparently all the keys are not writeable | 12:46 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: you should of stuck to unity :P | 12:49 |
| knightwise | hmm | 12:56 |
| arsen | so 12.04 in a virtualbox isnt going well so far :/ maybe its me with nis breaking it | 12:59 |
| dogmatic69 | is it possible to extract particular files from a tar.gz in terminal? | 13:00 |
| dogmatic69 | or even remove files from a tar.gz in terminal | 13:00 |
| ormiret | dogmatic69: tar's --delete option will remove files from an archive. | 13:07 |
| === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan | ||
| ali1234 | cups is now even worse :/ | 13:16 |
| davmor2 | dogmatic69: yes, yes it is | 13:16 |
| dogmatic69 | davmor2: --delete is not working for me, complaining that the archive is bust | 13:16 |
| dogmatic69 | tar: www.tar.gz: Cannot read: Bad file descriptor | 13:17 |
| dogmatic69 | tar: At beginning of tape, quitting now | 13:17 |
| dogmatic69 | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now | 13:17 |
| davmor2 | dogmatic69: I'd say that was broken to be honest what happens if you just try to open the tar file | 13:18 |
| dogmatic69 | davmor2: it is too big to extract everything hence wanting to clean it up | 13:18 |
| dogmatic69 | the tar is 5 gigs :/ | 13:18 |
| dogmatic69 | server has 3 gigs available | 13:19 |
| davmor2 | dogmatic69: my I suggest you are screwed | 13:19 |
| dogmatic69 | yes, yes I am :/ | 13:19 |
| dogmatic69 | making a new one with out the extra files. | 13:20 |
| dogmatic69 | good thing its server to server so 8mb/s download | 13:20 |
| davmor2 | dogmatic69: http://www.apl.jhu.edu/Misc/Unix-info/tar/tar_32.html --delete seems to be the only way :( | 13:21 |
| dogmatic69 | davmor2: I think the problem is that is .gz | 13:24 |
| dogmatic69 | I think --delete works on .tar | 13:24 |
| dogmatic69 | not .tar.gz | 13:24 |
| davmor2 | dogmatic69: http://justlinux.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-99659.html -f or -t may be your friend check the last comment | 13:26 |
| dogmatic69 | that is the exact post I got the error from | 13:28 |
| bubu\a | hi guys - anyone ever had to convert a windows pk12 root cert into .pem and install it as a trusted CA root cert? | 13:37 |
| MartijnVdS | bubu\a: openssl pkcs12 help | 13:38 |
| MartijnVdS | bubu\a: and the files in /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates :) | 13:38 |
| gord | bah, spotify adverts are the most annoying things in the world | 13:48 |
| bigcalm | gord: easy way to fix that | 13:49 |
| gord | really don't think the service is worth the money it costs though | 13:50 |
| bigcalm | gord: then the adverts are not that annoying :) | 13:50 |
| gord | annoy till you pay is a business model i don't wanna support either | 13:50 |
| gord | should just renew my last.fm subscription :) | 13:50 |
| gord | then maybe write a nicer looking client just to play it | 13:51 |
| davmor2 | gord: or just use last.fm in rhythmbox where it is available for free still | 13:51 |
| popey | !register | 13:51 |
| lubotu3 | Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode | 13:51 |
| gord | davmor2, sure, but rhythmbox is annoying me lately, not pretty to look at and it has this annoying clip on the title of any of your tracks | 13:52 |
| davmor2 | gord: so you just close the window once it's playing and never look at it again ever :D | 13:53 |
| gord | pfft, then what is the point in having two monitors? one to do work on, one to show something pretty and play music! | 13:53 |
| ali1234 | if you close the window it randomy stops playing for no reason | 13:54 |
| popey | gord: seen the new rhythmbox? | 14:49 |
| gord | popey, nope, got a ppa? | 14:50 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/rhythmbox | 14:50 |
| gord | ta | 14:51 |
| davmor2 | popey: do you have an image of it? | 14:53 |
| popey | a screenshot? | 14:56 |
| davmor2 | popey: if you have one yes please | 14:57 |
| popey | sure | 14:58 |
| davmor2 | popey: as in if you happen to of installed it already any chance of an screenshot of it | 14:58 |
| popey | i dont have one, but can do | 14:58 |
| davmor2 | thanks | 14:58 |
| gord | hum, its better | 14:58 |
| gord | be nicer if we had spotify like dark theming for this kind of stuff | 14:59 |
| czajkowski | Juju at your service webinar live now. http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/49171 | 15:00 |
| popey | davmor2: http://ubuntuone.com/2SldvRBYlkZYtLDFHMWGld | 15:01 |
| gord | might also be better if it focused a bit more on looking pretty rather than looking like a spreadsheet | 15:02 |
| davmor2 | popey: oh pretty that is a lot nicer than the current I like the inclusion of the album art by the player | 15:03 |
| czajkowski | popey: daft question time :/ on rhythmbox my artwork appears in the bottim lower left, how did you get yours on top ? | 16:00 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: it's a newer RB | 16:04 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: that's why I asked for an image | 16:04 |
| czajkowski | I'm all up to date | 16:04 |
| czajkowski | :/ | 16:04 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: so you say, this is what being in Ireland does for you :P | 16:05 |
| gord | czajkowski, no, newer as in, not in ubuntu | 16:11 |
| gord | czajkowski, https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/rhythmbox | 16:11 |
| Azelphur | Can anyone tell me what the gnome display/monitors config tool is called? | 16:25 |
| Azelphur | I don't seem to have it for some reason :( | 16:26 |
| gord | Azelphur, gnome-control-center? | 16:26 |
| Azelphur | gord, it doesn't appear to be in there | 16:27 |
| gord | Azelphur, do you have a gnome-display-panel.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ ? | 16:29 |
| === seeker_ is now known as seeker | ||
| Azelphur | gord, yep | 16:31 |
| gord | Azelphur, then you have problems i can not solve | 16:31 |
| Azelphur | weird :p | 16:31 |
| Azelphur | on the bright side I found arandr which did the job nicely | 16:31 |
| dogmatic69 | nothing better than "1287839940 bytes received in 59.46 secs (21149.9 kB/s)" | 16:48 |
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| Azelphur | Length: 3998007296 (3.7G) [application/octet-stream] | 16:51 |
| Azelphur | Saving to: `debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso' | 16:51 |
| Azelphur | 11% [========> ] 450,190,408 22.2M/s eta 2m 54s | 16:51 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69, sure there is ;) | 16:51 |
| dogmatic69 | :/ | 16:51 |
| dogmatic69 | 2.1M faster | 16:52 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 16:52 |
| dogmatic69 | Maybe mine was still warming up :) | 16:52 |
| Azelphur | anyone happen to know how to get on a ppa for the latest kernels? | 16:53 |
| dogmatic69 | mysql importing a 1.2 gig file | 16:59 |
| dogmatic69 | server has 250mb ram and swapping hard | 17:00 |
| dogmatic69 | 400/500mb swap | 17:00 |
| dogmatic69 | cherokee still dispatching web requests :D | 17:00 |
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| Azelphur | dogmatic69, haha, this is a huge dedicated server in internap NYC with all the trimmings | 17:17 |
| Azelphur | tier 1 1gbit/sec | 17:17 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Welcome to the sgs3 suffering camp | 17:18 |
| Azelphur | suffering? | 17:18 |
| Azelphur | your talking about a galaxy s3? | 17:18 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: Want one can't have one cause contract isn't quite there yet | 17:19 |
| Azelphur | haha | 17:19 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: You can mock the afflicted but there are more of us than there is of you ;) | 17:21 |
| Azelphur | xD | 17:21 |
| Azelphur | I still have my HTC Desire Z | 17:21 |
| Azelphur | won't buy nothing without a physical keyboard :) | 17:21 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: I'm on an Motorola Milestone | 17:21 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: the screen on the s3 is big enough for me to not have issues typing on which is the only reason why I'm looking at it | 17:22 |
| Azelphur | hehe, I like emulators and stuff on my phone, plus typing is much faster on a physical keyboard no matter how good the touch screen is | 17:23 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: mine is a tiny 256mb rackspace server in london | 17:26 |
| Azelphur | :) | 17:26 |
| dogmatic69 | connecting to so other server that must be in london too. | 17:27 |
| dogmatic69 | normal dl like wget foobar is 10mb/s | 17:27 |
| dogmatic69 | or 8ish | 17:27 |
| Azelphur | :) | 17:32 |
| Azelphur | does anyone know if there is a PPA to put me on the latest kernel builds | 17:32 |
| aquarius | popey, ping? | 18:58 |
| popey | aquarius: pong | 18:58 |
| aquarius | popey, if someone's got ubuntu in a vmware fusion vm on a macbook, and they'd like rhythmbox in Ubuntu to be able to see the music in iTunes on the mac via daap sharing, is that doable? | 18:59 |
| aquarius | popey, it doesn't work out of the box, but I don't really understand how fusion does networking | 18:59 |
| popey | yeah, should be do-able | 19:00 |
| popey | i dont know vmware so dunno how, but there must be some kind of "bridged" network | 19:00 |
| popey | rather than "NAT" | 19:00 |
| aquarius | aha, bridge, that sounds like a usefully magic word to google for ;) | 19:00 |
| popey | http://www.vmware.com/support/ws4/doc/network_bridged_ws.html looks plausible | 19:01 |
| aquarius | does zeroconf magicness work over a bridged network?? | 19:01 |
| aquarius | this stuff is all a deep mystery to me ;-) | 19:01 |
| aquarius | http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1003814 seems relevat, I think | 19:02 |
| MartijnVdS | bridge, it should | 19:03 |
| popey | aquarius: its not that it needs bridged network | 19:05 |
| popey | its that the two devices need to be on the 'same' network | 19:05 |
| popey | avahi/zeroconf/bonjour _only_ work on one network | 19:05 |
| popey | they don't traverse networks | 19:05 |
| MartijnVdS | and a bridge is like a switch/hub | 19:05 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: s/network/broadcast domain/ for more precise definition :) | 19:06 |
| popey | and a vm usually has a different IP address range (like 10.0.0.2) by default, so on a different network | 19:06 |
| popey | yeah, terminology fail | 19:06 |
| aquarius | bah, just tried turning on bridge networking and it didn't work | 19:09 |
| AlanBell | I will try it with virtualbox in a sec, just downloaded a quantal iso | 19:09 |
| AlanBell | aquarius: wired or wireless? | 19:09 |
| MartijnVdS | aquarius: can you see broadcasts from the vm in the lan? | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | aquarius: then bonjour should work.. | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | wireless bridging used to be problematic as wifi routers got upset with devices wanting multiple IP addresses | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | aquarius: especially if they're on the same IP ranges, etc. | 19:10 |
| aquarius | AlanBell, um, it's wireless, but I just want to zeroconf talk to the host machine | 19:10 |
| aquarius | so not over the actual network at all | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | aquarius: sure, but did both get an IP address from the wireless router? | 19:10 |
| aquarius | MartijnVdS, I have no idea how to answer that question :) | 19:10 |
| aquarius | AlanBell, er, dunno, will find out | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | aquarius: (a) are all machines (virtual and physical) in the same IP network | 19:11 |
| aquarius | MartijnVdS, I shall ask him to find out what the IP of the ubuntu vm is :) | 19:11 |
| MartijnVdS | aquarius: (b) if you run tshark (or whatever other sniffer) on one of the machines, can you see broadcast packets sent by the others | 19:11 |
| MartijnVdS | aquarius: if both are "yes" and it still doesn't work... that would be very weird | 19:11 |
| * AlanBell installs quantal | 19:11 | |
| * AlanBell must fix that loopy "replace windows with Ubuntu" string in ubiquity | 19:14 | |
| * AlanBell bzr branches ubiquity | 19:16 | |
| aquarius | MartijnVdS, they are both on the same subnet | 19:17 |
| popey | and itunes is running? | 19:17 |
| directhex | anyone have a use for a third off at http://www.logitech.com/349/7300 ? | 19:17 |
| * popey bets Azelphur would directhex or maybe even ali1234 | 19:18 | |
| aquarius | popey, yep | 19:19 |
| popey | interesting | 19:19 |
| aquarius | popey, and itunes on this mac can see a shared library from the mac mini on the same network | 19:19 |
| popey | i can't see the macs on my network either at the moment | 19:19 |
| aquarius | but ubuntu can't see either | 19:19 |
| aquarius | (in rhythmbox) | 19:19 |
| * popey goes to check a mac is on | 19:20 | |
| popey | it was not | 19:22 |
| popey | sommat wrong here, i cant see the mac | 19:22 |
| popey | oh, different networks | 19:22 |
| popey | yup works | 19:23 |
| popey | now they are on the same LAN ☺ | 19:23 |
| * AlanBell has installed quantal | 19:24 | |
| popey | aquarius: enabled the daap plugin? | 19:24 |
| aquarius | popey, yep, I tried that | 19:24 |
| popey | and they both deffo have the same IP range? | 19:24 |
| AlanBell | tried manually connecting to the DAAP share with the rhythmbox menu option? | 19:25 |
| popey | are you sat at it or is this remote hands you're proxying? | 19:25 |
| MartijnVdS | Isn't newer iTunes "protected" by apple? | 19:25 |
| MartijnVdS | so it's not usable by free software | 19:25 |
| popey | doesnt look like it | 19:25 |
| popey | i can see it here in RB | 19:26 |
| AlanBell | no, it is an open protocol MartijnVdS | 19:26 |
| popey | oh hang on | 19:26 |
| MartijnVdS | It used to work, but it broke in iTunes 8 or 9 | 19:26 |
| popey | "Could not connect to shared music" | 19:26 |
| popey | when i actually click on it | 19:26 |
| MartijnVdS | With iTunes 7.0, a new 'Client-DAAP-Validation' header hash is needed when connecting to an iTunes 7.0 server. This does not affect third-party DAAP servers, but all current DAAP clients (including official iTunes before iTunes 7.0) will fail to connect to an iTunes 7.0 server, receiving a '403 Forbidden' HTTP error. The iTunes 7.0 authentication traffic analysis seem to indicate that a certificate exchange is performed to calculate the hash s | 19:27 |
| MartijnVdS | As of June 2010, the iTunes 7.0 DAAP authentication still hasn't been reverse engineered, so no third-party application can stream from iTunes 7.x, 8.x, 9.x or 10.x servers | 19:27 |
| AlanBell | ooh, that isn't so good | 19:27 |
| MartijnVdS | my NAS has a built in "itunes" server that works | 19:28 |
| MartijnVdS | but that's not an official APple one | 19:29 |
| aquarius | popey, they have the same, ya -- 192.168.1.70 is the mac, .1.71 is the ubutnu vm | 19:32 |
| aquarius | popey, it's remote hands being proxied ;) | 19:32 |
| aquarius | popey, I can't even see it | 19:32 |
| datadave | newbie to ubuntu here in manchester... | 19:32 |
| aquarius | popey, (can't even see the share, I mean) | 19:32 |
| AlanBell | in ubiquity there is a really annoying lable, the definition of it is | 19:35 |
| AlanBell | <property name="label" translatable="yes">Replace Windows with Ubuntu</property> | 19:35 |
| popey | hi datadave | 19:36 |
| datadave | hey | 19:36 |
| popey | AlanBell: why is that annoying? | 19:36 |
| AlanBell | it is utterly wrong as I never use windows and it is the lable for replacing the previous operating system with Ubuntu - not just windows | 19:36 |
| AlanBell | orca reads it, but it isn't displayed on screen | 19:37 |
| popey | hah | 19:37 |
| datadave | i dont know where to start | 19:37 |
| popey | datadave: welcome to our world ☺ | 19:37 |
| AlanBell | o/ datadave | 19:37 |
| datadave | im liking it so far | 19:37 |
| popey | thats a good start | 19:38 |
| datadave | i have it installed on dell latitude d600 | 19:38 |
| datadave | not sure what i want to do with it | 19:38 |
| popey | datadave: who will own the laptop? you? | 19:40 |
| datadave | me | 19:40 |
| datadave | i have used transmission, browsed the web, thats about it | 19:41 |
| popey | winner ☺ | 19:41 |
| daubers | evening | 19:46 |
| AlanBell | https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/ubiquity/fix1010179/+merge/109224 lets see what happens with that | 19:47 |
| Azelphur | popey / directhex haha nice, unfortunately I already have it all :( | 19:48 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if popey has put his suitcases away yet? | 21:03 | |
| DJones | i wish manufacturers wouldn't require you to connect a device to a windows machine to register and authenticate it | 21:04 |
| dogmatic69 | DJones: everyone has windows... | 21:18 |
| dogmatic69 | try using a new iPhone when you are not interested in mac, or windows :/ | 21:19 |
| shauno | they don't actually require that anymore | 21:29 |
| gord | i just can't get it out of my head that windows 8's theming just looks like that horrible default theme gtk uses when gnome-settings-daemon dies | 21:39 |
| dogmatic69 | is there a safe easy way to remove encrypted home dir? | 23:31 |
| dogmatic69 | just want it normal :/ | 23:31 |
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