[07:00] <DJones> Morning all
[07:05] <diplo> Morning all
[07:22] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:22] <AlanBell> we will have a popey in the office today :)
[07:23] <AlanBell> hope he remembered the dress code
[07:23] <AlanBell> top hat and tails
[07:25] <popey> hah
[07:26] <popey> so it's dress-down day?
[07:26]  * popey removes his papal ceremonial robes
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> We're not little boys, popey
[07:29] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[07:30]  * daubers eats breakfast
[07:39]  * mattt drinks coffee
[07:40]  * TheOpenSourcerer is on coffee #3
[07:40] <mattt> slow down man
[07:40]  * mattt is on ginseng 1 and coffee 1
[07:40] <mattt> the ginseng capsule got stuck in my throat, thought i was going to vomit ;(
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> dpm
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> blah
[08:13] <aquarius> popey, correction to your thing about Lunduke in uupc -- the money he's getting isn't single contributions, it's people prepared to make that contribution *every month*. (Also, he's since made the target, but that was after the show was recorded and I'm sure you've seen that :))
[08:14] <diplo> They do the same thing on Jupiterbroadcasting site about monthly donations
[08:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:22] <s-fox> o/ czajkowski
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Another day of multiple Alans in the office.
[08:33] <czajkowski> heh
[08:34] <diplo> Guessing using nicknames than real names
[08:34] <diplo> :)
[08:37] <gord> remember the old saying, too many Alans spoil the broth
[08:37] <popey> someone entered the office and spoiled it
[08:37] <popey> there's now a non-alan
[08:37] <s-fox> Is he wearing a name tag "not alan"
[08:37] <s-fox> lol
[08:37] <gord> force everyone who enters to legally change their name
[08:37] <popey> no, he has a name badge "Ben"
[08:37] <popey> "Ben Sherman"
[08:38] <s-fox> requisition another one from HR with a new name :D
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> What is this "HR" you speak of?
[08:39] <s-fox> "human resources" whatever that means
[08:40] <gord> which ever one of you is making the tea
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> it means you're just a replaceable cog in a big money-making machine
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> gord: you are!
[08:51] <AlanBell> choo choo
[08:51] <AlanBell> a steam train just went past
[09:00] <s-fox> MartijnVdS,  I agree about being a tiny little cog in a machine. Sort of scary
[09:11] <JamesTait> Happy $TODAY, all!
[09:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:27] <Monster> is anyone looking to employ a level 1 support technican in the south east area?
[09:27] <czajkowski> Monster: same people as yesterday
[09:28] <czajkowski> Monster: maybe have a look at http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs  or take into account the advice that was given to you yesterday
[09:28] <Monster> You never know
[09:28] <czajkowski> kinda do, we're rather regular in here
[09:28] <czajkowski> especially at this hour of the day
[09:28] <Monster> oh I see
[09:28] <czajkowski> :)
[09:28] <Monster> fair enough
[09:28] <Monster> cheers for the website
[09:30] <popey> Monster: do you have a CV?
[09:31] <Monster> yep
[09:31] <popey> Monster: there's a fair few on jobserve. go to jobserve.com and put "helpdesk" in keywords, and "south east" in Location
[09:31] <Monster> ah cheers!
[10:07] <davmor2> morning all
[10:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: hello
[10:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Black triangles - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/06/07/black-triangles
[10:19] <feisar> Morning, I set a user up with Ubuntu a few weeks back and he seems to be getting on well but he's asked for and 'online manual' for Ubuntu and Libre Office. I am used to Googling for stuff all the time but is there a central location I could point someone like this too?
[10:20] <feisar> or what would be the best place to point a new user too, one who is not all that computer literate
[10:20] <dogmatic69> not much is better than typing the question in google and clicking the first link
[10:22] <feisar> sure, maybe Ill just give him this link and tell him to use Google also
[10:22] <feisar> https://help.ubuntu.com/
[10:22] <feisar> or even better this link https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/
[10:28] <DJones> !manual | feisar
[10:29] <feisar> DJones: oh great, thanks : )
[10:29] <DJones> your welcome
[10:29] <feisar> should I hang on for a 12.04 version before sending to him, I mean do you know if it will be updated anytime soon?
[10:31] <feisar> I'm not on 12.04 yet but am getting complaints from people I have upgraded to it that copy and paste is not working properly (not pasting between programs) is this a known thing?
[10:32] <JGJones> feisar, news to me. Copy'n'paste is working perfectly fine here.
[10:33] <feisar> ok thanks, it may well be that the PEBKAC
[10:41] <oimon> did canonical move out of millbank?
[10:44] <popey> yes
[10:45] <popey> hence the party on sunday
[10:46] <Seeker`> morning
[10:51] <dogmatic69> I just setup a new rackspace 12.04 server and add-apt-repository command does not exist
[10:52] <dogmatic69> how can I add ppa's
[10:53] <directhex> wow. remember my agonizing about putting MonoGame in non-free or castrating it, last week?
[10:53] <directhex> or thereabouts. time seems to have gone weird for me
[10:54] <diplo> dogmatic69: Edit source.lst ?
[10:54] <popey> dogmatic69: install python-software-properties
[10:54] <popey> that contains add-apt-repository
[10:54] <directhex> https://github.com/dellis1972/MonoGame/commit/101caae21373bdd37e7cd91f58329f7224097c69
[10:54] <diplo> Or that :)
[10:54] <popey> is it a cut down install?
[10:54] <diplo> Not had to use any ppas on my server so hadn't tried :)
[10:55] <popey> directhex: is monogame 'popular' ?
[10:55] <directhex> popey: depends. is HIB5 popupar?
[10:56] <popey> i mean from a developer perspecive
[10:57] <directhex> reasonably. it's the lowest effort way to release a game on both xbox live and android or iphone
[10:57] <directhex> which are the big target markets, really
[10:57] <popey> gotcha
[10:58] <directhex> that or unity3d (no, not that one), which is apprently the #1 mobile game engine, more popular than in-house engines
[11:03] <popey> monogame is free, unity3d is payware isn't it?
[11:04] <directhex> iirc unity3d is free if you only want to emit windows or mac binaries
[11:04] <directhex> android and ios targets are payware
[11:05] <dogmatic69> popey: thanks, that did the trick
[11:05] <directhex> inxile is porting unity3d to linux, for wasteland 2... so with luck that should be free too
[11:05] <popey> nice
[11:06] <directhex> with luck, with monogame in wheezy/quetzal, it should massively lower the bar for linux game ports from indie devs
[11:07] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/650588
[11:07] <popey> does anyone else get this issue with tomboy?
[11:07] <popey> (I do on precise)
[11:07]  * popey tickles gord
[11:08] <directhex> i.e. any XNA game with an osx port should be able to get a port to Ubuntu almost "for free"
[11:08] <directhex> i.e. rebuild, test & tweak
[11:08] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[11:10] <bigcalm> I know people will sneer at this question for 2 reasons, but I still need to work out what needs altering. A very old PHP web app uses globals and works when accessed via HTTP. It does not, however, work when used with HTTPS. From my debugging it looks like register_globals is being ignored. Help? :)
[11:11] <directhex> i also would like a debian/ubuntu packaging addin for monodevelop - i.e. "build deb" button, "upload to ppa" button, a report which says "your package should install on the following distro releases", etc
[11:12] <gord> popey, never happened to me
[11:14] <bigcalm> AHA! register_globals *is* being ignored by HTTPS
[11:14] <bigcalm> :(
[11:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: you are being ignored by the channel if that helps ;)
[11:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: used to it. But your own comment is then false
[11:20]  * bigcalm hunts lunch
[11:21] <dogmatic69> what is the best practice on user accounts and sudo? add ALL=(ALL)ALL or add to root group
[11:30] <ali1234> i accidentally clicked update without deselecting bastion and now it's going to download 1GB of pointlessness
[11:30] <ali1234> at least it does it in parallel
[11:32] <directhex> popey: i also hope that easy availability on ubuntu should help encourage monogame development itself - it has a very active upstream, which is good, but some of the linux codepaths (e.g. for intel gpus) are largely untested
[12:03] <ali1234> directhex: HIB5 is very popular, i think it's already beaten all the others
[12:03] <directhex> ali1234: yeah, that was my point
[12:04] <ali1234> of course bastion isn't compatible with monogame upstream... so there's that
[12:08] <directhex> ali1234: true. should help in future though. and it'd be nice if the bastion porters were engaging actively with monogame upstream
[12:17] <knightwise> eeevenin
[12:17] <knightwise> afternoon i mean
[12:27] <oimon> hmmm
[12:27] <oimon> getting my mobile number ported but currently can join network but can't make or receive calls
[12:27] <oimon> is that normal?
[12:27] <andylockran> fairly I think
[12:28] <andylockran> dogmatic69: I normally add to adm group
[12:28] <knightwise> yep oimon it means they are switching over your number, you need to swap simcards
[12:28] <andylockran> otherwise you get all your daemon accounts with sudo privs
[12:28] <oimon> knightwise, i'm on the new sim already
[12:28] <knightwise> just slide in the one from your new phone provider
[12:29] <knightwise> ah , then all you need to do is to wait untill it becomes active
[12:29] <oimon> oh
[12:29] <oimon> ta
[12:29] <oimon> it does join the network already
[12:29] <dogmatic69> andylockran: the adm group provides sudo?
[12:30] <andylockran> dogmatic69: in your sudoers config you should see an %adm entry
[12:31] <dogmatic69> andylockran: ah, I have %admin and %sudo
[12:31] <andylockran> admin group then is the one you'll add to
[12:32] <dogmatic69> strange. there is no admin group
[12:33] <andylockran> cat /etc/group | grep admin ?
[12:34] <dogmatic69> lpadmin only
[12:34] <ali1234> what happened to the printer config window?
[12:37] <popey> ali1234:  you could have killed update manager before it finished downloading
[12:37] <ali1234> nope
[12:37] <popey> nope?
[12:37] <ali1234> nope.
[12:37] <popey> nope!
[12:37] <ali1234> NOEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[12:38] <popey> nope‽
[12:38] <ali1234> the problem is the "system settings" printer dialogue sucks
[12:38] <ali1234> and i need to be using system-config-printer
[12:38] <ali1234> which actually works
[12:38] <knightwise> popey: 12.04 runs pretty fast on a 4.2 gen macbok pro
[12:38] <knightwise> keyboard settings arent perfect but its workable
[12:42] <andylockran> I find the mouse hard to use in ubuntu on macbook
[12:42] <andylockran> it doesn't act quite the same as osx
[12:43] <knightwise> andylockran: the touchpad is pretty sensitive
[12:43] <knightwise> i use an external mouse m that helps
[12:45] <arsen> hm
[12:46] <arsen> using gconf-editor i cant change settings for gnome-terminal (/apps/gnome-terminal/default) - apparently all the keys are not writeable
[12:49] <davmor2> ali1234: you should of stuck to unity :P
[12:56] <knightwise> hmm
[12:59] <arsen> so 12.04 in a virtualbox isnt going well so far :/ maybe its me with nis breaking it
[13:00] <dogmatic69> is it possible to extract particular files from a tar.gz in terminal?
[13:00] <dogmatic69> or even remove files from a tar.gz in terminal
[13:07] <ormiret> dogmatic69: tar's --delete option will remove files from an archive.
[13:16] <ali1234> cups is now even worse :/
[13:16] <davmor2> dogmatic69: yes, yes it is
[13:16] <dogmatic69> davmor2: --delete is not working for me, complaining that the archive is bust
[13:17] <dogmatic69> tar: www.tar.gz: Cannot read: Bad file descriptor
[13:17] <dogmatic69> tar: At beginning of tape, quitting now
[13:17] <dogmatic69> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[13:18] <davmor2> dogmatic69: I'd say that was broken to be honest what happens if you just try to open the tar file
[13:18] <dogmatic69> davmor2: it is too big to extract everything hence wanting to clean it up
[13:18] <dogmatic69> the tar is 5 gigs :/
[13:19] <dogmatic69> server has 3 gigs available
[13:19] <davmor2> dogmatic69: my I suggest you are screwed
[13:19] <dogmatic69> yes, yes I am :/
[13:20] <dogmatic69> making a new one with out the extra files.
[13:20] <dogmatic69> good thing its server to server so 8mb/s download
[13:21] <davmor2> dogmatic69: http://www.apl.jhu.edu/Misc/Unix-info/tar/tar_32.html --delete seems to be the only way :(
[13:24] <dogmatic69> davmor2: I think the problem is that is .gz
[13:24] <dogmatic69> I think --delete works on .tar
[13:24] <dogmatic69> not .tar.gz
[13:26] <davmor2> dogmatic69: http://justlinux.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-99659.html -f or -t may be your friend check the last comment
[13:28] <dogmatic69> that is the exact post I got the error from
[13:37] <bubu\a> hi guys - anyone ever had to convert a windows pk12 root cert into .pem and install it as a trusted CA root cert?
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> bubu\a: openssl pkcs12 help
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> bubu\a: and the files in /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates :)
[13:48] <gord> bah, spotify adverts are the most annoying things in the world
[13:49] <bigcalm> gord: easy way to fix that
[13:50] <gord> really don't think the service is worth the money it costs though
[13:50] <bigcalm> gord: then the adverts are not that annoying :)
[13:50] <gord> annoy till you pay is a business model i don't wanna support either
[13:50] <gord> should just renew my last.fm subscription :)
[13:51] <gord> then maybe write a nicer looking client just to play it
[13:51] <davmor2> gord: or just use last.fm in rhythmbox where it is available for free still
[13:51] <popey> !register
[13:52] <gord> davmor2, sure, but rhythmbox is annoying me lately, not pretty to look at and it has this annoying clip on the title of any of your tracks
[13:53] <davmor2> gord: so you just close the window once it's playing and never look at it again ever :D
[13:53] <gord> pfft, then what is the point in having two monitors? one to do work on, one to show something pretty and play music!
[13:54] <ali1234> if you close the window it randomy stops playing for no reason
[14:49] <popey> gord: seen the new rhythmbox?
[14:50] <gord> popey, nope, got a ppa?
[14:50] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/rhythmbox
[14:51] <gord> ta
[14:53] <davmor2> popey: do you have an image of it?
[14:56] <popey> a screenshot?
[14:57] <davmor2> popey: if you have one yes please
[14:58] <popey> sure
[14:58] <davmor2> popey: as in if you happen to of installed it already any chance of an screenshot of it
[14:58] <popey> i dont have one, but can do
[14:58] <davmor2> thanks
[14:58] <gord> hum, its better
[14:59] <gord> be nicer if we had spotify like dark theming for this kind of stuff
[15:00] <czajkowski> Juju at your service webinar live now. http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/49171
[15:01] <popey> davmor2: http://ubuntuone.com/2SldvRBYlkZYtLDFHMWGld
[15:02] <gord> might also be better if it focused a bit more on looking pretty rather than looking like a spreadsheet
[15:03] <davmor2> popey: oh pretty that is a lot nicer than the current I like the inclusion of the album art by the player
[16:00] <czajkowski> popey: daft question time :/ on rhythmbox my artwork appears in the bottim lower left, how did you get yours on top ?
[16:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: it's a newer RB
[16:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's why I asked for an image
[16:04] <czajkowski> I'm all up to date
[16:04] <czajkowski> :/
[16:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: so you say, this is what being in Ireland does for you :P
[16:11] <gord> czajkowski, no, newer as in, not in ubuntu
[16:11] <gord> czajkowski, https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/rhythmbox
[16:25] <Azelphur> Can anyone tell me what the gnome display/monitors config tool is called?
[16:26] <Azelphur> I don't seem to have it for some reason :(
[16:26] <gord> Azelphur, gnome-control-center?
[16:27] <Azelphur> gord, it doesn't appear to be in there
[16:29] <gord> Azelphur, do you have a gnome-display-panel.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[16:31] <Azelphur> gord, yep
[16:31] <gord> Azelphur, then you have problems i can not solve
[16:31] <Azelphur> weird :p
[16:31] <Azelphur> on the bright side I found arandr which did the job nicely
[16:48] <dogmatic69> nothing better than "1287839940 bytes received in 59.46 secs (21149.9 kB/s)"
[16:51] <Azelphur> Length: 3998007296 (3.7G) [application/octet-stream]
[16:51] <Azelphur> Saving to: `debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso'
[16:51] <Azelphur> 11% [[16:51] <Azelphur> dogmatic69, sure there is ;)
[16:51] <dogmatic69> :/
[16:52] <dogmatic69> 2.1M faster
[16:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:52] <dogmatic69> Maybe mine was still warming up :)
[16:53] <Azelphur> anyone happen to know how to get on a ppa for the latest kernels?
[16:59] <dogmatic69> mysql importing a 1.2 gig file
[17:00] <dogmatic69> server has 250mb ram and swapping hard
[17:00] <dogmatic69> 400/500mb swap
[17:00] <dogmatic69> cherokee still dispatching web requests :D
[17:17] <Azelphur> dogmatic69, haha, this is a huge dedicated server in internap NYC with all the trimmings
[17:17] <Azelphur> tier 1 1gbit/sec
[17:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: Welcome to the sgs3 suffering camp
[17:18] <Azelphur> suffering?
[17:18] <Azelphur> your talking about a galaxy s3?
[17:19] <davmor2> Azelphur: Want one can't have one cause contract isn't quite there yet
[17:19] <Azelphur> haha
[17:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: You can mock the afflicted but there are more of us than there is of you ;)
[17:21] <Azelphur> xD
[17:21] <Azelphur> I still have my HTC Desire Z
[17:21] <Azelphur> won't buy nothing without a physical keyboard :)
[17:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: I'm on an Motorola Milestone
[17:22] <davmor2> Azelphur: the screen on the s3 is big enough for me to not have issues typing on which is the only reason why I'm looking at it
[17:23] <Azelphur> hehe, I like emulators and stuff on my phone, plus typing is much faster on a physical keyboard no matter how good the touch screen is
[17:26] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: mine is a tiny 256mb rackspace server in london
[17:26] <Azelphur> :)
[17:27] <dogmatic69> connecting to so other server that must be in london too.
[17:27] <dogmatic69> normal dl like wget foobar is 10mb/s
[17:27] <dogmatic69> or 8ish
[17:32] <Azelphur> :)
[17:32] <Azelphur> does anyone know if there is a PPA to put me on the latest kernel builds
[18:58] <aquarius> popey, ping?
[18:58] <popey> aquarius: pong
[18:59] <aquarius> popey, if someone's got ubuntu in a vmware fusion vm on a macbook, and they'd like rhythmbox in Ubuntu to be able to see the music in iTunes on the mac via daap sharing, is that doable?
[18:59] <aquarius> popey, it doesn't work out of the box, but I don't really understand how fusion does networking
[19:00] <popey> yeah, should be do-able
[19:00] <popey> i dont know vmware so dunno how, but there must be some kind of "bridged" network
[19:00] <popey> rather than "NAT"
[19:00] <aquarius> aha, bridge, that sounds like a usefully magic word to google for ;)
[19:01] <popey> http://www.vmware.com/support/ws4/doc/network_bridged_ws.html looks plausible
[19:01] <aquarius> does zeroconf magicness work over a bridged network??
[19:01] <aquarius> this stuff is all a deep mystery to me ;-)
[19:02] <aquarius> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1003814 seems relevat, I think
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> bridge, it should
[19:05] <popey> aquarius: its not that it needs bridged network
[19:05] <popey> its that the two devices need to be on the 'same' network
[19:05] <popey> avahi/zeroconf/bonjour _only_ work on one network
[19:05] <popey> they don't traverse networks
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> and a bridge is like a switch/hub
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: s/network/broadcast domain/ for more precise definition :)
[19:06] <popey> and a vm usually has a different IP address range (like 10.0.0.2) by default, so on a different network
[19:06] <popey> yeah, terminology fail
[19:09] <aquarius> bah, just tried turning on bridge networking and it didn't work
[19:09] <AlanBell> I will try it with virtualbox in a sec, just downloaded a quantal iso
[19:09] <AlanBell> aquarius: wired or wireless?
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: can you see broadcasts from the vm in the lan?
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: then bonjour should work..
[19:10] <AlanBell> wireless bridging used to be problematic as wifi routers got upset with devices wanting multiple IP addresses
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: especially if they're on the same IP ranges, etc.
[19:10] <aquarius> AlanBell, um, it's wireless, but I just want to zeroconf talk to the host machine
[19:10] <aquarius> so not over the actual network at all
[19:10] <AlanBell> aquarius: sure, but did both get an IP address from the wireless router?
[19:10] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, I have no idea how to answer that question :)
[19:10] <aquarius> AlanBell, er, dunno, will find out
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: (a) are all machines (virtual and physical) in the same IP network
[19:11] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, I shall ask him to find out what the IP of the ubuntu vm is :)
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: (b) if you run tshark (or whatever other sniffer) on one of the machines, can you see broadcast packets sent by the others
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: if both are "yes" and it still doesn't work... that would be very weird
[19:11]  * AlanBell installs quantal
[19:14]  * AlanBell must fix that loopy "replace windows with Ubuntu" string in ubiquity
[19:16]  * AlanBell bzr branches ubiquity
[19:17] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, they are both on the same subnet
[19:17] <popey> and itunes is running?
[19:17] <directhex> anyone have a use for a third off at http://www.logitech.com/349/7300 ?
[19:18]  * popey bets Azelphur would directhex  or maybe even ali1234 
[19:19] <aquarius> popey, yep
[19:19] <popey> interesting
[19:19] <aquarius> popey, and itunes on this mac can see a shared library from the mac mini on the same network
[19:19] <popey> i can't see the macs on my network either at the moment
[19:19] <aquarius> but ubuntu can't see either
[19:19] <aquarius> (in rhythmbox)
[19:20]  * popey goes to check a mac is on
[19:22] <popey> it was not
[19:22] <popey> sommat wrong here, i cant see the mac
[19:22] <popey> oh, different networks
[19:23] <popey> yup works
[19:23] <popey> now they are on the same LAN ☺
[19:24]  * AlanBell has installed quantal
[19:24] <popey> aquarius: enabled the daap plugin?
[19:24] <aquarius> popey, yep, I tried that
[19:24] <popey> and they both deffo have the same IP range?
[19:25] <AlanBell> tried manually connecting to the DAAP share with the rhythmbox menu option?
[19:25] <popey> are you sat at it or is this remote hands you're proxying?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> Isn't newer iTunes "protected" by apple?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> so it's not usable by free software
[19:25] <popey> doesnt look like it
[19:26] <popey> i can see it here in RB
[19:26] <AlanBell> no, it is an open protocol MartijnVdS
[19:26] <popey> oh hang on
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> It used to work, but it broke in iTunes 8 or 9
[19:26] <popey> "Could not connect to shared music"
[19:26] <popey> when i actually click on it
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> With iTunes 7.0, a new 'Client-DAAP-Validation' header hash is needed when connecting to an iTunes 7.0 server. This does not affect third-party DAAP servers, but all current DAAP clients (including official iTunes before iTunes 7.0) will fail to connect to an iTunes 7.0 server, receiving a '403 Forbidden' HTTP error. The iTunes 7.0 authentication traffic analysis seem to indicate that a certificate exchange is performed to calculate the hash s
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> As of June 2010, the iTunes 7.0 DAAP authentication still hasn't been reverse engineered, so no third-party application can stream from iTunes 7.x, 8.x, 9.x or 10.x servers
[19:27] <AlanBell> ooh, that isn't so good
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> my NAS has a built in "itunes" server that works
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> but that's not an official APple one
[19:32] <aquarius> popey, they have the same, ya -- 192.168.1.70 is the mac, .1.71 is the ubutnu vm
[19:32] <aquarius> popey, it's remote hands being proxied ;)
[19:32] <aquarius> popey, I can't even see it
[19:32] <datadave> newbie to ubuntu here in manchester...
[19:32] <aquarius> popey, (can't even see the share, I mean)
[19:35] <AlanBell> in ubiquity there is a really annoying lable, the definition of it is
[19:35] <AlanBell>                             <property name="label" translatable="yes">Replace Windows with Ubuntu</property>
[19:36] <popey> hi datadave
[19:36] <datadave> hey
[19:36] <popey> AlanBell: why is that annoying?
[19:36] <AlanBell> it is utterly wrong as I never use windows and it is the lable for replacing the previous operating system with Ubuntu - not just windows
[19:37] <AlanBell> orca reads it, but it isn't displayed on screen
[19:37] <popey> hah
[19:37] <datadave> i dont know where to start
[19:37] <popey> datadave: welcome to our world ☺
[19:37] <AlanBell> o/ datadave
[19:37] <datadave> im liking it so far
[19:38] <popey> thats a good start
[19:38] <datadave> i have it installed on dell latitude d600
[19:38] <datadave> not sure what i want to do with it
[19:40] <popey> datadave: who will own the laptop? you?
[19:40] <datadave> me
[19:41] <datadave> i have used transmission, browsed the web, thats about it
[19:41] <popey> winner ☺
[19:46] <daubers> evening
[19:47] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/ubiquity/fix1010179/+merge/109224 lets see what happens with that
[19:48] <Azelphur> popey / directhex  haha nice, unfortunately I already have it all :(
[21:03]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if popey has put his suitcases away yet?
[21:04] <DJones> i wish manufacturers wouldn't require you to connect a device to a windows machine to register and authenticate it
[21:18] <dogmatic69> DJones: everyone has windows...
[21:19] <dogmatic69> try using a new iPhone when you are not interested in mac, or windows :/
[21:29] <shauno> they don't actually require that anymore
[21:39] <gord> i just can't get it out of my head that windows 8's theming just looks like that horrible default theme gtk uses when gnome-settings-daemon dies
[23:31] <dogmatic69> is there a safe easy way to remove encrypted home dir?
[23:31] <dogmatic69> just want it normal :/