[05:53] <r3d64r> good evening!
[06:02] <philipballew_> r3d64r, good evening!!!
[06:09] <r3d64r> I have a question for you
[06:10] <r3d64r> do you have any familiarity wtih MAAS?
[06:11] <pleia2> I did some user testing before release, but haven't touched it since
[06:13] <r3d64r> I am trying figure out if MAAS would be able to scale up to support 250k users
[06:15] <pleia2> 250k administrators?
[06:16] <r3d64r> no, we need a solution that can support 250k+ users
[06:16] <pleia2> MAAS itself really just manages the allocation and management of the physical resources, presumably of which you'd have a handful of actual sysadmins managing
[06:17] <pleia2> what you do once the servers are deployed user-wise is a bit beyond that
[06:17] <pleia2> what are the users actually "using" in your question?
[06:18] <r3d64r> we would need an authentication for user accounts
[06:18] <r3d64r> and the rest is going to be used for secure file transfers
[06:19] <pleia2> so you're deploying servers using openldap and fileservers?
[06:19] <pleia2> s/using/running
[06:19] <pleia2> what you put on the servers isn't really part of MAAS, the user accounts in MAAS are for administrators who are doing the server deployments
[06:20] <r3d64r> we have it setup in 10.04 at the moment, be our concern is how to scale it
[06:20] <r3d64r> mostly php, apache and mysql
[06:21] <r3d64r> for the most part I need those things to be able to scale up as needed
[06:22] <philipballew_> juju can do that cant it?
[06:23] <r3d64r> I am hoping that is the case, but I have yet to find someone that can confirm that
[06:23] <pleia2> yeah, once you have the physical server provisioned you can use juju to actually deploy the custom services
[06:23] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS is very helpful :)
[06:24] <pleia2> it's a whole walkthrough goes on to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS/AddNodes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS/Juju
[06:25] <r3d64r> I have tried their tutorials, but still running some test on vm's and actually seeing it live are two different things
[06:25] <philipballew_> #juju can help as well usually as well as askubuntu.com for juju questions often as well
[06:26] <pleia2> this walkthrough confirms that you can use juju with maas
[06:26] <pleia2> both are quite new technologies though, I don't know if anyone is using them in a big enterprise environment yet
[06:28] <r3d64r> yeah I still do not completely understand juju, but it looks awesome - reminds me of how mainframes process jobs
[06:28] <pleia2> at the core they're really just scripts that do "apt-get install && some configuration stuff" and manage relationships between services (wordpress needs mysql, for instance)
[06:29] <philipballew_> you can look at the charms themselves
[06:29]  * philipballew_ grabs link
[06:29] <philipballew_> http://jujucharms.com/
[06:30] <r3d64r> question - so if for example I have a node and install mysql, can I  then install mysql on another node and have them work as a distributed set?
[06:31] <pleia2> yeah, you can establish a relationship between the two
[06:32] <r3d64r> see that is what I need to test to verify that these is in fact true
[06:33] <philipballew_> make sure to use 12.04 and not 10.04 for juju
[06:33] <r3d64r> because this would solve most of our scalability problems
[06:33] <philipballew_> well its what they recommend
[06:33] <philipballew_> iirc
[06:33] <pleia2> I'd toss up a test environment and see how the relationships work
[06:33] <pleia2> and if they fit your needs
[06:34] <pleia2> and I should go to bed :)
[06:34] <r3d64r> hahaha!
[06:34] <r3d64r> sleep is over rated! u needs more coffee!
[06:34] <pleia2> lol
[06:34] <pleia2> nooo, I have to work in the morning
[06:34] <r3d64r> so do I!
[06:35] <r3d64r> goodnight! and btw thansk allot for the information
[06:37] <pleia2> sure, good luck :)
[06:38] <philipballew_> Have a good time!