| rick_h | snap-l: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/684/ | 00:36 |
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| widox | rick_h: http://vimium.github.com/ | 01:02 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Thank you. | 01:06 |
| rick_h | snap-l: np | 01:08 |
| derekv | yea, mistakes i've made ... one is not taking everything cool ive ever gotten to work and making it a script and stashing it somewhere | 02:43 |
| shakes808 | Good morning | 11:52 |
| rick_h | morn | 11:53 |
| MaskedDriver | morning | 11:53 |
| rick_h | man is it nice out, I want to play hookie like no other today | 12:47 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 12:57 |
| snap-l | Yeah, no kidding | 12:57 |
| snap-l | getting a late start today. | 12:57 |
| jjesse | monring | 12:57 |
| snap-l | Python: The languge of consenting adults | 13:02 |
| snap-l | I think that's the QoTD | 13:02 |
| rick_h | that's a good day | 13:03 |
| snap-l | Wondering what the catch-phrases of other languages would be. | 13:04 |
| snap-l | Java: Don't touch that | 13:04 |
| MaskedDriver | PHP: Be gentle... it's our first time. | 13:05 |
| rick_h | http://lab.cubiq.org/css3mad/ kind of cool | 13:05 |
| snap-l | Perl: Even we don't remember the safe word | 13:05 |
| snap-l | rick_h: That is pretty sweer | 13:05 |
| snap-l | sweet, even | 13:05 |
| rick_h | https://twitter.com/cubiq/status/210659800550354945 | 13:06 |
| MaskedDriver | 5035 lines of CSS | 13:08 |
| MaskedDriver | or 700 lines of js | 13:09 |
| snap-l | “@freerobby: on the bright side, we finally have an answer to the question, “what won’t LinkedIn send me an email about?”” | 13:12 |
| shakes808 | What is going on with the cubiq.org site? In IE it is all over the place. I am assuming that is the point? Fine in Chrome. | 13:38 |
| brousch | I had an Ubuntu miracle last night | 13:43 |
| brousch | I took the SSD with Kubuntu 12.04 64bit installed out of my 6 year old Dell D630 laptop and put it into my 3 year old MBP and it booted and ran fine | 13:45 |
| brousch | Just had to install some wifi drivers and it was perfect | 13:45 |
| rick_h | nice | 13:46 |
| MaskedDriver | brousch: so you're one of THOSE people | 13:46 |
| MaskedDriver | *Kubuntu* | 13:47 |
| brousch | Hell yes | 13:50 |
| brousch | Unity and I don't agree on how things should work. Kubuntu lets me set it up how I want it | 13:50 |
| brousch | But I was amazed that I could move the whole drive into such a different laptop and it would just work | 13:51 |
| brousch | Now I need a big sticker to cover the glowing apple | 13:52 |
| rick_h | upgrading the wife's machine from 10.04 to 12.04...this shold be fun | 14:00 |
| brousch | I thought she was on Windows | 14:01 |
| rick_h | her laptop is dual boot | 14:01 |
| rick_h | windows is just for work | 14:01 |
| brousch | ah | 14:03 |
| MaskedDriver | that's a huge upgrade | 14:03 |
| MaskedDriver | I did an upgrade from 11.04 to 12.04 with little problem | 14:03 |
| rick_h | reinstall really | 14:03 |
| MaskedDriver | ah | 14:03 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'm going to reinstall my machine from 11.04 to 12.04 | 14:08 |
| snap-l | just have to find a spare drive to install to | 14:08 |
| snap-l | and by spare, I mean purchase. | 14:08 |
| brousch | I'm all 10.04 servers and 12.04 desktops/laptops now | 14:09 |
| brousch | rick_h: You hear from PyOhio about your talk yet? | 14:10 |
| MaskedDriver | I use CentOS for my server infrastructure | 14:14 |
| brousch | Why do you hate yourself? | 14:15 |
| MaskedDriver | elaborate? | 14:15 |
| MaskedDriver | I had Ubuntu as servers for awhile but I ran into trouble during upgrades quite a bit. Switched to CentOS and all my problems went away | 14:16 |
| brousch | Why would you upgrade servers? | 14:17 |
| brousch | Servers are meant to sit there and run the same way forever | 14:17 |
| MaskedDriver | seems like a very insecure philosophy | 14:18 |
| brousch | Those are just security updates | 14:18 |
| MaskedDriver | probably wat happened to linkedin | 14:18 |
| rick_h | brousch: no, I think new talks just closed this week right? | 14:18 |
| rick_h | I'm assuming it's accepted and figure I'll start July1 and spend the month working on it | 14:19 |
| MaskedDriver | s/upgrades/updates | 14:19 |
| MaskedDriver | I see what you're saying now | 14:19 |
| MaskedDriver | *shrugs* just always had issues with any debian server build I've had | 14:20 |
| MaskedDriver | might just be me.. idk.. CentOS works the best for me | 14:20 |
| rick_h | *cough* ubuntu *cough* | 14:20 |
| MaskedDriver | ubuntu on the desktops/laptops (except my gaming rig, obviously) | 14:21 |
| MaskedDriver | use what works for you. That's my philosophy | 14:22 |
| MaskedDriver | I'm not diehard anything... except diehard anti-iDevice | 14:22 |
| snap-l | If Apple keeps stopping devices from being shipped, I'm going to be very anti-Apple | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Getting tired of patent wars | 14:23 |
| MaskedDriver | they're scared | 14:23 |
| devinheitmueller | I'm waiting for one of the Android vendors to successfully block the iPhone from being imported. | 14:23 |
| MaskedDriver | more Android devices are getting shipped with stuff that is better than what they can do. And that scares them | 14:24 |
| brousch | devinheitmueller: Didn't they get the iPad blocked somewhere? | 14:24 |
| devinheitmueller | I think the injunction got waived. | 14:24 |
| MaskedDriver | China and I don't think it has anything to do with Android | 14:25 |
| MaskedDriver | http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/12/07/ipad-sales-trademark/ | 14:25 |
| MaskedDriver | oh wait... Germany by Motorola | 14:26 |
| MaskedDriver | but it didn't work | 14:27 |
| MaskedDriver | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-57319082-248/can-motorola-now-block-iphone-ipad-sales-in-germany-nope/ | 14:27 |
| devinheitmueller | If Apple can patent the damn rectangle, you would think those other vendors with hundreds of patents in RF technology would find *something* to block the iPhone on. | 14:27 |
| MaskedDriver | yeah | 14:28 |
| MaskedDriver | but they're not stupid sue-crazy like Apple | 14:28 |
| MaskedDriver | they're turning into another Monster | 14:28 |
| brousch | Heh, yeah, that's where I want to run my Linux servers http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/06/06/2150202/microsoft-to-run-linux-on-azure | 14:48 |
| snap-l | Wow, didn't know Rick Copeland also left Sourceforge | 15:51 |
| snap-l | http://blog.pythonisito.com/2012/06/python-and-mongodb-training-classes.html | 15:52 |
| snap-l | I think Dave Brondsema is the only python developer I know there. | 15:52 |
| snap-l | God bless the internet: http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/index.php | 16:51 |
| shakes808 | lol WTH | 16:53 |
| greg-g | snap-l: this was one of my profs in grad school: http://ylime.people.si.umich.edu/mySquirrels.html | 17:05 |
| greg-g | also, there is a whole club at U-M (started by a classmate of mine, heh): http://www.michigansquirrels.com/ | 17:06 |
| snap-l | That's nuts | 17:26 |
| * brousch groans | 17:27 | |
| brousch | I need to search a file for a string and replace every occurance of it | 17:30 |
| brousch | sed? | 17:31 |
| jrwren | haha... that's nuts, hahhaha i see what you did there. | 17:32 |
| jrwren | pep8 is too strict | 17:33 |
| snap-l | jrwren: line length? | 17:33 |
| jrwren | i'm very non pep8 wiht shitspace after ( before ) same wiht [] and comma. | 17:34 |
| jrwren | linelength is fine. I like 80cal | 17:34 |
| jrwren | *80col | 17:34 |
| rick_h | jrwren: wrong! | 17:42 |
| rick_h | :) | 17:42 |
| jrwren | I just installed pep8.vim and my fix-it experience is much nicer now | 17:43 |
| jrwren | but 80+ issues is a lot | 17:43 |
| rick_h | yea, need to have editor integration to mkeep at it until you're trained | 17:43 |
| jrwren | what do you use? | 17:43 |
| rick_h | jrwren: not really, the only issue is long error strings/etc | 17:43 |
| jrwren | I'd prefer red squiggles. | 17:43 |
| rick_h | I'm trying out syntastic with flake8 | 17:44 |
| rick_h | I used to just use ,M mapped to pep8 % | 17:44 |
| jrwren | i've been doing syntastic with pyflakes | 17:44 |
| rick_h | yea, pyflakes doesn't cover pep8, flake8 is supposed to combine both | 17:44 |
| jrwren | maybe i should try flake8 | 17:44 |
| rick_h | but it's a bit fugly | 17:44 |
| rick_h | jrwren: but I do run extra jenkins builds that run pep8/pylint and the violations plugin so I can track errors/issues | 17:48 |
| jrwren | pypi slow for anyone? | 17:53 |
| rick_h | can't tell, whole network is slow due to wife U1 syncing | 17:53 |
| rick_h | you pulling packages or just using the website? | 17:53 |
| rick_h | if pulling packages, setup mirrors in your config ot drop crate.io since it's s3 based | 17:54 |
| jrwren | pulling packages. | 17:55 |
| jrwren | drop crate.io ? | 17:55 |
| jrwren | must have been issue here. its fine now | 17:55 |
| rick_h | sorry, typing faster than it's displaying | 17:55 |
| rick_h | crate.io is a pypi service thing that hsots packages you can fetch from | 17:55 |
| rick_h | it's backed by s3 for serving the files, so pretty quick | 17:55 |
| jrwren | i'll check it out, thanks. | 17:56 |
| rick_h | http://jacobian.org/writing/when-pypi-goes-down/ | 17:56 |
| rick_h | % cat ~/.pip/pip.conf (rharding@toraken:..as/branches/trunk/) | 17:57 |
| rick_h | [global] | 17:57 |
| rick_h | index-url = http://simple.crate.io/ | 17:57 |
| rick_h | jrwren: also check out: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pep381client | 17:59 |
| jrwren | ty | 18:02 |
| brousch | Ah, that was fun. Sed isn't so bad | 18:19 |
| rick_h | sed ftw | 18:21 |
| rick_h | or just vim | 18:21 |
| brousch | I had about 40 files in various depths of folder hierarchy | 18:21 |
| rick_h | yea, sed to the rescue then | 18:22 |
| brousch | Tricky part was that it wouldn't let me change in place. I had to copy the file and output to a different file | 18:22 |
| rick_h | grrr, U1 is irritating me. | 18:26 |
| brousch | LAN Sync FTW | 18:27 |
| brousch | Anything less is uncivilized | 18:27 |
| snap-l | rick_h: It's probably the slowest way to sync two machines | 18:30 |
| snap-l | hands down | 18:30 |
| rick_h | meh, just trying to set her up with something that backs up | 18:31 |
| rick_h | dogfood a little I guess | 18:31 |
| rick_h | and it's built in vs setting up dropbox for her, she doesn't know the diff really | 18:31 |
| snap-l | It's gotten a little better in 12.04, but it's still not magic like Dropbox | 18:32 |
| rick_h | yea, her expectations are lower, which is sad...but oh well | 18:32 |
| * rick_h goes on a U1 bug submission frenzy | 18:34 | |
| snap-l | just hang out in #ubuntuone and bitch there | 18:34 |
| greg-g | rick_h: nice | 18:35 |
| rick_h | this is kind of retarded, I mean really. So log into the website, hit the big files button, and 2/3 of my screen is crap on the bottom for ToS, Developer, About Us, etc | 18:36 |
| greg-g | :) oh legal | 18:36 |
| rick_h | yea, well just lists and lists of menus that takes up 4px my actual list of folders/files | 18:37 |
| rick_h | at least collapse it | 18:37 |
| rick_h | seriously... ok so tell me which project to file "sharing email is useless" under? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/+filebug | 18:39 |
| brousch | rick_h: Heh, that's the problem I have submitted half of my bugs to Ubuntu. What do I file it against? | 18:40 |
| brousch | Also, my tense not so good | 18:40 |
| greg-g | hilarious, that filebug page is worthless | 18:42 |
| brousch | Another password leak? http://www.last.fm/passwordsecurity | 18:42 |
| greg-g | way to hate your users, U1 | 18:42 |
| greg-g | brousch: yep | 18:42 |
| MaskedDriver | oh ffs | 18:42 |
| greg-g | brousch: just go ahead and update ALL your passwords everywhere every month, like god himself does. | 18:43 |
| MaskedDriver | weekly | 18:43 |
| MaskedDriver | cause it appears a new leak happens hourly | 18:43 |
| brousch | But I don't even login to linkedin or last.fm every month! | 18:43 |
| MaskedDriver | so every 15 minutes, you must change your passwords across the board | 18:43 |
| greg-g | brousch: but if you don't change your password, the service will log you out. | 18:43 |
| greg-g | er, wow, brain weirdness there, that's not what I meant to say. | 18:44 |
| * greg-g goes to get something to drink | 18:44 | |
| brousch | I have a couple of sites where I don't even bother with remembering a password. I login so infrequently that I just request a password reset every time I go there | 18:45 |
| greg-g | hah | 18:45 |
| rick_h | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375566 *sigh* I feel better now | 18:48 |
| greg-g | rick_h: wow, over 3 years old | 18:50 |
| rick_h | greg-g: yea :/ and it's not like it's an "ignore me" issue | 18:51 |
| greg-g | yeah, ugh | 18:51 |
| rick_h | oh well, two news bugs and one affects me, a good day's work reporting crap that'll never get fixed. | 18:56 |
| brousch | Geez, I think I hit that email bug back when jjesse and I tried U1 at WMLUG when it first came out | 18:57 |
| jjesse | ? | 18:57 |
| jjesse | wow | 18:58 |
| brousch | I remember you never got the share email | 18:58 |
| brousch | But a few days later it worked | 18:58 |
| rick_h | I did get the email in this case, but it's retarded and doesn't mention activating the share at all | 18:58 |
| rick_h | and there's no UI that says I've got pending shares to accept/etc in the clietn or the webui | 18:59 |
| rick_h | so it really is a black hole of sharing fail | 18:59 |
| brousch | rick_h: Try rebooting the U1 servers | 19:00 |
| brousch | All of them | 19:00 |
| rick_h | hah | 19:00 |
| rick_h | let me get those logins | 19:00 |
| greg-g | just use your magic number generator button! | 19:01 |
| rick_h | 872838 | 19:02 |
| rick_h | *access denied* | 19:02 |
| rick_h | damn! | 19:02 |
| greg-g | worth a shot | 19:02 |
| brousch | OK, I actually snorted at that one | 19:02 |
| rick_h | is it friday yet? I'm toast | 19:02 |
| brousch | There's a little booger on my alt key now | 19:02 |
| jrwren | i'm evaluating solutions, anyone know what ubuntu cloud server's competition is? | 19:26 |
| brousch | Azure? | 19:27 |
| jrwren | lol, no | 19:33 |
| brousch | Oracle is building the bestest cloud evar | 19:37 |
| brousch | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405454,00.asp | 19:38 |
| jrwren | no | 19:43 |
| brousch | You're so picky | 19:44 |
| rick_h | jrwren: you have to define cloud to find the compitition | 19:45 |
| jrwren | "ubuntu cloud server" isn't that a definition? | 19:47 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's like asking what's the best shoes out there? | 19:47 |
| brousch | Crocks | 19:48 |
| snap-l | brousch: I hope a crocs truck explodes on your front lawn | 19:48 |
| brousch | I have a pair of crocs | 19:49 |
| jrwren | is Crocks a cloud software thing? | 19:49 |
| brousch | I will wear them for your enjoyment | 19:49 |
| jrwren | i googled and got crocs. | 19:49 |
| snap-l | That's it's own punishment | 19:49 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's just that brousch not only has incredibly bad taste in footwear, but also can 't spell it either | 19:50 |
| brousch | Speling ees ovarated | 19:51 |
| snap-l | oviosly | 19:52 |
| jrwren | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.eggproxy nom nom | 19:59 |
| snap-l | This is how you do a password breach: http://www.last.fm/passwordsecurity | 20:00 |
| MaskedDriver | snap-l: you'er about 2 hours behind. brousch already linked to that ;) | 20:02 |
| brousch | Yeah, you need to upgrade your Internets | 20:02 |
| snap-l | That means I have to stop ignoring brousch | 20:04 |
| snap-l | too hard | 20:04 |
| brousch | Ah ha! | 20:05 |
| jrwren | bookie just let me add a dup. https://bmark.us/jrwren/recent | 20:59 |
| jrwren | pylint is stupid. | 21:21 |
| jrwren | i don't care about docstrings on my unittest classes and methods. | 21:22 |
| snap-l | O'reilly now will sync with dropbox | 21:25 |
| jrwren | pylint W0141 wtf | 21:32 |
| rick_h | jrwren: well you do want that though because the test runner will use that for output to help on failing tests | 21:38 |
| rick_h | jrwren: it's not unusual to have different classes with similiar commented test methods, etc | 21:39 |
| rick_h | jrwren: thanks for the heads up, issue added: https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/issues/156 | 21:40 |
| jrwren | is there a way i can get python library docs as manpages? | 21:45 |
| jrwren | i do for php and perl ahs perldoc. | 21:45 |
| rick_h | I use a plugin called pydoc I think that loads python docs in vim splits | 21:46 |
| rick_h | jrwren: you can also use your repl bpython/ipython | 21:46 |
| rick_h | import os; help(os) | 21:46 |
| rick_h | will output the docs for os module | 21:47 |
| jrwren | ah, maybe that is waht I want. | 21:47 |
| jrwren | just need to get better at using it. | 21:47 |
| rick_h | yea, help and dir I use a ton in repl and pdb for things while debugging/dev | 21:47 |
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