[00:36] snap-l: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/684/ [01:02] rick_h: http://vimium.github.com/ [01:06] rick_h: Thank you. [01:08] snap-l: np [02:43] yea, mistakes i've made ... one is not taking everything cool ive ever gotten to work and making it a script and stashing it somewhere [11:52] Good morning [11:53] morn [11:53] morning [12:47] man is it nice out, I want to play hookie like no other today [12:57] Good morning [12:57] Yeah, no kidding [12:57] getting a late start today. [12:57] monring [13:02] Python: The languge of consenting adults [13:02] I think that's the QoTD [13:03] that's a good day [13:04] Wondering what the catch-phrases of other languages would be. [13:04] Java: Don't touch that [13:05] PHP: Be gentle... it's our first time. [13:05] http://lab.cubiq.org/css3mad/ kind of cool [13:05] Perl: Even we don't remember the safe word [13:05] rick_h: That is pretty sweer [13:05] sweet, even [13:06] https://twitter.com/cubiq/status/210659800550354945 [13:08] 5035 lines of CSS [13:09] or 700 lines of js [13:12] “@freerobby: on the bright side, we finally have an answer to the question, “what won’t LinkedIn send me an email about?”” [13:38] What is going on with the cubiq.org site? In IE it is all over the place. I am assuming that is the point? Fine in Chrome. [13:43] I had an Ubuntu miracle last night [13:45] I took the SSD with Kubuntu 12.04 64bit installed out of my 6 year old Dell D630 laptop and put it into my 3 year old MBP and it booted and ran fine [13:45] Just had to install some wifi drivers and it was perfect [13:46] nice [13:46] brousch: so you're one of THOSE people [13:47] *Kubuntu* [13:50] Hell yes [13:50] Unity and I don't agree on how things should work. Kubuntu lets me set it up how I want it [13:51] But I was amazed that I could move the whole drive into such a different laptop and it would just work [13:52] Now I need a big sticker to cover the glowing apple [14:00] upgrading the wife's machine from 10.04 to 12.04...this shold be fun [14:01] I thought she was on Windows [14:01] her laptop is dual boot [14:01] windows is just for work [14:03] ah [14:03] that's a huge upgrade [14:03] I did an upgrade from 11.04 to 12.04 with little problem [14:03] reinstall really [14:03] ah [14:08] Yeah, I'm going to reinstall my machine from 11.04 to 12.04 [14:08] just have to find a spare drive to install to [14:08] and by spare, I mean purchase. [14:09] I'm all 10.04 servers and 12.04 desktops/laptops now [14:10] rick_h: You hear from PyOhio about your talk yet? [14:14] I use CentOS for my server infrastructure [14:15] Why do you hate yourself? [14:15] elaborate? [14:16] I had Ubuntu as servers for awhile but I ran into trouble during upgrades quite a bit. Switched to CentOS and all my problems went away [14:17] Why would you upgrade servers? [14:17] Servers are meant to sit there and run the same way forever [14:18] seems like a very insecure philosophy [14:18] Those are just security updates [14:18] probably wat happened to linkedin [14:18] brousch: no, I think new talks just closed this week right? [14:19] I'm assuming it's accepted and figure I'll start July1 and spend the month working on it [14:19] s/upgrades/updates [14:19] I see what you're saying now [14:20] *shrugs* just always had issues with any debian server build I've had [14:20] might just be me.. idk.. CentOS works the best for me [14:20] *cough* ubuntu *cough* [14:21] ubuntu on the desktops/laptops (except my gaming rig, obviously) [14:22] use what works for you. That's my philosophy [14:22] I'm not diehard anything... except diehard anti-iDevice [14:23] If Apple keeps stopping devices from being shipped, I'm going to be very anti-Apple [14:23] Getting tired of patent wars [14:23] they're scared [14:23] I'm waiting for one of the Android vendors to successfully block the iPhone from being imported. [14:24] more Android devices are getting shipped with stuff that is better than what they can do. And that scares them [14:24] devinheitmueller: Didn't they get the iPad blocked somewhere? [14:24] I think the injunction got waived. [14:25] China and I don't think it has anything to do with Android [14:25] http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/12/07/ipad-sales-trademark/ [14:26] oh wait... Germany by Motorola [14:27] but it didn't work [14:27] http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-57319082-248/can-motorola-now-block-iphone-ipad-sales-in-germany-nope/ [14:27] If Apple can patent the damn rectangle, you would think those other vendors with hundreds of patents in RF technology would find *something* to block the iPhone on. [14:28] yeah [14:28] but they're not stupid sue-crazy like Apple [14:28] they're turning into another Monster [14:48] Heh, yeah, that's where I want to run my Linux servers http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/06/06/2150202/microsoft-to-run-linux-on-azure [15:51] Wow, didn't know Rick Copeland also left Sourceforge [15:52] http://blog.pythonisito.com/2012/06/python-and-mongodb-training-classes.html [15:52] I think Dave Brondsema is the only python developer I know there. [16:51] God bless the internet: http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/index.php [16:53] lol WTH [17:05] snap-l: this was one of my profs in grad school: http://ylime.people.si.umich.edu/mySquirrels.html [17:06] also, there is a whole club at U-M (started by a classmate of mine, heh): http://www.michigansquirrels.com/ [17:26] That's nuts [17:27] * brousch groans [17:30] I need to search a file for a string and replace every occurance of it [17:31] sed? [17:32] haha... that's nuts, hahhaha i see what you did there. [17:33] pep8 is too strict [17:33] jrwren: line length? [17:34] i'm very non pep8 wiht shitspace after ( before ) same wiht [] and comma. [17:34] linelength is fine. I like 80cal [17:34] *80col [17:42] jrwren: wrong! [17:42] :) [17:43] I just installed pep8.vim and my fix-it experience is much nicer now [17:43] but 80+ issues is a lot [17:43] yea, need to have editor integration to mkeep at it until you're trained [17:43] what do you use? [17:43] jrwren: not really, the only issue is long error strings/etc [17:43] I'd prefer red squiggles. [17:44] I'm trying out syntastic with flake8 [17:44] I used to just use ,M mapped to pep8 % [17:44] i've been doing syntastic with pyflakes [17:44] yea, pyflakes doesn't cover pep8, flake8 is supposed to combine both [17:44] maybe i should try flake8 [17:44] but it's a bit fugly [17:48] jrwren: but I do run extra jenkins builds that run pep8/pylint and the violations plugin so I can track errors/issues [17:53] pypi slow for anyone? [17:53] can't tell, whole network is slow due to wife U1 syncing [17:53] you pulling packages or just using the website? [17:54] if pulling packages, setup mirrors in your config ot drop crate.io since it's s3 based [17:55] pulling packages. [17:55] drop crate.io ? [17:55] must have been issue here. its fine now [17:55] sorry, typing faster than it's displaying [17:55] crate.io is a pypi service thing that hsots packages you can fetch from [17:55] it's backed by s3 for serving the files, so pretty quick [17:56] i'll check it out, thanks. [17:56] http://jacobian.org/writing/when-pypi-goes-down/ [17:57] % cat ~/.pip/pip.conf (rharding@toraken:..as/branches/trunk/) [17:57] [global] [17:57] index-url = http://simple.crate.io/ [17:59] jrwren: also check out: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pep381client [18:02] ty [18:19] Ah, that was fun. Sed isn't so bad [18:21] sed ftw [18:21] or just vim [18:21] I had about 40 files in various depths of folder hierarchy [18:22] yea, sed to the rescue then [18:22] Tricky part was that it wouldn't let me change in place. I had to copy the file and output to a different file [18:26] grrr, U1 is irritating me. [18:27] LAN Sync FTW [18:27] Anything less is uncivilized [18:30] rick_h: It's probably the slowest way to sync two machines [18:30] hands down [18:31] meh, just trying to set her up with something that backs up [18:31] dogfood a little I guess [18:31] and it's built in vs setting up dropbox for her, she doesn't know the diff really [18:32] It's gotten a little better in 12.04, but it's still not magic like Dropbox [18:32] yea, her expectations are lower, which is sad...but oh well [18:34] * rick_h goes on a U1 bug submission frenzy [18:34] just hang out in #ubuntuone and bitch there [18:35] rick_h: nice [18:36] this is kind of retarded, I mean really. So log into the website, hit the big files button, and 2/3 of my screen is crap on the bottom for ToS, Developer, About Us, etc [18:36] :) oh legal [18:37] yea, well just lists and lists of menus that takes up 4px my actual list of folders/files [18:37] at least collapse it [18:39] seriously... ok so tell me which project to file "sharing email is useless" under? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/+filebug [18:40] rick_h: Heh, that's the problem I have submitted half of my bugs to Ubuntu. What do I file it against? [18:40] Also, my tense not so good [18:42] hilarious, that filebug page is worthless [18:42] Another password leak? http://www.last.fm/passwordsecurity [18:42] way to hate your users, U1 [18:42] brousch: yep [18:42] oh ffs [18:43] brousch: just go ahead and update ALL your passwords everywhere every month, like god himself does. [18:43] weekly [18:43] cause it appears a new leak happens hourly [18:43] But I don't even login to linkedin or last.fm every month! [18:43] so every 15 minutes, you must change your passwords across the board [18:43] brousch: but if you don't change your password, the service will log you out. [18:44] er, wow, brain weirdness there, that's not what I meant to say. [18:44] * greg-g goes to get something to drink [18:45] I have a couple of sites where I don't even bother with remembering a password. I login so infrequently that I just request a password reset every time I go there [18:45] hah [18:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375566 *sigh* I feel better now [18:50] rick_h: wow, over 3 years old [18:51] greg-g: yea :/ and it's not like it's an "ignore me" issue [18:51] yeah, ugh [18:56] oh well, two news bugs and one affects me, a good day's work reporting crap that'll never get fixed. [18:57] Geez, I think I hit that email bug back when jjesse and I tried U1 at WMLUG when it first came out [18:57] ? [18:58] wow [18:58] I remember you never got the share email [18:58] But a few days later it worked [18:58] I did get the email in this case, but it's retarded and doesn't mention activating the share at all [18:59] and there's no UI that says I've got pending shares to accept/etc in the clietn or the webui [18:59] so it really is a black hole of sharing fail [19:00] rick_h: Try rebooting the U1 servers [19:00] All of them [19:00] hah [19:00] let me get those logins [19:01] just use your magic number generator button! [19:02] 872838 [19:02] *access denied* [19:02] damn! [19:02] worth a shot [19:02] OK, I actually snorted at that one [19:02] is it friday yet? I'm toast [19:02] There's a little booger on my alt key now [19:26] i'm evaluating solutions, anyone know what ubuntu cloud server's competition is? [19:27] Azure? [19:33] lol, no [19:37] Oracle is building the bestest cloud evar [19:38] http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405454,00.asp [19:43] no [19:44] You're so picky [19:45] jrwren: you have to define cloud to find the compitition [19:47] "ubuntu cloud server" isn't that a definition? [19:47] Yeah, it's like asking what's the best shoes out there? [19:48] Crocks [19:48] brousch: I hope a crocs truck explodes on your front lawn [19:49] I have a pair of crocs [19:49] is Crocks a cloud software thing? [19:49] I will wear them for your enjoyment [19:49] i googled and got crocs. [19:49] That's it's own punishment [19:50] jrwren: It's just that brousch not only has incredibly bad taste in footwear, but also can 't spell it either [19:51] Speling ees ovarated [19:52] oviosly [19:59] http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.eggproxy nom nom [20:00] This is how you do a password breach: http://www.last.fm/passwordsecurity [20:02] snap-l: you'er about 2 hours behind. brousch already linked to that ;) [20:02] Yeah, you need to upgrade your Internets [20:04] That means I have to stop ignoring brousch [20:04] too hard [20:05] Ah ha! [20:59] bookie just let me add a dup. https://bmark.us/jrwren/recent [21:21] pylint is stupid. [21:22] i don't care about docstrings on my unittest classes and methods. [21:25] O'reilly now will sync with dropbox [21:32] pylint W0141 wtf [21:38] jrwren: well you do want that though because the test runner will use that for output to help on failing tests [21:39] jrwren: it's not unusual to have different classes with similiar commented test methods, etc [21:40] jrwren: thanks for the heads up, issue added: https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/issues/156 [21:45] is there a way i can get python library docs as manpages? [21:45] i do for php and perl ahs perldoc. [21:46] I use a plugin called pydoc I think that loads python docs in vim splits [21:46] jrwren: you can also use your repl bpython/ipython [21:46] import os; help(os) [21:47] will output the docs for os module [21:47] ah, maybe that is waht I want. [21:47] just need to get better at using it. [21:47] yea, help and dir I use a ton in repl and pdb for things while debugging/dev