| bryceh | RAOF, why do I see my → but not your smart quotes or á/à/ú/ù ? | 00:30 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | I don't know. I don't see your ???s, either. | 00:30 |
| bryceh | RAOF, to me you are full of ?'s | 00:30 |
| bryceh | hum | 00:30 |
| RAOF | ?! | 00:31 |
| bryceh | ‽ | 00:33 |
| bryceh | ¿ | 00:33 |
| bryceh | ¡ | 00:33 |
| bryceh | RAOF, I want my € back :-) | 00:33 |
| RAOF | ? | 00:33 |
| bryceh | RAOF, what keyboard layout do you use? | 00:33 |
| RAOF | en(dvorak) | 00:34 |
| Azelphur | ʞɔɐq € s!Ⴁ sʇuɐʍ әႡ | 00:34 |
| Azelphur | RAOF: that's interesting, I use en(colemak) | 00:34 |
| RAOF | It's most likely to be encoding related. | 00:35 |
| RAOF | Also likely: that my smuix-server hasn't got the right encoding set :) | 00:35 |
| bryceh | RAOF, http://www.bryceharrington.org/files/xchat_raof_q.png | 00:38 |
| RAOF | That's likely my fault. | 00:38 |
| bryceh | RAOF, aha yeah could be filtering things out | 00:38 |
| Azelphur | I see exactly the same as bryceh in pidgin | 00:38 |
| RAOF | Let me restart stuff... | 00:38 |
| bryceh | Azelphur, thanks | 00:39 |
| Azelphur | hehe :) | 00:39 |
| bryceh | minutes posted | 00:42 |
| bryceh | betting is now open for how long until a summary + something rude appears on phoronix. | 00:43 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Does this shów üp çõrrectly™? | 00:45 |
| Azelphur | does for me | 00:45 |
| bryceh | yes! | 00:46 |
| bryceh | <RAOF> bryceh: Does this shów üp çõrrectly™? | 00:46 |
| RAOF | Also roundtrips correctly | 00:46 |
| bryceh | yay | 00:47 |
| Sarvatt | SNA is actually selectable in xorg.conf now and is still breaking daily, i'll turn it on by default and put a note about how to go back to uxa for people that want to actually use intel in tomorrow's upload | 01:36 |
| Sarvatt | sorry I missed the meeting earlier, didn't know it was happening! | 01:36 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: !!! It was in ubuntu-x@, and we've talked about it a couple of times here :) | 01:38 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: SNA on 2.19 seems to be *reasonably* usable here. | 01:38 |
| RAOF | (Says the gen7 user) | 01:39 |
| Sarvatt | yeah 2.19 is good, it gets fixed up decently just before releases :) | 01:39 |
| RAOF | Apart from some missing rendering. | 01:41 |
| Sarvatt | ubuntu-x posts get lost in the hundreds of ubuntu-x-swat mails that come in, need to fix my darn filter rules it | 01:41 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, :-( what mail client? | 01:54 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, as in, got procmail? | 01:54 |
| Sarvatt | gmail, i just had it set up stupid | 01:54 |
| Sarvatt | i got it all fixed up now, wont miss the next one! | 01:55 |
| bryceh | :-) | 01:58 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, I posted a summary to ubuntu-x and ubuntu-desktop, feel free to reply with any feedback you have | 01:58 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: SNA is selectable in xorg.conf? | 02:00 |
| Sarvatt | hyperair: as of sometime last week yeah | 02:02 |
| Sarvatt | hyperair: except you need to enable SNA then make UXA the default via configure flags and I haven't made that change in edgers yet, but i just made a hook so tomorrow's update will support it | 02:03 |
| Sarvatt | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=e45629135065d0cc73c285f8df35ab4e1d07c6dc | 02:03 |
| Sarvatt | guess its time to package up glamor too | 02:04 |
| RAOF | Does anyone have any objections to moving to xserver 1.12 post A1? It'll make system-compositoring easier, as xwayland's based on 1.12. | 02:04 |
| Sarvatt | none at all here, i'd like to do it just in case 1.13 doesn't pan out actually | 02:06 |
| bryceh | RAOF, since we have some other things planned to switch with A1, maybe give a week or so beforehand, so we have a gap to isolate bugs against? | 02:06 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: i see. i haven't been using edgers recently though. | 02:06 |
| bryceh | I don't feel super strongly about that though, so if you're anxious to get it in immediately post-A1, I'm amenable | 02:06 |
| hyperair | glamor sounds interesting. =p | 02:06 |
| RAOF | but still slower than UXA :) | 02:09 |
| RAOF | bryceh: I can wait a bit, but it'll make it much easier for robert_ancell to start on the lightdm work if it's easy to get at. | 02:12 |
| bryceh | well we've not seen very much in terms of bug reports up til now, and based on history I really don't expect to see much feedback until after A2. | 02:13 |
| bryceh | RAOF, so, use your judgment. If there's definite value plugging it in right after A1, go for it. | 02:14 |
| RAOF | Actually, doing all the work and dumping it in a PPA would be just as useful to me. Uploading to quantal-proposed and then copying to quantal can be done at leisure, then. | 02:23 |
| tjaalton | no objections to 1.12 | 05:22 |
| mlankhorst | morning | 07:55 |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: No objections here :) | 07:55 |
| tjaalton | i'm fed up with apport not being able to collect the relevat info when asked to do so | 09:08 |
| tjaalton | relevant too | 09:08 |
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| seb128 | tjaalton, like? | 09:28 |
| mlankhorst | I should give my trees names, 3 trees called linux aren't helping matters much :) | 09:36 |
| tjaalton | seb128: like on bug 1008864 | 09:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1008864 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software center crashes when clicking pay apps" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008864 | 09:41 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, what info did it fail to collect? | 09:42 |
| tjaalton | seb128: whatever ubuntu-bug xorg would collect | 09:44 |
| tjaalton | a lot of stuff | 09:44 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, the bug was reported against s-c not xorg | 09:44 |
| seb128 | why would it collect xorg infos? | 09:44 |
| tjaalton | uh, right. so no way to force it to collec the right one | 09:45 |
| tjaalton | it has xorg component opened too | 09:45 |
| tjaalton | at least it's some hybrid setup with nvidia, so probably just a nouveau bug | 09:45 |
| tjaalton | anyway, that was a bad example, there have been other bugs too like that :) | 09:47 |
| tjaalton | would be nice if apport-collect could allow a package argument in addition to the bugnum | 09:50 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, apport-collect -p xorg ? | 09:54 |
| tjaalton | seb128: the manpage at least has no such thing | 09:58 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, apport-collect --help is what I used | 09:59 |
| tjaalton | sigh, the manpage should be updated then | 10:00 |
| mlankhorst | then launchpad died underneath me, sigh :P | 10:01 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, patches are welcome I guess | 10:01 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, they do inline update, that's usally around 10am and for a minute or so | 10:01 |
| mlankhorst | ah k | 10:01 |
| mlankhorst | yep you're righ,t, back up | 10:02 |
| tjaalton | seb128: just filed a bug for now | 10:10 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, k | 10:10 |
| tjaalton | seb128: thanks for pointing that out though, wonder how many times it would've been helpful in the past to know that :) | 10:11 |
| mlankhorst | tjaalton: oh hey can I get a patch in kernel 3.4? Upstream commit a6a17859f1bdf607650ee055101f54c5f207762b | 10:12 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: quantal will have 3.5 soon anywa? | 10:14 |
| tjaalton | +y | 10:15 |
| tjaalton | don't think they'll even do 3.4 uploads anymore | 10:15 |
| tjaalton | would this be good for 3.2 too? | 10:16 |
| tjaalton | sounds like it would | 10:16 |
| mlankhorst | tjaalton: was a regression in 3.4 i think | 10:17 |
| tjaalton | ah | 10:17 |
| mlankhorst | so many changes between 3.2 and 3.3 i dont know what fixed it for nouveau | 10:19 |
| mlankhorst | I'm guessing those 3 for v3.2: 6322175530c89ab719cea28202f96a3660491727, c8435362f2211086b34ce871fa9c3fcc7ca79ff9, a6a17859f1bdf607650ee055101f54c5f207762b | 10:23 |
| tjaalton | if you have fixes for nouveau that'd be great | 10:23 |
| mlankhorst | I could pick those to v3.2 and see | 10:24 |
| tjaalton | the first one is quite old, but not in 3.2? | 10:24 |
| tjaalton | doesn't look like it | 10:25 |
| tjaalton | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelUpdates | 10:26 |
| tjaalton | and | 10:26 |
| tjaalton | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat | 10:26 |
| tjaalton | the procedure for getting fixes in | 10:26 |
| mlankhorst | thanks | 10:27 |
| tjaalton | might be easier to get them via v3.2-stable | 10:27 |
| mlankhorst | true | 10:27 |
| tjaalton | you can see what's been proposed already http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/bwh/linux-3.2.y-queue.git;a=summary | 10:29 |
| tjaalton | hah http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/bwh/linux-3.2.y-queue.git;a=commitdiff;h=443b53442f77382a0de81d58154ec2187a21279a#patch10' | 10:31 |
| tjaalton | that's going to help a lot | 10:31 |
| jcristau | i sent that in after bugs.debian.org/675022 | 10:43 |
| tjaalton | ah, ok | 10:49 |
| mlankhorst | tjaalton: Yeah I'll try upstream first. :-) | 10:52 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: if you have bug refs that would make it easier to get accepted, i guess | 10:53 |
| tjaalton | and after that, it's a walk in the park getting pulled in precise :) | 10:53 |
| tjaalton | without all the paperwork | 10:53 |
| mlankhorst | We'll see, I never had to refer someone else's patches for stable though. | 10:54 |
| mlankhorst | if this works i might try to get some other nouveau fixes through -stable too | 11:00 |
| tjaalton | hmm, disabling fbc should be possible to get in the current -proposed kernel | 11:11 |
| tjaalton | it's a oneliner and no fear of regressions.. | 11:11 |
| mlankhorst | like all one liners | 11:16 |
| tjaalton | hehe | 11:18 |
| tjaalton | s/fear/end/ | 11:18 |
| mlankhorst | :D | 11:19 |
| mlankhorst | I think after another exa patch gets in I'll probably push the ddx | 14:01 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, I'm unsure if apport-collect look at the launchpad package or the Package: in the reported bug, but you get at least an Xorg.0.log.old which shows an intel Xorg segfault in the bug you pointed earlier | 14:18 |
| tjaalton | seb128: ah, fun | 14:21 |
| Azelphur | So, who wants to play ridiculous / borderline insane x.org config? I'm trying to set up 4 monitors, 2 screens, one on GTX 570 nvidia proprietary, one on AMD 5870 (Radeon) | 16:04 |
| Azelphur | http://collabedit.com/pqyaj is what I have so far, the nvidia stuff works, but the AMD stuff isn't doing so well | 16:04 |
| Azelphur | it's only pulling up one monitor, and compiz/xfce don't start properly :( | 16:04 |
| mlankhorst | Azelphur: You'll have more luck to pull that off with nouveau | 16:09 |
| Azelphur | I could start off with nouveau, but I like playing games under wine and nouveau doesn't do too well at that | 16:10 |
| mlankhorst | I mean nvidia makes you unable to use other drivers at the same time | 16:11 |
| Azelphur | oh wow, that's annoying | 16:11 |
| Azelphur | but then how is the radeon even up, the radeon is up and has one display running | 16:12 |
| Azelphur | just not very well | 16:12 |
| mlankhorst | any gl to it will probably fail | 16:12 |
| Azelphur | yep, that's pretty much what I'm getting | 16:12 |
| Azelphur | compiz is just falling over and dieing | 16:12 |
| mlankhorst | :-) | 16:12 |
| Azelphur | ok so I'll try with nouveau :) | 16:13 |
| mlankhorst | I'm guessing ati card was using r600? | 16:14 |
| Azelphur | I dunnod | 16:14 |
| Azelphur | haha, changed nvidia to nouveau now I have ATI up (mirrored) and no nvidia | 16:15 |
| Azelphur | or is the driver name for nouveau nv? | 16:15 |
| mlankhorst | erm no, nv should die off. :p | 16:15 |
| Azelphur | ah :) | 16:16 |
| mlankhorst | is the nouveau module loaded¿ | 16:16 |
| Azelphur | in lsmod? nope :( | 16:16 |
| mlankhorst | probably have to reboot after removing nvidia | 16:17 |
| Azelphur | used jockey to remove the nvidia driver and rebooting now :) | 16:20 |
| mlankhorst | brb | 16:22 |
| Azelphur | still the same, mirrors on the AMD and nothing on nvidia, http://pastebin.com/kNHMiqcz is my xorg.conf atm | 16:22 |
| Azelphur | oh hey but opengl stopped failing | 16:23 |
| tjaalton | a great way to gpu-hang ivybridge; open the session menu from lightdm login screen... | 16:24 |
| tjaalton | no need to open either, just hovering over the icon is enough | 16:24 |
| tjaalton | fixed in 3.4 at least | 16:29 |
| tjaalton | 3.3.7 too | 16:31 |
| tjaalton | but it's slow to navigate the menu.. laggy as hell | 16:32 |
| tjaalton | db099c8f963fe656108e0a068274c5580a17f69b drm/i915: gen7: work around a system hang on IVB | 16:38 |
| tjaalton | why yes | 16:38 |
| cnd | mlankhorst, it looks like you forgot to push the changes to the synaptics ubuntu branch when you uploaded the last release to quantal | 16:56 |
| cnd | let me see if I can figure out how to sync | 16:57 |
| cnd | looks like the only change was the bump from UNRELEASED to quantal | 17:00 |
| cnd | mlankhorst, ok, I fixed it up :) | 17:02 |
| cnd | nm | 17:02 |
| mlankhorst | cnd: I don't have push rights, so wasn't me :) | 17:03 |
| cnd | oh? | 17:03 |
| cnd | it says you're the committer | 17:03 |
| mlankhorst | I mean i did the branch, but I didn't upload | 17:03 |
| cnd | ok | 17:03 |
| cnd | I see | 17:04 |
| cnd | who uploaded it? | 17:04 |
| Azelphur | mlankhorst, so, I've got radeon up with opengl, but the nvidias arn't coming up, and the radeon is just in mirror mode | 17:04 |
| seb128 | cnd, Signed-By: Bryce Harrington | 17:04 |
| seb128 | cnd, from the -changes email | 17:04 |
| mlankhorst | Azelphur: nouveau module loaded to kernel at least? | 17:04 |
| cnd | right | 17:04 |
| Azelphur | mlankhorst, doesn't show up in lsmod, but Xorg.0.log says it loaded it | 17:05 |
| cnd | well, it wasn't difficult to sync this time at least :) | 17:05 |
| cnd | I've left things in worse states before | 17:05 |
| mlankhorst | Azelphur: grep -r blacklist.*nouveau /etc/modprobe.d | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-current_hybrid.conf:blacklist nouveau | 17:06 |
| Azelphur | /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-current_hybrid.conf:blacklist lbm-nouveau | 17:06 |
| mlankhorst | remove that file, then restart | 17:06 |
| Azelphur | both of them? | 17:07 |
| mlankhorst | it's one file | 17:08 |
| Azelphur | oh yea, silly me I just realised that | 17:08 |
| Azelphur | rebooting now \o/ | 17:08 |
| Azelphur | progress :D | 17:12 |
| Azelphur | both cards are now mirroring | 17:12 |
| mlankhorst | so just have fun with xrandr now | 17:12 |
| Azelphur | nice, can i make xrandr settings perm somehow? | 17:13 |
| bryceh | Azelphur, either in xorg.conf or .gnomerc or the like | 17:13 |
| Azelphur | fun | 17:14 |
| mlankhorst | personally i stuff it in krandrrc but that's for kde only | 17:14 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 17:15 |
| Azelphur | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120607_181951.jpg | 17:22 |
| Azelphur | I think I broke it :( | 17:22 |
| tjaalton | '5d031e5b633 drm/i915: Remove use of the autoreported ringbuffer HEAD position' fixed the lightdm menu hang | 17:42 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh/raof: i still have to see if i can get some upload rights this cycle, is it possible I help out with the X 1.12 upload? | 19:17 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, don't worry about rushing to get upload rights this cycle; there's plenty of us who can do uploads for you. but most of the work is getting packages ready for upload, as you've been doing | 19:20 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: ok so I'll just continue on that and maybe put up a ppa? | 19:20 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, yep that's a great idea | 19:20 |
| mlankhorst | perfect have something to work on tomorrow then :) | 19:21 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, if you get bored, there are plenty of bugs that need looked at, or if you'd rather look at code, you could go through the proposed patches and give your opinion - https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+patches | 19:21 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: I'll probably just enable vdpau for the ppa so I can verify mplayer won't break at least | 19:22 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: but when I get bored I sometimes just spend some more time on nouveau vdpau for fun, I'm trying to get some patches for nouveau in linux stable. :) | 19:30 |
| bryceh | there are also a lot of bugs needing triaged | 19:36 |
| bryceh | in fact I'm wondering if we ought to switch to a team model for triaging (i.e. everyone spend N hrs / week triaging) | 19:37 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: Problem is that sadly a whole lot of bugs are hardware specific :( | 19:41 |
| jcristau | a whole lot of bugs are probably pebcak | 19:42 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, triage != fix | 19:42 |
| bryceh | jcristau, extraordinarily true | 19:42 |
| mlankhorst | pebcak? | 19:42 |
| bryceh | 50% of bugs reported to X aren't X bugs | 19:42 |
| jcristau | mlankhorst: user doing something wrong. | 19:43 |
| mlankhorst | jcristau: or user wants to uninstall nvidia :-) | 19:43 |
| bryceh | another quarter are inane junk like not knowing how to configure things | 19:43 |
| mlankhorst | I'm so tempted to write something that tests it | 19:43 |
| mlankhorst | load glxinfo -> results sane? load glxinfo32 -> results sane? | 19:44 |
| mlankhorst | grep blacklist.*nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/* | 19:44 |
| mlankhorst | etc | 19:44 |
| bryceh | then there's 24% which may be legitimate bugs but the user hasn't reported them properly. So we have to coach them through some debugging | 19:44 |
| mlankhorst | and the 1% that's so insane but with a hint of truth that you can't help but wonder what's going on in their minds? ;) | 19:45 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, if you dummy up a script, I may be able to transliterate that into our apport hook to run during bug reporting. | 19:45 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: the problem is getting glxinfo and glxinfo32 at the same time | 19:46 |
| mlankhorst | but I spend some time in #nouveau figuring out bugs, sometimes it helps figuring out bugs filed against nouveau early. :) | 19:49 |
| tjaalton | sweet, fbc disabled for snb in precise master-next | 20:32 |
| tjaalton | that was quick | 20:32 |
| bdmurray | bryceh: can you provide some insight regarding bug 924909? | 20:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 924909 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Windows have grey traces in Ubiquity" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924909 | 20:52 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, only occurs through VM? | 20:58 |
| bdmurray | bryceh: looks like hardware to me | 20:59 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, I would guess cjwatson's right that it's a window manager compositing issue. | 21:04 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, are all the commenters using metacity's compositing functionality? | 21:04 |
| bdmurray | bryceh: yes they are either at the try screen or did choose install ubuntu so not a full desktop | 21:27 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, so metacity compositor update bug probably. | 21:34 |
| bdmurray | bryceh: so a metacity task then? | 21:34 |
| bryceh | I'd seen something similar with remote desktop not repainting a while back with compositing enabled, but that affected the whole screen not just the background | 21:34 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, yup | 21:34 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, well, make sure to confirm they're all running metacity as the window manager. I *think* that's what xfce uses but am not 100% certain. | 21:35 |
| jcristau | xfce uses xfwm | 21:36 |
| jcristau | metacity was gnome2 | 21:36 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, there you go. | 21:37 |
| bdmurray | what does composting get you if you are just installing anyway? | 21:40 |
| jcristau | trouble, probably | 21:41 |
| bryceh | heh | 21:44 |
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