[00:04] <BarkingFish> Good morning guys :)  Long time no visit, how is everything going with the next distro? I've seen alpha ISO testing notices going out on the mailing lists.
[00:29] <BluesKaj> nope , no ninjas ppa with kde 4.8.4 , that i can find
[00:32] <Daskreech> I would guess that 4.8.80 is the priority right now
[00:39] <BluesKaj> Daskreech,  I think it was debfx who was looking for someone to test 4.8.4 , so yofel said it was in the ninjas ppa
[00:40] <yofel> ninjas has: precise 4.8.4  | quantal 4.8.80
[00:40] <BluesKaj> yup , i'm on precise now
[00:40] <yofel> ninjas as in ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa ?
[00:41] <yofel> as that has 4.8.4
[00:41] <yofel>      4:4.8.4a-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 0
[00:41] <yofel>         500 https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages
[00:41] <BluesKaj> dunno yofel 
[00:41] <yofel> the public one doesn't have it yet
[00:41] <BluesKaj> <--not auithorized
[00:42] <Daskreech> yofel: do you need a key to get into the private  ppa ?
[00:43] <yofel> yeah
[00:44] <BluesKaj> Adding private PPAs is not supported currently , when I tried adding it
[00:45] <BluesKaj> ok , well i'll wait ...no big hurry to try it 
[00:47] <Daskreech> does anyone know if Debian will be getting any KDE 4.8.80 packages/
[00:48] <Daskreech> Someone with a debian box is inquiring
[00:48] <BluesKaj>  4.8.80 seems to be working well on 12.10
[00:52] <yofel> not for quite a while, the usually only start packaging at .2 or so
[00:52] <yofel> currently they're testing 4.8.4 as well
[00:53] <BluesKaj> yofel, , not sleepy ? must 3AM there
[00:53] <BluesKaj> be
[00:53] <yofel> it is, but I wanted to finish calligra - which takes ages to build -.-
[00:54] <BluesKaj> riight ..dedication is appreciated :)
[00:55] <BluesKaj> well time to check the TV ... later all
[01:15] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/marble] Philip Muškovac * 38 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu1
[01:16] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza] Philip Muškovac * 15 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu1
[06:35] <fabidesu> Hi there, I'm the guy from google plus +kubuntu. Rohan told me I could be usefull in some way - so I'm here. Just to let you know (:
[06:54] <Mamarok> hi fabidesu :)
[06:56] <fabidesu> hi Mamarok ^^ wow, i'm still very nervous to write anything
[06:57] <Mamarok> fabidesu: why? We are just normal people in here, have no fear :)
[06:59] <fabidesu> Mamarok: i really dont know - but thank you (:
[07:09] <Riddell> fabidesu: so you have a google plus account for kubuntu of some sort?
[07:11] <fabidesu> Riddell: well its not a own account. It is some sort of a additional page for my own googleplus account
[07:16] <Riddell> fabidesu: can I see it without being on google plus?
[07:18] <fabidesu> Riddell: https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138 the most you can see
[07:18] <Riddell> ooh pretty artwork
[07:20] <Riddell> fabidesu: can anyone post to it or only you?
[07:20] <Riddell> and is it an entirely separate account from your personal google account?
[07:21] <tsdgeos> i can't post (thogh i'm not following it, maybe if i do follow i could)
[07:21] <fabidesu> Riddell: only people i invited to post. but everyone (with a google account) can post comments/reshare and +1
[07:24] <Riddell> fabidesu: can you invite some kubuntu council and other well kent folk to post?
[07:25] <Riddell> then I can link it from kubuntu.org 
[07:25] <Riddell> I don't want to do that to something which has a bus factor of 1
[07:25] <Riddell> I just signed up to google+, google now has my soul
[07:26] <fabidesu> I just need the email adress to invite
[07:26] <Riddell> riddell@gmail
[07:27] <fabidesu> done (:
[07:27] <Riddell> Myriam Schweingruber, Rohan Garg, Harald Sitter would be others that come to mind
[07:31] <fabidesu> just let me know the mail adress. there isnt a other way to invite i think. ... jep only via mail
[07:37] <Riddell> try these myriam@ kubuntu.org apachelogger@ ubuntu.com rohangarg@ kubuntu.org
[07:40] <Riddell> fabidesu: ^^
[07:43] <fabidesu> ok thank you i will invite them all :D
[07:58] <Riddell> fabidesu: voila kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-google
[08:00] <fabidesu> aww nice :D thank you, Riddell
[08:04] <debfx> Riddell: 4.8.4 packages need some more testing
[08:05] <Riddell> debfx: in ninjas?
[08:05] <debfx> yes
[08:05]  * Riddell fires up an ec2 machine
[08:35] <Riddell> debfx: really in ninjas?
[08:38] <Riddell> oh yes, don't want to add quatzal sources.list line to precise
[08:42] <jussi> Riddell: could you try confirm a bug for me? 
[08:42] <jussi> (I can reproduce everytime here)
[08:42] <Riddell> jussi: maybe, what is it?
[08:44] <jussi> Riddell: open systemsettings. go to desktop effects. go to all effects. go to outline andclick the (i). click close. watch it crash.
[08:45] <Riddell> jussi: works fine here (quatzal, 4.8.80)
[08:45] <Riddell> can try on precise with 4.8.4 shortly
[08:45] <jussi> actually seems to crash with multiple different ones on precise
[08:45] <jussi> clicking the (i) and click close
[08:46] <Tm_T> what crashes?
[08:47] <Tm_T> system settings?
[08:47] <Riddell> jussi: also no crash precise with 4.8.4
[08:48] <Riddell> debfx: 4.8.4 working good on precise
[08:48] <Riddell> anything I test?
[08:48] <jussi> Tm_T: yeah, systemsettings
[08:48] <jussi> bah
[08:49] <jussi> this si a pretty standard install, except I hazve ubuntu and gnome3 installed also
[08:49] <jussi> it is the work machine after all
[08:50] <Tm_T> let's try it here
[08:51] <Tm_T> 4.8.3 on Precise, no crash ehre
[08:51] <Tm_T> here
[08:52] <Riddell> so something more specific to jussi's machine
[08:52] <Riddell> needs a backtrace to track down, also try with a new user
[08:56] <jussi> which dbg packages do I need?
[08:57] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace ?
[09:02] <debfx> some kdepim testing would be good since I'm not using it
[09:07] <jussi> sigh... slow connection
[09:24] <jussi> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1030111/
[09:29] <Riddell> jussi: is that all for thread 1?
[09:29] <Riddell> but report it upstream, or poke mgraesslin and hope he's in a helping mood
[09:30] <jussi> Riddell: thats all it gives me
[09:32] <jussi> Riddell: strange, its telling me I dont have debug packages for systemsettings
[09:39] <Riddell> jussi: kde-workspace-dbg should be it but systemsettings is made up of kcontrol modules which might be elsewhere
[09:39] <jussi> hrr
[09:40] <jussi> The packages containing debug information for the following application and libraries are missing:
[09:40] <jussi> /usr/bin/systemsettings
[10:06] <Riddell> tsdgeos: do you know who makes the 4.8.80 tars?  is that you?
[10:06] <tsdgeos> yes, that's me
[10:06] <Riddell> tsdgeos: on ubuntu?
[10:06] <Riddell> (vila of launchpad is reporting the importer doesn't work with suse made xz tars)
[10:07] <tsdgeos> uh?
[10:07] <tsdgeos> you mean if i create them on an ubuntu machine?
[10:07] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yes
[10:08] <tsdgeos> it's not suse xz made tards
[10:08] <tsdgeos> it's because dirk uses pixz
[10:08] <tsdgeos> instead of xz
[10:08] <tsdgeos> i'm using a debian machine
[10:08] <tsdgeos> Riddell: there's a thread about that in the r-t mailing list
[10:09] <tsdgeos> btw you might want to skip .80 since i put .90 online yesterday
[10:09] <Riddell> vila: tsdgeos here makes the 4.80 beta tars we're about to upload which he does on debian
[10:10] <Riddell> vila: the 4.8.x ones are made by dirk on suse and using pixz but you say it's not due to pixz ?
[10:10] <vila> so, specifically, until we fix our package importer issue, can you check that the produced .xz files use CRC32 and a single block ?
[10:11] <Riddell> vila: for 4.8.x or 4.80 beta tars we're about to upload?
[10:11] <vila> I haven't looked at pixz yet, but the .xz files can be decompressed, the issue appears when pristine-tar (well, pristine-xz really) tries to rebuild them
[10:12] <vila> the new ones
[10:12] <vila> if they end up being uploaded to debian/ubuntu, the package importer will see them, so the issue will come up
[10:13] <Riddell> vila: I'm not sure how to do that but the tars are at http://download.kde.org/unstable/4.8.80/src/
[10:13] <vila> xz -l --robot -vv xxx.xz 
[10:13] <Riddell> actually some already are up e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[10:13] <vila> if more than one block appears in the output, I'm 90% sure the importer will fail
[10:14] <Riddell> vila: http://paste.kde.org/495284/
[10:15] <vila> that one is good
[10:15] <vila> eerk, crc64
[10:16] <vila> that's not the default, so where is this coming from ?
[10:17] <Riddell> no idea, something in the scripts tsdgeos uses?  debian default on amd64?
[10:18] <tsdgeos> tar --owner=root --group=root -c -I /usr/bin/xz 
[10:18] <tsdgeos> $ xz --version
[10:18] <tsdgeos> xz (XZ Utils) 5.0.0
[10:18] <tsdgeos> liblzma 5.0.0
[10:18] <tsdgeos> Xeon machine
[10:19] <tsdgeos> 64bits
[10:19] <Ezim> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.8.4/src/
[10:19] <vila> tsdgeos: excellent, thanks, debian ?
[10:20] <tsdgeos> i said so, yes
[10:20] <vila> tsdgeos: sorry, joined recently
[10:21] <vila> ok, food for thought, if I could get the same data for 4.8.2 that would be great, but I've enough for another round of investigations
[10:44]  * Riddell uploads 4.8.80
[10:53] <tsdgeos> Riddell: great, are you having a look at .90 soon?
[11:32] <Riddell> tsdgeos: that'll be somewhere on the todo list yes
[11:43] <Riddell> ScottK: how do I do new queue through launchpad?
[11:46] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra] Philip Muškovac * 18 * debian/ (40 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[11:46] <CIA-44> * Merge with debian unstable (LP: #930111), remaining changes: - calligra-libs
[11:46] <CIA-44> suggests, not recommends fonts-lyx (universe) - enable calligraactive and
[11:51] <micahg> yofel_: if you're uploading calligra, can you take care of the glew transition?
[11:52] <yofel_> that is bug 930111
[11:52] <micahg> yofel_: thanks
[11:53] <yofel_> it's not uploaded yet, want to do an update test first. Will upload later
[11:53]  * yofel_ is off
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:31] <ScottK> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=0 - You can't do per binary overrides, so don't try.  I generally override everything to Main if a new package needs promotion and let it get sorted in component mismatches.
[12:34] <debfx> please reject kde-base-artwork. it still has "TODO" items in the changelog and I think we should change the binary name
[12:35] <Riddell> debfx: I made the ksplashx theme package it makes a dependency of kdebase-workspace-bin
[12:35] <Riddell> is that wrong?
[12:36] <debfx> we should just call it kde-base-artwork since the files would be part of kde-workspace-data if git could handle them
[12:38] <Riddell> ok rejected
[12:38] <Riddell> mind and change the kdebase-workspace-bin dependency while you're at it
[12:38] <debfx> so we likely won't split kde-base-artwork into multiple packages even if upstreams adds other stuff
[12:49] <BluesKaj> 4.8.80 here on 12.10 seems fine so far , the ppa for 4.8.4 wasn't available to me for 12.04 testing yesterday , debfx
[12:50] <debfx> Riddell: the kde-base-artwork copyright file says LGPL-2+ but you've added the GPL-2 to the svn repository, which one is correct?
[12:56] <Riddell> debfx: hmm
[12:58] <Riddell> it could be either
[12:59] <Riddell> I'll try and find upstream
[13:01] <Riddell> debfx: go with GPL 2
[13:01] <shadeslayer> so, I have bunch of icons ( wikimedia and imgur logo's ) that are in list-missing
[13:01] <Riddell> debfx: are you able to change the debian/copying file or shall I?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> since they're logo's, I'm assuming they're copyrighted and that's why the debian package doesn't have them as well?
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if they don't have a suitable copying licence they would need to be removed from the source tar, just not installing them into the .deb binaries isn't enough
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ( this is in digikam )
[13:02] <debfx> I can change it but we should wait for upstream to confirm the license before uploading it
[13:02] <shadeslayer> yeah, I'm looking at the sources right now
[13:03] <Riddell> debfx: it comes from kdebase-workspace or -runtime no?  which is generally GPL
[13:03] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[13:04] <shadeslayer> find . -name imgur\* returns me everything but the icons
[13:05] <debfx> workspace, yes
[13:09] <shadeslayer> could someone test kile ? I don't have enough bandwidth to download all LaTeX packages
[13:09]  * Daskreech pos in 
[13:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: test on what?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new upstream bug fix release : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[13:12] <shadeslayer> someone just needs to install it and run kile, make sure it can compile of the packaged templates, and it'll be ready for upload
[13:14] <Riddell> kile says "The standard tool list need to be reloaded because of the switch from KDE3 to KDE4. This will overwrite any changes in the tools you have made. Do you want to reload the list now (recommended)?"
[13:14] <Riddell> that's a surprising message, I've never used it before
[13:15] <Riddell> wow this feels like a poorly maintained app
[13:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: anyway it runs fine
[13:16] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:17] <legacylogger> are we going >CD for quantal?
[13:17] <debfx> yes
[13:18] <legacylogger> sweet
[13:18] <Riddell> 1GB image was what the discussion ended up with
[13:18] <legacylogger> where was that announced tho?
[13:19] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q?searchtext=kubuntu
[13:19] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-images
[13:19] <Riddell> which is due to be discussed at the meeting next week
[13:21] <legacylogger> ah, that is what I though ^^
[13:21] <legacylogger> merci
[13:21] <shadeslayer> I am completely perplexed as to where these files come from :s
[13:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: icons usually named oxXX-type-name.png
[13:22] <Riddell> or hiXX-
[13:23] <Riddell> find . -name \*img\*
[13:23] <shadeslayer> heh,  yeah, hi16-action-imgur.png <
[13:30] <Riddell> 14:28 < ruphy> Riddell: go ahead
[13:30] <Riddell> debfx: upstream approves GPL ^^
[13:31] <debfx> Riddell: nice, I've already uploaded it with a repacked tarball
[13:41] <legacylogger> yofel_: kde is using pixz? Oo
[13:42] <Riddell> legacylogger: dirk was to make the tars 
[13:42] <Riddell> but no more
[13:43] <legacylogger> yofel raised the issue yesterday tho
[13:44] <legacylogger> oh well
[13:44] <jjesse> this google+ tag line I like a lot "kubuntu… fun, work, beauty"
[13:44]  * legacylogger needs to try getting quantal installed
[13:44] <jjesse> thats pretty
[13:44] <jjesse> pretty cool
[13:44] <legacylogger> jjesse: sounds like the subtitle of a movie...
[13:45] <jjesse> yeah, but i really like it, cause i think it sums kubuntu up pretty well
[13:47] <legacylogger> Q: is anyone maintaining usb-creator-kde sincer Rod disappeared?
[13:48] <shadeslayer> jjesse: I've contacted the admin of that group and apparently he's the one who makes all the artwork
[13:48] <jjesse> nice
[13:48] <shadeslayer> I also invited him to come here and talk about ideas on how to improve our site
[13:48] <legacylogger> icidentially enough I was made admin
[13:48] <shadeslayer> legacylogger: likewise
[13:48] <legacylogger> shadeslayer does things -> apachelogger gets more powa :P
[13:49] <shadeslayer> uh no
[13:49] <shadeslayer> I be admin too :P
[13:49] <legacylogger> I like how this works
[13:49] <legacylogger> shadeslayer: so?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> well 
[13:49] <legacylogger> point being that I did not do antyhng and yet got powa
[13:49] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:49] <Riddell> legacylogger: nobody is
[13:50] <Riddell> legacylogger: it has obvious bugs like it doesn't refresh the list after wiping the disk
[13:50] <Riddell> and probably less obvious ones too
[13:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: he was here earlier
[13:50] <shadeslayer> oh, awesome
[13:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fabidesu
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you should have posting powers on the site now
[13:51] <shadeslayer> which site? The G+ page?
[13:51] <legacylogger> Riddell: if we switch away from CD I suppose someone needs to pick that up
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes (and me and Mamarok, I just picked some names I knew so it didn't have a bus factor of 1)
[13:51] <shadeslayer> I wonder if G+ has a API
[13:51] <Riddell> legacylogger: it would be useful yes
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[13:51] <jjesse> shadeslayer, i don't think they have a writeable api yet
[13:52] <jjesse> shadeslayer, https://developers.google.com/+/api/  looks like its only read-only
[13:52] <Riddell> there's a famous post about G+ not having an API or being a platform
[13:52] <shadeslayer> yeah I'm looking at that
[13:52] <legacylogger> Riddell: useful is one way to put it :)
[13:53]  * Mamarok tries to grap the context where her name came up...
[13:53] <Mamarok> grab*
[13:53] <legacylogger> shadeslayer, jjesse, Riddell: g+ api is somewhat beta
[13:53] <Riddell> Mamarok: yours was one of the names I picked for the guy who started the kubuntu google+ page to give posting rights to
[13:53] <legacylogger> querying works nicely tho
[13:54]  * legacylogger has a qml proto querying user pics or something 
[13:54] <shadeslayer> legacylogger: yeah, would be awesome if we could make kubotu write posts to G+
[13:54] <Riddell> where picking method was whatever names first turned up in google+ when I opened an account there today
[13:54] <shadeslayer> new release announcements etc
[13:54] <Mamarok> ah, interesting, and good idea
[13:54] <legacylogger> shadeslayer: you don't need api for that
[13:54] <Mamarok> that guy who came in earlier and was all shy to talk to us :)
[13:55] <shadeslayer> legacylogger: eh?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: he makes awesome artwork though
[13:55] <legacylogger> shadeslayer: we all have a browser, no? :P
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:55] <legacylogger> I remember well the days when shadeslayer was all shy
[13:55] <shadeslayer> legacylogger: you could say the same for newversion and newpackage
[13:56] <legacylogger> shadeslayer: I did say the same about those
[13:56] <shadeslayer> so why include them in kubotu ?
[13:56] <legacylogger> cause people can make me do things now :P
[13:56] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: who made that awesome banner on kubuntu.org? 
[13:58] <legacylogger> I did :P
[13:58] <legacylogger> I did not make the artowrk tho :P
[14:00] <shadeslayer> who did?
[14:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: starbuck found someone to make the artwork and I badly cropped it and legacylogger cropped it better
[14:00] <legacylogger> installing quantal now, should be useful in ~1 hr ^^
[14:00] <legacylogger> Riddell: I also fixed the text :)
[14:00] <shadeslayer> awesome
[14:01] <legacylogger> that actually was the worse thing to get right ... with slight shadow and whatnot
[14:01] <Riddell> legacylogger: you're a star
[14:01] <legacylogger> anyhow
[14:01] <legacylogger> ->install
[14:27] <Riddell> 4.8.80 going into staging
[14:27] <shadeslayer> for precise?
[14:28] <Riddell> yes
[14:28] <shadeslayer> derp, when did you backport
[14:29] <Riddell> ?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> do you just work 24x7
[14:29] <Riddell> I am doing that now
[14:29] <Riddell> no it's entirely untested and untried, but it's only staging so I'm throwing it up to see what happens
[14:29] <shadeslayer> without a test build?
[14:30] <Riddell> right
[14:30] <Riddell> if it breaks then I'll do something more locally
[14:30] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:30] <Mamarok> Riddell: yay, great :)
[14:30] <Riddell> Mamarok: might break yet!
[14:30] <Mamarok> I know, but at least it is already there
[14:32] <Mamarok> the +Kubuntu group has already 972 members, now let's target 1³ :)
[14:32] <highvoltage> :)
[14:34] <Mamarok> highvoltage: thanks for the heads up :)
[14:34] <Mamarok> I shamelessly +1 my own posts btw
[14:35] <highvoltage> that's fine :)
[15:46] <apachelogger> re
[15:55] <Riddell> oh dear, launchpad build farm is slow
[15:56] <Riddell> debfx: anything else needed on 4.8.4 or will you move it to the right place when you're able? 
[15:56] <Mamarok> +Kubuntu has 1022 now :)
[15:56] <Riddell> debfx: presumably right place is kubuntu-ppa/updates and then at some point -proposed?
[15:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: I feel like I have a thousand new friends!
[15:57] <Mamarok> Riddell: at least!
[15:59] <debfx> Riddell: I want to cherry-pick some fixes before doing that
[16:00] <debfx> at least the two kde-workspace fixes that have been mentioned on kde-packagers
[16:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: slow?
[16:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: long time before builds start
[16:10] <apachelogger> yah
[16:10] <apachelogger> I feel PPAs are becoming increasingly less useful
[16:10]  * apachelogger has a bug filing todo
[16:10] <apachelogger> automatic daily builds ought to have a super slow score
[16:10] <apachelogger> well
[16:11] <apachelogger> manual upload > manual recipe > automated recipe
[16:11] <apachelogger> it's pretty screwed up if you upload something and have to wait 10hrs+ because like 95% of the queue are silly daily builds
[16:14] <Riddell> mm yes
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: my kubuntu-web-shortcuts broke after the 4.9 upgrade :(
[16:16] <apachelogger> oh?
[16:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> yeah :( http://i.imgur.com/z7jNU.png
[16:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe just deactivated?
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what's the plugin called in krunhner?
[16:19] <apachelogger> web shortcuts
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> that's enabled :(
[16:19] <apachelogger> but the shortcuts themselves can be deactivated too
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> where is that configured?
[16:20] <apachelogger> type web shortcuts? :P
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/p2wwi.png
[16:20] <apachelogger> nah
[16:20] <apachelogger> I mean in krunner
[16:20] <apachelogger> its a kcm
[16:20] <apachelogger> ...
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> web shortcuts are enabled in the kcm
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> Account Details -> Web Shortcuts
[16:24] <apachelogger> then I do not know
[16:24] <apachelogger> someone broke it
[16:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do other shortcuts work?
[16:24] <apachelogger> kde:KColorScheme
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> hmm, nope
[16:26] <apachelogger> maybe the runner is not updated and now abi incompat bites? :P
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> webshortcuts runner is in kdebase-workspace-bin, and it's at 4.8.80
[16:28] <apachelogger> *shrug**
[16:28] <apachelogger> upstream broke something
[16:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: turn on debug and restart krunner from term
[16:28] <apachelogger> see what it sez
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: is this good for dbg? http://i.imgur.com/dftMI.png
[16:29] <apachelogger> EVERYTHING
[16:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, also please fix muon in quantal
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1030653/
[16:35] <apachelogger> QIODevice::setTextModeEnabled: The device is not open
[16:35] <apachelogger> runner broken
[16:36] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/495578/
[16:36] <apachelogger> should be like that
[16:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: you did not get the kontact errors anymore?
[16:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm afraid I did after installing your ppa1 package
[16:47] <apachelogger> bah
[16:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: which ones though?
[16:48]  * apachelogger scratches head why kds branch doesn't have latest changes Oo
[16:48] <apachelogger> ah lol
[16:48] <apachelogger> wrong branch
[16:49] <apachelogger> afiestas: did you get to test the ppa1 package?
[16:59]  * apachelogger wonders why kds is so fat
[17:00] <apachelogger> cursors > plymouth > ksplash
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: why do we have cursors in kds?
[17:00] <apachelogger> contrastlarge
[17:00] <apachelogger> does that even work with qt4?
[17:00] <afiestas> apachelogger: yes, it worked
[17:00] <afiestas> still I got 1 error
[17:00] <afiestas> dunno which one right now
[17:00] <apachelogger> afiestas: if you get a chance to check that would be good to know :)
[17:01] <apachelogger> afiestas: you tested ppa1, right?
[17:01] <afiestas> apachelogger: I tested the link you pasted me
[17:01] <apachelogger> ok, ppa1
[17:01] <apachelogger> curious that you still got an error
[17:01] <apachelogger> :/
[17:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/08/plasma-desktopVU6919.png
[17:01] <afiestas> the one about the maildir I seem to recall
[17:01] <afiestas> but not sure
[17:01] <apachelogger> I'll remove it from bzr due to brokeness
[17:01] <afiestas> I can test it again in a few hours
[17:02] <apachelogger> kk
[17:05]  * apachelogger actually wonders if the accessibility profiles work at all or make sense or are maintained...
[17:12]  * apachelogger giggles slightly
[17:22] <Mamarok> what is this idea of Jono to ask us KDE apps to put a link to an Ubuntu download page?
[17:23] <apachelogger> hm?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> agateau: did you happen to implement the notification stuff in ktp?
[17:24] <Mamarok> apachelogger: see discussion in #amarok
[17:25] <Mamarok> that Lilian person coming in and asking us to put an add button for Ubuntu on our webpage
[17:26] <apachelogger> oh
[17:26] <apachelogger> Mamarok: like opensuse oneclick that is
[17:26] <apachelogger> except it is inferior
[17:26] <apachelogger> though older I think
[17:26] <apachelogger> (from a tech perspective anyway)
[17:27] <apachelogger> Mamarok: lemme hunt someone down to make a kubuntu button though ;)
[17:27] <Mamarok> yep
[17:27]  * apachelogger points out as usual that he is not amused by ubuntu being the distro and the project
[17:31] <Mamarok> well, I am absolutely not comfortable with advertizing a non-KDE distro
[17:35] <Mamarok> apachelogger: thanks for your input :)
[17:36] <Mamarok> but we should maybe warn the other KDE apps to not get into that trap...
[17:36] <Mamarok> if we advertize a bunto flavor it is K :)
[17:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: cursors are for accessibility maybe?
[17:45] <Riddell> Mamarok: I like your spirit :)
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> wow, you would think that Canonical would notice/care a bit more that their partner stuff in their software center is totally broken... bug 1005209
[17:46] <Mamarok> Riddell: hey, normal, why would I put an add on our site for Ubuntu the desktop
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: well yes
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: but broken
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: and why they are in KDS is what puzzles me
[17:51] <apachelogger> they should be in a separate package
[17:51] <apachelogger> !info apturl precise
[17:51] <Mamarok> Lilian is a wordy person...
[17:51] <apachelogger> !info apturl quantal
[17:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: all the accessibility stuff is broken :(
[17:52] <Riddell> it hasn't been tested at all since kde 3 times
[17:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is what I feared
[17:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: so perhaps ... we should just rip the profiles out for the time being?
[17:53] <apachelogger> until someone picks up the effort again
[17:53]  * apachelogger is not terribly in favor of providing a broken experience rather than none
[17:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, and remove it from the CD boot menu
[17:55] <apachelogger> oh, for that I need to find the proper branch again ^^
[17:55] <Riddell> ubuntu-cdimage?
[17:55] <Riddell> I can never remember
[17:55] <Riddell> while you're at it, get our CD 1GB and building from universe :)
[17:56] <apachelogger> kk
[17:56]  * apachelogger needs to relogin right now tho
[17:57] <apachelogger> have been testing xmodmap now I have a solaris kbd
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> where did the control to un-private a bug go in LP?
[17:58] <yofel> JontheEchidna: still at the same place, just other description I think
[17:58] <yofel> they merged the privacy and security settings
[18:00] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[18:00] <apachelogger> how about SRUing rekonq?
[18:00] <yofel> can we?
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> yofel: shouldn't it be right here? http://i.imgur.com/g5q1f.png
[18:01] <yofel> *blink*
[18:01] <apachelogger> yofel: I can do everything
[18:01] <yofel> yeah... it *should* be there...
[18:02] <CIA-19> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/changelog releasing version 1:2.4.90-0ubuntu1
[18:02] <apachelogger> people on quantal please check you boot splash logo please
[18:02] <apachelogger> whether it looks weird or something
[18:03] <yofel> hm, I'm in the ~launchpad-beta-testers, so maybe just I have a different UI
[18:03] <yofel> but on staging it's fine for me
[18:07] <genii-around> apachelogger: Mine is just text Kubuntu 12.10 black text on grey background
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> your graphics driver doesn't support the fancy graphical splash
[18:08] <genii-around> Weird. Because the grub splash shows fine at 1680x945
[18:08]  * apachelogger blames JontheEchidna
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> iirc grub does not use kernel mode setting
[18:09] <apachelogger> righto
[18:09] <apachelogger> because the kernel is not loaded at that time :)
[18:10]  * apachelogger is too stupid to use filterdiff
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> basically no KMS == no fancy graphics before X starts
[18:11] <yofel> I don't see the splash anyway, I get a black screen instead
[18:11] <yofel> if kms is on
[18:12] <shadeslayer> hm, any idea where I can find the relevant upstart config file for KDM>
[18:12] <yofel> /etc/init/kdm.conf
[18:12] <shadeslayer> thx
[18:12] <apachelogger> diff -Nru rekonq-0.9.1/kwebapp/.git/COMMIT_EDITMSG rekonq-0.9.2/kwebapp/.git/COMMIT_EDITMSG
[18:12] <apachelogger> ...
[18:12] <genii-around> Hm
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please tell rekonq upstream to produce clean tars
[18:13] <shadeslayer> flame their ML!
[18:13]  * highvoltage read that as "clean tears" the first time :)
[18:13]  * shadeslayer is busy poking around kdm and upstart
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do that now
[18:13] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:13] <apachelogger> entire .git in there
[18:13] <apachelogger> spoooooooooky
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> yofel: of course, the privacy control shows up on firefox but not on webkit
[18:14]  * JontheEchidna seems to remember that happening in the past...
[18:14] <yofel> . . .
[18:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: I did some digging in the past, so feel free to ask
[18:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: will do
[18:14] <shadeslayer> looks kind of easy tbh
[18:15] <yofel> can get tricky, but pretty straight forward
[18:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: we just need to write /etc/init/kdm.conf with /opt/project-neon/bin/kdm
[18:15] <shadeslayer> instead of /usr/bin/kdm
[18:15] <yofel> uhm, no
[18:15] <shadeslayer> and bam, you can use neon kdm .. huh?
[18:16] <yofel> you copy that file, and set /opt/project-neon/bin/kdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[18:16] <yofel> that would be the proper way to do it at lesat
[18:16] <shadeslayer> then         [ ! -f /etc/X11/default-display-manager -o "$(cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager 2>/dev/null)" = "/usr/bin/kdm" ] || { stop; exit 0; } >
[18:16] <shadeslayer> isn't that broken ^
[18:16] <yofel> that's perfectly fine
[18:16] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:17] <shadeslayer> you mean /etc/X11/default-display-manager needs to have neon kdm as well
[18:17] <yofel> well, I mean if you do it right
[18:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/495656/
[18:17] <yofel> otherwise people can't *change* to a different DM
[18:17] <apachelogger> didn't you have proper code for that like years ago?
[18:17] <yofel> (that's the point of that check)
[18:17] <shadeslayer> agateau: yes
[18:17] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[18:17] <apachelogger> where did it go then?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> seems like they broke it again :|
[18:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:18] <apachelogger> they also broke it in .1 alltogether
[18:18] <apachelogger> that diff is .1 to .2
[18:18] <shadeslayer> :'(
[18:18] <apachelogger> which is why precise has broken apt handling
[18:18] <apachelogger> <- slightly pissed
[18:18] <apachelogger> yofel: rekonq looks SRUable, just documentation and translation updats and what seems to be them reverting their own breakage
[18:18] <shadeslayer> I wonder why they'll break it
[18:19] <shadeslayer> *I wonder why they broke it
[18:19] <yofel> go ahead then
[18:19] <shadeslayer> clearly I need more caffeine
[18:20] <apachelogger> rekonq dead
[18:20] <apachelogger> jesus
[18:20] <apachelogger> yofel: first ppa
[18:20] <apachelogger> I'll meanwhile SRU the apt change
[18:20] <apachelogger> let it dangle in ppa for a week or so, then move to proposed
[18:20] <apachelogger> 2 weeks of QA should be sufficient
[18:20]  * yofel goes scripting calligra-l10n
[18:21] <apachelogger> feel free to abstract kde-l10n so that it works for calligra-l10n :P :P
[18:21]  * apachelogger gdb attaches to rekonq
[18:21] <apachelogger> it's really terrible I get no work done because constantly something falls apart
[18:22]  * genii-around slides shadeslayer a fresh, strongly brewed coffee
[18:22] <shadeslayer> whee
[18:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and please don't forget my data
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yes I remember it
[18:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you feel like it you can go poke rekonq with a stick tho
[18:23] <shadeslayer> I'm noting down stuff as I come up with it
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no thx, I'm working on PN virtual images for distribution and such
[18:24] <apachelogger> yofel: does QA cause a lot of overhead for release packaging?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: about that, do you know of anything that can test graphical apps during run time?
[18:24] <apachelogger> yofel: file conflicts ...
[18:24] <shadeslayer> I remember something called Xtest or something 
[18:24] <yofel> apachelogger: where?
[18:25] <apachelogger> yofel: in the packages? :P
[18:25] <apachelogger> file moved from workspace to runtime
[18:25] <yofel> bah
[18:25] <apachelogger> would it help if that sorta thing would be autodetected?
[18:25] <yofel> well...
[18:25] <apachelogger> back in the early ninja days I spent most of my time actually QAing :P
[18:25] <apachelogger> then again KDE was moving files like mad
[18:26] <shadeslayer> *cough* FF5 *cough*
[18:26] <yofel> sure it would help, it would help a LOT actually, I'm just clueless how one would implement that
[18:26] <shadeslayer> !find vmbuilder.cfg
[18:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: splits aint moves
[18:26] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[18:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it ain't moves, but don't you still need to add breaks/replaces ? 
[18:27] <apachelogger> yofel: well, let me ask it this way ... would it also still help a lot iff it were detected after package building?
[18:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, but to one package
[18:27] <apachelogger> and you know that it needs a breaks replaces because it is a spit :P
[18:27] <shadeslayer> hm, probably misunderstood the question then, re reading
[18:27] <yofel> apachelogger: well, that's the only time when you *can* detect it, as you need to compare old and new install files
[18:28] <apachelogger> actually, no
[18:28] <apachelogger> you can do it before building
[18:28] <yofel> ok, package contents
[18:28] <apachelogger> I am not saying it makes sense to do it before building
[18:28] <apachelogger> but you can do it
[18:29] <apachelogger> yofel: well, I do have a plan, not sure if it makes sense tho
[18:29] <apachelogger> it came to me in a dream
[18:29] <apachelogger> yesterday evening after the 5th beer or so
[18:29] <apachelogger> it's all about logs I say
[18:30] <apachelogger> logs and binaries actually, tho primarily logs
[18:33] <apachelogger> rbelem: ping
[18:34] <shadeslayer> vmbuilder sure is poorly documented
[18:34] <apachelogger> like so many things
[18:34]  * apachelogger is annoyed by how often rekonq likes to lock up
[18:37] <BluesKaj> rekonq is annoying in many ways , unfortunately
[18:48] <ScottK> Every web browser is annoying in many ways.
[19:36] <Daskreech> hey 
[19:37] <Daskreech> installed Kubuntu active on a laptop and now no matter what session is chosen from the login you get the plasma active interface
[19:38] <Daskreech> also logout doesn't work
[20:38] <rbelem> apachelogger, pong
[20:49] <apachelogger> rbelem: where is that license scan thing you are working on?
[20:50] <rbelem> apachelogger, it is on http://gitorious.org/copyright-tools
[20:50] <apachelogger> cheers
[20:51] <rbelem> apachelogger, soon i will use an IR algorithm
[20:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm working on it mith a mentor :-)
[20:52] <apachelogger> neato
[20:52] <apachelogger> ^^
[21:54] <debfx> JontheEchidna: why did you drop useful qtcreator delta like xz compression, out-of-source building, ...?
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> Xz was an oversight, but I didn't see anything about out-of-source building....
[21:57] <debfx> --builddirectory=builddir, dh_auto_configure -- $(CURDIR)
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> ah, I misread what debian did, I thought they just added --list-missing
[22:06] <debfx> in general I think the qtcreator diff should be pushed to Debian and not the other way around
[22:16] <apachelogger> debfx++
[22:40] <apachelogger> version fail -.-
[22:40] <apachelogger> oh well
[22:40] <apachelogger> rekonq update pushed to updates ppa
[22:41]  * apachelogger wonders why that ppa is empty
[22:58] <apachelogger> oh right, there was a ubiquity crash that needed looking into
[22:58] <afiestas> have we tunned the timminig on kwin effects?
[22:59] <apachelogger> afiestas: no?
[22:59] <apachelogger> I would hope martin does plenty of tuning already?
[23:06] <afiestas> apachelogger: he doesn't
[23:07] <apachelogger> # showing warning message is error is set
[23:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: what was this you once said about quality of code comments?
[23:07] <afiestas> I like how them work 
[23:07] <apachelogger> afiestas: that aint good then
[23:07] <apachelogger> also I don't know the next thing about them ^^
[23:09] <afiestas> nono
[23:09] <afiestas> I like them in Kubunut
[23:09] <afiestas> I don't like them in my workstation (arch plus master)
[23:10] <apachelogger> ah
[23:10] <apachelogger> might be driver related though
[23:11] <afiestas> nope, workstation doens't lose a frme
[23:11] <afiestas> *frame
[23:11] <afiestas> maybe it is the dual screen though
[23:43] <apachelogger> The following errors were encountered:
[23:43] <apachelogger> (, 'newMessage', 'launchpad.Edit')
[23:44] <apachelogger> nice
[23:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do something
[23:52]  * apachelogger bored
[23:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wat, rekonq works fine from git here
[23:52] <shadeslayer> stupid python
[23:53] <apachelogger> yah
[23:53] <apachelogger> killall kded4
[23:53] <apachelogger> try again
[23:53] <apachelogger> :P
[23:53] <shadeslayer> uncool
[23:53] <apachelogger> u know
[23:53] <apachelogger> we could just stop using launchpad bugs
[23:53] <apachelogger> no one triages them anyway
[23:56] <shadeslayer> sure, I'm fine with that
[23:56] <shadeslayer> 2.0409423735% uploaded
[23:56] <shadeslayer> hah
[23:56] <shadeslayer> too much precision :P
[23:57] <shadeslayer> me is off to sleep
[23:57] <shadeslayer> night
[23:58]  * apachelogger is off to beer for lack of motivation triaging all the crap no one else triages
[23:58] <apachelogger> night
[23:59] <shadeslayer> yeah, bugs.launchpad.net is a minefield :|
[23:59] <shadeslayer> better than bugs.kde.org though