[08:31] <frankban> hi gmb, do you have time for a quick review?
[08:32] <gmb> frankban, Sure.
[08:37] <frankban> gmb: thanks, https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/launchpad/bug-1002820-rabbitfixture-longer-timeout/+merge/109309
[08:38] <gmb> frankban, Approved
[08:38] <frankban> great, thanks
[12:11] <gary_poster> bemji frankban gmb https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/134382c2ef812724970d2520f720c648ea56dd6e?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[12:11] <gary_poster> sorry for no early warning system today
[13:07] <garyposter> sigh
[13:24]  * gmb -> late lunch
[13:25] <gary_poster> benji http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0035151 fwiw
[13:26] <benji> gary_poster: cool, that's not one I have seen
[13:50] <gary_poster> benji https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/bf942fda1d2e3e29994643e61e1e296182ca35fd?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[13:52] <frankban> benji, can I safely break a bzr lock held by benji@bazaar.launchpad.net on bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/lp-source-dependencies/?
[13:52] <gary_poster> frankban, yes :-)
[13:52] <benji> frankban: yes, please
[16:22] <benji> gary_poster: I'm alive!
[16:25] <gary_poster> benji, yay :-)
[16:25] <gary_poster> what's your plan, benji?
[16:30] <benji> gary_poster: first plan was to not sit on the back porch, too warm ;)
[16:30] <benji> plan now is to keep on keepin' on with you if you're available and amenable
[16:31]  * benji forgot his power supply and thus hopes the 5 hour predicted battery life is close to reality.
[16:31] <gary_poster> heh
[16:32] <gary_poster> benji, ok cool lemme start up hangout
[16:32] <benji> k
[16:32] <gary_poster> benji https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f2f338d24177ca95a5ce1399b8ceb839a27c1bb5?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[16:59] <gmb> gary_poster: Response from SpamapS:
[16:59] <gmb> [17:43] SpamapS:
[16:59] <gmb> gmb: I do plan to get your python modules into Debian/quantal *soon*
[16:59] <gmb> [17:43] SpamapS:
[16:59] <gmb> gmb: you're just suffering from an unfortunate series of events of very high priority ;)
[17:00] <gary_poster> gmb, heh
[17:00] <gary_poster> um
[17:00] <gary_poster> ok
[17:00] <gary_poster> I guess
[17:00] <gmb> gary_poster: I've asked if there's anything we can do - including suggesting that we ask for help from other packagers, but no answer yet.
[17:00] <gary_poster> cool thank you
[17:00] <gmb> He's in the middle of a conversation with hazmat at the moment.
[17:00] <gary_poster> cool
[17:00] <gmb> I always seem to talk to Clint when he's doing seventeen other things and juggling kittens, too.
[17:00] <gary_poster> heh
[18:37] <benji> gary_poster: compared to yours mine have been hit with the -q stick, but I would appreciate any input you have on my goal draft: https://pastebin.canonical.com/67746/
[19:04] <gmb> gary_poster: I'm not here any more, but there was discussion in #juju on Freenode between SpamapS and imbrandon about getting things packaged; imbrandon may be taking on the work; I can't tell (and SpamapS said "given that buildbot is being all but abandoned, is anything else going to use the python charm helpers," which I thought was missing the point a bit.)
[19:05] <gmb> So it might be worth you checking in with them given the fact that I'm not actually here, nor am I saying these things, I'm just a figment of a deranged imagination, kthxbye.
[19:16] <gary_poster> benji, good.  line 4 typo beuilding.  I kinda would like more pointing at measuring and such but it is definitely your style: I can fill in the blanks relatively easily :-)
[19:17] <benji> gary_poster: :)
[19:17] <gary_poster> gmb thanks for heads up.  m_3 says everything should turn out ok
[19:18] <benji> I was intentionally leaving measuring out so that we can use the measrument(s) that make most sense at the end of the goal period because we don't really know what they mean in particular
[19:19] <benji> Things always seem to have changed so much by the end of the year that I expect any measurments we define now will be meaningless then.
[19:19] <gary_poster> benji, the only theme that gets slightly short shrift in my eyes is "feedback loop to improve our delivery".  It is implied in the last goal in particular
[19:19] <benji> and we'll have to figure out new meeasurments anyway
[19:20] <benji> yep, it would be a good idea to mention feedback loops in that one particular
[19:20] <gary_poster> benji, agreed.  As you saw, I moved away from "measurements" to "demonstrations" for my own goals.  Your golas imply them
[19:20] <gary_poster> goals
[19:21] <gary_poster> because I'd expect the answers to say "I did this, which led to that; and I did this which led to that" and so on
[19:23] <benji> gary_poster: so would you like me to add "more pointing at measuring" or do you think this is sufficient?
[19:30] <gary_poster> benji I'm ok with it
[19:30] <gary_poster> as is
[19:30] <benji> gary_poster: I added a feedback loop refrence to the last one: https://pastebin.canonical.com/67751/
[19:32] <gary_poster> benji hard to understand now.  Maybe divide up into smaller sentences? um...
[19:32] <benji> hmm
[19:33] <gary_poster> benji, or cut out middle:
[19:33] <gary_poster> Use visualization and/or data analysis to assist the squad by providing input for our
[19:33] <gary_poster>   proccess-improvement feedback loop.
[19:33] <benji> here's another try: https://pastebin.canonical.com/67752/
[19:34] <gary_poster> benji, sold
[19:34] <benji> I wanted to keep our current project in there, because it's not just about how to do things better, but also to figure out what to do
[19:34] <benji> cool
[19:53] <benji> gary_poster: my battery is screaming at me; so I guess I need to change locations back to where my power supply is
[19:53] <gary_poster> benji, :-/ k
[19:53] <gary_poster> you can probably see that we still do not have a launchpad instance
[20:27] <benji> gary_poster: do we have a slave?
[20:57] <gary_poster> benji, sorry missed that, and no, and I don't know why :-(
[20:57] <gary_poster> but I might as well kill at it at this point...
[20:57] <gary_poster> although
[20:57] <benji> hmm
[20:57] <benji> yeah
[20:57] <gary_poster> I am still curious :-)
[20:57] <benji> I've been working on a termbeamer bug.
[20:57] <gary_poster> so I may give it a bit longer
[20:57] <gary_poster> cool