=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:32] On the mailing list, is top or bottom posting preferred? I remember there being a big discussion about it a while ago, but I can't remember the outcome [02:28] I prefer top posting [02:31] man, my life was almost over for a second there XD [02:31] 8800GT finally gave up...I almost had to go down to two monitors [02:31] but I got the 9500GT out of the TV and I'm back in business [02:36] out of the TV? [05:47] http://ubuntuone.com/6N2DJGKmKBS6yovnomH9GG [05:47] WHY IS IT SO BIG? [05:49] good marketing ! [05:49] i bet it doesn't do that on unity [05:50] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315893 [05:50] Debian bug 315893 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel: svg-icons don't scale properly" [Minor,Open] [05:51] hmm,nope [05:53] * Knightwise sighs .. Conky .. me love you and your freaky dials [05:58] well this is odd [06:05] does anybody know if its hard to recompile conky for ppc ? [06:05] i would like to get those dails running on my G4 imac [06:22] ah, i found the problem [06:22] it's a bug in supermeatboy packaging [06:26] supermeatboy [06:26] sounds ... wrong :p [06:26] "Super Meat Boy is a tough as nails platformer where you play as an [06:26] animated cube of meat who's trying to save his girlfriend (who [06:26] happens to be made of bandages) from an evil fetus in a jar wearing a [06:26] tux." [06:28] i think LSD is part of the game designers foodgroups [06:30] hmm i think i borked launchpad [06:31] i can sort of see supermeatboy if i go to "also affects distribution" and search for it, but i can't add it because it isn't in any distribution [06:35] bug 1010336 [06:35] Launchpad bug 1010336 in Launchpad itself "braid, supermeatboy etc show up in "also affects distribution" search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010336 [07:06] Morning all [07:09] Morning [07:49] morning all [07:54] good morning pretties [07:54] aloha [07:54] christel: hows you my dearest? [07:54] i am well! thyself? :) [07:54] not bad [07:55] I may strangle the mothership [07:55] oooh? :) [08:01] morning all [08:10] good morning AlanBell :) [08:13] does anyone know where super meat boy saves game data? [08:19] ali1234: "strings" the binary and grep? ;) [08:22] morrrnin [08:24] * Ng sulks at the Orange San Diego. I was all excited about the idea of grabbing a Medfield device for £200, but it's running an ancient Android version :< [08:25] Ng: They are upgrading it shortly from what I read [08:25] diplo: oh really [08:26] howdy Knightwise [08:26] yeah, trying to find my source :) [08:27] 'Asked if San Diego buyers could expect an Ice Cream Sandwich upgrade this summer, [general manager of Intel’s Mobile and Communications Group] Bell replied: “The next quarter is my guess.”' [08:27] hough an Orange representative told us that Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) will arrive, but only in October, at which point Android 4.0 ICS will have been out for almost a year. [08:27] Source: The Inquirer (http://s.tt/1d4MW) [08:27] ouch [08:28] that's so insane [08:28] Jelly Bean will be announced in like 3 weeks and will presumably ship in about October [08:28] I wonder if you can root it and install a vanilla image [08:29] I'd say 99% likely hood, all depends whether xda devs or cyagen mods get their hands on one [08:29] I guess [08:29] is that the intel phone? [08:30] why on earth would you want such a thing? [08:30] Cheapness I guess [08:30] popey: I'm curious at the idea of a tiny £200 x86 device with all sorts of radios and a built-in UPS [08:31] popey: also, tony is in the office! [08:35] he is! [08:37] Happy Friday, folks! :) [08:41] aloha [08:41] whoo 3 day weeks fly :) [08:57] * AlanBell votes for more 3 day weeks [08:59] yes, lets have one every week [09:00] Good morning peeps :) [09:02] popey: what do you think of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1010336 is it really a bug? [09:02] Ubuntu bug 1010336 in Launchpad itself "braid, supermeatboy etc show up in "also affects distribution" search" [Undecided,New] [09:02] * diplo +1's AlanBell :) [09:02] can we also have some bank holidays still so then there are 2 day weeks? [09:02] Such great ideas!! [09:02] :P [09:03] Well I am much more knowledgeable on uefi [09:04] ali1234: not sure.. maybe ask in #launchpad ? [09:06] * AlanBell installs the U1 "are you even trying?" indicator [09:08] o/ [09:09] AlanBell: the what now? [09:09] daubers: All moved in to new place now ? [09:09] diplo: More or less. Dropping off the keys to the old flat at lunchtime [09:09] about a dozen boxes left to sort out [09:09] U1 is acting weird with publishing files again [09:09] it keeps forgetting that a file is published if i reopen nautilus [09:10] Nice, it's good once everything is complete [09:10] bigcalm: U1 takes days to upload files for me (I added a folder on sunday, it completed on tuesday) [09:10] Nice [09:10] I added some stuff to the folder yesterday and it is still "starting" [09:11] → #ubuntuone [09:12] This is an odd situation. I really can't do any work until I get replies from two emails. Maybe I should have some breakfast [09:13] * bigcalm zooms off to subway :D === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk_away_afk === schwuk_away_afk is now known as schwuk === AlanChicken is now known as alanbell === alanbell is now known as AlanBell === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon [09:38] good morning everyone. [09:43] \o [09:43] o/ [10:09] morning all [10:15] * gord has weird diy japanese candy mid morning snack [10:15] * AlanBell dips into the official company biscuit tin [10:16] * gord calls embezzlement on AlanBell [10:17] anyone got tips on things to monitor with nagios? [10:17] doing number of users/load/disk space/number of procs at the moment [10:17] just working out how to do memory/swap [10:17] AlanBell: I do basics until the needs arises, so anything that may cause the server we are using issues [10:18] I don't go full on with every server [10:18] So a lot I just monitor that they are up and running, and / or that vital services are running like httpd etc [10:19] bristol: a wet and windy city. [10:20] It was awful last night Laney [10:20] Drove back from the cinema there, trees/branches etc everywhere :/ [10:21] indeed [10:21] this is my first time visiting \o/ [10:21] Bath is nicer, not a great fan of Bristol [10:21] Work or play? [10:21] play [10:22] Visiting anywhere in particular ? [10:22] I live about 20 miles away I guess, otherside of Bath [10:24] no really specific plans [10:24] we have a friend who runs a cafe, will be visiting their today [10:24] otherwise various explorations. someone recommended we check out the 'bear pit' [10:25] gotta dash! speak later [10:25] have fun! [10:35] AlanBell - are you setting it up for the first time? i'd research icinga if i were you, having spent years suffering nagios :P [10:36] arsen_: well I wanted to use stuff in the repos [10:36] though you can monitor any infrastructure, from exchange mail queues to simple server stats, cross site is always important to ensure nagios is up, as are other locations [10:36] exchange mail queues is something I don't need to worry about :) [10:36] uptime, disks, mem, load, tcp ports and running services (apache/postfix/sendmail whatever) [10:37] and yeah, the nagios server is not where the things being monitored are [10:37] also mk multisite is worth a look too. [10:37] rrdtool for graphs also. [10:37] would like some more pretty graphs [10:38] nagios is kind of traffic lights only rather than squiggly graphs from what I have seen so far [10:39] cacti [10:39] http://docs.pnp4nagios.org/pnp-0.6/start [10:40] for graphs [10:40] pnp4nagios is also popular [10:40] cacti was what i was trying to remmeber earlier :D [10:40] there's another opensource graphing system i cant remember what it's called :/ [10:40] but its awesome for building quick graphs and overlaying multiple sources etc [10:41] AlanBell: Not sure if you saw my message a few days ago but Icinga do have a PPA [10:41] I never liked cacti (or rrdtool) [10:41] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icinga [10:41] maybe i was thinking of graphpite [10:41] yeah, so not in the repos ;) [10:42] icinga is a fork, looks much more modern [10:42] nagios is a bit clunky in the way it works, check_mk is much better if you're going to use it extensively [10:42] what do you install on the things you are monitoring for icinga? [10:43] does it talk to the nagios-nrpe-server agent or have it's own thing? [10:44] not sure :) [10:44] ive just been advised to look into icinga [10:45] I keep meaning to try it, but Nagios works ok :) [10:53] when i connect a wired network connection, the option to connect to a vpn goes away..normal? [10:58] bug 115750 perhaps? [10:58] Launchpad bug 5364 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #115750 Can't use static ip address with network-manager (and thus no VPN connections menu for static users)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5364 [10:58] no [10:59] bug 980555 [10:59] Launchpad bug 980555 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Missing options in network-manger on boot" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980555 [11:03] cheers popey, i'm running gnome-failback so i'll log out later to try in unity3d [11:04] I had the VPN settings thing disappear on me. IIRC after a restart it came back. [11:13] TheOpenSourcerer, on a wired connection? [11:13] i see it on wireless [11:24] TheOpenSourcerer, works after a restart, cheers :D [11:24] bit buggy that [11:27] DJones: btw, is your first name david? [11:28] Yep [11:29] i'll be glad when this debconf window stops appearing multiple times while installing packages in software center. has plagued me on loads of machines i've used [11:29] (know bug) [11:31] so then you are "Davey Jones" ? :D [11:32] Yes, I was the Monkey that couldn't sing, lost my locker and changed my name to david bowie === GingeryDog is now known as GingerDog === schwuk is now known as schwuk_afk [13:09] ah, so overcast you have to put the lights on, this is the british summer i know [13:10] \o/ [13:11] gord: coming to the workplace day next week? [13:12] not if the weather is like this ;) where is it now anyway? thought we got kicked out of the little area [13:15] gord: it's in the cafe bit [13:15] We're in the cafe, it's ok [13:15] gord: much warmer [13:16] Heh [13:17] do we not have anywhere else we can go? i mean if we are gonna be in the cafe we might as well be in starbucks or something that has nicer coffee ;) [13:17] mungojerry's nick still makes me think of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc9wIzi96_E [13:18] gord: and much more expensive? [13:25] I get the feeling that the people I'm emailing are at lunch [13:25] Maybe I should do the same === schwuk_afk is now known as schwuk [13:44] the next version of windows server will have metro UI LOL [13:46] Really?!? [13:47] I thought with things like core they might slowly drop some of the swishy stuff that I thought might make it's way [13:47] thats what a MS person told me [13:47] CHOO CHOO [13:48] means they aren't just planningthat it is used for tablets [13:48] Did you say, 'Dear god NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' Or of that ilk ? [13:48] don't see why a server shouldn't have a UI [13:48] Not against a UI, just not metro [13:48] the novell netware server had an excellent server UI [13:48] are you on a train christel? [13:48] ahhhh, netware 3.. happy days [13:49] In my Ubuntu Server survery I said I really think they should make more admin tools for servers for the GUI using Rapache as an example [13:49] no, i just excitedly remembered we will go on the RAT soon-ish! [13:49] \o/ [13:49] My compnay I used to work for would have more happily used it I reckon, just didn't like me and colleague being the only ones who could 'do' CLI stuff [13:50] i'm setting up some windows infrastrcture. it takes 30 VMs to do what about 3-5 would do on linux [13:50] netware 3.12 with a 50Ω terminator that goes on your keyring [13:50] christel: yay, RAT [13:50] hooray :D [13:50] I only ever saw Novell roaming profiles stuff at Wiltshire college and that was about as close as I ever got to it [13:52] I hate windows it takes so long to do anything with it [13:52] Dunno, I think all these things have there places. [13:56] When you receive an email, the time that you get in the client is picked up from when the email was sent, or when it was received to the client or the mail server ? [13:56] I've just received an email timed 08:11, but it's 14:56 [13:56] Never had this before, so not looked into it :) [13:56] diplo: view the full headers, there is normally a heap of timestamps [13:57] yeah, time is 13:58 or something close to that, was my first port of call [13:57] Was wondering where the 8am part was read from [13:57] Checked the time on the mail server as well, and had a few other emails [13:57] * diplo goggles [13:58] this wind is crazt [13:58] considering it's june [13:59] had to work from home cos a tree blew on my line...it's like an epsiode of thomas the tank engine [13:59] I drove back from the cinema last night near 11:30 ish [13:59] working from home is great cos every 1/2 hour my 2yr old runs in for a cuddle and to jump on me [13:59] Branches / trees down all over [14:00] the rain is sideways atm [14:02] oimon2: Are you lying on your side? The rain here is vertical [14:03] There's hardly any wind near us === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan [14:05] Blowing a gail nr bath [14:05] had a few branches off big tree here today [14:05] not as bad as oimon2 though [14:05] oimon2: Where abouts are you [14:06] ewww i think i might have to reinstall this box, since installing xfce , my unity notifcations have become xfce ones [14:06] n london DJones === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [14:07] That explains it, its down south :) One of the people I work with was invited to a wedding on teh south coast today but couldn't go, a beach wedding, definately not the best day for that [14:08] it's like october [14:13] why does everyone on my train have "beats" headphones? [14:14] because they are damn good. also mr Dre sponsors them [14:15] how does everyone know they are good ? [14:15] and are they better than the rest? [14:15] ipod earphones are terrible, but everyone wore those [14:15] review sites? trying them on from a friend? [14:15] i tried on a friends [14:15] bass is incredible, no headphones i ever tried can reproduce the bass quite like them [14:16] personally I usually choose headphones that I like the look of, most of my music is terrible quality anyway because I'm too lazy to re-rip all the stuff I ripped years ago [14:16] bass is overated :P [14:16] Owned by HTC now aren't they, or did they just license it [14:17] 50% owned [14:17] they probably just licence it [14:17] i'm surprised because headphones onthe train used to be uncommon [14:18] then suddenly everyone has them [14:18] even plugged in their phone (therefore probably low qualioty encoding) [14:19] those particular headphones are a luxury though, much more expensive then they are worth [14:19] May take a look, I want a decent set for the bike/walking [14:19] ah ok [14:19] so partly a fashion /status symvol [14:19] they are fantastic, but not worth what you pay [14:20] how much are they? [14:21] i do sound engineering on the weekends, but headphone quality is something slightly different when you're on the mixing desk [14:21] £223 on amazon [14:21] oof [14:21] 150 quid for the smaller ones [14:21] the 223 is on offer too, normally £279.95 [14:22] quite different from the naff ipod ear piece [14:22] with their nasty leaky sound [14:23] I spent £80 on my headphones for gaming ten years ago and it nearly made me cry [14:23] ipod earphones are just terrible, no idea why anyone would subject themselves to those [14:23] But were and probably still are the best pair I ever bought [14:23] it's like they are inside out [14:23] But £223 is just to extreme for me [14:23] i like sennheiser [14:23] I'm stuck with ipod ones at the mo, lost my others :( [14:23] These were Plantronics, not even sure if it's still going [14:24] i wonder how much the dre fella gets for having his name on them. it's not like he made them or anyting [14:24] USB set that had some gizmo to make it sound better within the cable [14:24] sennheiser are great, but i've had a niggle that annoys me about every single set of sennheiser cans i bought... it bugs me enough until i upgrade to a more expensive pair. its a scam i tell you [14:24] what niggle? [14:24] oh my current pair, the bass is pretty terrible [14:24] i have some of their cheap in ear ones [14:25] for in ear stuff i've found sony to be better for a similar price [14:25] pretty happy except when the cable bounces against my jacket it makes noise [14:25] but i don't get in ear anymore, they never come with detachable leads so they die far too quickly [14:26] my colleague has detachable ones [14:27] using http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-MDR-NC60-Quality-Cancelling-Headphones/dp/B000OQ5OO mostly these days, fantastic for the plane [14:28] working from home is a fail when the adsl keeps going wobbly [14:29] £85 :( [14:29] thats not bad [14:29] Can't wait till I'm better off again [14:29] if you use something a lot and it's good and comfortable why not pay for it [14:29] and quality is important imo [14:29] I'd rather pay more for something than replace something over and over as it was cheap [14:30] Oh I would, but I now live on £300 a month after bills to feed me and kids and fuel. It's a got to be seriously needed for me to buy stuff now :( [14:30] mine cost around £20 and are quite good imo [14:30] diplo: nods [14:30] czajkowski, yeah, i was paying way too much replacing cheap rubbish every year, these have lasted a good while and will last a good while longer [14:31] Appointment with mortage advisor on Tuesday though [14:31] * oimon2 keeps stuff like new [14:31] for years [14:31] * diplo hopes to be £250 better off at the end of July each month [14:31] IBM remote console =epic fail [14:32] gord: until the cat gets at them and chews them [14:32] diplo: New house? Or just remortgage? [14:32] czajkowski, replaceable lead :) just get another 3.5mm cable and fixed [14:32] heh [14:33] my orange ones have an uber long cable [14:33] very handy till I forget they ar eplugged in and go walk about and yank em off my noggin [14:33] Remortage daubers [14:34] My five year fixed finishes on July 31st [14:34] if my adsl goes down due to high errors, noise etc and requires reboot, would you blame the line or the modem? [14:34] Paying £850 a month at the mo, last time I spoke to them they were sure it would be more like £600 [14:34] both [14:34] Will be the best thing that's happened to me in the last two years [14:35] May be able to afford to come out to one of the next meet ups then [14:35] diplo: \o/ [14:35] Not used to living on nothing, was a big wake up call [14:47] oimon yes, both [14:47] actually it is most likely caused by incompatibility between your modem and the dslam [14:47] i don't usually get errors [14:48] it only just started happening? [14:48] but suddenly after 20hrs my line goes down and a reboot of the modem fixes it [14:48] not really, been happening for ages [14:48] ok [14:48] so that's typical [14:48] i just don't notice it much cos i'm at work in the day [14:48] you don't get errors, it just stops working, usually in the middle of the day [14:48] this is exactly what happened to me [14:49] day or night, i do get errors [14:49] when i check the status page there are [14:49] yes but errors are recoverable [14:49] my poor 8800GT suffered a serious case of melting. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120607_151219.jpg :( [14:49] so, what modem do you have and what type of ADSL? [14:49] there are CRC error up and FEC down values quite high [14:49] hauwei hg250b and talk talk [14:50] basically what happened was something like this [14:50] first there was ADSL and everything was fine [14:51] they they made ADSL2+, and there are two manufacturers of DSLAM [14:51] and they're supposed to be compatible, but they are not [14:51] ADSL2+ modems are all designed to work with one or the other because, funnily enough, their chipsets are designed by the same people as the DSLAMs [14:52] if you mix them, you get exactly what you are seeing: disconnections every few hours that require a reboot [14:52] and then you also have the ADSL modems with firmware upgrades to support 2+ which do exactly the same thing [14:52] talktalk specify only certain modems to work with their service [14:53] although i've had mine a while so maybe they've moved on [14:53] and also ADSL2+ modems forced to use ADSL(1) because of a bad quality line will also do it [14:53] they supplie the modem [14:53] it's a ADSL2 one [14:53] so, if your line is ADSL(1) you won't get disconnections with an ADSL(1) modem, but you will with an ADSL2+ one [14:54] its a adsl2 line [14:54] well i assume.. [14:55] so given all that nonsense, this is what happened to me [14:55] my ISP was ADSL(1) [14:55] then they moved to ADSL2+ and my modem mysteriously started disconnecting me [14:55] then i discovered all of the above and bought a new one [14:55] ah,m thats differnt [14:56] but something else: when the ISP switched, they also switched to unbundled [14:56] talktalk gave me a modem that works with their adsl2 service [14:56] however 3 years later i wonder if stuff has changed [14:56] before they used BT DSLAMs, after they used cable and wireless [14:56] and guess what... BT and C&W use the two incompatible systems [14:56] and of course this happened when they got bought by another bigger ISP [14:57] another thing is that the ISP likes to tweak the training algorithm to give you absolute maximum speed at the cost of stability [14:58] so the line gets more and more unstable over time, until you ring up and complain and they manually lower it [14:58] maybe thats the case [14:58] i've never rung my isp [14:58] talktalk are pretty useless [14:58] you ring them and they are really helpful and seem to understand and say they'll fix it, and then nothing happens... repeatedly [14:59] cant log into clients server... 'Too many authentication failures for root'. obviously they use the 'root' account, with ssh on 22 with pw login [15:00] hey, is there a website like etherpad, but it's a hexeditor? [15:01] dogmatic69: They do here where I work :/ [15:01] Slowly getting them to change [15:05] :/ [15:05] is there a way to clear this so I can scp? I am logged in on another terminal so can do anything needed [15:05] Remove from known_hosts? [15:05] * dogmatic69 installed fail2ban in the mean time, changed ssh keys [15:05] ? [15:05] how will that help? [15:06] not sure actually, thinking of soemthing else [15:06] :D [15:06] 2 secs [15:06] normally when I get that it just disconnects, not stops me from logging on [15:06] there must be a log / counter on the box that says user root failed x logins [15:06] need fail2ban or the like to stop it i thought [15:06] ye, 'received disconnect from too many auth failures for root' [15:07] what can it mean? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1030504/ [15:07] MaxAuthTries 30 [15:07] is that in ssh? [15:07] ssh config* [15:08] ssh -vvv and get the verbose output [15:08] yeah [15:08] But I'd see what it's actually doing [15:08] ah, I will just make that 5000 or something for now [15:08] Do you want to login as root ? [15:11] diplo: that is the only account [15:11] ssh -vvv does some handshake, offers a few keys then dies [15:12] PermitRootLogin is set to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? [15:14] been using the account for days like this [15:15] Hmm, Nautilus isn't showing any of my drives [15:15] and when I go to "Go > Computer" it says "Nautilus cannot handle "computer" locations" [15:15] Restarted sshd yet dogmatic69 ? [15:16] drive=`echo -n $drivelong|cut -c2-$endchar|small` [15:16] Anyone know what small is ? [15:16] small is one of Rabbit's friends and relations [15:20] bah, internal script :/ [15:25] diplo: ye [15:25] not made a diff [15:27] and upped the max permitted logins ? [15:34] no [15:34] My internet is messing about [15:34] damn terminal keeps locking up [15:39] popey: You were looking for a case for you pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1354 [15:47] Quick q for python gurus...how do I open then iterate over a file (containing a json structure) like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1030569/ [15:47] I have the simplejson module [15:48] easy [15:48] simplejson gives you a dictionary object [15:49] according to that paste you have a dictionary with one object called "data" which is a list of dictionaries [15:50] so you'd do for item in json['data']: for key,value in item.iterkeys(): print key, value [15:51] more likely though, if it's a list of similar objects, you just want to iterate the top level list [15:52] for item in json['data']: [15:52] TypeError: 'module' object has no attribute '__getitem__' [15:52]