| brousch | I'm poking at a Flask app. I had forgotten how delightfully simple it is | 02:09 |
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| rick_h | yea, flask can be sweet for small simple stuff | 02:25 |
| snap-l | new router is installed | 03:17 |
| rick_h | woot, snap-l with super wireless now | 10:47 |
| rick_h | kind of cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6NdhSPZk8M&feature=youtube_gdata_player | 11:03 |
| snap-l | As you may have seen, both Last.fm and LinkedIn have had a number of | 11:56 |
| snap-l | passwords compromised. As a precaution, ALL Libre.fm user passwords | 11:56 |
| snap-l | have been reset to a random, secure password. | 11:56 |
| snap-l | Apparently Libre.fm felt left out | 11:57 |
| rick_h | hah | 11:57 |
| MaskedDriver | morning | 12:16 |
| rick_h | party | 12:16 |
| rick_h | TGIF | 12:16 |
| MaskedDriver | aye | 12:16 |
| MaskedDriver | Heading up to Traverse City today at noon so it's a halfer for me :) | 12:16 |
| brousch | What's in Traverse City? | 12:17 |
| rick_h | I was just up there a couple of weekends ago | 12:17 |
| rick_h | nice beach, great little downtown area | 12:18 |
| rick_h | lots of bike paths it seemed, wish we'd brought the bike up | 12:18 |
| MaskedDriver | it's where a lot of breweries and wineries are there | 12:18 |
| brousch | Bah, just go to Holland or Grand Haven or South Haven or Saugatuck | 12:18 |
| MaskedDriver | get rid of the last "there" in my sentence | 12:18 |
| brousch | Or St Joseph | 12:19 |
| brousch | My Mom loves Traverse City because they would go there as kids, but I don't really see what it has over most of the West MI towns and beaches | 12:20 |
| rick_h | north always > west :P | 12:21 |
| brousch | Alaska > Oregon? | 12:22 |
| rick_h | I mean MI, but hey...it's possible | 12:22 |
| brousch | Lake Superior !> Lake MI | 12:23 |
| brousch | Freezing cold and black flies | 12:23 |
| MaskedDriver | Why do people insist on clicking submit buttons multiple times? | 12:24 |
| MaskedDriver | and then get mad at me when there are duplicates | 12:24 |
| rick_h | woot! laptop is shipped in the status window | 12:24 |
| rick_h | MaskedDriver: I always keep thinking it'd be two lines of JS to disable the submit button when clicked, but don't do that myself | 12:25 |
| MaskedDriver | rick_h I'm tired of fixing stupid | 12:26 |
| MaskedDriver | 90% of my day is spent stupid-proofing the system I built | 12:26 |
| rick_h | yea, that's just part of life | 12:26 |
| MaskedDriver | The same 4 people screw it up after e-mail after e-mail after e-mail after training after training after training | 12:26 |
| MaskedDriver | so management gives up and makes me dirty up my code to fix it for those 4 people. 50 other people use it with no issues | 12:27 |
| MaskedDriver | but it just makes me laugh that it's suddenly my fault (in the 4 peoples' eyes) when they do something we explicitely tell them NOT to do | 12:28 |
| rick_h | usability matters :P | 12:29 |
| MaskedDriver | 8% of people with issues seems pretty usable | 12:30 |
| rick_h | 8% is a big number, unemployment sized :P | 12:30 |
| MaskedDriver | lol | 12:30 |
| MaskedDriver | those 8% need unemployment | 12:30 |
| MaskedDriver | cause they screw up everything | 12:30 |
| MaskedDriver | not just in my system | 12:31 |
| MaskedDriver | one of them lost $20,000 for the company | 12:31 |
| MaskedDriver | he's still here | 12:31 |
| brousch | MaskedDriver: Ignore rick_h. I feel your pain. | 12:31 |
| MaskedDriver | It's common internet protocol.. You don't click Submit buttons multiple times | 12:32 |
| MaskedDriver | these are the same people that get charged twice when they buy something from the internet then claim that someone stole their credit card information | 12:32 |
| rick_h | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/685/ put that at the top of each page and win/done | 12:33 |
| MaskedDriver | you assume everyone uses YUI | 12:34 |
| rick_h | I assume developers can translate to their tool of choice | 12:34 |
| MaskedDriver | basically the same with jquery, but I'm not going to do that | 12:34 |
| snap-l | http://www.angermanage.co.uk/ | 12:34 |
| snap-l | This site is angry | 12:34 |
| MaskedDriver | this is an internal system only. If they can't follow directions that we explicitely give to them time and time again, they have no business using it | 12:35 |
| rick_h | right, but you've spent more time in here ranting on it than it takes to fix it | 12:36 |
| MaskedDriver | cause I've been instructed not to | 12:36 |
| MaskedDriver | we're trying to cull out the weak.. find the people who consistently do things wrong | 12:36 |
| rick_h | now you're onto a cause I can jump onto..."stupid management"! | 12:36 |
| rick_h | :) | 12:36 |
| rick_h | it is common, because of the double click metaphor on desktops, for users to double click on submit forms. | 12:37 |
| brousch | If the stupid were weak, they'd already be dead. Beware their hidden superpowers | 12:37 |
| MaskedDriver | my ranting is just that it's such an easy thing NOT to do. Click once, wait 2 seconds, continue on your path to success | 12:37 |
| MaskedDriver | we've shown them over and over again | 12:38 |
| MaskedDriver | I believe that if somebody works at a place that has computer-related job activities, they have to take a 2-week crash course on how to use a computer | 12:39 |
| brousch | I had a guy who spent 2 hours a day every day on the computer for a decade. He was amazed when I showed him the shift key. He had been capitalizing with the caps lock key for all that time. | 12:41 |
| MaskedDriver | brousch: exactly | 12:41 |
| MaskedDriver | brousch: I was a hero when I tought somebody ctrl+c, ctrl+v | 12:42 |
| snap-l | I've been amazed and horrified at the oral traditions some people pass down from user to user in order to use a system. | 12:47 |
| MaskedDriver | lol do tell snap-l | 12:49 |
| snap-l | MaskedDriver: Many examples over the years of "why are you doing it that way, and where the hell did you pick this up?" | 12:56 |
| MaskedDriver | I was hoping you had a good one | 13:01 |
| MaskedDriver | http://rinkworks.com/stupid/ | 13:01 |
| MaskedDriver | one that isn't on here but should be lol | 13:01 |
| jrwren | brousch: traverse city breweries are better than holland breweries. | 13:52 |
| jrwren | as for GH or saugatuck, don't know about their breweries. I know south haven has no brewery | 13:53 |
| jrwren | MaskedDriver: where do you work? | 13:54 |
| MaskedDriver | an industrial contracting place is Pontiac | 13:58 |
| MaskedDriver | in* | 13:58 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Have you been to a holland brewery? | 14:05 |
| jrwren | yes | 14:08 |
| jrwren | Shorts & Dark Horse > New Holland & Founders | 14:09 |
| brousch | Founders is GR | 14:11 |
| brousch | New Holland Dragon's Milk is the best beer ever | 14:11 |
| rick_h | doh, been using my headphones backwards all this time until I just tried to set them up in ubuntu and used the sound test sound stuff | 14:26 |
| snap-l | rick_h: You have the best luck with audio equipment. ;) | 14:26 |
| snap-l | L / R does not mean stage L, Stage R. ;) | 14:27 |
| rick_h | hah, well the L/R is a bit hard to see and it made more sense for the controls to be hidden and down vs up | 14:28 |
| rick_h | I do think I need to read the manual more though don't I | 14:29 |
| snap-l | http://www.udacity.com/overview/Course/cs212/CourseRev/apr2012 | 14:37 |
| rick_h | woot python | 14:42 |
| rick_h | hah, just got called a rock star, well my squad did at least. | 14:43 |
| * rick_h calls it a day, mission accomplished | 14:43 | |
| snap-l | Yeah, It hink I'm going to sign up for it, not because I necessarily need it, but it would be nice to baseline my skills | 14:44 |
| rick_h | refreshers and all that always good | 14:44 |
| rick_h | why I kept reading all those 'be a good programmer' books. Lots of repeats, but reinforces and a good nugget here/there. | 14:45 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 14:45 |
| snap-l | And the absence of process is regress | 14:46 |
| snap-l | bah, I meant progress | 14:46 |
| snap-l | The absence of progress is regression | 14:47 |
| * snap-l feels he should donate to archive.org in bitcoin, even though i don't have any | 14:50 | |
| snap-l | just to say I did | 14:50 |
| rick_h | hah | 14:50 |
| snap-l | and it seems like the right thing to do | 14:50 |
| rick_h | lol https://twitter.com/davglass/status/211107614245924864 | 14:51 |
| rick_h | python package I didn't expect to see downloaded of the day: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/argh/0.15.1 | 15:40 |
| brousch | snap-l: You were mentioning a lack of Python devs at SF http://paste.mitechie.com/show/686/ | 15:51 |
| nullspace | rick_h: how many laptops is that now? I still have my t61 | 15:58 |
| nullspace | as my primary laptop | 15:58 |
| rick_h | well, I had a t400 or something, the x201, and now an x230 | 15:59 |
| rick_h | about every 2-3yrs it's upgrade time | 15:59 |
| nullspace | yeah I don't have the budget for that | 15:59 |
| rick_h | well if you're looking to upgrade I've got an x201 coming up available :) 2 docks, 2 batteries, and upgraded to 160gb intel SSD :) | 16:00 |
| nullspace | pm what your asking price is | 16:02 |
| rick_h | hmm, time to hunt down some grub. | 16:02 |
| nullspace | indeed | 16:02 |
| jrwren | every 2 yrs at a minimum :) | 16:11 |
| rick_h | yea, I wouldn't do this one if it wasn't for the ivy bridge. So I kind of follow chipsets like that | 16:22 |
| nullspace | aside from speed and a gpu what's ivy bring to the table for you? | 16:38 |
| rick_h | better power, gpu, and cpu perf are the big things | 16:39 |
| rick_h | the updated ips display and the usb3 and support for msata are other wins in the 230 | 16:40 |
| snap-l | Also, it's 29 more than the x201 | 16:43 |
| snap-l | so that's a HUGE win | 16:43 |
| snap-l | brousch: Interesting. | 16:44 |
| rick_h | snap-l: hah! rev that model number ftw! | 16:44 |
| snap-l | http://cl.ly/HEE3/o <- scariest part about Prometheus | 16:45 |
| nullspace | tiny knobs | 16:46 |
| snap-l | Look more to the left | 16:46 |
| snap-l | specifically down on the left screen, bottom | 16:46 |
| rick_h | ah, the windows/IE | 16:46 |
| snap-l | ;) | 16:46 |
| snap-l | someone moved the mouse | 16:46 |
| snap-l | and nobody noticed. | 16:47 |
| nullspace | anyone have a link to a prefered ways to improve battery life on ubuntu? | 17:06 |
| rick_h | yea sorry. Nothing off the top of my head. Run powertop, reduce screen brightness, etc | 17:16 |
| rick_h | but no good single doc I can link to | 17:17 |
| snap-l | Also run later kernels | 17:26 |
| snap-l | They seem to have more emphasis on power savings | 17:26 |
| nullspace | yeah looks like 3 > has pcie aspm | 17:34 |
| nullspace | snap-l: no worries in alien (29 years after) they run a unix terminal interface | 17:42 |
| krondor | jrwren: ++ (from reading the ancient scrollback), I love Short's but I'm also a fan of Founders. Not so much New Holland. | 18:27 |
| snap-l | http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/8/3072284/dice-plus-digital-die-ios-android?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | 18:52 |
| snap-l | Talk about overengineering a non-existent problem | 18:52 |
| snap-l | Although the no-cheating part is pretty cool | 18:53 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUMjxnKzUlQ <- Welcome to the weekend's shit-storm | 19:55 |
| snap-l | (~1:33) | 19:55 |
| brousch | hehe | 20:01 |
| greg-g | I find it annoying and ironic that a page describing an "Open" standard uses Silverlight video with h264 fallback | 20:38 |
| greg-g | (MS is a big partner, apparently) | 20:38 |
| greg-g | http://www.odata.org/introduction | 20:38 |
| snap-l | I find it ironic that a Print On Demand book that I ordered from Lulu on May 25th still isn't here. | 20:54 |
| snap-l | (shipped on June 1st) | 20:54 |
| snap-l | I think they used media rate | 20:55 |
| snap-l | which is the slower boat to china | 20:55 |
| snap-l | note to the impatient: never use media rate | 20:55 |
| brousch | media mail is your package tied with twine to a narcoleptic tortoise | 20:56 |
| snap-l | whichi is why I ship Priority Mail | 20:57 |
| snap-l | and why I have 4.9 stars on Amazon | 20:57 |
| brousch | http://laughingsquid.com/richard-pryor-performing-with-his-heavy-metal-band-black-death/ | 20:58 |
| snap-l | (got a 1 star because I sold my Nokia 770 with updated firmaware that was crashy) | 20:58 |
| jrwren | greg-g: odata is open because msft says its open. | 20:59 |
| rick_h | oh geeze...that video is so bad | 21:08 |
| brousch | rick_h: My Cr-48 just got the new ChromeOS interface | 22:12 |
| brousch | And this is awesome http://gigaom.com/mobile/famous-judge-spikes-apple-google-case-calls-patent-system-dysfunctional/ | 22:15 |
| rick_h | brousch: wow, awesome | 22:34 |
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