/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/08/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

brouschI'm poking at a Flask app. I had forgotten how delightfully simple it is02:09
rick_hyea, flask can be sweet for small simple stuff02:25
snap-lnew router is installed03:17
rick_hwoot, snap-l with super wireless now10:47
rick_hkind of cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6NdhSPZk8M&feature=youtube_gdata_player11:03
snap-lAs you may have seen, both Last.fm and LinkedIn have had a number of11:56
snap-lpasswords compromised. As a precaution, ALL Libre.fm user passwords11:56
snap-lhave been reset to a random, secure password.11:56
snap-lApparently Libre.fm felt left out11:57
rick_hhah11:57
MaskedDrivermorning12:16
rick_hparty12:16
rick_hTGIF12:16
MaskedDriveraye12:16
MaskedDriverHeading up to Traverse City today at noon so it's a halfer for me :)12:16
brouschWhat's in Traverse City?12:17
rick_hI was just up there a couple of weekends ago12:17
rick_hnice beach, great little downtown area12:18
rick_hlots of bike paths it seemed, wish we'd brought the bike up12:18
MaskedDriverit's where a lot of breweries and wineries are there12:18
brouschBah, just go to Holland or Grand Haven or South Haven or Saugatuck12:18
MaskedDriverget rid of the last "there" in my sentence12:18
brouschOr St Joseph12:19
brouschMy Mom loves Traverse City because they would go there as kids, but I don't really see what it has over most of the West MI towns and beaches12:20
rick_hnorth always > west :P12:21
brouschAlaska > Oregon?12:22
rick_hI mean MI, but hey...it's possible12:22
brouschLake Superior !> Lake MI12:23
brouschFreezing cold and black flies12:23
MaskedDriverWhy do people insist on clicking submit buttons multiple times?12:24
MaskedDriverand then get mad at me when there are duplicates12:24
rick_hwoot! laptop is shipped in the status window12:24
rick_hMaskedDriver: I always keep thinking it'd be two lines of JS to disable the submit button when clicked, but don't do that myself12:25
MaskedDriverrick_h I'm tired of fixing stupid12:26
MaskedDriver90% of my day is spent stupid-proofing the system I built12:26
rick_hyea, that's just part of life12:26
MaskedDriverThe same 4 people screw it up after e-mail after e-mail after e-mail after training after training after training12:26
MaskedDriverso management gives up and makes me dirty up my code to fix it for those 4 people. 50 other people use it with no issues12:27
MaskedDriverbut it just makes me laugh that it's suddenly my fault (in the 4 peoples' eyes) when they do something we explicitely tell them NOT to do12:28
rick_husability matters :P12:29
MaskedDriver8% of people with issues seems pretty usable12:30
rick_h8% is a big number, unemployment sized :P12:30
MaskedDriverlol12:30
MaskedDriverthose 8% need unemployment12:30
MaskedDrivercause they screw up everything12:30
MaskedDrivernot just in my system12:31
MaskedDriverone of them lost $20,000 for the company12:31
MaskedDriverhe's still here12:31
brouschMaskedDriver: Ignore rick_h. I feel your pain.12:31
MaskedDriverIt's common internet protocol.. You don't click Submit buttons multiple times12:32
MaskedDriverthese are the same people that get charged twice when they buy something from the internet then claim that someone stole their credit card information12:32
rick_hhttp://paste.mitechie.com/show/685/ put that at the top of each page and win/done12:33
MaskedDriveryou assume everyone uses YUI12:34
rick_hI assume developers can translate to their tool of choice12:34
MaskedDriverbasically the same with jquery, but I'm not going to do that12:34
snap-lhttp://www.angermanage.co.uk/12:34
snap-lThis site is angry12:34
MaskedDriverthis is an internal system only. If they can't follow directions that we explicitely give to them time and time again, they have no business using it12:35
rick_hright, but you've spent more time in here ranting on it than it takes to fix it12:36
MaskedDrivercause I've been instructed not to12:36
MaskedDriverwe're trying to cull out the weak.. find the people who consistently do things wrong12:36
rick_hnow you're onto a cause I can jump onto..."stupid management"!12:36
rick_h:)12:36
rick_hit is common, because of the double click metaphor on desktops, for users to double click on submit forms.12:37
brouschIf the stupid were weak, they'd already be dead. Beware their hidden superpowers12:37
MaskedDrivermy ranting is just that it's such an easy thing NOT to do. Click once, wait 2 seconds, continue on your path to success12:37
MaskedDriverwe've shown them over and over again12:38
MaskedDriverI believe that if somebody works at a place that has computer-related job activities, they have to take a 2-week crash course on how to use a computer12:39
brouschI had a guy who spent 2 hours a day every day on the computer for a decade. He was amazed when I showed him the shift key. He had been capitalizing with the caps lock key for all that time.12:41
MaskedDriverbrousch: exactly12:41
MaskedDriverbrousch: I was a hero when I tought somebody ctrl+c, ctrl+v12:42
snap-lI've been amazed and horrified at the oral traditions some people pass down from user to user in order to use a system.12:47
MaskedDriverlol do tell snap-l12:49
snap-lMaskedDriver: Many examples over the years of "why are you doing it that way, and where the hell did you pick this up?"12:56
MaskedDriverI was hoping you had a good one13:01
MaskedDriverhttp://rinkworks.com/stupid/13:01
MaskedDriverone that isn't on here but should be lol13:01
jrwrenbrousch: traverse city breweries are better than holland breweries.13:52
jrwrenas for GH or saugatuck, don't know about their breweries.  I know south haven has no brewery13:53
jrwrenMaskedDriver: where do you work?13:54
MaskedDriveran industrial contracting place is Pontiac13:58
MaskedDriverin*13:58
snap-ljrwren: Have you been to a holland brewery?14:05
jrwrenyes14:08
jrwrenShorts & Dark Horse > New Holland & Founders14:09
brouschFounders is GR14:11
brouschNew Holland Dragon's Milk is the best beer ever14:11
rick_hdoh, been using my headphones backwards all this time until I just tried to set them up in ubuntu and used the sound test sound stuff14:26
snap-lrick_h: You have the best luck with audio equipment. ;)14:26
snap-lL / R does not mean stage L, Stage R. ;)14:27
rick_hhah, well the L/R is a bit hard to see and it made more sense for the controls to be hidden and down vs up14:28
rick_hI do think I need to read the manual more though don't I14:29
snap-lhttp://www.udacity.com/overview/Course/cs212/CourseRev/apr201214:37
rick_hwoot python14:42
rick_hhah, just got called a rock star, well my squad did at least.14:43
* rick_h calls it a day, mission accomplished14:43
snap-lYeah, It hink I'm going to sign up for it, not because I necessarily need it, but it would be nice to baseline my skills14:44
rick_hrefreshers and all that always good14:44
rick_hwhy I kept reading all those 'be a good programmer' books. Lots of repeats, but reinforces and a good nugget here/there.14:45
snap-lYeah14:45
snap-lAnd the absence of process is regress14:46
snap-lbah, I meant progress14:46
snap-lThe absence of progress is regression14:47
* snap-l feels he should donate to archive.org in bitcoin, even though i don't have any14:50
snap-ljust to say I did14:50
rick_hhah14:50
snap-land it seems like the right thing to do14:50
rick_hlol https://twitter.com/davglass/status/21110761424592486414:51
rick_hpython package I didn't expect to see downloaded of the day: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/argh/0.15.115:40
brouschsnap-l: You were mentioning a lack of Python devs at SF http://paste.mitechie.com/show/686/15:51
nullspacerick_h: how many laptops is that now? I still have my t6115:58
nullspaceas my primary laptop15:58
rick_hwell, I had a t400 or something, the x201, and now an x23015:59
rick_habout every 2-3yrs it's upgrade time15:59
nullspaceyeah I don't have the budget for that15:59
rick_hwell if you're looking to upgrade I've got an x201 coming up available :) 2 docks, 2 batteries, and upgraded to 160gb intel SSD :)16:00
nullspacepm what your asking price is16:02
rick_hhmm, time to hunt down some grub.16:02
nullspaceindeed16:02
jrwrenevery 2 yrs at a minimum :)16:11
rick_hyea, I wouldn't do this one if it wasn't for the ivy bridge. So I kind of follow chipsets like that16:22
nullspaceaside from speed and a gpu what's ivy bring to the table for you?16:38
rick_hbetter power, gpu, and cpu perf are the big things16:39
rick_hthe updated ips display and the usb3 and support for msata are other wins in the 23016:40
snap-lAlso, it's 29 more than the x20116:43
snap-lso that's a HUGE win16:43
snap-lbrousch: Interesting.16:44
rick_hsnap-l: hah! rev that model number ftw!16:44
snap-lhttp://cl.ly/HEE3/o <- scariest part about Prometheus16:45
nullspacetiny knobs16:46
snap-lLook more to the left16:46
snap-lspecifically down on the left screen, bottom16:46
rick_hah, the windows/IE16:46
snap-l;)16:46
snap-lsomeone moved the mouse16:46
snap-land nobody noticed.16:47
nullspaceanyone have a link to a prefered ways to improve battery life on ubuntu?17:06
rick_hyea sorry. Nothing off the top of my head. Run powertop, reduce screen brightness, etc17:16
rick_hbut no good single doc I can link to17:17
snap-lAlso run later kernels17:26
snap-lThey seem to have more emphasis on power savings17:26
nullspaceyeah looks like 3 > has pcie aspm17:34
nullspacesnap-l: no worries in alien (29 years after) they run a unix terminal interface17:42
krondorjrwren: ++ (from reading the ancient scrollback), I love Short's but I'm also a fan of Founders.  Not so much New Holland.18:27
snap-lhttp://www.theverge.com/2012/6/8/3072284/dice-plus-digital-die-ios-android?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter18:52
snap-lTalk about overengineering a non-existent problem18:52
snap-lAlthough the no-cheating part is pretty cool18:53
snap-lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUMjxnKzUlQ <- Welcome to the weekend's shit-storm19:55
snap-l(~1:33)19:55
brouschhehe20:01
greg-gI find it annoying and ironic that a page describing an "Open" standard uses Silverlight video with h264 fallback20:38
greg-g(MS is a big partner, apparently)20:38
greg-ghttp://www.odata.org/introduction20:38
snap-lI find it ironic that a Print On Demand book that I ordered from Lulu on May 25th still isn't here.20:54
snap-l(shipped on June 1st)20:54
snap-lI think they used media rate20:55
snap-lwhich is the slower boat to china20:55
snap-lnote to the impatient: never use media rate20:55
brouschmedia mail is your package tied with twine to a narcoleptic tortoise20:56
snap-lwhichi is why I ship Priority Mail20:57
snap-land why I have 4.9 stars on Amazon20:57
brouschhttp://laughingsquid.com/richard-pryor-performing-with-his-heavy-metal-band-black-death/20:58
snap-l(got a 1 star because I sold my Nokia 770 with updated firmaware that was crashy)20:58
jrwrengreg-g: odata is open because msft says its open.20:59
rick_hoh geeze...that video is so bad21:08
brouschrick_h: My Cr-48 just got the new ChromeOS interface22:12
brouschAnd this is awesome http://gigaom.com/mobile/famous-judge-spikes-apple-google-case-calls-patent-system-dysfunctional/22:15
rick_hbrousch: wow, awesome22:34

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