[02:09] <brousch> I'm poking at a Flask app. I had forgotten how delightfully simple it is
[02:25] <rick_h> yea, flask can be sweet for small simple stuff
[03:17] <snap-l> new router is installed
[10:47] <rick_h> woot, snap-l with super wireless now
[11:03] <rick_h> kind of cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6NdhSPZk8M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[11:56] <snap-l> As you may have seen, both Last.fm and LinkedIn have had a number of
[11:56] <snap-l> passwords compromised. As a precaution, ALL Libre.fm user passwords
[11:56] <snap-l> have been reset to a random, secure password.
[11:57] <snap-l> Apparently Libre.fm felt left out
[11:57] <rick_h> hah
[12:16] <MaskedDriver> morning
[12:16] <rick_h> party
[12:16] <rick_h> TGIF
[12:16] <MaskedDriver> aye
[12:16] <MaskedDriver> Heading up to Traverse City today at noon so it's a halfer for me :)
[12:17] <brousch> What's in Traverse City?
[12:17] <rick_h> I was just up there a couple of weekends ago
[12:18] <rick_h> nice beach, great little downtown area
[12:18] <rick_h> lots of bike paths it seemed, wish we'd brought the bike up
[12:18] <MaskedDriver> it's where a lot of breweries and wineries are there
[12:18] <brousch> Bah, just go to Holland or Grand Haven or South Haven or Saugatuck
[12:18] <MaskedDriver> get rid of the last "there" in my sentence
[12:19] <brousch> Or St Joseph
[12:20] <brousch> My Mom loves Traverse City because they would go there as kids, but I don't really see what it has over most of the West MI towns and beaches
[12:21] <rick_h> north always > west :P
[12:22] <brousch> Alaska > Oregon?
[12:22] <rick_h> I mean MI, but hey...it's possible
[12:23] <brousch> Lake Superior !> Lake MI
[12:23] <brousch> Freezing cold and black flies
[12:24] <MaskedDriver> Why do people insist on clicking submit buttons multiple times?
[12:24] <MaskedDriver> and then get mad at me when there are duplicates
[12:24] <rick_h> woot! laptop is shipped in the status window
[12:25] <rick_h> MaskedDriver: I always keep thinking it'd be two lines of JS to disable the submit button when clicked, but don't do that myself
[12:26] <MaskedDriver> rick_h I'm tired of fixing stupid
[12:26] <MaskedDriver> 90% of my day is spent stupid-proofing the system I built
[12:26] <rick_h> yea, that's just part of life
[12:26] <MaskedDriver> The same 4 people screw it up after e-mail after e-mail after e-mail after training after training after training
[12:27] <MaskedDriver> so management gives up and makes me dirty up my code to fix it for those 4 people. 50 other people use it with no issues
[12:28] <MaskedDriver> but it just makes me laugh that it's suddenly my fault (in the 4 peoples' eyes) when they do something we explicitely tell them NOT to do
[12:29] <rick_h> usability matters :P
[12:30] <MaskedDriver> 8% of people with issues seems pretty usable
[12:30] <rick_h> 8% is a big number, unemployment sized :P
[12:30] <MaskedDriver> lol
[12:30] <MaskedDriver> those 8% need unemployment
[12:30] <MaskedDriver> cause they screw up everything
[12:31] <MaskedDriver> not just in my system
[12:31] <MaskedDriver> one of them lost $20,000 for the company
[12:31] <MaskedDriver> he's still here
[12:31] <brousch> MaskedDriver: Ignore rick_h. I feel your pain.
[12:32] <MaskedDriver> It's common internet protocol.. You don't click Submit buttons multiple times
[12:32] <MaskedDriver> these are the same people that get charged twice when they buy something from the internet then claim that someone stole their credit card information
[12:33] <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/685/ put that at the top of each page and win/done
[12:34] <MaskedDriver> you assume everyone uses YUI
[12:34] <rick_h> I assume developers can translate to their tool of choice
[12:34] <MaskedDriver> basically the same with jquery, but I'm not going to do that
[12:34] <snap-l> http://www.angermanage.co.uk/
[12:34] <snap-l> This site is angry
[12:35] <MaskedDriver> this is an internal system only. If they can't follow directions that we explicitely give to them time and time again, they have no business using it
[12:36] <rick_h> right, but you've spent more time in here ranting on it than it takes to fix it
[12:36] <MaskedDriver> cause I've been instructed not to
[12:36] <MaskedDriver> we're trying to cull out the weak.. find the people who consistently do things wrong
[12:36] <rick_h> now you're onto a cause I can jump onto..."stupid management"!
[12:36] <rick_h> :)
[12:37] <rick_h> it is common, because of the double click metaphor on desktops, for users to double click on submit forms.
[12:37] <brousch> If the stupid were weak, they'd already be dead. Beware their hidden superpowers
[12:37] <MaskedDriver> my ranting is just that it's such an easy thing NOT to do. Click once, wait 2 seconds, continue on your path to success
[12:38] <MaskedDriver> we've shown them over and over again
[12:39] <MaskedDriver> I believe that if somebody works at a place that has computer-related job activities, they have to take a 2-week crash course on how to use a computer
[12:41] <brousch> I had a guy who spent 2 hours a day every day on the computer for a decade. He was amazed when I showed him the shift key. He had been capitalizing with the caps lock key for all that time.
[12:41] <MaskedDriver> brousch: exactly
[12:42] <MaskedDriver> brousch: I was a hero when I tought somebody ctrl+c, ctrl+v
[12:47] <snap-l> I've been amazed and horrified at the oral traditions some people pass down from user to user in order to use a system.
[12:49] <MaskedDriver> lol do tell snap-l
[12:56] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: Many examples over the years of "why are you doing it that way, and where the hell did you pick this up?"
[13:01] <MaskedDriver> I was hoping you had a good one
[13:01] <MaskedDriver> http://rinkworks.com/stupid/
[13:01] <MaskedDriver> one that isn't on here but should be lol
[13:52] <jrwren> brousch: traverse city breweries are better than holland breweries.
[13:53] <jrwren> as for GH or saugatuck, don't know about their breweries.  I know south haven has no brewery
[13:54] <jrwren> MaskedDriver: where do you work?
[13:58] <MaskedDriver> an industrial contracting place is Pontiac
[13:58] <MaskedDriver> in*
[14:05] <snap-l> jrwren: Have you been to a holland brewery?
[14:08] <jrwren> yes
[14:09] <jrwren> Shorts & Dark Horse > New Holland & Founders
[14:11] <brousch> Founders is GR
[14:11] <brousch> New Holland Dragon's Milk is the best beer ever
[14:26] <rick_h> doh, been using my headphones backwards all this time until I just tried to set them up in ubuntu and used the sound test sound stuff
[14:26] <snap-l> rick_h: You have the best luck with audio equipment. ;)
[14:27] <snap-l> L / R does not mean stage L, Stage R. ;)
[14:28] <rick_h> hah, well the L/R is a bit hard to see and it made more sense for the controls to be hidden and down vs up
[14:29] <rick_h> I do think I need to read the manual more though don't I
[14:37] <snap-l> http://www.udacity.com/overview/Course/cs212/CourseRev/apr2012
[14:42] <rick_h> woot python
[14:43] <rick_h> hah, just got called a rock star, well my squad did at least.
[14:43]  * rick_h calls it a day, mission accomplished
[14:44] <snap-l> Yeah, It hink I'm going to sign up for it, not because I necessarily need it, but it would be nice to baseline my skills
[14:44] <rick_h> refreshers and all that always good
[14:45] <rick_h> why I kept reading all those 'be a good programmer' books. Lots of repeats, but reinforces and a good nugget here/there.
[14:45] <snap-l> Yeah
[14:46] <snap-l> And the absence of process is regress
[14:46] <snap-l> bah, I meant progress
[14:47] <snap-l> The absence of progress is regression
[14:50]  * snap-l feels he should donate to archive.org in bitcoin, even though i don't have any
[14:50] <snap-l> just to say I did
[14:50] <rick_h> hah
[14:50] <snap-l> and it seems like the right thing to do
[14:51] <rick_h> lol https://twitter.com/davglass/status/211107614245924864
[15:40] <rick_h> python package I didn't expect to see downloaded of the day: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/argh/0.15.1
[15:51] <brousch> snap-l: You were mentioning a lack of Python devs at SF http://paste.mitechie.com/show/686/
[15:58] <nullspace> rick_h: how many laptops is that now? I still have my t61
[15:58] <nullspace> as my primary laptop
[15:59] <rick_h> well, I had a t400 or something, the x201, and now an x230
[15:59] <rick_h> about every 2-3yrs it's upgrade time
[15:59] <nullspace> yeah I don't have the budget for that
[16:00] <rick_h> well if you're looking to upgrade I've got an x201 coming up available :) 2 docks, 2 batteries, and upgraded to 160gb intel SSD :)
[16:02] <nullspace> pm what your asking price is
[16:02] <rick_h> hmm, time to hunt down some grub.
[16:02] <nullspace> indeed
[16:11] <jrwren> every 2 yrs at a minimum :)
[16:22] <rick_h> yea, I wouldn't do this one if it wasn't for the ivy bridge. So I kind of follow chipsets like that
[16:38] <nullspace> aside from speed and a gpu what's ivy bring to the table for you?
[16:39] <rick_h> better power, gpu, and cpu perf are the big things
[16:40] <rick_h> the updated ips display and the usb3 and support for msata are other wins in the 230
[16:43] <snap-l> Also, it's 29 more than the x201
[16:43] <snap-l> so that's a HUGE win
[16:44] <snap-l> brousch: Interesting.
[16:44] <rick_h> snap-l: hah! rev that model number ftw!
[16:45] <snap-l> http://cl.ly/HEE3/o <- scariest part about Prometheus
[16:46] <nullspace> tiny knobs
[16:46] <snap-l> Look more to the left
[16:46] <snap-l> specifically down on the left screen, bottom
[16:46] <rick_h> ah, the windows/IE
[16:46] <snap-l> ;)
[16:46] <snap-l> someone moved the mouse
[16:47] <snap-l> and nobody noticed.
[17:06] <nullspace> anyone have a link to a prefered ways to improve battery life on ubuntu?
[17:16] <rick_h> yea sorry. Nothing off the top of my head. Run powertop, reduce screen brightness, etc
[17:17] <rick_h> but no good single doc I can link to
[17:26] <snap-l> Also run later kernels
[17:26] <snap-l> They seem to have more emphasis on power savings
[17:34] <nullspace> yeah looks like 3 > has pcie aspm
[17:42] <nullspace> snap-l: no worries in alien (29 years after) they run a unix terminal interface
[18:27] <krondor> jrwren: ++ (from reading the ancient scrollback), I love Short's but I'm also a fan of Founders.  Not so much New Holland.
[18:52] <snap-l> http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/8/3072284/dice-plus-digital-die-ios-android?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[18:52] <snap-l> Talk about overengineering a non-existent problem
[18:53] <snap-l> Although the no-cheating part is pretty cool
[19:55] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUMjxnKzUlQ <- Welcome to the weekend's shit-storm
[19:55] <snap-l> (~1:33)
[20:01] <brousch> hehe
[20:38] <greg-g> I find it annoying and ironic that a page describing an "Open" standard uses Silverlight video with h264 fallback
[20:38] <greg-g> (MS is a big partner, apparently)
[20:38] <greg-g> http://www.odata.org/introduction
[20:54] <snap-l> I find it ironic that a Print On Demand book that I ordered from Lulu on May 25th still isn't here.
[20:54] <snap-l> (shipped on June 1st)
[20:55] <snap-l> I think they used media rate
[20:55] <snap-l> which is the slower boat to china
[20:55] <snap-l> note to the impatient: never use media rate
[20:56] <brousch> media mail is your package tied with twine to a narcoleptic tortoise
[20:57] <snap-l> whichi is why I ship Priority Mail
[20:57] <snap-l> and why I have 4.9 stars on Amazon
[20:58] <brousch> http://laughingsquid.com/richard-pryor-performing-with-his-heavy-metal-band-black-death/
[20:58] <snap-l> (got a 1 star because I sold my Nokia 770 with updated firmaware that was crashy)
[20:59] <jrwren> greg-g: odata is open because msft says its open.
[21:08] <rick_h> oh geeze...that video is so bad
[22:12] <brousch> rick_h: My Cr-48 just got the new ChromeOS interface
[22:15] <brousch> And this is awesome http://gigaom.com/mobile/famous-judge-spikes-apple-google-case-calls-patent-system-dysfunctional/
[22:34] <rick_h> brousch: wow, awesome