[10:43] <ohno-lolz> hello tux :D
[10:44] <ohno-lolz> Can I add a wishlist for quantal here and now?
[11:20] <cjohnston> I upgraded to quantal, and seem to be having issues.. One is that I'm missing a bunch of drivers, and when I try to install I get an error that says to look in /var/log/jockey.log (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1031845/) and my theme seems to be messed up.. most windows don't look
[11:20] <cjohnston> 'polished'
[11:22] <cjohnston> any ideas what is causing my issues?
[11:31] <WarOfTheNerd> Guys, I heard something in a presentation from SABDFL about +1s now being always usable throughout the development process as a goal
[11:31] <WarOfTheNerd> is this true?  I'm a power user looking to use Lubuntu 12.10 A1
[11:33] <jtaylor> there are a couple changes that make it better, but you still need experience in solving or working around issues
[11:34] <WarOfTheNerd> jtaylor, apart from the one time that a beta foobared glibc I have always been able to fix issues >_>
[11:34] <WarOfTheNerd> (and I mean real foobar, as in an instant segfault on every binary)
[11:35] <jtaylor> glibc failures are fun :)
[11:43]  * penguin42 thinks about upgrading his main machine  to qq-alpha - but I see reference to a krunner crash; is that still a problem?
[11:46] <cjohnston> penguin42: the issues I'm having are related to drivers and the theme.. I'm actually wondering, the more that I look if my issues are because of the new kernel
[11:47] <penguin42> cjohnston: It's unusual for a kernel to do something to a theme - what are you seeing?
[11:54] <cjohnston> penguin42: additional drivers is showing 5 drivers not installed, (in precise I only ever showed one driver in the list period), when I try to install I get an error message.. the theme looks like http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/sessionshutter002.png/
[11:55] <cjohnston> sorry for the dela
[11:55] <cjohnston> y
[11:56] <penguin42> looks like a vanilla gnome/ubuntu theme
[11:56] <penguin42> what are the 5 drivers not installed?
[11:58] <cjohnston> PC Speaker Beeper, Intel TCO WatchDog Timer, Broadcom B43, I801 SMBus, Sonics Silicon Backplane
[11:59] <cjohnston> penguin42: according to All Settings > Appearance, the theme is Ambiance
[11:59] <penguin42> that's a *weird* set of additional drivers!
[12:00] <cjohnston> penguin42: agreed.. ive never seen it before
[12:00] <cjohnston> the only thing I have EVER had in the list before is Broadcom
[12:01] <penguin42> I think all of those are just standard kernel driver ones (except possibly the B43 and Sonics Silicon Backplane that I'm not sure about)
[12:02] <cjohnston> penguin42: when I tried activating the speaker beep, I got an error which jockey.log shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1031845/
[12:03] <penguin42> that just looks like all of it's debug in figuring out what you have
[12:04] <cjohnston> why would it report it as an error
[12:04] <penguin42> probably just a bug or given how early stuff is a load of debug left on
[12:05] <cjohnston> i see
[12:05] <cjohnston> any idea what the issue with the theme is? since it sounds like that may be the only actual problem I guess?
[12:06] <penguin42> nope; welcome to the world of alphas :-)
[12:06] <cjohnston> hehe
[12:06] <cjohnston> very true
[12:06] <cjohnston> I just want to make sure that its worth staying vs abandoning for a few days
[12:06] <cjohnston> all the driver stuff made me a little nervous since I had never seen any of those before
[12:07] <penguin42> cjohnston: alpha-1 is very early - expect stuff to be broken and keep changing
[12:08] <cjohnston> penguin42: yup.. the joy.. last cycle I updated the day A1 came out and ran all the way with no major issues
[12:08] <penguin42> cjohnston: That's probably a mix of it being for LTS and to fool you so that you're more gullible for qq :-)
[12:09] <cjohnston> lol
[12:09] <cjohnston> I need to learn to do testing and such.. atleast help out more since I'm willing to play
[12:10] <zniavre> cjohnston,  launching the widget factory (twf) in terminal will gives you theme error i think
[12:15] <penguin42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1   would be a better link for the title wouldn't it?
[12:42] <cjohnston> penguin42: I tried rebooting (since additional drivers said to) and the drivers that I tried to install still aren't installed.. :-/
[13:14] <FernandoMiguel> ewwwww
[13:14] <FernandoMiguel> what happened to my X11??
[13:14] <FernandoMiguel> and why is the boot different?
[13:15] <FernandoMiguel> I know better than doing upgrades on a Friday
[19:10] <glosoli> where can I check the highlights future plans for 12.10
[19:10] <glosoli>  ?
[19:14] <penguin42> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+specs
[19:15] <IdleOne> there ya go
[19:15] <glosoli> thanks
[19:44] <phoenix_firebrd> kde 4.9 beta1?
[20:29] <penguin42> don't think so yet
[20:54] <penguin42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1  could do with telling people to enable updates to non-LTS
[20:55] <penguin42> do-release-upgrade -d  or update-manager -d doesn't do anything without that
[22:16] <iceroot> is it a bug or a feature that the auto-mounter is using /run/media/username instead of /media/ for removable devices?
[22:16] <iceroot> is that a new standard? or is it just done by ubuntu?
[22:17] <iceroot> and if i am correct 12.04 did not have /run  just /var/run
[22:19] <jtaylor> 12.04 has /run
[22:32] <penguin42> hmm my 12.04 box mounts stuff under /media - although it is an upgrade
[22:33] <iceroot> penguin42: yes 12.04 is using /media, 12.10 is using /var/run/username/
[22:35] <penguin42> the vm I just upgraded to qq is still using /media
[22:35] <iceroot> penguin42: unity?
[22:35] <penguin42> yep
[22:35] <Trewas> udisks2 apparently moved automagic mounts from /media to /run/media/username
[22:36] <jtaylor> makes sense to me
[22:36] <iceroot> so you think its a feature not a bug
[22:36] <penguin42> yeh I can't quite remember the reason for /run but it sounded sane at the time I heard it
[22:37] <jtaylor> hm that it mounts in run is a bit strange
[22:37] <Trewas> it makes sense for systems with multiple users that the removable media is not mounted to the same directory for everyone, why it is under /run is another question
[22:38] <iceroot> so /media/username/foobar would be better?
[22:38] <iceroot> i thought i am stupid when using cd /media/ TAB TAB TAB... and nothing came up
[22:39] <iceroot> only df was showing me that i am searching in the wrong dir
[22:39] <penguin42> iceroot: Was this a fresh install?
[22:41] <iceroot> penguin42: no
[22:41] <penguin42> hmm interesting that it seems not to have happened for me
[22:41] <iceroot> penguin42: it was an upgrade from 12.04 lubuntu to 12.10 lubuntu
[22:41] <penguin42> iceroot: I'm using an Ubuntu vm here
[22:42] <iceroot> strange
[22:42] <penguin42> oh
[22:42] <penguin42> actually it has!
[22:43] <penguin42> iceroot: the vm has a /media/floppy but when I double clicked a cd it mounted as /run/media/dg/mount
[22:43] <penguin42> iceroot: So it has done it as a user specific dir in /run
[22:43] <iceroot> penguin42: like my system
[22:43] <penguin42> iceroot: Yeh
[22:44] <penguin42> iceroot: Some of the idea of /run in general is explained here http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory#Overview
[22:44] <penguin42> iceroot: The idea of being able to work with a ro / is nice
[22:45] <iceroot>  /run replaces several existing locations described in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
[22:45] <iceroot>  like /dev/.*
[22:45] <iceroot> writable files under /etc → /run/*
[22:46] <penguin42> yes please don't copy and paste it
[22:46] <iceroot> just showing the "highlights"
[22:46] <iceroot> seems to be a bigger change with /run
[22:47] <iceroot> you have an idea what "writeable files under /etc" means?
[22:47] <penguin42> iceroot: I'm assuming things like resolv.conf
[22:48] <iceroot> hm is that a good idea to put that on a tmpfs?
[22:48] <iceroot> specially that file
[22:49] <penguin42> iceroot: Well that was just a guess! But it would seem to be for just temporary dhcp recovered stuff