=== wilee-nilee is now known as shrinking-brain === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna === trism is now known as trism_ === linuxuz3r is now known as iwantajob === iwantajob is now known as linuxuz3r === skynet-2000 is now known as skynet === skynet is now known as Guest16980 [10:43] hello tux :D [10:44] Can I add a wishlist for quantal here and now? [11:20] I upgraded to quantal, and seem to be having issues.. One is that I'm missing a bunch of drivers, and when I try to install I get an error that says to look in /var/log/jockey.log (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1031845/) and my theme seems to be messed up.. most windows don't look [11:20] 'polished' [11:22] any ideas what is causing my issues? [11:31] Guys, I heard something in a presentation from SABDFL about +1s now being always usable throughout the development process as a goal [11:31] is this true? I'm a power user looking to use Lubuntu 12.10 A1 [11:33] there are a couple changes that make it better, but you still need experience in solving or working around issues [11:34] jtaylor, apart from the one time that a beta foobared glibc I have always been able to fix issues >_> [11:34] (and I mean real foobar, as in an instant segfault on every binary) [11:35] glibc failures are fun :) [11:43] * penguin42 thinks about upgrading his main machine to qq-alpha - but I see reference to a krunner crash; is that still a problem? [11:46] penguin42: the issues I'm having are related to drivers and the theme.. I'm actually wondering, the more that I look if my issues are because of the new kernel [11:47] cjohnston: It's unusual for a kernel to do something to a theme - what are you seeing? [11:54] penguin42: additional drivers is showing 5 drivers not installed, (in precise I only ever showed one driver in the list period), when I try to install I get an error message.. the theme looks like http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/sessionshutter002.png/ [11:55] sorry for the dela [11:55] y [11:56] looks like a vanilla gnome/ubuntu theme [11:56] what are the 5 drivers not installed? [11:58] PC Speaker Beeper, Intel TCO WatchDog Timer, Broadcom B43, I801 SMBus, Sonics Silicon Backplane [11:59] penguin42: according to All Settings > Appearance, the theme is Ambiance [11:59] that's a *weird* set of additional drivers! [12:00] penguin42: agreed.. ive never seen it before [12:00] the only thing I have EVER had in the list before is Broadcom [12:01] I think all of those are just standard kernel driver ones (except possibly the B43 and Sonics Silicon Backplane that I'm not sure about) [12:02] penguin42: when I tried activating the speaker beep, I got an error which jockey.log shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1031845/ [12:03] that just looks like all of it's debug in figuring out what you have [12:04] why would it report it as an error [12:04] probably just a bug or given how early stuff is a load of debug left on [12:05] i see [12:05] any idea what the issue with the theme is? since it sounds like that may be the only actual problem I guess? [12:06] nope; welcome to the world of alphas :-) [12:06] hehe [12:06] very true [12:06] I just want to make sure that its worth staying vs abandoning for a few days [12:06] all the driver stuff made me a little nervous since I had never seen any of those before [12:07] cjohnston: alpha-1 is very early - expect stuff to be broken and keep changing [12:08] penguin42: yup.. the joy.. last cycle I updated the day A1 came out and ran all the way with no major issues [12:08] cjohnston: That's probably a mix of it being for LTS and to fool you so that you're more gullible for qq :-) [12:09] lol [12:09] I need to learn to do testing and such.. atleast help out more since I'm willing to play [12:10] cjohnston, launching the widget factory (twf) in terminal will gives you theme error i think [12:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1 would be a better link for the title wouldn't it? === Guest16980 is now known as skynet-2000 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:42] penguin42: I tried rebooting (since additional drivers said to) and the drivers that I tried to install still aren't installed.. :-/ [13:14] ewwwww [13:14] what happened to my X11?? [13:14] and why is the boot different? [13:15] I know better than doing upgrades on a Friday === samsul is now known as kacung [19:10] where can I check the highlights future plans for 12.10 [19:10] ? [19:14] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+specs [19:15] there ya go [19:15] thanks [19:44] kde 4.9 beta1? [20:29] don't think so yet [20:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1 could do with telling people to enable updates to non-LTS [20:55] do-release-upgrade -d or update-manager -d doesn't do anything without that [22:16] is it a bug or a feature that the auto-mounter is using /run/media/username instead of /media/ for removable devices? [22:16] is that a new standard? or is it just done by ubuntu? [22:17] and if i am correct 12.04 did not have /run just /var/run [22:19] 12.04 has /run [22:32] hmm my 12.04 box mounts stuff under /media - although it is an upgrade [22:33] penguin42: yes 12.04 is using /media, 12.10 is using /var/run/username/ [22:35] the vm I just upgraded to qq is still using /media [22:35] penguin42: unity? [22:35] yep [22:35] udisks2 apparently moved automagic mounts from /media to /run/media/username [22:36] makes sense to me [22:36] so you think its a feature not a bug [22:36] yeh I can't quite remember the reason for /run but it sounded sane at the time I heard it [22:37] hm that it mounts in run is a bit strange [22:37] it makes sense for systems with multiple users that the removable media is not mounted to the same directory for everyone, why it is under /run is another question [22:38] so /media/username/foobar would be better? [22:38] i thought i am stupid when using cd /media/ TAB TAB TAB... and nothing came up [22:39] only df was showing me that i am searching in the wrong dir [22:39] iceroot: Was this a fresh install? [22:41] penguin42: no [22:41] hmm interesting that it seems not to have happened for me [22:41] penguin42: it was an upgrade from 12.04 lubuntu to 12.10 lubuntu [22:41] iceroot: I'm using an Ubuntu vm here [22:42] strange [22:42] oh [22:42] actually it has! [22:43] iceroot: the vm has a /media/floppy but when I double clicked a cd it mounted as /run/media/dg/mount [22:43] iceroot: So it has done it as a user specific dir in /run [22:43] penguin42: like my system [22:43] iceroot: Yeh [22:44] iceroot: Some of the idea of /run in general is explained here http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory#Overview [22:44] iceroot: The idea of being able to work with a ro / is nice [22:45] /run replaces several existing locations described in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard [22:45] like /dev/.* [22:45] writable files under /etc → /run/* [22:46] yes please don't copy and paste it [22:46] just showing the "highlights" [22:46] seems to be a bigger change with /run [22:47] you have an idea what "writeable files under /etc" means? [22:47] iceroot: I'm assuming things like resolv.conf [22:48] hm is that a good idea to put that on a tmpfs? [22:48] specially that file [22:49] iceroot: Well that was just a guess! But it would seem to be for just temporary dhcp recovered stuff === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq