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czajkowskialoha08:43
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:10
brobostigon1info libx8609:16
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lubotu3Package libx86 does not exist in precise09:16
brobostigon!info libx86-109:18
lubotu3libx86-1 (source: libx86): x86 real-mode library. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1+ds1-7ubuntu1 (precise), package size 8 kB, installed size 43 kB (Only available for any-amd64; any-i386)09:18
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:34
MartijnVdS\o09:36
directhexhowdy howdy howdy10:08
brobostigonhewdy directhex10:09
MartijnVdSdirecthex: don't forget the "y'all"10:09
directhexMartijnVdS: that is also an option10:09
brobostigonhi MartijnVdS10:09
* MartijnVdS recommends http://xxyyxx.bandcamp.com/album/xxyyxx10:10
bigcalmI thought the music was very weird, then realised that another tab was already playing music10:13
MartijnVdShaha :)10:18
* directhex mutters10:24
matttMartijnVdS: sounds a bit too much like ivan dafydd or gang colours10:24
matttMartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6CTmKgz1i010:26
bigcalmHazzar. Just fixed a MySQL query I was head-desking over yesterday10:26
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MartijnVdSmattt: oooh!10:57
matttMartijnVdS: absolutely love that :D10:57
MartijnVdSmattt: someone did a remix of the Dutch news like that a few years ago10:59
MartijnVdShttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSKRePzN03s10:59
MartijnVdS(visual style)11:00
matttMartijnVdS: will check it in a few, watching the wales/australia game :P11:03
mattt(and will get beaten if i disturb it with music)11:03
dogmatic69anyone know how to fix 48% packet loss :/12:56
hi6lol13:20
Str8J4ck3tnew user, need assist, can anyone help13:31
Str8J4ck3tnobody?13:32
MartijnVdSStr8J4ck3t: Ask your question, and we'll do our best to answer13:33
MartijnVdS!ask13:33
lubotu3Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience13:33
psuttonhi13:34
Str8J4ck3tthank you.  I've started running Kubuntu from a live usb, however, I'm trying to run the actual to-disk install over windows 7 and the install keeps failing.  any suggestions on how I can fix this?13:34
psuttoncould be a hardware issue13:35
psuttontry running the cd test13:36
Str8J4ck3thow do I run the cd test?13:36
psuttonboot menu13:37
brobostigonany error output when it fails?13:37
psuttoni guess it will check if your running from usb the actual usb drive13:37
psuttonnot sure if  but the cd test is bult in i assume it will work13:37
psuttonif you boot from usb but just differently13:37
Str8J4ck3tI do get an error when it fails.13:38
psuttonyou should do13:38
brobostigonwhat does it say?13:38
psuttonif you choose test i assume it runs a test and lets you know if there are errors13:38
brobostigonpsutton: the media checking thingie?13:39
Str8J4ck3tI'll post the error in just a moment, I'll have to try to run the app again.13:39
psuttonuse paste bin to post the error if u can13:39
brobostigonStr8J4ck3t: if it is long, pastebin it.13:39
psuttonbrobostigon, will that work in the same way if booting from usb13:40
Str8J4ck3tokay, thank you, I'll be back in a moment13:40
brobostigonpsutton: i dont see why not. just checking what you were refferring to.13:40
psuttonwhen you boot up you get the option of media / cd check13:41
psuttonfrom the ubuntu cds13:41
brobostigonyes.13:41
psuttoni was thinking if the install was failing there could be a media issue somewhere13:41
psuttonother than that hardware13:41
brobostigonagreed, maybe, worth checking.13:41
psuttonsee what Str8J4ck3t comes back with13:42
psuttoni am at a lug meet so have limited aceess to stuff13:42
brobostigonok.13:42
psuttonback13:56
oimon1limbo runs unbearably slow for me :( thought it might be OK on my laptop13:58
dogmatic69Using eth over power, 85% packet loss :/14:06
penguin42dogmatic69: I assume it depends on how clean the mains is and other users on your phase?14:07
dogmatic69ye. Today it just went down the drain14:07
dogmatic69its been ok, but since last night...14:07
penguin42so either you've switched something else on, or someone else close has just bought something near14:08
dogmatic69now have cat5 across the lounge, up the stairs and into the spare room14:08
dogmatic69internet++14:08
Str8J4ck3tI'm back but am having problems creating a pastebin14:08
penguin42Str8J4ck3t: You getting an API error?14:09
dogmatic69penguin42: I guess its the weekend and everyone is using washing machines, tumble dryers etc14:09
Str8J4ck3tit's a string error of some sort.14:09
penguin42Str8J4ck3t: Are you using pastebinit?14:09
Str8J4ck3tI'm so new to the linux system, that I don't know what pastbinit is, apologies14:10
dogmatic69its still seems flaky though :(14:10
penguin42Str8J4ck3t: OK, go back a step - exactly what did you do to get this error?14:10
Str8J4ck3tI don't know what pastebinit is, I'm a very new user.14:11
penguin42Str8J4ck3t: OK, ignore that question - what exactly did you do to get a problem?14:11
Str8J4ck3tTraceback (most recent call last):14:12
Str8J4ck3t  File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py", line 957, in on_next_clicked14:12
Str8J4ck3t    self.dbfilter.ok_handler()14:12
Str8J4ck3t  File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py", line 806, in ok_handler14:12
Str8J4ck3t    self.ui.hostname_error(make_error_string(self.controller, errors))14:12
Str8J4ck3tAttributeError: 'Page' object has no attribute 'controller'14:12
Str8J4ck3tapologies, I had an issue with my Irc14:13
Str8J4ck3tapologies, irc issues14:13
penguin42Str8J4ck3t: OK, stop a sec - tell us what you were doing, and what broke14:13
Str8J4ck3tapologies, my irc stopped responding14:14
Str8J4ck3tmy irc stopped responding14:15
Str8J4ck3tmy irc stopped14:15
oimon1https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/99073214:28
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 990732 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The bug occured when i clicked next on the step "User Info". The next step was "Install" but the installer crashed and the installation was aborted." [Undecided,Confirmed]14:28
oimon1he miht have that problem14:29
penguin42oimon1: yeh that looks promising14:31
oimon1now trying swords and sorcery to see if that works :S14:35
penguin42interesting way of fixing a bug14:35
psuttonhi14:38
oimon1argh s&s fails to run :(14:39
psuttonhi14:39
oimon1i thought it would be straightforward if installed from software centre14:39
psuttonit should be14:40
oimon1the game crashses X :(14:42
penguin42oimon1: You mean X crashes - it's probably not the games fault; what graphics card/driver?14:42
dogmatic69this network is driving me mad14:44
dogmatic69sshed to another pc on the network and things like ls etc takes 2 minutes to show14:44
oimon1penguin42: intel 965GM14:45
penguin42dogmatic69: Can you flip frequency or something on them or drop down to a lower rate?14:45
oimon1similar to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12000194#post1200019414:45
dogmatic69penguin42: ?14:45
penguin42oimon1: When X restarts you should be able to get /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to look for a segfault, also dmesg14:46
dogmatic69I am now using cat5 direct14:46
penguin42dogmatic69: Oh, you're getting loss on real - have you got an IP clash?14:46
dogmatic69penguin42: with the cat it seems like no loss, but connection to another pc is dead slow14:52
dogmatic69its hanging everything14:52
dogmatic69How could I check the ip clash?14:52
penguin42dogmatic69: So hang on, describe your network14:52
dogmatic69ok, one sec14:54
dogmatic69ffs14:58
dogmatic69I think compiz just crashed14:58
dogmatic69left monitor is gone14:58
dogmatic69penguin42: http://i.imgur.com/QsV21.png14:59
dogmatic69its not enterprise level drawing :D14:59
penguin42it's one of the better ones I've seen :-)15:00
penguin42dogmatic69: OK, and which ones are you having problems communicating between?15:00
dogmatic69me and the blade15:03
penguin42ok, so it's 'me' to 5port, to 24 port to blade?15:04
dogmatic69ye15:05
penguin42ok, so a simple ping shows that type of loss?15:05
penguin42I don't suppose the 24port is smart is it?15:05
dogmatic69347 packets transmitted, 311 received, 10% packet loss, time 346276ms15:07
dogmatic69penguin42: its http://www.tenda.cn/tendacn/Product/show.aspx?productid=21015:07
penguin42dogmatic69: OK, just a simple switch15:07
penguin42dogmatic69: So do you get packet loss pinging between the two blades?15:07
dogmatic69the one is not on currently15:08
penguin42ok, what about can you ping your router?15:08
dogmatic69I can change the wiring so its router -> 24 port -> blade / 5 port15:08
penguin42well no don't change stuff until you have a plan15:09
ali1234i love it when a plan comes together15:10
penguin42ali1234: They rarely do15:10
dogmatic69router -> 24port is preferred really15:11
penguin42dogmatic69: Well yeh if you can get it down to 1 switch it's better than 215:11
dogmatic69I need the small switch or I have to 3+ long cat5's to the 24 port15:12
penguin42ok15:12
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penguin42dogmatic69: So can the blade or 'me' ping the router directly?15:12
dogmatic69ye15:12
penguin42what's the packet loss for each of those like?15:12
dogmatic69I will tell you in a sec, let it run a bit15:13
dogmatic69me -> blade 104 packets transmitted, 104 received, 0% packet loss, time 103008ms15:14
dogmatic69lies15:14
dogmatic69me to router that was15:14
dogmatic69blade -> router 86 packets transmitted, 86 received, 0% packet loss, time 85002ms15:15
penguin42hmm15:16
penguin42so that's interesting since blade-router shows there is no loss over the 24-5 port connection15:16
penguin42and the me-router shows there is no loss over the me-5port-router set15:17
penguin42so it's not any one link that's the problem15:17
dogmatic69ye15:18
dogmatic69I installed a speed test app on 'me' and blade15:18
dogmatic69its strange, most tests is 95mb/s which is good as the 24port is 100mb15:19
dogmatic69but sometimes (~10%) it will be 40 or 30 and sometimes (2%) it will not even work15:19
penguin42dogmatic69: OK, hmm15:21
penguin42dogmatic69: Was the 10% loss on the ping while the speed tester was running?15:22
jacobwafternoon15:23
penguin42true, it is15:23
dogmatic69penguin42: not sure if this makes a difference, but the blade is running bind9 and 'me' has its ip as DNS15:24
penguin42that statement doesn't make sense15:24
Jancek123hello there15:25
jacobwip as DNS?15:25
penguin42yeh15:25
jacobwhey Jancek12315:25
dogmatic69gah15:26
penguin42dogmatic69: What do you mean by 'me has it's ip as DNS' ?15:26
dogmatic69my pc is using the blade as a DNS15:26
jacobwok :)15:27
penguin42oh, ok that makes more sense15:27
dogmatic69the blade just handles *.dev domains for my web dev and passes the rest on15:27
Jancek123I have bought HP pavilion g6 1190sm. It has sandy bridge and radeon hd 6470m. Due to locked BIOS I cannot set which graphic card to use primary or anything else....so my primary in ubuntu is intergrated sandy bridges. When I want to install drivers manually via www2.ati.com/drivers/linux i get error15:27
Jancek123update-alternatives: warning: skip creation of /etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl64.icd because associated file /usr/lib/fglrx/etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl64.icd (of link group i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf) doesn't exist. and also cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of overlayfs15:27
penguin42dogmatic69: so what I'd try is check the IP of the blade and 'me' and see if the output of arp -an on both the blade and me look sane15:28
jacobwi'm trying 'castle'15:28
Jancek123i am using persistent USB to install it due to as i have no time to reformat PC back to windows again due to i require it for work. So also after installation aticonfig --initial -f generates xorg conf and --px-dgpu sets the discrete gpu but when i reboot notebook i get back low graphic mode aka tty115:28
jacobwnow i've watched all produced episodes of 'bones'15:29
dogmatic69penguin42: never seen that command before, what would be 'sane'15:29
penguin42dogmatic69: Well, it shows an IP address and the MAC address it htinks it's at - see if the mac address of hte blade as seen from  me is always correct and the other way,15:29
dogmatic69http://bin.cakephp.org/view/163800975515:30
jacobw'dexter' is the feasible successor to this entertainment15:30
jacobwi may even fall back to 'numb3rs' if all these things fail me15:30
dogmatic69penguin42: I updated that link, it has ifconfig also15:31
dogmatic69seems right15:31
penguin42yeh it does15:32
dogmatic69why does the blade have .3 ip in arp?15:33
penguin42dogmatic69: Because it has at some point spoken to it - what is .3 ?15:36
dogmatic69penguin42: 192.168.0.2 is blade, me is 192.168.0.315:36
dogmatic69penguin42: Would the connection between 'me' and 'blade' be affected by the router?15:38
penguin42dogmatic69: So that's OK, the arp table is a record of the mapping between IP to mac15:38
dogmatic69ok15:38
penguin42dogmatic69: It shouldn't be affected by the router unless something else decides to use the .0.2 or .0.3 address15:38
penguin42dogmatic69: I suppose I'd try running a tcpdump on 'me' while you run the ping and see what it sees/tries to do15:39
jacobwremember that arp tables are per ethernet segment15:41
penguin42jacobw: Yeh but he seems to have one segment15:42
* jacobw actually looks at the diagram15:43
jacobwwhat are the switches doing with regard to spanning-tree?15:45
penguin42jacobw: Yeh I did wonder, but if that's happening I'd hope that the tcpdump would show that15:46
penguin42jacobw: But if it matches the diagram that shouldn't be happening and the fact that me-router works OK suggests it's not the inbetween switch link15:46
dogmatic69I cant get it to work15:47
dogmatic69'no suitable device found'15:47
penguin42dogmatic69: sudo tcpdump -i eth0 -s 150015:47
jacobwroot15:47
dogmatic69:D15:47
dogmatic69just tried sudo15:48
jacobwtshark ftw15:49
dogmatic69ha, I think I captured the error for you guys15:49
jacobwah15:50
jacobwah15:50
jacobwah15:50
jacobwi also a problem with stp on linux bridges and cisco switches15:50
dogmatic69http://bin.cakephp.org/view/34559572715:50
jacobwthe stp implementation in linux has problem interoperating with the rstp implemenation of cisco ios15:50
dogmatic69penguin42: somewhere around line 250 the connection dropped15:52
penguin42dogmatic69: Yeh 16:48:42.402508 IP dogmatic69.local.17500 > 255.255.255.255.17500: UDP, length 12115:54
penguin42dogmatic69: is 'dogmatic69.local' the blade?15:54
jacobwcheck for a flood of ethernet frames around that time15:54
penguin42yeh there are loads of them15:54
dogmatic69penguin42: that is from the default install?15:54
dogmatic69how would i know that?15:55
penguin42dogmatic69: ping dogmatic69.local    does that get you the ip of the blade?15:55
penguin42dogmatic69: Also I think if you run tcpdump with probably -n   it will just show IP address rather than names15:56
dogmatic69from 'me' its the .3 so its 'me'15:56
penguin42dogmatic69: OK15:56
dogmatic69from the blade its 'host not found'15:56
penguin42dogmatic69: So for some reason at that point 'me' splurts out zillions of UDP packets15:56
penguin42dogmatic69: All broadcast15:56
penguin42dogmatic69: Are you running a dropbox thing?15:57
dogmatic69I have ntop installed, but that is new from today. issue is long running15:57
dogmatic69penguin42: yes, I have dropbox15:57
dogmatic69its on 'me'15:57
penguin42dogmatic69: Kill it off15:59
dogmatic69holly cow.16:00
dogmatic69I just ran tcpdump with -n16:00
dogmatic69http://bin.cakephp.org/view/165156265316:00
dogmatic69that is a *snip*16:00
penguin42curious - who is .0.5 ?16:00
dogmatic69I am busy checking16:01
dogmatic69lots of devices :D16:01
penguin42hmmm16:01
penguin42dogmatic69: So that's a different screw up from what I noticed in the last one; the last one was UDP broadcasts on a port that tends to be dropbox16:01
penguin42dogmatic69: What that set is I don't know16:02
dogmatic69how can I figure out what this ip address is16:03
penguin42dogmatic69: does arp -an show the MAC address for it?16:03
dogmatic69oh16:03
dogmatic69I got it16:03
dogmatic69its a wireless ap16:03
dogmatic69ok killed that16:04
dogmatic69killed dropbox16:04
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dogmatic69not seeing any UDP floods yet16:06
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penguin42dogmatic69: see how that survives now; I've never seen anything emit a spew of IGMP stuff like that; and I don't know why dropbox was going nuts like that16:06
penguin42dogmatic69: But is your ping to the blade stable now?16:06
dogmatic69from the blade to me has been 100% so far16:06
dogmatic69tcpdump also running and seems to be 'normal'16:06
penguin42ok good16:07
penguin42dogmatic69: is 'me' a laptop with both wifi and ether?16:07
dogmatic69no, desktop16:07
penguin42ok16:07
dogmatic6917:07:11.110987 IP 192.168.0.7.137 > 192.168.0.255.137: NBT UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST16:07
dogmatic6917:07:11.111131 IP 192.168.0.3.138 > 192.168.0.255.138: NBT UDP PACKET(138)16:07
dogmatic69just noticed that in the tcpdump16:07
dogmatic69not many16:07
penguin42yeh one or two is fine16:07
dogmatic69its two different pc's16:08
penguin42dogmatic69: That's just samba saying hello16:08
dogmatic69my gf's windows16:08
dogmatic69ah ok16:08
gebbionehi all, for some reason as soon as i open a wine program my windows frames (including borders, maximise, minimise etc ) disappear, anyone has the same problem or can guess why it is happening?16:08
penguin42gebbione: That's youre window maanger crashing for some reason16:08
dogmatic69penguin42: thanks for the help, seems good so far16:08
dogmatic69If it remains stable I will try the EoP again as I think it was the wireless AP going nuts16:09
gebbionepenguin42, but windows are all still working fine, anyway i can restart fix it?16:09
gebbionepenguin42, apart from the border i mean all is ok16:10
penguin42dogmatic69: Yeh, I can kind of imagine that the bad-ap might have been confusing dropbox into thinking the network changes16:10
penguin42gebbione: Yeh that's what happens when the window manager goes pop16:10
penguin42gebbione: I've not got unity running at the moment, so I'm not sure of what the name of the unity window manager is - but it's normally something like   unity --replace16:11
dogmatic69penguin42: it kinda makes sense, it was set up for router -> wifi -> ap -> wifi and was now connected router -> 24port -> ap -> wifi16:11
gebbioneunity --replace fixed it16:12
penguin42gebbione: It kind of sounds like you're hitting bug 738275 although that's a dupe of 72704116:13
lubotu3Launchpad bug 727041 in compiz (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #738275 unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72704116:13
penguin42gebbione: But that claims to have been fix released a while ago16:14
penguin42gebbione: Anyway, that's the way to get them back if it does crash16:14
gebbionemy system is always updated16:15
gebbioneso this same problems is caused by something else16:15
gebbionein the above it does not talk about wine at all16:15
penguin42gebbione: Likely it's either just another bug in unity/compiz or it's possibly also a graphics driver bug could do it16:15
gebbionei get this problem only when i execute a wine emulated application16:15
penguin42gebbione: Yeh bug 738275 is closer but was duped to that other one - so maybe the same cause at some point16:16
lubotu3Launchpad bug 727041 in compiz (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #738275 unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72704116:16
oimon1fixed the issue with swordsandsworcery by installing the v1.0 deb which is the download from HIB. the v1.56 in software center seg fauls16:43
oimon1also, the software centre version seems to be the i386 version only :-\16:43
penguin42the 'fence' mechanism in X11R7.7 sounds promising for doing screen sharing stuff on OpenGL desktops?16:58
directhexyay free software17:08
directhexali1234: bastion joypad fix incoming very soon17:08
oimon1anyone got suggestions for making limbo work quicker?17:13
oimon1like running standalone rather than windowed17:13
directhexoimon, do you have the latest build?17:14
oimon1i downloaded it from software centre...17:14
oimon11.0-0ubuntu417:14
oimon1hmm. v1.31 in HIB page17:15
oimon1seems that USC integration is a bit of a fail17:16
directhexoimon1: i don't know who at canonical is responsible for that (if anyone). popey, any clues?17:16
oimon1wondering if there's different version numbers coming into play17:17
ali1234oimon1: i wrote how to fix it on ask ubuntu17:25
oimon1downloading from HIB page doesn't help..actually on that one the sound doesn't work.17:25
ali1234tl;dr run it with distro wine, not the crap version it's bundled with17:25
ali1234"no sound" is also answered in another question on AU... guess what, the answer is the same17:26
oimon1i tried that, but winetricks dx9 didn't work17:26
ali1234winetricks is kinda broken17:26
oimon1ali1234: can you provide link the the AU page pls?17:27
ali1234http://askubuntu.com/questions/144915/limbo-game-has-no-sound17:27
directhexinstalling microsoft directx is usually a bad idea, since wine has its own implementation17:27
oimon1merci17:27
ali1234http://askubuntu.com/questions/145528/how-to-run-humble-bundle-v-games-on-a-system-with-nvidia-twinview/145529#14552917:27
ali1234yeah but luckily wine can do dll overides on a per exe basis17:28
directhexbehaviour can be a bit... squiffy... with ms libs17:28
directhexyeah, you need to know which libs to native & which to inbuilt17:28
ali1234EVE for example has a launcher... and the launcher needs the MS libs, while the game only runs with the wine versions17:28
ali1234so far super meat boy is the only game that worked 100% correctly out the box17:29
ali1234bastion is the next best though. just needs joystick17:30
oimon1hmm..get a blue screen then limbo exit17:30
ali1234super meat boy is actually more fun and less annoying than i thought it was going to be17:31
directhexali1234: srsly joystik fix for bastion is so close17:31
ali1234yeah? is it all related to that gamepad bridge stuff?17:32
directhexali1234: as in "Merge pull request #509 from urkle/LinuxGamePadFixes" "CartBlanche authored 21 minutes ago"17:32
ali1234if (Sdl.SDL_JoystickName(x).Contains("Microsoft")17:33
directhexali1234: https://github.com/urkle is the bastion porter's page, he's now engaging with upstream to push fixes & pull new code17:33
ali1234HA i knew it was related to that stuff17:33
ali1234there is just one thing though17:33
ali1234xbox vs xbox360 button layout is ever so slightly different17:34
ali1234so i hope it doesn't hide the config if it detects a microsoft pad or something silly like that17:34
ali1234anyway that's pretty cool and all17:35
directhexali1234: i dunno, just thought you'd be interested to know it was being actively hacked on, in a properly FOSS manner17:35
dogmatic69penguin42: all good still, will be trying out the EoP again18:17
dogmatic69thanks for the help, and tools for debugging :)18:17
penguin42np18:33
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Azelphur[18:41:50 BST] Josh: http://i.imgur.com/Li3jY.jpg <-- I asked my dad for a 640GB HDD for my birthday19:33
Azelphurhaha xD19:33
penguin42mdadm.....19:33
Azelphurindeed19:33
brobostigonusb hubs, and raid, :)19:34
Azelphurisn't raid on a USB hub pointless as the speed bottlenecks19:34
penguin42there is someone who does like a 100 port USB hub19:34
brobostigonno idea.19:34
Azelphurhaha19:35
penguin42Azelphur: Yeh, although with USB3....19:35
Azelphurindeed, USB 3 might save the day :)19:35
brobostigon:)19:35
penguin42http://www.coolthings.com/80-port-usb-hub-wants-to-charge-your-cellphone-ipod-digicam-and-77-more-gadgets-at-the-same-time/19:35
Azelphurhehe19:36
brobostigon:)19:36
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ali1234is that actually a hub or just power?20:10
ali1234most likely it's for shops who have a load of phones and etc powered up 24 hours on display20:11
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penguin42ali1234: I think I saw somewhere selling an actual hub of that type of size20:15
popey18:16:51 #ubuntu-uk: < directhex> oimon1: i don't know who at canonical is responsible for that (if anyone). popey, any clues?21:18
popeydavid pitkin21:18
directhexsee, popey has all the answers21:19
popeyali1234 / directhex / oimon I'd appreciate it if you could summarise issues in bugs and I'll make sure the right people see them21:22
ali1234bugs in what?21:22
popeyHIB games/WINE/packaging21:22
ali1234ok21:22
directhexpopey: i'm not using the ubuntu store versions of things, since i'm an impatient sod. but others here are :p21:23
ali1234i reported the super meat boy icon bug to john pugh by email, cos he's the listed support contact on software cantre :)21:23
ali1234popey: but, if you want us to report bugs, what are we supposed to report them against?21:23
ali1234you can't report bugs against the packages cos they're in private repos21:23
popeyjohn is also a good person to mail21:24
ali1234at least i assume that is why21:24
popeyI dont specifically want you to file bugs, just making sure that people other than the people in this irc channel see it21:25
ali1234but... how?21:25
popeyemailing john is fine21:25
ali1234that's the only packaging bug i found so far21:26
ali1234the issues with dual monitor affect everything SDL, really that environment variable should be set by default everywhere21:26
ali1234and wine is... well wine21:26
ali1234what works for one person probably won't work for another21:27
ali1234sometimes you have to do the exact opposite of what the guides say21:27
ali1234then they release a new version and it all breaks again21:27
ali1234i'm just waiting on that psychonauts package now :)21:29
popeythats the 4GB one?21:30
popeyinteresting bugs are discovered when you upload a >4GB deb :D21:30
ali1234yeah21:31
ali1234is braid supposed to run in a postage stamp sized area in the middle of the monitor?21:31
popeynot tried braid yet21:31
ali1234it looks like it could be a variant of that youtube bug21:31
ali1234where it letterboxes it for the aspect of both monitors, then squashes it onto one21:32
ali1234if so, that's an upstream bug21:32
ali1234lone survivor doesn't appear to work at all, it loads up "adobe flash player 10" window which immediately closes21:32
ali1234flash game? and you thought wine was bad21:32
popey21:33
jacobwwine ftw21:34
* jacobw wants to make unity launchers for wine apps21:34
ali1234that's easy21:35
ali1234very easy in fact21:35
ali1234installers will do it automatically21:35
ali1234if not, here's one i made:21:35
ali1234http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032783/21:35
ali1234put it in ~/.local/share/applications/Steam.desktop21:36
ali1234that will work correctly with unity pinning too21:37
ali1234my favourite game so far is the sword & sworcery sound track :)21:40
jacobwdoes it work with bamf?21:47
ali1234yes21:47
ali1234well it does for all the programs i've tried21:48
jacobwbamf feedback is my priority21:48
ali1234feedback?21:48
jacobwlaunch, status, number of instances21:48
ali1234like "eeeeeoOOOOOOEOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOooooooo"21:49
jacobwhehe21:49
ali1234nothing i run in wine has need of more than 1 instance21:49
jacobwthere's no documentation on bamf :(21:49
ali1234everything else works correctly21:50
jacobwi shouldn't need more than one instance of each application21:50
jacobwi have 3 versions of a windows only management for management of network devices that the users i support currently run in a windows VM21:52
ali1234reverse engineer the protocol and rewrite it in qt21:52
jacobwi'm trying to provide these applications on their unity desktops with wine21:53
ali1234yeah that should work fine if it runs in wine at all21:53
ali1234i suspect that bamf works properly only if you use explorer fake desktop mode21:54
ali1234which you should always use for games anyway cos it's the only way to make them not crash all the time21:54
jacobwthere's no problem with wine compatibility21:54
ali1234thought hinking about it, spotify always worked ok with bamf21:54
ali1234the wine version actually more compatible with bamf than the native linux one21:55
ali1234probably due to static libs in the native build21:55
jacobwyeah, i'm guessing that bamf checks dbus for changes in application status and windows21:55
ali1234i have no idea how it works and i've given up seriously trying to use it21:55
jacobw'listens to', rather than 'checks' seems better21:55
jacobwlike i said, there is no documentation21:56
ali1234the code changes so fast that it would be pointless21:56
jacobwunity is a fustrating at times21:56
jacobw'this is the way its going to work' →  'yeah, we've implemented something different now'21:57
ali1234to be fair, most of the changes are for the better21:57
brobostigonhttp://blog.taylorworld.me.uk/ does anyone recognise the drupal/php error at the to there, i cant work out, why it is there.21:58
ali1234i don't see any error22:00
ali1234probably logged in users only22:01
brobostigonNotice: unserialize(): Error at offset 0 of 4 bytes in _drupal_session_read() (line 107 of /var/www/drupal/includes/session.inc).22:01
brobostigonthats the error.22:01
ali1234ok that's a cookie error22:01
ali1234or rather, an error that you at least need cookies enabled to trigger22:01
ali1234still can't trigger it as anon user though, even if i allow cookies22:02
brobostigonso, something requires cookies, but can enable such?22:02
ali1234i bet it's related to your little cookie warning plugin though22:02
jacobwbetter doesn't preclude fustrating :)22:02
* jacobw is still happy with unity22:02
brobostigonali1234: ah,22:02
brobostigonali1234: what would you say i need to look for?22:03
ali1234i dunno. try disabling that plugin?22:03
brobostigonali1234: ok.22:03
ali1234look at line 107 of session.inc22:03
ali1234add debugging statements22:03
ali1234figure out why it crashes22:03
ali1234look at the web server log22:03
brobostigonali1234: i havent seen anything in perticuler, related in apaches logs.22:04
TheFredGood evening y'all :)22:05
jacobwhi TheFred22:07
TheFredHello jacobw :)22:07
directhexbrobostigon: loads here, but hella slow22:07
brobostigondirecthex: yes, it always has been on the slow side.22:09
TheFredbrobostigon, whats slow?22:09
brobostigonTheFred: depends, some find my server fast-ish, and some more slower, as directhex said above.22:10
TheFredah! maybe depends on ISP and real-time routing over the net i guess22:11
brobostigonTheFred: possible.22:11
TheFredI know some ISP's (three for example) dont like ssh..22:12
jacobwinternet routing is fairly stable22:12
jacobwssh is always possible :)22:13
TheFrednot for me, I mainly go online over my mobile and it depends on the weather/time of day/etc...22:13
TheFredyes, its always possible, but the lag can be a bitch22:13
jacobwproblems with 3G are one thing22:14
TheFredyup, tonight I have full bars of reception and a HSDPA connect so its blazing, but yesterday I could only get about 25622:16
TheFredKps22:16
brobostigoninteresting, i do not get the above error in iceweasel, but do in chrome.22:16
brobostigonweird.22:16
jacobwsounds workable22:20
brobostigonatleast. now i know, it is directly related to chrome.22:23
jacobwperhaps its a drupal js chrome bug22:25
brobostigonpossible, yes.22:25
brobostigonanyays, something to solve in the morning, with a fresh mind.22:26
brobostigongood night everyone.22:26
TheFredgnight, brobostigon22:28
brobostigongood night TheFred22:28
dogmatic69pastebinit is retuning the url only, not with the code22:30
* bigcalm looks in for a bit22:30
dogmatic69Saw an update today for pastebinit and someone borked it :(22:30
* TheFred chilling to hbr1 : dream factory22:31
bigcalmDoes the sound work for anybody in Limbo? Or is it just my system that's at fault?22:32
TheFredbigcalm, which sound do you mean?22:38
bigcalmTheFred: Humble Indy Bundle game Limbo - no music or game fx22:38
TheFredah - ok,context, thats helps me understand, but i dont have a solution. sorry22:39
bigcalm:)22:39
TheFredHere's my question: what do you think about the possability of voice input for ubuntu?22:40
TheFredIm working on a project to provide voice input (not control...yet) and could use some testers... anyone game?22:43
TheFrednobody?22:48
TheFredThe software will be available through the software center when ready22:49
TheFredThere's just the last 20% to polish before im happy to release it22:50
penguin42You mean I'll be able to shout 'Terminal; rm -rf / enter '22:52
bigcalmpenguin42: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=2012032022:54
penguin42bigcalm: Haha - but it's much older joke than that22:55
bigcalmThat's odd22:56
bigcalmMust be re-runs22:56
TheFredpenguin42, YES!22:56
bigcalmI recall that strip from 10+ years ago22:56
TheFredI am testing it here now22:57
penguin42there was a DOS varient of the joke22:57
TheFredit manly works ok22:57
TheFredI am designing it with email or skype instant messaging in mind as well as the usual email22:58
* bigcalm hits the shower22:59
bigcalmPoor shower22:59
TheFredshower abuse :-s22:59
TheFredo_O22:59
jacobwi don't understand23:04
jacobwhow is the voice recognition being done?23:04
TheFredIm creating an android app to do the hard work, then sending to ubuntu socket23:05
jacobwubuntu socket?23:05
TheFredtcp23:05
TheFredthen xdotool enters the text into currently focused cursor area23:06
jacobwit seems to me that you would have a voice recognition stub on the android device utilising whatever voice recognition is available communicating with a process on the ubuntu machine that matches the text to an action23:07
TheFredyes23:08
jacobwusing ssh or some other thing with tls would make sense for the network transport, and you would need a number of 'actions', which would presumably be functions in whichever language the process is written in23:09
* jacobw suggests using python and twisted 23:09
jacobwi don't know what xdotool, i would accept using unity/compiz specific methods of text input to arbitary windows instead of using something X related23:11
jacobwanyhow, it's an extensive project, good luck :)23:11
penguin42jacobw: Or send dbus (or what ever the current fad) messages23:11
TheFredthanks, jacobw23:12
jacobwah, i hadn't thought about that23:12
TheFredhmm, dbus... thats food for thought23:12
penguin42either that or wrangle them through HUD?23:12
jacobwi've been told so many times that dbus is not like kde3's dcop, then it turns out that it is23:12
jacobwHUD would awesome23:13
* jacobw → sleep23:13
TheFredheh - seems like i must regulate mission creep for this :)23:15
penguin42ah yes that can happen :-)23:15
ali1234xdotool isn't very good23:17
ali1234it's very ... raw23:17
ali1234better to make a real input method... which i think is done with dbus23:17
TheFredso far im finding a combo of xdotool and AutoKey to be highly effective23:18
ali1234yeah but it is racy23:18
TheFredbut i take what you say on board, ali123423:18
ali1234if i'm clicking the mouse and talking, half the letters can end up in the wron place with xdotool, if focus changes23:18
TheFredit gets a bit hairy when im using the voice input to modify phrases in autokey :)23:18
ali1234a real IME can block other events to stop bad thnigs like that happening23:18
ali1234it can also be more flexible23:19
ali1234more work of course23:19
TheFredThats the distinction: voice input, not voice control, thats the next step23:19
ali1234yeah23:19
ali1234voice control, through the hud, would be very good. it would make the hud actually useful23:19
TheFredyup - but its a can of worms if i dont manage the project properly23:20
penguin42ali1234: It feels like what it is designed for23:20
ali1234well voice control is closer to a shell than to a GUI23:20
ali1234HUD is somewhere in between23:20
TheFredwell, the good news is that this week coming i have 5 full days sheduled to the final polish23:20
ali1234TheFred: are you the same guy who was here before talking about this?23:21
ali1234or on ask ubuntu or something23:21
TheFredyes, a few months back23:21
ali1234i remember someone else using android for voice API23:21
ali1234cos it is done online by google and therefore actually good23:21
TheFredyes, I have thick cornish/dorset/somerset accent, and it manages around 98% accuracy23:22
penguin42'Four candles'23:23
TheFredhahahahaha23:23
TheFredno: fork handles :)23:23
ali1234'andles for forks23:23
penguin42I wish they used that instead of pids23:23
TheFredvery good penguin42, points awarded :D23:24
TheFredi dont follow? pids in which context?23:24
ali1234but handles are duplicated across forks, no?23:24
TheFreddepends on the Freds...23:25
TheFred*Threads23:25
TheFredcan some one please post a forward slash - my layout doesn't have it23:26
TheFredi can get / but not the other23:26
penguin42oh you mean a backward slash23:26
penguin42 \23:26
penguin42are you sure it's not on your # key23:27
TheFredyea - im getting tired now: been rowing for an hour23:27
TheFrednah ... i can get # and ~, but not the opposite of /23:27
penguin42have you tried turning youre keyboard around?23:27
TheFred!"£$%^&*()_-+=[{]}#~:;@'<,>.?/23:28
TheFreddamit23:28
ali1234what keyboard is it?23:28
TheFredtravelmate 2500 - english, but with arabic sub-chars on the keys23:29
ali1234full size enter key?23:29
TheFredYES23:29
TheFredsorry - yes23:30
ali1234hmm no pipe key either?23:31
TheFredyes - which frustrates me .. until i installed autokey, and that helps23:31
TheFredmeh... seems my change from 10.10 to 12.04 has a different location for xdotool, this will make for interesting packaging ...23:51
dogmatic69anyone know of a non ruby version of http://godrb.com/23:56
ali1234nagios?23:57
ali1234upstart?23:57
ali1234systemd??23:57
TheFredThat URL reads like a religious joke : installing god on a darwin system....23:58
TheFredisnt that blasphemy?23:59
ali1234yes23:59
ali1234but nobody cares23:59

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