[08:43] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:10] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:16] <brobostigon> 1info libx86
[09:16] <brobostigon> !info libx86
[09:18] <brobostigon> !info libx86-1
[09:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:08] <directhex> howdy howdy howdy
[10:09] <brobostigon> hewdy directhex
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> directhex: don't forget the "y'all"
[10:09] <directhex> MartijnVdS: that is also an option
[10:09] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[10:10]  * MartijnVdS recommends http://xxyyxx.bandcamp.com/album/xxyyxx
[10:13] <bigcalm> I thought the music was very weird, then realised that another tab was already playing music
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[10:24]  * directhex mutters
[10:24] <mattt> MartijnVdS: sounds a bit too much like ivan dafydd or gang colours
[10:26] <mattt> MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6CTmKgz1i0
[10:26] <bigcalm> Hazzar. Just fixed a MySQL query I was head-desking over yesterday
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> mattt: oooh!
[10:57] <mattt> MartijnVdS: absolutely love that :D
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> mattt: someone did a remix of the Dutch news like that a few years ago
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSKRePzN03s
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> (visual style)
[11:03] <mattt> MartijnVdS: will check it in a few, watching the wales/australia game :P
[11:03] <mattt> (and will get beaten if i disturb it with music)
[12:56] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to fix 48% packet loss :/
[13:20] <hi6> lol
[13:31] <Str8J4ck3t> new user, need assist, can anyone help
[13:32] <Str8J4ck3t> nobody?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> Str8J4ck3t: Ask your question, and we'll do our best to answer
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[13:34] <psutton> hi
[13:34] <Str8J4ck3t> thank you.  I've started running Kubuntu from a live usb, however, I'm trying to run the actual to-disk install over windows 7 and the install keeps failing.  any suggestions on how I can fix this?
[13:35] <psutton> could be a hardware issue
[13:36] <psutton> try running the cd test
[13:36] <Str8J4ck3t> how do I run the cd test?
[13:37] <psutton> boot menu
[13:37] <brobostigon> any error output when it fails?
[13:37] <psutton> i guess it will check if your running from usb the actual usb drive
[13:37] <psutton> not sure if  but the cd test is bult in i assume it will work
[13:37] <psutton> if you boot from usb but just differently
[13:38] <Str8J4ck3t> I do get an error when it fails.
[13:38] <psutton> you should do
[13:38] <brobostigon> what does it say?
[13:38] <psutton> if you choose test i assume it runs a test and lets you know if there are errors
[13:39] <brobostigon> psutton: the media checking thingie?
[13:39] <Str8J4ck3t> I'll post the error in just a moment, I'll have to try to run the app again.
[13:39] <psutton> use paste bin to post the error if u can
[13:39] <brobostigon> Str8J4ck3t: if it is long, pastebin it.
[13:40] <psutton> brobostigon, will that work in the same way if booting from usb
[13:40] <Str8J4ck3t> okay, thank you, I'll be back in a moment
[13:40] <brobostigon> psutton: i dont see why not. just checking what you were refferring to.
[13:41] <psutton> when you boot up you get the option of media / cd check
[13:41] <psutton> from the ubuntu cds
[13:41] <brobostigon> yes.
[13:41] <psutton> i was thinking if the install was failing there could be a media issue somewhere
[13:41] <psutton> other than that hardware
[13:41] <brobostigon> agreed, maybe, worth checking.
[13:42] <psutton> see what Str8J4ck3t comes back with
[13:42] <psutton> i am at a lug meet so have limited aceess to stuff
[13:42] <brobostigon> ok.
[13:56] <psutton> back
[13:58] <oimon1> limbo runs unbearably slow for me :( thought it might be OK on my laptop
[14:06] <dogmatic69> Using eth over power, 85% packet loss :/
[14:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I assume it depends on how clean the mains is and other users on your phase?
[14:07] <dogmatic69> ye. Today it just went down the drain
[14:07] <dogmatic69> its been ok, but since last night...
[14:08] <penguin42> so either you've switched something else on, or someone else close has just bought something near
[14:08] <dogmatic69> now have cat5 across the lounge, up the stairs and into the spare room
[14:08] <dogmatic69> internet++
[14:08] <Str8J4ck3t> I'm back but am having problems creating a pastebin
[14:09] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: You getting an API error?
[14:09] <dogmatic69> penguin42: I guess its the weekend and everyone is using washing machines, tumble dryers etc
[14:09] <Str8J4ck3t> it's a string error of some sort.
[14:09] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: Are you using pastebinit?
[14:10] <Str8J4ck3t> I'm so new to the linux system, that I don't know what pastbinit is, apologies
[14:10] <dogmatic69> its still seems flaky though :(
[14:10] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: OK, go back a step - exactly what did you do to get this error?
[14:11] <Str8J4ck3t> I don't know what pastebinit is, I'm a very new user.
[14:11] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: OK, ignore that question - what exactly did you do to get a problem?
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t>   File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py", line 957, in on_next_clicked
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t>     self.dbfilter.ok_handler()
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t>   File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py", line 806, in ok_handler
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t>     self.ui.hostname_error(make_error_string(self.controller, errors))
[14:12] <Str8J4ck3t> AttributeError: 'Page' object has no attribute 'controller'
[14:13] <Str8J4ck3t> apologies, I had an issue with my Irc
[14:13] <Str8J4ck3t> apologies, irc issues
[14:13] <penguin42> Str8J4ck3t: OK, stop a sec - tell us what you were doing, and what broke
[14:14] <Str8J4ck3t> apologies, my irc stopped responding
[14:15] <Str8J4ck3t> my irc stopped responding
[14:15] <Str8J4ck3t> my irc stopped
[14:28] <oimon1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/990732
[14:29] <oimon1> he miht have that problem
[14:31] <penguin42> oimon1: yeh that looks promising
[14:35] <oimon1> now trying swords and sorcery to see if that works :S
[14:35] <penguin42> interesting way of fixing a bug
[14:38] <psutton> hi
[14:39] <oimon1> argh s&s fails to run :(
[14:39] <psutton> hi
[14:39] <oimon1> i thought it would be straightforward if installed from software centre
[14:40] <psutton> it should be
[14:42] <oimon1> the game crashses X :(
[14:42] <penguin42> oimon1: You mean X crashes - it's probably not the games fault; what graphics card/driver?
[14:44] <dogmatic69> this network is driving me mad
[14:44] <dogmatic69> sshed to another pc on the network and things like ls etc takes 2 minutes to show
[14:45] <oimon1> penguin42: intel 965GM
[14:45] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Can you flip frequency or something on them or drop down to a lower rate?
[14:45] <oimon1> similar to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12000194#post12000194
[14:45] <dogmatic69> penguin42: ?
[14:46] <penguin42> oimon1: When X restarts you should be able to get /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to look for a segfault, also dmesg
[14:46] <dogmatic69> I am now using cat5 direct
[14:46] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Oh, you're getting loss on real - have you got an IP clash?
[14:52] <dogmatic69> penguin42: with the cat it seems like no loss, but connection to another pc is dead slow
[14:52] <dogmatic69> its hanging everything
[14:52] <dogmatic69> How could I check the ip clash?
[14:52] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So hang on, describe your network
[14:54] <dogmatic69> ok, one sec
[14:58] <dogmatic69> ffs
[14:58] <dogmatic69> I think compiz just crashed
[14:58] <dogmatic69> left monitor is gone
[14:59] <dogmatic69> penguin42: http://i.imgur.com/QsV21.png
[14:59] <dogmatic69> its not enterprise level drawing :D
[15:00] <penguin42> it's one of the better ones I've seen :-)
[15:00] <penguin42> dogmatic69: OK, and which ones are you having problems communicating between?
[15:03] <dogmatic69> me and the blade
[15:04] <penguin42> ok, so it's 'me' to 5port, to 24 port to blade?
[15:05] <dogmatic69> ye
[15:05] <penguin42> ok, so a simple ping shows that type of loss?
[15:05] <penguin42> I don't suppose the 24port is smart is it?
[15:07] <dogmatic69> 347 packets transmitted, 311 received, 10% packet loss, time 346276ms
[15:07] <dogmatic69> penguin42: its http://www.tenda.cn/tendacn/Product/show.aspx?productid=210
[15:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: OK, just a simple switch
[15:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So do you get packet loss pinging between the two blades?
[15:08] <dogmatic69> the one is not on currently
[15:08] <penguin42> ok, what about can you ping your router?
[15:08] <dogmatic69> I can change the wiring so its router -> 24 port -> blade / 5 port
[15:09] <penguin42> well no don't change stuff until you have a plan
[15:10] <ali1234> i love it when a plan comes together
[15:10] <penguin42> ali1234: They rarely do
[15:11] <dogmatic69> router -> 24port is preferred really
[15:11] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Well yeh if you can get it down to 1 switch it's better than 2
[15:12] <dogmatic69> I need the small switch or I have to 3+ long cat5's to the 24 port
[15:12] <penguin42> ok
[15:12] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So can the blade or 'me' ping the router directly?
[15:12] <dogmatic69> ye
[15:12] <penguin42> what's the packet loss for each of those like?
[15:13] <dogmatic69> I will tell you in a sec, let it run a bit
[15:14] <dogmatic69> me -> blade 104 packets transmitted, 104 received, 0% packet loss, time 103008ms
[15:14] <dogmatic69> lies
[15:14] <dogmatic69> me to router that was
[15:15] <dogmatic69> blade -> router 86 packets transmitted, 86 received, 0% packet loss, time 85002ms
[15:16] <penguin42> hmm
[15:16] <penguin42> so that's interesting since blade-router shows there is no loss over the 24-5 port connection
[15:17] <penguin42> and the me-router shows there is no loss over the me-5port-router set
[15:17] <penguin42> so it's not any one link that's the problem
[15:18] <dogmatic69> ye
[15:18] <dogmatic69> I installed a speed test app on 'me' and blade
[15:19] <dogmatic69> its strange, most tests is 95mb/s which is good as the 24port is 100mb
[15:19] <dogmatic69> but sometimes (~10%) it will be 40 or 30 and sometimes (2%) it will not even work
[15:21] <penguin42> dogmatic69: OK, hmm
[15:22] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Was the 10% loss on the ping while the speed tester was running?
[15:23] <jacobw> afternoon
[15:23] <penguin42> true, it is
[15:24] <dogmatic69> penguin42: not sure if this makes a difference, but the blade is running bind9 and 'me' has its ip as DNS
[15:24] <penguin42> that statement doesn't make sense
[15:25] <Jancek123> hello there
[15:25] <jacobw> ip as DNS?
[15:25] <penguin42> yeh
[15:25] <jacobw> hey Jancek123
[15:26] <dogmatic69> gah
[15:26] <penguin42> dogmatic69: What do you mean by 'me has it's ip as DNS' ?
[15:26] <dogmatic69> my pc is using the blade as a DNS
[15:27] <jacobw> ok :)
[15:27] <penguin42> oh, ok that makes more sense
[15:27] <dogmatic69> the blade just handles *.dev domains for my web dev and passes the rest on
[15:27] <Jancek123> I have bought HP pavilion g6 1190sm. It has sandy bridge and radeon hd 6470m. Due to locked BIOS I cannot set which graphic card to use primary or anything else....so my primary in ubuntu is intergrated sandy bridges. When I want to install drivers manually via www2.ati.com/drivers/linux i get error
[15:27] <Jancek123> update-alternatives: warning: skip creation of /etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl64.icd because associated file /usr/lib/fglrx/etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl64.icd (of link group i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf) doesn't exist. and also cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of overlayfs
[15:28] <penguin42> dogmatic69: so what I'd try is check the IP of the blade and 'me' and see if the output of arp -an on both the blade and me look sane
[15:28] <jacobw> i'm trying 'castle'
[15:28] <Jancek123> i am using persistent USB to install it due to as i have no time to reformat PC back to windows again due to i require it for work. So also after installation aticonfig --initial -f generates xorg conf and --px-dgpu sets the discrete gpu but when i reboot notebook i get back low graphic mode aka tty1
[15:29] <jacobw> now i've watched all produced episodes of 'bones'
[15:29] <dogmatic69> penguin42: never seen that command before, what would be 'sane'
[15:29] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Well, it shows an IP address and the MAC address it htinks it's at - see if the mac address of hte blade as seen from  me is always correct and the other way,
[15:30] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1638009755
[15:30] <jacobw> 'dexter' is the feasible successor to this entertainment
[15:30] <jacobw> i may even fall back to 'numb3rs' if all these things fail me
[15:31] <dogmatic69> penguin42: I updated that link, it has ifconfig also
[15:31] <dogmatic69> seems right
[15:32] <penguin42> yeh it does
[15:33] <dogmatic69> why does the blade have .3 ip in arp?
[15:36] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Because it has at some point spoken to it - what is .3 ?
[15:36] <dogmatic69> penguin42: 192.168.0.2 is blade, me is 192.168.0.3
[15:38] <dogmatic69> penguin42: Would the connection between 'me' and 'blade' be affected by the router?
[15:38] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So that's OK, the arp table is a record of the mapping between IP to mac
[15:38] <dogmatic69> ok
[15:38] <penguin42> dogmatic69: It shouldn't be affected by the router unless something else decides to use the .0.2 or .0.3 address
[15:39] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I suppose I'd try running a tcpdump on 'me' while you run the ping and see what it sees/tries to do
[15:41] <jacobw> remember that arp tables are per ethernet segment
[15:42] <penguin42> jacobw: Yeh but he seems to have one segment
[15:43]  * jacobw actually looks at the diagram
[15:45] <jacobw> what are the switches doing with regard to spanning-tree?
[15:46] <penguin42> jacobw: Yeh I did wonder, but if that's happening I'd hope that the tcpdump would show that
[15:46] <penguin42> jacobw: But if it matches the diagram that shouldn't be happening and the fact that me-router works OK suggests it's not the inbetween switch link
[15:47] <dogmatic69> I cant get it to work
[15:47] <dogmatic69> 'no suitable device found'
[15:47] <penguin42> dogmatic69: sudo tcpdump -i eth0 -s 1500
[15:47] <jacobw> root
[15:47] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:48] <dogmatic69> just tried sudo
[15:49] <jacobw> tshark ftw
[15:49] <dogmatic69> ha, I think I captured the error for you guys
[15:50] <jacobw> ah
[15:50] <jacobw> ah
[15:50] <jacobw> ah
[15:50] <jacobw> i also a problem with stp on linux bridges and cisco switches
[15:50] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/345595727
[15:50] <jacobw> the stp implementation in linux has problem interoperating with the rstp implemenation of cisco ios
[15:52] <dogmatic69> penguin42: somewhere around line 250 the connection dropped
[15:54] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Yeh 16:48:42.402508 IP dogmatic69.local.17500 > 255.255.255.255.17500: UDP, length 121
[15:54] <penguin42> dogmatic69: is 'dogmatic69.local' the blade?
[15:54] <jacobw> check for a flood of ethernet frames around that time
[15:54] <penguin42> yeh there are loads of them
[15:54] <dogmatic69> penguin42: that is from the default install?
[15:55] <dogmatic69> how would i know that?
[15:55] <penguin42> dogmatic69: ping dogmatic69.local    does that get you the ip of the blade?
[15:56] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Also I think if you run tcpdump with probably -n   it will just show IP address rather than names
[15:56] <dogmatic69> from 'me' its the .3 so its 'me'
[15:56] <penguin42> dogmatic69: OK
[15:56] <dogmatic69> from the blade its 'host not found'
[15:56] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So for some reason at that point 'me' splurts out zillions of UDP packets
[15:56] <penguin42> dogmatic69: All broadcast
[15:57] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Are you running a dropbox thing?
[15:57] <dogmatic69> I have ntop installed, but that is new from today. issue is long running
[15:57] <dogmatic69> penguin42: yes, I have dropbox
[15:57] <dogmatic69> its on 'me'
[15:59] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Kill it off
[16:00] <dogmatic69> holly cow.
[16:00] <dogmatic69> I just ran tcpdump with -n
[16:00] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1651562653
[16:00] <dogmatic69> that is a *snip*
[16:00] <penguin42> curious - who is .0.5 ?
[16:01] <dogmatic69> I am busy checking
[16:01] <dogmatic69> lots of devices :D
[16:01] <penguin42> hmmm
[16:01] <penguin42> dogmatic69: So that's a different screw up from what I noticed in the last one; the last one was UDP broadcasts on a port that tends to be dropbox
[16:02] <penguin42> dogmatic69: What that set is I don't know
[16:03] <dogmatic69> how can I figure out what this ip address is
[16:03] <penguin42> dogmatic69: does arp -an show the MAC address for it?
[16:03] <dogmatic69> oh
[16:03] <dogmatic69> I got it
[16:03] <dogmatic69> its a wireless ap
[16:04] <dogmatic69> ok killed that
[16:04] <dogmatic69> killed dropbox
[16:06] <dogmatic69> not seeing any UDP floods yet
[16:06] <penguin42> dogmatic69: see how that survives now; I've never seen anything emit a spew of IGMP stuff like that; and I don't know why dropbox was going nuts like that
[16:06] <penguin42> dogmatic69: But is your ping to the blade stable now?
[16:06] <dogmatic69> from the blade to me has been 100% so far
[16:06] <dogmatic69> tcpdump also running and seems to be 'normal'
[16:07] <penguin42> ok good
[16:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: is 'me' a laptop with both wifi and ether?
[16:07] <dogmatic69> no, desktop
[16:07] <penguin42> ok
[16:07] <dogmatic69> 17:07:11.110987 IP 192.168.0.7.137 > 192.168.0.255.137: NBT UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST
[16:07] <dogmatic69> 17:07:11.111131 IP 192.168.0.3.138 > 192.168.0.255.138: NBT UDP PACKET(138)
[16:07] <dogmatic69> just noticed that in the tcpdump
[16:07] <dogmatic69> not many
[16:07] <penguin42> yeh one or two is fine
[16:08] <dogmatic69> its two different pc's
[16:08] <penguin42> dogmatic69: That's just samba saying hello
[16:08] <dogmatic69> my gf's windows
[16:08] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[16:08] <gebbione> hi all, for some reason as soon as i open a wine program my windows frames (including borders, maximise, minimise etc ) disappear, anyone has the same problem or can guess why it is happening?
[16:08] <penguin42> gebbione: That's youre window maanger crashing for some reason
[16:08] <dogmatic69> penguin42: thanks for the help, seems good so far
[16:09] <dogmatic69> If it remains stable I will try the EoP again as I think it was the wireless AP going nuts
[16:09] <gebbione> penguin42, but windows are all still working fine, anyway i can restart fix it?
[16:10] <gebbione> penguin42, apart from the border i mean all is ok
[16:10] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Yeh, I can kind of imagine that the bad-ap might have been confusing dropbox into thinking the network changes
[16:10] <penguin42> gebbione: Yeh that's what happens when the window manager goes pop
[16:11] <penguin42> gebbione: I've not got unity running at the moment, so I'm not sure of what the name of the unity window manager is - but it's normally something like   unity --replace
[16:11] <dogmatic69> penguin42: it kinda makes sense, it was set up for router -> wifi -> ap -> wifi and was now connected router -> 24port -> ap -> wifi
[16:12] <gebbione> unity --replace fixed it
[16:13] <penguin42> gebbione: It kind of sounds like you're hitting bug 738275 although that's a dupe of 727041
[16:14] <penguin42> gebbione: But that claims to have been fix released a while ago
[16:14] <penguin42> gebbione: Anyway, that's the way to get them back if it does crash
[16:15] <gebbione> my system is always updated
[16:15] <gebbione> so this same problems is caused by something else
[16:15] <gebbione> in the above it does not talk about wine at all
[16:15] <penguin42> gebbione: Likely it's either just another bug in unity/compiz or it's possibly also a graphics driver bug could do it
[16:15] <gebbione> i get this problem only when i execute a wine emulated application
[16:16] <penguin42> gebbione: Yeh bug 738275 is closer but was duped to that other one - so maybe the same cause at some point
[16:43] <oimon1> fixed the issue with swordsandsworcery by installing the v1.0 deb which is the download from HIB. the v1.56 in software center seg fauls
[16:43] <oimon1> also, the software centre version seems to be the i386 version only :-\
[16:58] <penguin42> the 'fence' mechanism in X11R7.7 sounds promising for doing screen sharing stuff on OpenGL desktops?
[17:08] <directhex> yay free software
[17:08] <directhex> ali1234: bastion joypad fix incoming very soon
[17:13] <oimon1> anyone got suggestions for making limbo work quicker?
[17:13] <oimon1> like running standalone rather than windowed
[17:14] <directhex> oimon, do you have the latest build?
[17:14] <oimon1> i downloaded it from software centre...
[17:14] <oimon1> 1.0-0ubuntu4
[17:15] <oimon1> hmm. v1.31 in HIB page
[17:16] <oimon1> seems that USC integration is a bit of a fail
[17:16] <directhex> oimon1: i don't know who at canonical is responsible for that (if anyone). popey, any clues?
[17:17] <oimon1> wondering if there's different version numbers coming into play
[17:25] <ali1234> oimon1: i wrote how to fix it on ask ubuntu
[17:25] <oimon1> downloading from HIB page doesn't help..actually on that one the sound doesn't work.
[17:25] <ali1234> tl;dr run it with distro wine, not the crap version it's bundled with
[17:26] <ali1234> "no sound" is also answered in another question on AU... guess what, the answer is the same
[17:26] <oimon1> i tried that, but winetricks dx9 didn't work
[17:26] <ali1234> winetricks is kinda broken
[17:27] <oimon1> ali1234: can you provide link the the AU page pls?
[17:27] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/144915/limbo-game-has-no-sound
[17:27] <directhex> installing microsoft directx is usually a bad idea, since wine has its own implementation
[17:27] <oimon1> merci
[17:27] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/145528/how-to-run-humble-bundle-v-games-on-a-system-with-nvidia-twinview/145529#145529
[17:28] <ali1234> yeah but luckily wine can do dll overides on a per exe basis
[17:28] <directhex> behaviour can be a bit... squiffy... with ms libs
[17:28] <directhex> yeah, you need to know which libs to native & which to inbuilt
[17:28] <ali1234> EVE for example has a launcher... and the launcher needs the MS libs, while the game only runs with the wine versions
[17:29] <ali1234> so far super meat boy is the only game that worked 100% correctly out the box
[17:30] <ali1234> bastion is the next best though. just needs joystick
[17:30] <oimon1> hmm..get a blue screen then limbo exit
[17:31] <ali1234> super meat boy is actually more fun and less annoying than i thought it was going to be
[17:31] <directhex> ali1234: srsly joystik fix for bastion is so close
[17:32] <ali1234> yeah? is it all related to that gamepad bridge stuff?
[17:32] <directhex> ali1234: as in "Merge pull request #509 from urkle/LinuxGamePadFixes" "CartBlanche authored 21 minutes ago"
[17:33] <ali1234> if (Sdl.SDL_JoystickName(x).Contains("Microsoft")
[17:33] <directhex> ali1234: https://github.com/urkle is the bastion porter's page, he's now engaging with upstream to push fixes & pull new code
[17:33] <ali1234> HA i knew it was related to that stuff
[17:33] <ali1234> there is just one thing though
[17:34] <ali1234> xbox vs xbox360 button layout is ever so slightly different
[17:34] <ali1234> so i hope it doesn't hide the config if it detects a microsoft pad or something silly like that
[17:35] <ali1234> anyway that's pretty cool and all
[17:35] <directhex> ali1234: i dunno, just thought you'd be interested to know it was being actively hacked on, in a properly FOSS manner
[18:17] <dogmatic69> penguin42: all good still, will be trying out the EoP again
[18:17] <dogmatic69> thanks for the help, and tools for debugging :)
[18:33] <penguin42> np
[19:33] <Azelphur> [18:41:50 BST] Josh: http://i.imgur.com/Li3jY.jpg <-- I asked my dad for a 640GB HDD for my birthday
[19:33] <Azelphur> haha xD
[19:33] <penguin42> mdadm.....
[19:33] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:34] <brobostigon> usb hubs, and raid, :)
[19:34] <Azelphur> isn't raid on a USB hub pointless as the speed bottlenecks
[19:34] <penguin42> there is someone who does like a 100 port USB hub
[19:34] <brobostigon> no idea.
[19:35] <Azelphur> haha
[19:35] <penguin42> Azelphur: Yeh, although with USB3....
[19:35] <Azelphur> indeed, USB 3 might save the day :)
[19:35] <brobostigon> :)
[19:35] <penguin42> http://www.coolthings.com/80-port-usb-hub-wants-to-charge-your-cellphone-ipod-digicam-and-77-more-gadgets-at-the-same-time/
[19:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:36] <brobostigon> :)
[20:10] <ali1234> is that actually a hub or just power?
[20:11] <ali1234> most likely it's for shops who have a load of phones and etc powered up 24 hours on display
[20:15] <penguin42> ali1234: I think I saw somewhere selling an actual hub of that type of size
[21:18] <popey> 18:16:51 #ubuntu-uk: < directhex> oimon1: i don't know who at canonical is responsible for that (if anyone). popey, any clues?
[21:18] <popey> david pitkin
[21:19] <directhex> see, popey has all the answers
[21:22] <popey> ali1234 / directhex / oimon I'd appreciate it if you could summarise issues in bugs and I'll make sure the right people see them
[21:22] <ali1234> bugs in what?
[21:22] <popey> HIB games/WINE/packaging
[21:22] <ali1234> ok
[21:23] <directhex> popey: i'm not using the ubuntu store versions of things, since i'm an impatient sod. but others here are :p
[21:23] <ali1234> i reported the super meat boy icon bug to john pugh by email, cos he's the listed support contact on software cantre :)
[21:23] <ali1234> popey: but, if you want us to report bugs, what are we supposed to report them against?
[21:23] <ali1234> you can't report bugs against the packages cos they're in private repos
[21:24] <popey> john is also a good person to mail
[21:24] <ali1234> at least i assume that is why
[21:25] <popey> I dont specifically want you to file bugs, just making sure that people other than the people in this irc channel see it
[21:25] <ali1234> but... how?
[21:25] <popey> emailing john is fine
[21:26] <ali1234> that's the only packaging bug i found so far
[21:26] <ali1234> the issues with dual monitor affect everything SDL, really that environment variable should be set by default everywhere
[21:26] <ali1234> and wine is... well wine
[21:27] <ali1234> what works for one person probably won't work for another
[21:27] <ali1234> sometimes you have to do the exact opposite of what the guides say
[21:27] <ali1234> then they release a new version and it all breaks again
[21:29] <ali1234> i'm just waiting on that psychonauts package now :)
[21:30] <popey> thats the 4GB one?
[21:30] <popey> interesting bugs are discovered when you upload a >4GB deb :D
[21:31] <ali1234> yeah
[21:31] <ali1234> is braid supposed to run in a postage stamp sized area in the middle of the monitor?
[21:31] <popey> not tried braid yet
[21:31] <ali1234> it looks like it could be a variant of that youtube bug
[21:32] <ali1234> where it letterboxes it for the aspect of both monitors, then squashes it onto one
[21:32] <ali1234> if so, that's an upstream bug
[21:32] <ali1234> lone survivor doesn't appear to work at all, it loads up "adobe flash player 10" window which immediately closes
[21:32] <ali1234> flash game? and you thought wine was bad
[21:33] <popey> ☺
[21:34] <jacobw> wine ftw
[21:34]  * jacobw wants to make unity launchers for wine apps
[21:35] <ali1234> that's easy
[21:35] <ali1234> very easy in fact
[21:35] <ali1234> installers will do it automatically
[21:35] <ali1234> if not, here's one i made:
[21:35] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032783/
[21:36] <ali1234> put it in ~/.local/share/applications/Steam.desktop
[21:37] <ali1234> that will work correctly with unity pinning too
[21:40] <ali1234> my favourite game so far is the sword & sworcery sound track :)
[21:47] <jacobw> does it work with bamf?
[21:47] <ali1234> yes
[21:48] <ali1234> well it does for all the programs i've tried
[21:48] <jacobw> bamf feedback is my priority
[21:48] <ali1234> feedback?
[21:48] <jacobw> launch, status, number of instances
[21:49] <ali1234> like "eeeeeoOOOOOOEOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOooooooo"
[21:49] <jacobw> hehe
[21:49] <ali1234> nothing i run in wine has need of more than 1 instance
[21:49] <jacobw> there's no documentation on bamf :(
[21:50] <ali1234> everything else works correctly
[21:50] <jacobw> i shouldn't need more than one instance of each application
[21:52] <jacobw> i have 3 versions of a windows only management for management of network devices that the users i support currently run in a windows VM
[21:52] <ali1234> reverse engineer the protocol and rewrite it in qt
[21:53] <jacobw> i'm trying to provide these applications on their unity desktops with wine
[21:53] <ali1234> yeah that should work fine if it runs in wine at all
[21:54] <ali1234> i suspect that bamf works properly only if you use explorer fake desktop mode
[21:54] <ali1234> which you should always use for games anyway cos it's the only way to make them not crash all the time
[21:54] <jacobw> there's no problem with wine compatibility
[21:54] <ali1234> thought hinking about it, spotify always worked ok with bamf
[21:55] <ali1234> the wine version actually more compatible with bamf than the native linux one
[21:55] <ali1234> probably due to static libs in the native build
[21:55] <jacobw> yeah, i'm guessing that bamf checks dbus for changes in application status and windows
[21:55] <ali1234> i have no idea how it works and i've given up seriously trying to use it
[21:55] <jacobw> 'listens to', rather than 'checks' seems better
[21:56] <jacobw> like i said, there is no documentation
[21:56] <ali1234> the code changes so fast that it would be pointless
[21:56] <jacobw> unity is a fustrating at times
[21:57] <jacobw> 'this is the way its going to work' →  'yeah, we've implemented something different now'
[21:57] <ali1234> to be fair, most of the changes are for the better
[21:58] <brobostigon> http://blog.taylorworld.me.uk/ does anyone recognise the drupal/php error at the to there, i cant work out, why it is there.
[22:00] <ali1234> i don't see any error
[22:01] <ali1234> probably logged in users only
[22:01] <brobostigon> Notice: unserialize(): Error at offset 0 of 4 bytes in _drupal_session_read() (line 107 of /var/www/drupal/includes/session.inc).
[22:01] <brobostigon> thats the error.
[22:01] <ali1234> ok that's a cookie error
[22:01] <ali1234> or rather, an error that you at least need cookies enabled to trigger
[22:02] <ali1234> still can't trigger it as anon user though, even if i allow cookies
[22:02] <brobostigon> so, something requires cookies, but can enable such?
[22:02] <ali1234> i bet it's related to your little cookie warning plugin though
[22:02] <jacobw> better doesn't preclude fustrating :)
[22:02]  * jacobw is still happy with unity
[22:02] <brobostigon> ali1234: ah,
[22:03] <brobostigon> ali1234: what would you say i need to look for?
[22:03] <ali1234> i dunno. try disabling that plugin?
[22:03] <brobostigon> ali1234: ok.
[22:03] <ali1234> look at line 107 of session.inc
[22:03] <ali1234> add debugging statements
[22:03] <ali1234> figure out why it crashes
[22:03] <ali1234> look at the web server log
[22:04] <brobostigon> ali1234: i havent seen anything in perticuler, related in apaches logs.
[22:05] <TheFred> Good evening y'all :)
[22:07] <jacobw> hi TheFred
[22:07] <TheFred> Hello jacobw :)
[22:07] <directhex> brobostigon: loads here, but hella slow
[22:09] <brobostigon> directhex: yes, it always has been on the slow side.
[22:09] <TheFred> brobostigon, whats slow?
[22:10] <brobostigon> TheFred: depends, some find my server fast-ish, and some more slower, as directhex said above.
[22:11] <TheFred> ah! maybe depends on ISP and real-time routing over the net i guess
[22:11] <brobostigon> TheFred: possible.
[22:12] <TheFred> I know some ISP's (three for example) dont like ssh..
[22:12] <jacobw> internet routing is fairly stable
[22:13] <jacobw> ssh is always possible :)
[22:13] <TheFred> not for me, I mainly go online over my mobile and it depends on the weather/time of day/etc...
[22:13] <TheFred> yes, its always possible, but the lag can be a bitch
[22:14] <jacobw> problems with 3G are one thing
[22:16] <TheFred> yup, tonight I have full bars of reception and a HSDPA connect so its blazing, but yesterday I could only get about 256
[22:16] <TheFred> Kps
[22:16] <brobostigon> interesting, i do not get the above error in iceweasel, but do in chrome.
[22:16] <brobostigon> weird.
[22:20] <jacobw> sounds workable
[22:23] <brobostigon> atleast. now i know, it is directly related to chrome.
[22:25] <jacobw> perhaps its a drupal js chrome bug
[22:25] <brobostigon> possible, yes.
[22:26] <brobostigon> anyays, something to solve in the morning, with a fresh mind.
[22:26] <brobostigon> good night everyone.
[22:28] <TheFred> gnight, brobostigon
[22:28] <brobostigon> good night TheFred
[22:30] <dogmatic69> pastebinit is retuning the url only, not with the code
[22:30]  * bigcalm looks in for a bit
[22:30] <dogmatic69> Saw an update today for pastebinit and someone borked it :(
[22:31]  * TheFred chilling to hbr1 : dream factory
[22:32] <bigcalm> Does the sound work for anybody in Limbo? Or is it just my system that's at fault?
[22:38] <TheFred> bigcalm, which sound do you mean?
[22:38] <bigcalm> TheFred: Humble Indy Bundle game Limbo - no music or game fx
[22:39] <TheFred> ah - ok,context, thats helps me understand, but i dont have a solution. sorry
[22:39] <bigcalm> :)
[22:40] <TheFred> Here's my question: what do you think about the possability of voice input for ubuntu?
[22:43] <TheFred> Im working on a project to provide voice input (not control...yet) and could use some testers... anyone game?
[22:48] <TheFred> nobody?
[22:49] <TheFred> The software will be available through the software center when ready
[22:50] <TheFred> There's just the last 20% to polish before im happy to release it
[22:52] <penguin42> You mean I'll be able to shout 'Terminal; rm -rf / enter '
[22:54] <bigcalm> penguin42: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20120320
[22:55] <penguin42> bigcalm: Haha - but it's much older joke than that
[22:56] <bigcalm> That's odd
[22:56] <bigcalm> Must be re-runs
[22:56] <TheFred> penguin42, YES!
[22:56] <bigcalm> I recall that strip from 10+ years ago
[22:57] <TheFred> I am testing it here now
[22:57] <penguin42> there was a DOS varient of the joke
[22:57] <TheFred> it manly works ok
[22:58] <TheFred> I am designing it with email or skype instant messaging in mind as well as the usual email
[22:59]  * bigcalm hits the shower
[22:59] <bigcalm> Poor shower
[22:59] <TheFred> shower abuse :-s
[22:59] <TheFred> o_O
[23:04] <jacobw> i don't understand
[23:04] <jacobw> how is the voice recognition being done?
[23:05] <TheFred> Im creating an android app to do the hard work, then sending to ubuntu socket
[23:05] <jacobw> ubuntu socket?
[23:05] <TheFred> tcp
[23:06] <TheFred> then xdotool enters the text into currently focused cursor area
[23:07] <jacobw> it seems to me that you would have a voice recognition stub on the android device utilising whatever voice recognition is available communicating with a process on the ubuntu machine that matches the text to an action
[23:08] <TheFred> yes
[23:09] <jacobw> using ssh or some other thing with tls would make sense for the network transport, and you would need a number of 'actions', which would presumably be functions in whichever language the process is written in
[23:09]  * jacobw suggests using python and twisted 
[23:11] <jacobw> i don't know what xdotool, i would accept using unity/compiz specific methods of text input to arbitary windows instead of using something X related
[23:11] <jacobw> anyhow, it's an extensive project, good luck :)
[23:11] <penguin42> jacobw: Or send dbus (or what ever the current fad) messages
[23:12] <TheFred> thanks, jacobw
[23:12] <jacobw> ah, i hadn't thought about that
[23:12] <TheFred> hmm, dbus... thats food for thought
[23:12] <penguin42> either that or wrangle them through HUD?
[23:12] <jacobw> i've been told so many times that dbus is not like kde3's dcop, then it turns out that it is
[23:13] <jacobw> HUD would awesome
[23:13]  * jacobw →  sleep
[23:15] <TheFred> heh - seems like i must regulate mission creep for this :)
[23:15] <penguin42> ah yes that can happen :-)
[23:17] <ali1234> xdotool isn't very good
[23:17] <ali1234> it's very ... raw
[23:17] <ali1234> better to make a real input method... which i think is done with dbus
[23:18] <TheFred> so far im finding a combo of xdotool and AutoKey to be highly effective
[23:18] <ali1234> yeah but it is racy
[23:18] <TheFred> but i take what you say on board, ali1234
[23:18] <ali1234> if i'm clicking the mouse and talking, half the letters can end up in the wron place with xdotool, if focus changes
[23:18] <TheFred> it gets a bit hairy when im using the voice input to modify phrases in autokey :)
[23:18] <ali1234> a real IME can block other events to stop bad thnigs like that happening
[23:19] <ali1234> it can also be more flexible
[23:19] <ali1234> more work of course
[23:19] <TheFred> Thats the distinction: voice input, not voice control, thats the next step
[23:19] <ali1234> yeah
[23:19] <ali1234> voice control, through the hud, would be very good. it would make the hud actually useful
[23:20] <TheFred> yup - but its a can of worms if i dont manage the project properly
[23:20] <penguin42> ali1234: It feels like what it is designed for
[23:20] <ali1234> well voice control is closer to a shell than to a GUI
[23:20] <ali1234> HUD is somewhere in between
[23:20] <TheFred> well, the good news is that this week coming i have 5 full days sheduled to the final polish
[23:21] <ali1234> TheFred: are you the same guy who was here before talking about this?
[23:21] <ali1234> or on ask ubuntu or something
[23:21] <TheFred> yes, a few months back
[23:21] <ali1234> i remember someone else using android for voice API
[23:21] <ali1234> cos it is done online by google and therefore actually good
[23:22] <TheFred> yes, I have thick cornish/dorset/somerset accent, and it manages around 98% accuracy
[23:23] <penguin42> 'Four candles'
[23:23] <TheFred> hahahahaha
[23:23] <TheFred> no: fork handles :)
[23:23] <ali1234> 'andles for forks
[23:23] <penguin42> I wish they used that instead of pids
[23:24] <TheFred> very good penguin42, points awarded :D
[23:24] <TheFred> i dont follow? pids in which context?
[23:24] <ali1234> but handles are duplicated across forks, no?
[23:25] <TheFred> depends on the Freds...
[23:25] <TheFred> *Threads
[23:26] <TheFred> can some one please post a forward slash - my layout doesn't have it
[23:26] <TheFred> i can get / but not the other
[23:26] <penguin42> oh you mean a backward slash
[23:26] <penguin42>  \
[23:27] <penguin42> are you sure it's not on your # key
[23:27] <TheFred> yea - im getting tired now: been rowing for an hour
[23:27] <TheFred> nah ... i can get # and ~, but not the opposite of /
[23:27] <penguin42> have you tried turning youre keyboard around?
[23:28] <TheFred> !"£$%^&*()_-+=[{]}#~:;@'<,>.?/
[23:28] <TheFred> damit
[23:28] <ali1234> what keyboard is it?
[23:29] <TheFred> travelmate 2500 - english, but with arabic sub-chars on the keys
[23:29] <ali1234> full size enter key?
[23:29] <TheFred> YES
[23:30] <TheFred> sorry - yes
[23:31] <ali1234> hmm no pipe key either?
[23:31] <TheFred> yes - which frustrates me .. until i installed autokey, and that helps
[23:51] <TheFred> meh... seems my change from 10.10 to 12.04 has a different location for xdotool, this will make for interesting packaging ...
[23:56] <dogmatic69> anyone know of a non ruby version of http://godrb.com/
[23:57] <ali1234> nagios?
[23:57] <ali1234> upstart?
[23:57] <ali1234> systemd??
[23:58] <TheFred> That URL reads like a religious joke : installing god on a darwin system....
[23:59] <TheFred> isnt that blasphemy?
[23:59] <ali1234> yes
[23:59] <ali1234> but nobody cares