[00:27] <InHisName> due to a lack of difinitive scheduling, I'll stay home all day and study cisco materials.
[00:29] <JonathanD> andrew: seems not.
[00:29] <JonathanD> we'll do it anohter time.
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> finally settled in pittsburg
[09:22] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:31] <rmg51> Morning
[10:32] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[10:36] <rmg51> got to go
[10:36] <rmg51> shopping time
[11:22] <waltman> Morning.
[11:23] <JonathanD> fosscon up on freenode blog
[11:24] <InHisName> Morning all
[11:24] <JonathanD> howdy InHisName
[11:24] <JonathanD> hey waltman
[11:25] <waltman> hey hey
[11:25] <JonathanD> How goes?
[11:25] <waltman> Tired. Too much partying this week. :)
[11:25] <InHisName> Goes nicely
[11:25] <JonathanD> haha.
[11:26] <waltman> saw some Drexel friends last night I hadn't seen in a while.
[11:26] <waltman> and @friends' rambunctious 3 year old :)
[11:26] <InHisName> Doctors aren't supposed to be partying, they're supposed to be upright, rigid, a regular person (not a party animal)
[11:27] <waltman> InHisName: You clearly need to watch more TV medical shows. :)
[11:27] <InHisName> TV is false rendering of whatever they're spoofing
[11:27] <JonathanD> MASH.
[11:27] <InHisName> Loved it despite the above comment
[11:28] <JonathanD> my printer will be here monday.
[11:28] <JonathanD> I need things to print!
[11:29] <JonathanD> waltman: can I print anything for you?
[11:29] <waltman> Yes!
[11:29] <waltman> Want to print several copies of my 200 page dissertation on acid-free cotton paper?
[11:29] <JonathanD> waltman: got a xerox phaser 6500 on the way.
[11:29]  * waltman googles
[11:30] <InHisName> Did you actually PAY full price for that printer?   Aren't they x-thousands ?
[11:31] <JonathanD> InHisName: newegg had it for $200, it's normally about $400
[11:31] <waltman> InHisName: JonathanD never pays full price for *anything*.
[11:31] <JonathanD> Also fosscon is paying for part of it.
[11:31] <InHisName> black only ?
[11:31] <JonathanD> InHisName: color
[11:31] <JonathanD> I print oodles of crap for fosscon at staples for 30 cents a page.
[11:31] <InHisName> What's refills cost ?  # copies per ?
[11:31] <JonathanD> I thought this would be better.
[11:31] <JonathanD> in the long run.
[11:32] <JonathanD> InHisName: it's about 16 cents for a color page, if I use xerox supplies, and about 2/3 that if I don't.
[11:32] <waltman> I do, in fact, need to print several copies of my thesis on fancy paper, but I'm planning to do it at Staples or Kinkos.
[11:32] <JonathanD> waltman: how many is several?
[11:32] <waltman> 30 cents/page
[11:32] <waltman> at least 2, maybe 3.
[11:32] <JonathanD> waltman: 30 cents a page for color.
[11:32] <JonathanD> B&W is somehwat less, at staples.
[11:33] <JonathanD> I'll check, I noted it yesterday.
[11:33] <InHisName> Hey, waltman offer JonathanD 20 cents page and get a deal
[11:33] <waltman> the pdf has color, but I can get by with b&w
[11:33] <waltman> in fact I believe it *has* to be b&w
[11:33] <waltman> This is the archival copy that the library gets.
[11:33] <InHisName> That's the saving spirit !
[11:35] <JonathanD> waltman: 11cents for B&W at staples.
[11:36] <waltman> even in bulk?
[11:36] <JonathanD> Moment.
[11:36] <JonathanD> might be less.
[11:36] <JonathanD> how many pages total?
[11:37] <JonathanD> 200 x 3?
[11:37] <JonathanD> $54
[11:37] <JonathanD> so yeah.
[11:37] <JonathanD> even in bulk.
[11:37] <InHisName> There's self service machines that are lower, but don't know if you can change paper to one you want.
[11:37] <JonathanD> InHisName: this price is based on the web-submission thing. straight photocopy might be cheaper.
[11:38] <InHisName> they might accept memory sticks by now at walk up ones.
[11:38] <JonathanD> I don't know what it'll actually be on waltman's special paper.
[11:38] <waltman> I suppose I could print it out on the department's printer...
[11:39] <waltman> yeah, the paper's an issue, too
[11:39] <JonathanD> The one i ordered is supposedly 3.5 cents per page.
[11:39] <JonathanD> not including paper, of course.
[11:39] <JonathanD> thats for B&W
[11:39] <JonathanD> http://www.office.xerox.com/latest/OPBFS-13.PDF
[11:41] <waltman> I have a small laser printer (HP P1006) at home, but it's not really intended for large jobs like that.
[11:41] <InHisName> Wow some are as low as 1.7 cents.   Must be the x-thousands priced printers.
[11:41] <JonathanD> InHisName: those were outside my budget :)
[11:41] <waltman> the P1006 is awesome for low-volume jobs though
[11:41] <JonathanD> But I thought 200 was pretty reasonable.
[11:42] <InHisName> one even B&W only 0.9 cents   Phaser 5550
[11:42] <JonathanD> waltman: I havea little lexmark E321, but it jams when it gets too hot.
[11:42] <JonathanD> which is after about 30 pages.
[11:43] <waltman> I mostly use mine for printing out coupons and directions.
[11:43] <JonathanD> http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-106R01597-106R01594-106R01595-Cartridges/dp/B005FW6AK2
[11:43] <JonathanD> my toner.
[11:44] <waltman> I got my printer at Staples for $40 after a sale and a rebate for returning my old broken inkjet.
[11:45] <JonathanD> $22 for a black 3,000 pager (non-xerox)
[11:45] <waltman> I'll occasionally print out a PDF, but they're generally <10 pages.
[11:45] <InHisName> 8 carts $119    3K pages each  for black that's not to bad at all
[11:46] <JonathanD> thats 136 pages per $
[11:46] <JonathanD> less than a cent per page.
[11:46] <JonathanD> I think I'm going to be pretty happy with this thing :D
[11:46] <JonathanD> waltman: let me know if you want to come over here and print :P
[11:46] <waltman> nice
[11:46] <waltman> thx
[11:46] <InHisName> There are other consumables adding into 3.5 cents.   Usually a drum is separate, and theres the paper.
[11:47] <waltman> maybe you want to give it a nice burn-in :)
[11:47] <JonathanD> InHisName: in waltman's case he'll br bringing his own paper anyway.
[11:47] <JonathanD> Since he has extra special paper needs apparently.
[11:48] <InHisName> Probably need nearly 2 cents to cover postage, drums, repairs, etc.
[11:48] <waltman> I think I'll just print it on the department printer :)
[11:49] <InHisName> Drums usually need replacing every other cart (6-9K pages)  in low budget office table machines that I've compared before.
[11:49] <waltman> there wasn't anything about that in the manual for my printer
[11:50] <InHisName> Check if drum is in cart ?   That would be AWESOME for only $22 each compatible pricing.
[11:51] <JonathanD> I can only find reference to a replaceable imaging unit.
[11:51] <InHisName> probably a drum
[11:51] <JonathanD> 30,000 page life.
[11:51] <JonathanD> 10 carts
[11:51] <InHisName> Good deal
[11:52] <InHisName> Price probably > $100 though.
[11:53] <JonathanD> yes
[11:53] <JonathanD> it's a lot.
[11:53] <JonathanD> but thats still...
[11:53] <JonathanD> lots of pages per $1 :p
[11:54] <InHisName> If you're hardware inclined many other printers have had ways to reprogram the flash that limits to 3K, 30K back to zero and you can squeeze the rest out until empty or dirty drum starts.
[11:56] <InHisName> Way better'n the brother sold for < $199,   refills were $68 from brother, compatible was high 40's. I think was 2.5k pages or maybe only 2k.
[11:57] <InHisName> black only
[11:57] <JonathanD> I picked this as it seemed suited to long-life of periodic heavy use.
[11:57] <JonathanD> and of the 7 reviews on newegg, all were 5 eggs
[11:57] <InHisName> Seems like a good pick
[11:58] <InHisName> Phaser was a real high end company when Xerox bought them from Techtronix
[11:59] <JonathanD> Every single phaser seems to have good reviews.
[11:59] <InHisName> That's a great sign
[11:59] <JonathanD> It's a lovely world we live in where we can get reviews on the printer, the 3rd party carts, etc, just like that.
[11:59] <InHisName> works best on high volume products.
[12:00] <InHisName> Obscure ones are so well commented even after a year or two on the market.
[12:00] <InHisName> s/are/are not/
[12:01] <JonathanD> Yeah.
[12:01] <InHisName> pause for b'fast
[12:01] <JonathanD> it's a shame, then, because I probably won't get those
[12:01] <InHisName> is that sale still going ?
[12:01] <JonathanD> on the printer?
[12:01] <InHisName> yes
[12:01] <JonathanD> til june 30 I think.
[12:01] <InHisName> Oh
[12:01] <JonathanD> wait til I get mine
[12:01] <JonathanD> I'll give it a run through.
[12:02] <JonathanD> Maybe print a run of walts thing in color for him to keep :P
[12:02] <InHisName> Wife hates NON reliable printers, might consider
[12:02] <JonathanD> InHisName: it is large. It's mean for an office environ. Just something to consider.
[12:02] <InHisName> ink jets clog up to often for her likes.   Especially when I refill carts.
[12:02] <JonathanD> I hate ink jets.
[12:02] <InHisName> phaser s have always been large.
[12:03] <JonathanD> SO unreliable.
[12:03] <InHisName> I didn't expect $200 worth of parts to be large though.
[12:03] <JonathanD> Course it has no scanner, if thats something you need.
[12:03] <InHisName> huh  whats "SO unreliable" ?
[12:04] <JonathanD> (why are standalone scanner 4x more pricey than cheap MFDs)
[12:04] <JonathanD> InHisName: inkjects!
[12:04] <JonathanD> inkjets
[12:04] <InHisName> already got flat bed one.
[12:04] <JonathanD> all of them.
[12:04] <JonathanD> every single one :p
[12:04] <InHisName> got it!
[12:17] <InHisName> Good gravy !!!  Xerox wants $109 for the black cart by itself
[12:18] <JonathanD> InHisName: yes. I wouldn't have gotten it if not for the availability of 3rd parties :)
[12:18] <InHisName> I agree
[12:18] <InHisName> wow what a diff
[12:19] <JonathanD> $22 vs $100 :P
[12:20] <JonathanD> InHisName: keep in mind, xeroxs cost-per-page has to be based on their tonor prices, too
[12:20] <JonathanD> good enough for me to believe actual cost per page is going to be far less.
[12:20] <InHisName> yes for sure
[12:20] <InHisName> Staples has it for $146 ???
[12:21] <JonathanD> Never trust staples.
[12:21] <JonathanD> InHisName: staples needs to make it expensive enough that you'll use htem for printing instead ;)
[12:22] <InHisName> One concern,  "High Yield" is used by some carts and Xerox.  Might mean some diff from the plain compatibles.   Still 3K rating though.
[12:25] <InHisName> other compatible sellers are up to $70.  May want to stock up with extras after checking out one batch.
[12:26] <InHisName> Seems list price must be $150 each
[12:26] <JonathanD> InHisName: the amazon reviews on the $22 one were solid.
[12:27] <InHisName> Still, I'd buy one set to try.  If happy, order 2 or 3 more sets for future use.
[12:27] <JonathanD> yes.
[12:27] <JonathanD> I'll order a black right away.
[12:28] <InHisName> Just how long can a cart store waiting to be used without deteriorating ?
[12:28] <JonathanD> since I'll need a bakcup.
[12:28] <JonathanD> btw, the printer has a "black only mode" you can set it in, so it won't complain about no color carts if you run out.
[12:28] <InHisName> I'd order the foursome
[12:28] <InHisName> That's COOL
[12:30] <InHisName> 4inkjets.com has them for $25 or $22 @ 3  ----> they note shelf life = 24 - 36 months.
[12:30] <InHisName> Nice piece of info
[12:55] <InHisName> wow -->This color laser printer requires 1 Black, 3 Color toner cartridges and 1  Black, 3 Color drum units (Total of 4 toner cartridges & 4 drum  units).
[12:59] <InHisName> lotta micro-chips for cartridge -- http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/106r01597.html
[13:03] <InHisName> High Yield = 3K and standard capacity Xerox brand = 1k pages
[14:23] <MutantTurkey> to the zoo!
[14:34] <jedijf> JonathanD: i have phaser 4400xt in office (black only) love it!
[14:41] <JonathanD> jedijf: cool.
[14:41] <JonathanD> They seem to be very highly regarded everywhere I look.
[14:48] <JonathanD> just cooked up a leftover burger on some toast. Breakfast of champions.
[16:12] <JonathanD> dl360s at the thrift store
[16:29] <InHisName> what is a 'dl360s' ?
[16:29] <InHisName> one of your 35 cent book bargains ?
[16:33] <JonathanD> no
[16:33] <JonathanD> an hp rackmount server
[16:55] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[16:56] <InHisName> I could be interested at 35 cents - depending on how much max memory costs
[16:56] <SamuraiAlba> wha?
[16:56] <SamuraiAlba> I'm confised
[16:56] <InHisName> u missed JonathanD's comment just before yours
[16:57] <SamuraiAlba> ahhhh
[16:57] <SamuraiAlba> GF's mom PC shit the bed yesterday
[16:57] <SamuraiAlba> PSU smoked
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> lost the HD and mobo :(
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> s/mom/mom;s
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> dangit
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> s/mom/mom's
[17:00] <InHisName> She keeps her PC in her bed ???!!??
[17:11] <JonathanD> InHisName: they were a bit more than that :)
[17:11] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: 16:12:08 < JonathanD> dl360s at the thrift store
[17:15] <SamuraiAlba> where?
[17:15] <SamuraiAlba> cost?
[17:16] <JonathanD> $100
[17:16] <JonathanD> thrift store in norristown.
[17:16] <SamuraiAlba> How many!?
[17:16] <JonathanD> 3.
[17:17] <SamuraiAlba> Who come get me?!
[17:17] <JonathanD> gen 3 I think, though.
[17:17] <JonathanD> and no disks
[17:17] <JonathanD> the one I popped open had 2GB installed.
[17:17] <SamuraiAlba> poop
[17:17] <JonathanD> Never thought I'd see something like that there.
[17:20] <SamuraiAlba> aye
[17:21] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: I'm bringing home a gen 4 + LTO drive + 24 port GB + pix 506
[17:21] <JonathanD> soon.
[18:07] <JonathanD> oh dear.
[18:08]  * JonathanD provides assistance to Irishmanluke 
[18:13] <InHisName> so is Irishmanluke getting excited about the dl360s ?
[18:15] <Irishmanluke> I meant to do /help nick but I did /nick help instead
[18:16] <Irishmanluke> I wanted to figure out how to change my nick on a specific server
[18:16] <Irishmanluke> I just connected to a second server
[18:18] <InHisName> Going for a multiple personality disorder on irc ?
[18:18] <Irishmanluke> ...
[18:19] <andrew> afternoon
[18:21] <InHisName> Howdy Doody, andrew
[19:09] <SamuraiAlba> Gotta go to Blackwood tomorrow and skip BOTH jobs
[19:10] <SamuraiAlba> Camden Community College swears I attended 2 semesters there, and FAILED all classes.  I never attended, but they have filed to BLOCK financial aid and loans for 2012-2013 and the REVOKATION of my aid for 2011-2012
[19:10] <SamuraiAlba> Mind you, this is my FIRST communication with them since I WITHDREW before classes even started in 2011
[19:11] <SamuraiAlba> and I have the withdrawl forms
[21:19] <InHisName> Good that you hung onto the withdrawal forms.
[21:36] <andrew> You were supposed tot turn the forms in...
[21:36] <SamuraiAlba> I did
[21:39] <InHisName> I assume what you really meant was they gave you a receipt or confirmation of withdrawal, that's what you kept.
[22:28] <SamuraiAlba> yup
[22:28] <MutantTurkey> yup
[22:28] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: go to pittsburg, get ikea, ??? profit
[22:29] <InHisName> Why go to pitts?  There are Ikea s here.
[22:31] <MutantTurkey> I happened to be here
[22:31] <MutantTurkey> went to the zoo as well
[22:31] <MutantTurkey> Aquarium was not as cool as I thought it would be
[22:36] <InHisName> So the aquarium was a tropical one, very HOT. not cool?