[15:53] <scientes> does the alpha have the new nouveau driver?
[15:53] <scientes> (sub-drver i guess)
[15:53] <scientes> for the nv40 class of cards
[15:54] <scientes> **nv30, mesa driver
[15:54] <scientes> the 2d stuff is working fine, but nvidia prob broken, and i've been waiting for the new nouveau driver
[15:58] <bjsnider> why do you think nvidia is broken?
[15:59] <scientes> *propietary---1 sec
[15:59] <bjsnider> i know what you're referring to, i just would like to know why you think it's broken
[16:00] <scientes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/+bug/964275
[16:00] <scientes> nothing 3d works if i install nvidia
[16:00] <scientes> which was a regression during precise near the end of the cycle, after beta 2
[16:01] <bjsnider> gnome-shell works fine in precise on nvidia
[16:01] <scientes> not with this card
[16:01] <bjsnider> there was a regression on old hardware
[16:01] <scientes> and many others have this card
[16:01] <scientes> and while "old' its not THAT old
[16:02] <scientes> and its nv30, which is why i ask about the new nouveau driver
[16:02] <scientes> bjsnider, yes i know the problem is in the driver
[16:03] <scientes> its just that is the way the crash handler does its blaming
[16:03] <bjsnider> if you say so, sir
[16:04] <scientes> or rather that, gnome-shell works on some hardware still
[16:04] <bjsnider> works great here, but i've got a fermi card
[16:05] <scientes> since wine 3d broke at exACTLY the same time, as did unity-3d, etc............
[16:08] <scientes> oh , looks like new version finially got uploaded to xorg-edgers i might install and reboot and see how it goes
[16:08] <scientes> running unit-2d atm
[16:08] <scientes> w/ nouveau--no point in nvidia w/o 3d
[16:11] <scientes>                             
[16:11] <scientes> Get:23 http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/ precise/main linux-libc-dev amd64 3.4.0-3.7 [930 kB]     
[16:12] <scientes> wow, why does xorg-edgers need to ship linux-libc-dev?
[16:12] <scientes> oh-cause it against newer (back compat) kernels