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JontheEchidnait's time to play "why won't this compile?": http://paste.kde.org/496388/00:27
JontheEchidna(the answer will make you go http://i.imgur.com/FVKBw.png)00:27
sreichidk, wild guess..sub is const?00:31
sreichcould you give a hint?00:31
JontheEchidnait is related to sub00:33
JontheEchidnajust be sure to check the whole loop00:33
Daskreechshadeslayer: it pulled and installed00:33
DaskreechLogging out to try it00:34
sreicheh? you're redefining sub?00:34
JontheEchidnadingdingding!00:34
JontheEchidnagcc 4.7 doesn't let you do that00:34
sreichwell good, it shouldn't ;)00:35
JontheEchidnaright :)00:35
JontheEchidnajust made me chuckle when I was rebuilding kmediafactory :P00:35
DaskreechAnyone tested 4.8.80 on Quantal?00:57
JontheEchidnarunning it now00:59
DaskreechOk Have you had any issues with plasma widgets?01:01
JontheEchidnaanything in particular?01:03
DaskreechWell when I click on add widgets I get a blank panel01:05
JontheEchidnaworks for me™ http://i.imgur.com/oGa2C.jpg01:07
DaskreechJontheEchidna: http://imgur.com/sKOcV01:12
JontheEchidnalol, your IRC client automatically converted the UTF tm character to (TM)01:12
Daskreechtm ?01:14
DaskreechOh Your TM :)01:14
DaskreechYes it did01:14
DaskreechJontheEchidna: So  any idea what would be missing I think I have all the workspace and  plasma packages installed01:19
JontheEchidnanot really :(01:21
JontheEchidnagwenview seems to be the only package that hasn't been built (well, there's ksnapshot on powerpc, but...)01:22
JontheEchidnaand other than that, the only things missing are these: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue01:23
Daskreechok let me try install something I know should be there01:23
Daskreechkdebase-runtime wasn't installed01:26
JontheEchidnamight do it01:26
JontheEchidnaoh01:26
JontheEchidnaexcept it's called kde-runtime now01:26
JontheEchidnakdebase-runtime's just an empty transitional package that depends on kde-runtime01:26
Daskreechlooks so01:27
Daskreechkdebase-apps is similar01:27
Daskreechwhy the renaming?01:27
JontheEchidnakde dun it01:28
DaskreechAh for the frameworks move?01:29
JontheEchidnanope, more of the move to git01:29
Daskreechok installed that and restarted plasma. No change01:29
JontheEchidnathis happened at 4.701:29
DaskreechLet me try figure out something else01:29
Daskreechha adept is still in the repos :-)01:30
JontheEchidnanot for long, I fear01:30
JontheEchidnait's currently being synced from debian, and debian removed it01:30
DaskreechI was surprised it was still there. I thought the authour asked it to be killed01:30
JontheEchidnaI don't remember him explicitly saying as much. Last I heard is that he would no longer be doing work on it, and others could pick it up if they wanted01:31
JontheEchidnabut nobody did, 3.0 never got released and it was RC-buggy so Debian has recently removed it01:31
JontheEchidnanext time an archive admin goes through the debian removals list, it will be gone forever01:32
DaskreechYep I liked Adept but it's dead01:33
Daskreechargh01:35
Daskreechok need to figure out the dbus way to add a  widget01:35
sreichdoubt it's possible01:37
* Daskreech sighs01:37
Daskreechsreich: Any ideas on what would make the plasma Add Widgets dialog disappear?01:43
sreichits contents are empty?01:44
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [999054] DrKonqi should suggest to add dbgsym packages @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/999054 (by Dennis Schridde)03:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 999054 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu) "DrKonqi should suggest to add dbgsym packages" [Undecided,New]03:33
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apacheloggeryofel_: workspace and runtime09:28
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [999054] DrKonqi should suggest to add dbgsym packages @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/999054 (by Dennis Schridde)09:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 999054 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu) "DrKonqi should suggest to add dbgsym packages" [Undecided,Won't fix]09:51
shadeslayerhm, that's weird, kde-runtime still fails even after upstream confirmed that updating sdo will fix it09:53
yofel_shadeslayer: give rebuilding soprano and/or nepomuk a try10:13
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
Tm_Tversion: 1.0 https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/amarok/11:00
yofelo.O11:14
yofeldf11:20
yofel-.-11:20
shadeslayersigh11:25
Riddellyofel, shadeslayer: what's wrong with that amarok page?11:55
yofelthe version11:55
shadeslayerRiddell: Version : 1.011:55
shadeslayer:P11:55
Riddellweirdly broken that is12:02
Ezimhi guys how is it going with kde 4.8.4?12:04
RiddellEzim: stil in testing I think12:06
Ezim:( okey... Ezim misses kubuntu... 12:07
Ezim:( after pulseaudio failure after kde 4.8.3 with kubuntu.... Ezim have been distrohopping.. and that have taken my power... everything was so good with kde 4.8.212:08
shadeslayerhuh, that's interesting, gcc maintainers say they cannot reproduce the bug12:26
shadeslayer:|12:33
yofelshadeslayer: question, who did you ask about required s-d-o version? and which package requires it?12:41
* yofel uploaded a rebuild for nepomuk in the meanwhile12:42
shadeslayeroh shoot12:44
shadeslayeryofel: I uploaded it as well12:44
shadeslayer:D12:44
shadeslayeryofel: vHanda12:44
shadeslayerI don't understand the second part of your question12:45
yofelwell, which package exactly requires s-d-o 0.9? Because whatever it is, it's build system requirements are wrong then12:45
shadeslayersec12:45
yofelwell, if the current retry of runtime fails it's probably nepomuk12:46
shadeslayeryep, he said it's nepomuk-core12:47
shadeslayeryofel: http://paste.kde.org/496592/12:47
yofelah nvm12:48
yofelhe fixed it in git12:48
yofelsry12:48
shadeslayerhm :)12:48
shadeslayerok question, say package a build depends on b, can we somehow extract the version of b which a was built against without parsing the build log?12:55
shadeslayerI suppose not13:00
debfxthere is dh-buildinfo but I'm not convinced storing such information in /usr/share/doc is a good idea13:02
apacheloggershadeslayer: ping13:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: pong13:58
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1010966] KDM doesn't allow login into Unity, Gnome3, Unity 2D... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1010966 (by Tommy_CZ)14:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010966 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "KDM doesn't allow login into Unity, Gnome3, Unity 2D..." [Undecided,Incomplete]14:08
apacheloggerso I had thought about things yesterday, then I had a wine incident and now I can't remember what the conclusions of my thoughts were14:09
apacheloggersomewhat unfortunate14:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: that's why I carry a notebook with me at all times14:10
shadeslayerI've had that happen to me a couple of times :|14:10
shadeslayernot with wine however14:10
apacheloggeryofel: we does not have wikipage/etherpad for release packaging tooling considerations, do we?14:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: I cannot think while writing14:11
yofelno that I know of14:11
apacheloggeralso I cannot write while thinking14:11
apacheloggeryofel: that is very lame then :P14:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: no, you think and then write down your thoughts14:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: that is a cumbersome method14:11
apacheloggerthe writing would interrupt the thinking14:11
apacheloggerpreventing perhaps greater thoughts of appearing14:11
shadeslayerdoubt it14:11
apacheloggers/of/from14:11
apacheloggeroh yes, I tell ya14:12
shadeslayerthen again, it might be that I'm incapable of greater thoughts :P14:12
apacheloggeroften I was on a thought train to nirvana, then had to write down crap for the sake of not forgetting .... 14:12
apacheloggerall was lost14:12
apacheloggerhence I am no buddha14:12
shadeslayerxD14:12
apacheloggerstupid writing14:12
apacheloggerI believe the secret is really to not start drinking when done with thinking14:13
apacheloggeralso every time I glimps at the channel topic I read "with extra gay"14:14
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting: Thu 14th 16:00UTC
apacheloggerhumhum14:15
apacheloggerdebfx: u got time to investigate SRUbility of bug 99189114:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 991891 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "GTK oxygen packages are too old" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99189114:16
apacheloggerand if full release SRU is out of the question, cherry pick14:16
apacheloggeryofel: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-sonic-screwdriver14:22
apacheloggershadeslayer: how's my data coming along btw?14:22
shadeslayerI have a couple of ideas14:22
shadeslayerI don't have a vast exapnsive sea of text14:22
shadeslayerbut just 2-3 lines about where we can improve14:23
apacheloggerit aint data without a vast expansive sea of text!14:23
apacheloggershadeslayer: see, I wanted data on where we spend time, cause otherwise you cannot decide where we should improve :P14:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: how can that be more than 2-3 lines14:23
apacheloggerthere is much that can be improved, ROI on most of that is however low to not existing at all :P14:23
BluesKajHiyas folks14:29
apacheloggerhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs did I write that Oo14:30
apacheloggerahoy BluesKaj14:30
BluesKajhey apachelogger14:35
apacheloggershadeslayer: so, what's with ktp release?14:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: they're fixing their git tags :P14:40
apacheloggerG14:40
apacheloggeranyone feels like fixing bug 918765?15:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 918765 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "the file '/etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf' is in two packages" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91876515:05
apacheloggerkubotu: rss watch qt-bugs15:06
kubotudone15:06
Daskreechsreich: Sorry15:07
DaskreechKnocked out15:07
Daskreechsreich: Add Widgets is an empty panel15:07
Daskreechas seen in  http://imgur.com/sKOcV15:08
sreichah yeah,  i've had that happen when i build from source for some reason15:09
sreichrun plasma from terminal, enabvle kdebugdialog, check output15:09
sreichprobably some qml error/warning15:09
DaskreechKnocked outself2012ok15:09
Daskreechhmm15:10
Daskreechok15:10
Daskreechyep file:///usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/packages/org.kde.desktop.widgetexplorer/contents/ui/main.qml15:12
DaskreechI guess that should be generated by the desktop plasma package?15:13
Daskreechoh wait no it exists15:14
DaskreechError loading QML file.15:16
Daskreech274: Type AppletDelegate unavailable15:16
Daskreech76: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onDragStarted15:16
DaskreechIs the error15:16
BluesKajapachelogger, the kubuntu  backports GPG Key retrieve is timing out , https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports15:17
apacheloggerhow do you retrieve the key?15:18
BluesKajapachelogger, sudo apt-key adv --keyserver kesyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8AC93F7A15:19
apacheloggeryes15:20
apacheloggerbogus server15:20
apacheloggerkesy15:20
BluesKajapachelogger, bogus server ?15:20
BluesKajhow could that be?15:21
apacheloggerkubotu: dns kesyserver.ubuntu.com15:22
kubotukesyserver.ubuntu.com: not found15:22
apacheloggerkubotu: dns keyserver.ubuntu.com15:22
kubotukeyserver.ubuntu.com: not found15:22
apacheloggerfun15:22
apacheloggerkubotu: is your dns resolver broken? ^^15:22
apacheloggerkubotu: host kesyserver.ubuntu.com15:23
shadeslayeror, you know, the keyserver is down or sth15:23
shadeslayerkubotu: dns google.com15:23
kubotugoogle.com: not found15:23
shadeslayerwat15:23
apacheloggerno15:23
shadeslayerkubotu: host google.com15:23
apacheloggerkubotu: host keyserver.ubuntu.com15:23
kubotugoogle.com has address 74.125.227.115:23
kubotugoogle.com has address 74.125.227.215:23
kubotugoogle.com has address 74.125.227.315:23
kubotugoogle.com has address 74.125.227.415:23
kubotugoogle.com has address 74.125.227.5...15:23
kubotukeyserver.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.89.4915:23
shadeslayerheh15:23
apachelogger...15:23
apacheloggeryou just have to type the name properly15:23
apacheloggerwhich is not the case in the apt-key cmd from above15:24
apacheloggerhence15:24
apacheloggerbogus server15:24
apacheloggerah15:24
apacheloggersunday it is15:25
apacheloggertime to get votin'15:25
BluesKajI have alot of these commands saved in a text file , so perhaps it's changed now15:25
apacheloggerno15:25
apacheloggerit is just WRONG15:25
apacheloggerkeSyserver.ubuntu.com was not ever a valid host name15:26
shadeslayer^ :)15:26
shadeslayerapachelogger: <gkiagia> I uploaded the tarballs15:27
shadeslayer0.4 is coming to a kde ftp server near you15:27
shadeslayersoon15:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: package them then :P15:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: Working on echo cancellation for ktp call ui atm15:27
shadeslayermaybe tomorrow15:27
apacheloggerName of the poll (e.g., The Democratic Primary)15:27
DaskreechTrying ot install nepomuk removes most of KDE15:28
shadeslayerGStreamer stuff is fun15:28
* apachelogger is tempted to name it sexiest contributor primary15:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: you crack me up15:28
apacheloggerDaskreech: new feature15:28
Daskreechseems so15:28
apacheloggerwhere? when? why?15:28
DaskreechBack to getting applets to show up15:28
Daskreechapachelogger: Ah sorry. Precise KDE 4.8.80 packages15:28
Daskreechlibnepomuksync4 won't install15:29
DaskreechIt depends on nepomuk-core-data. Trying to install that removes almost all of KDE15:29
* apachelogger fails to use the plasma calendar15:29
apacheloggerDaskreech: .80?15:29
Daskreech.8015:29
apacheloggerdidn't we decide to not publish .80?15:29
apacheloggerwhere do you get .80 from?15:29
DaskreechI said i'd help test15:29
apacheloggerstill the question where do you get it from?15:30
apacheloggeralso I think the nepomuk stuff was split in some way, so the packages are likely named differently now15:30
DaskreechI'm actually trying to get add widgets to show up since it's currently blank but I just noticed that libnepomuksync4 wouldn't install and trying to install it made it throw a hissy fit about the rest of the family so... 15:30
BluesKajoh gawd , this page oneiric . i'm on precise :/15:30
BluesKajis15:31
* apachelogger does not compute input of either party and continues preparing elections15:31
Daskreechapachelogger: from staging15:31
Daskreechdeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu precise main15:31
BluesKajI should have checked more closely15:31
BluesKajapachelogger,^15:31
apacheloggerDaskreech: thy shalt not use staging15:31
apacheloggerBluesKaj: agreed15:31
DaskreechIt says that right at the top of the stagin ppa :)15:32
apacheloggerDaskreech: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs15:32
DaskreechOh Actions on klipper works15:32
Daskreechhmm but no history15:32
Daskreechinteresting15:32
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/10/plasma-desktopHJ1645.png15:32
apacheloggerwhat date is today15:33
DaskreechThe white one15:33
apacheloggerah15:33
apacheloggersreich: fix that15:33
sreichpft, i don't know how to fix things15:34
sreichonly to break15:34
Daskreechwell break all the other non today days15:36
* apachelogger wonders excluding everyone who did not link to their wiki page in their nomination from the election15:36
apacheloggersreich: what Daskreech said15:36
apacheloggersounds reasonable enough15:36
* apachelogger wonders why google thinks apachelogger speaks finnish15:38
jussiapachelogger: heheeehehheheheeh... finnish? 15:40
Daskreechmaybe you will speak finnish and they just got thier dates wrong15:40
apacheloggerHaku?15:40
jussisearch? 15:41
apacheloggerI know that, just saying :P15:41
apacheloggerDaskreech: oh, that is the possible15:41
apacheloggerthey must be using plasma too15:41
jussiapachelogger: answer me... $elsewhere :D15:42
debfxScottK: do you have some time to review kde-base-artwork in NEW? that would make kde-workspace installable again ...15:43
apacheloggerplease someone proof that I got all candidates: clay, felix, jonathan, jussi, myriam, scott15:44
apachelogger^^^^^^^^^15:49
debfxyep I think you got all15:54
apacheloggercheers15:55
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Council Election - Vote Now! | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting: Thu 14th 16:00UTC
apacheloggerkubotu: order i voted button16:05
* kubotu hands apachelogger a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.16:05
kubotuThanks for voting -- The Illuminati16:05
apacheloggerpandas \o/16:05
sreichhm, no "blue friendly computing" in topic anymore?16:05
jussiapachelogger: how do we vote?  (I havent got any mail...)16:06
apacheloggeryou had no accessible email addy it seems16:07
jussijussi01 at ubuntu dot com16:07
apachelogger     No public address provided. 16:08
apacheloggerjussi: see, that is why the announcement said something along the lines "if you paranoid, send me mail with preferred addy :P"16:08
jussido I need to have a public address? why would you not just send them to lpusername@ubuntu.com ? 16:09
apacheloggerI do not know16:09
jussibtw, I should shoot you for spelling my name incorrectly...16:10
apacheloggerperhaps16:10
jussibut the fact is, I need you, so I wont.16:10
jussi:D16:11
jussiNow answer the question in the other channel :D16:11
debfxjussi: that email address mapping is not always correct16:11
apacheloggerah16:11
apacheloggerthe famous apachelogger-i situation16:11
debfx(mostly for very old ubuntu members)16:11
* apachelogger doesn't see the problem with having one's mail addy visible to lp users anyway16:12
apacheloggermuch more spammable is the fact that it is spread throughout all the intartubes thanks to mailing lists16:12
apacheloggeranyhow16:13
sreichyeah, just like people are paranoid to do the someemail (at) . com bit16:13
sreichespecially in irc16:13
apacheloggerjussi: much sorries for misspelling, if it helps any, it happens when writing my own name too ^^16:14
jussiapachelogger: hehe16:14
apacheloggerQuintasan_: gdzie jestes?16:16
* apachelogger needs to pick up some language course again16:16
debfxapachelogger: "Only the single favorite choice will win the poll." <- that doesn't seem quite right16:17
apacheloggerdunno, I think I entered 3 in the field16:18
apacheloggerdebfx: raiting is published anyway, so it doesn't matter much16:18
apacheloggerjust select 3 highest rated16:18
* apachelogger finds that services somewhat cumbersome16:19
BluesKajso where is the 4.8.4 ppa ?16:19
apacheloggere.g. once created you cannot change a poll, regardless  of whether it was started or not16:19
apacheloggervery silly indeed16:20
BluesKajthere it is ...I need to wake up ...late night , last night16:21
jussiapachelogger: did you mention somewhere which method you will use for deciding? (there are 4...)16:33
apacheloggerjussi: the one where my favorites win17:00
apacheloggerdebfx: oh, btw, one can easily set the winning count once the poll ended17:02
apacheloggerjussi: could be decided at the upcoming meeting17:03
apacheloggerotherwise I'll really go with whatever places my favs first :P17:03
apacheloggermakes it all the more exciting I believe17:03
jussiapachelogger: shadeslayer I win17:15
jussiapt-get install rygel rygel-playbin17:15
jussi== win17:16
jussino config necessary17:16
jussijust needed to start rygel17:16
shadeslayertold you17:20
shadeslayerbut last time I used rygel, about a year ago, it was horrible to set it up17:20
jussishadeslayer: yeah, its still got a few issues. 17:21
ScottKdebfx: Probably later today, but not for several hours.17:21
jussiI dont have sound yet17:21
jussishadeslayer: and once its streaming, I have no control17:22
shadeslayerlol17:22
jussihrm17:25
jussiI wonder if xbmc is any better...17:26
BluesKajXBMC is nice if you don't mind it taking over all media on your pc17:28
jussiBluesKaj: yeah, tbh, Ill probably just get it running on my little arm board.17:29
BluesKajjussi, that little 25 buck board with media connectivity on it ? ...I forgot the name17:31
sreichBluesKaj: pandaboard? raspberry pi?17:43
BluesKajsreich, yup that's it17:44
* apachelogger giggles17:44
sreichi mentioned 2 of them ;p17:45
shadeslayerRasPi17:47
shadeslayerget in line 17:47
shadeslayerand the line goes all the way around the world :P17:47
sreichyeah it does..17:47
* apachelogger wonders why17:50
shadeslayercheap, and the GPU is pretty powerful17:50
apacheloggerwho needs the gpu other than bitcoin farmers?17:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: then clearly everyone who is buying a RasPi is a bit coin farmer17:52
apacheloggerreasonable17:52
apacheloggeralso explains the shortness17:52
shadeslayerso ... ktp-call ui now has echo cancellation, but will land in 0.5 only17:53
shadeslayernot a very intrusive patch though ...17:53
BluesKajsreich, think it's the raspberry pi17:53
apacheloggerECHOOOOOOO-OOOOO-OOO-OO-O17:54
shadeslayer:)17:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: do we have 0.4 yet?17:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: sysadmins have to upload it to ftp17:55
apacheloggerpoke sho then17:55
apacheloggershoooooooo-ooooo-oooo-ooo-oo-o17:55
shadeslayerdone17:57
shadeslayer:>17:57
apacheloggerdone-one-ne-e17:59
* apachelogger will not ever be able to stop now18:00
apacheloggerGREAT18:00
apacheloggerreat-eat-at-t18:00
jussiMeh, Ive a freescale board :D18:12
shadeslayerwhich reminds me, I have to flash the opengles enabled kernel on my Transformer tomorrow18:15
apacheloggerso18:35
apacheloggerwhat do I do now18:35
shadeslayerapachelogger: people have been asking that question for centuries18:51
yofelyou... could be packaging beta2?18:52
apacheloggertwo thoughts come to mind: a) if you gimme access to a faster machine b) wouldn't it be more efficient to first create the tools? :P18:56
apacheloggeractually first of all I need to write the blogz for uni18:57
apacheloggeryofel: so...........19:41
apacheloggeryofel: why does we have page for .80?19:41
yofelgood point19:41
yofelfixing19:42
* apachelogger declares himself out of wine19:42
apacheloggeryofel: meta-kde not up yet?19:46
yofelnothing up yet19:47
apacheloggerwhat's with the jr stuff at the bottom then19:47
apacheloggershouldn't meta go up first?19:47
* apachelogger confused19:47
=== yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Council Election - Vote Now! | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.90): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting: Thu 14th 16:00UTC
yofelapachelogger: I was still cleaning up19:50
yofelmy old cleanup procedure doesn't quite work with the pad19:50
apacheloggeryofel: don't we have template so you do not need to "clean" up? ^^19:50
yofelthat still has lots of wiki formatting, I'll make a note to clean that up till rc119:52
apacheloggerW: kubuntu-dev-tools: spelling-error-in-changelog arbitary arbitrary19:52
apachelogger!19:52
apacheloggeryofel: does meta-kde have a branch actually?19:53
yofelit does19:53
apacheloggergood thing jr made us that kde: shortcut I requested :P19:53
yofelhe did?19:53
apacheloggerno19:54
apacheloggerthat was scarasm19:54
yofelwell, that's what we have kbzr for19:54
apachelogger<- saves the day with kbzr19:54
debfxW: apachelogger: spelling-error-in-message scarasm sarcasm19:54
apacheloggernonono19:54
apacheloggeryou are wrong on the internet19:55
yofellol19:55
debfxif the bzr branches are in a sane state we can just automate the whole thing19:56
apacheloggerwhich is what I suggested but yofel does not want that :P19:56
yofelthat's what kgetsource does19:57
apacheloggerit does part-automation19:57
yofelwell, as long as we have enought tools to do proper Q/A *after* upload, I'm fine with automating19:57
apacheloggersee my page19:58
debfxwe have list-missing and cmake output19:58
apacheloggeryofel: conceptually it does not make any difference whether test building is done in a PPA or locally19:58
apacheloggerit does not even particularly for scalability19:58
apacheloggeras long as >2 people actually build19:58
yofelwell, with debfx's page it indeed doesn't19:58
debfxquestion is how do we sanity check the branches19:59
apacheloggerdebfx: what do you mean?19:59
CIA-19[qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120610195910-iuvx8zl9bfjq4qia * debian/ (changelog libqapt1.symbols) * New upstream alpha release: - Drop cherry-picked patches from the 1.3 branch - Update libqapt1.symbols19:59
JontheEchidna(just syncing bzr with the archive, but a new release is coming)19:59
debfxe.g. we need to detect if the branch is outdated19:59
apacheloggerdefine outdated please20:00
debfxthe branch might have post-upload changes staged so we can't just overwrite with what is in the archive20:00
yofelalso if the previous changelog is in a proper state. (i.e. UNRELEASED or with ~ppa)20:00
debfxsomeone might have forgotten to push the branch20:01
debfxor worse the branch and what's in the archive have diverged20:01
apacheloggermany a great ways to do this20:01
apacheloggerfor example20:02
apacheloggersay you build everything in the ppa all the time20:02
apacheloggerthen you'd be able to have one single machine do everything automatically20:02
apacheloggerfirst it fetches all the sources, attempts an auto-bump (dch + version bump in control) -> commits & dputs 20:03
apacheloggerthen someone fixes problems20:03
apacheloggerthe machine would perhaps have a cronjob trying to up its branches20:03
apacheloggerif an updated comes in-> new dput20:03
CIA-19[qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120610200347-h6fro612495hg6i8 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Remove patches removed w/ 1.3.6520:03
apacheloggerafter each build in the PPA it would munch the log from the PPA and run general purpose sanity checks (extrac cmake log, ensure list-missing is empty, ensure no file conflicts occur...)20:04
apacheloggerif the newly pushed revision fails a sanity test the revision is rejected from submission20:05
apacheloggeronce all packages have a revision passing sanity assurance someone can dispatch an automatic upload, so the machine grabs the apporved revisions and builds the source packages and then simply chain uploads to archive20:05
apacheloggerthat is a centralized approach ... as I mentioned you could do just about the same thing with a more decentralized approach20:06
apacheloggeryofel: upload with ~ppa1?20:08
yofelthat's what the plan says20:08
apacheloggerstupid plan20:08
apacheloggeryofel: the plan sez I should upload -0ubuntu1~ppa120:08
apacheloggerwhich is wrong cuz meta-kde is a native pkg :P20:09
CIA-19[meta-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@kubuntu.org> * apachelogger@kubuntu.org-20120610200913-vbbrl40jeh09cjbd * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump for 4.8.9020:09
yofelah fun, well, ~ppa1 it is then20:09
apacheloggerquestion20:09
apacheloggerdo we not have a script for that?20:09
apacheloggerappend ppa version > whatever is in ppa and build source from that, then revert change in stage?20:09
* apachelogger needs some booze for this20:10
apacheloggeryofel: I do not know how to make entries on the eitherpad20:27
yofeljust edit it?20:28
yofeland we currently have no tool that does that. That would be kgetsource job once someone adds that functionality20:29
* yofel doesn't know ruby yet20:29
CIA-19[kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@kubuntu.org> * apachelogger@kubuntu.org-20120610203207-ectld9dv30tuk64z * (bin/kbuildppa debian/changelog) Add kbuildppa for ppa uploads, not particularly scalable yet20:32
apacheloggeryofel: nah, unrelated to kgetsource20:33
apacheloggeryou may need to push after you fixed an issue20:33
apacheloggerso you need a bump unrelated to kgetsource20:34
apacheloggerthough I agree, ultimately with a PPA based testbuild workflow kgetsource would then be using kbuildppa to push the autogenerated bump to the ppa ^^20:34
apacheloggerFWIW kbuildppa currently does not dput btw20:34
apacheloggerdebfx, yofel: also please ditch in your random brain waves at http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-sonic-screwdriver20:35
apacheloggerhelps a great deal with working towards a solution if we have ideas written down :)20:35
yofelETOOTIRED, but will do20:36
apacheloggeryofel: can I remove the thingsies that need no update from the etherpad?20:36
yofel?20:36
yofelah20:36
apacheloggerqt4, qtwebkit, pornon, whatnot20:36
apacheloggermakes me scroll tho I do not want to scroll20:36
yofelyeah, do it20:37
apacheloggerI have scrollphobia as a matter of fact20:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you vote already?20:37
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yus20:37
apacheloggerwhy don't you have a button then you lazy bum? :P20:38
apacheloggerkubotu: order i voted button for JontheEchidna20:38
* kubotu hands JontheEchidna a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.20:38
kubotuThanks for voting -- The Illuminati20:38
JontheEchidna:D20:38
apacheloggerthere we go20:38
apacheloggerthis year we have pandas20:38
JontheEchidnaI spy a KTP release in upload.kde.org's incoming folder20:39
apacheloggersomeone added spooky code to kgetsource ^^20:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yes, sho refused to pass it through, tho I forgot why20:40
apacheloggerhad something to do with windows I believe20:40
apacheloggerand shadeslayer refuses to do work until it is in actual ftpmaster20:40
shadeslayerwhut20:41
JontheEchidnamaybe slip ben cooksley a fiver :P20:41
apachelogger    puts("NEED MORE ARGS YE BSTD")20:41
apacheloggerohohohoh20:41
apacheloggerroflmao20:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: Sho had 5000 windows open20:41
yofelThat's © Jonathan Kolberg ^^20:41
shadeslayerI'm dealing with some shitty d pointers right now, so will talk later20:41
apacheloggerah yes, the windows 5k problem20:41
apacheloggeryofel: yah, sounds like him alright20:42
yofelit does have a manpage though20:42
yofelhm20:42
apacheloggershadeslayer: shitty d pointers?20:42
apacheloggerdude20:42
apacheloggerlike20:42
apacheloggerthe combination of shitty and d20:42
shadeslayer:P20:42
apacheloggerand considering what d/q represent20:42
apacheloggeroh gawd20:42
apacheloggershadeslayer: to say it in the words of kgetsource DIRTY ARE YE BSTD20:43
shadeslayerit's not really the d pointers fault, I just don't know why I can't connect signals to the members of the d pointer20:43
apacheloggeror perhaps ARRR20:43
* apachelogger is never sure on the grammar there20:43
apacheloggershadeslayer: you can20:43
shadeslayerso I'm just blaming the d pointer :P20:43
apacheloggerbut the class it points to needs to be a qobject20:43
shadeslayerhmm20:43
apacheloggerotherwise it won't have a qmetaobject, thus nothing to connect20:43
* shadeslayer looks it up20:43
apacheloggerBUT20:43
apacheloggeroften you do not want to do that but instead use a Q_PRIVATE_SLOT in the public class20:44
shadeslayerit's a Tp::CallChannelPtr for starts20:44
shadeslayerthat's what I'm doign20:44
apacheloggerwhat that macro does is add the appropriate function of the private class as a metaobject method to the public class20:44
shadeslayerhmm20:44
shadeslayeractually20:45
shadeslayerit's in private _SLOT20:45
shadeslayererm20:45
shadeslayerprivate Q_SLOTS20:45
apacheloggeri.e. class Bar {QPS(foo()) }; will result in BarMetaObject { void methodcrap() { switch foo: d->foo() }}20:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: those are not the same things20:45
apacheloggerread and think20:45
shadeslayeryeah, I understand what you're saying20:45
shadeslayerhmmm20:46
apacheloggerQ_SLOTS and Q_SIGNALS is an instruction to moc that gets preprocessed to nothing20:46
apacheloggerso you get private: public: etc.20:46
apacheloggerso all those thingies actually ahve a c++ signature and symbol20:46
apacheloggera QPS OTOH is purely implemented in the metaobject20:46
apacheloggerwhich has no symbol or signature to the outside20:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: are you sure QPS is properly documented somewhere?20:46
apacheloggershadeslayer: just look at any bigger qt software20:47
shadeslayerlol20:47
apacheloggerit aint officially supported IIRC20:47
shadeslayer^^20:47
apacheloggeri.e. they may break it so that you have to change the code20:47
shadeslayerI asked because that is exactly what was raised in a mailing list ... in 0820:47
apacheloggerOTOH qobject adds a whopping 500k IIRC to the private object20:47
shadeslayereeeeppp20:48
apacheloggerso you really want to use QPS unless your private class is a) not created often and b) has a shitload of metacrap20:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: also fWIW, I think they semi-advocated its use for symbian/harmattan so it is semi-supported now, no matter what they say :P20:48
shadeslayerheh20:49
apacheloggernow then20:49
apacheloggermeta-kde is up and I am drunk20:49
apacheloggera package a day keeps the sanity away I always say20:49
shadeslayermy inbox is full of people complaining about KDE 4.8 and 4.920:52
shadeslayerI think I'll go sleep now20:52
apacheloggereh?20:58
apacheloggerah20:58
apacheloggeryeah20:58
apacheloggernot worth reading20:58
apacheloggerreally20:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: hm>20:58
shadeslayers/>/? 20:59
apacheloggerperhaps u talking about something else21:00
apacheloggernvm21:00
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_MPCUyuqJ8&feature=related21:03
apacheloggerscp: /home/ftpubuntu/4/4.8.90/src/oxygen-icons-4.8.90.tar.xz: No such file or directory21:03
apacheloggerwha21:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://thepaperwall.com/wallpapers/movies/big/big_184f1674bdb1af680d68e71f2b1fa1bb8ad641c9.jpg21:05
apacheloggermy sftp is broken21:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: 0.4 KTP tarballs are up21:15
apacheloggerI cannot access the ftpmaster21:15
apacheloggerso don't tell me, package it :P21:15
shadeslayerftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-telepathy/0.4.0/src/21:15
shadeslayeruse a browser/konqueror :P21:15
apacheloggerah yes21:16
apacheloggerit werkz with sftp but not kio21:16
apacheloggerthe KIO is kaput21:16
apacheloggerhalp!21:16
apacheloggerah yes21:16
apacheloggerscp: /home/ftpubuntu/4/4.8.90/src/oxygen-icons-4.8.90.tar.xz: No such file or directory21:16
apacheloggerfunny how I read series as epoch21:17
apacheloggeractually we could autodetect that21:17
apacheloggerlast version component >= 50 == unstable21:17
yofelkubotu: order i voted button21:21
* kubotu hands yofel a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.21:21
kubotuThanks for voting -- The Illuminati21:21
apachelogger\o/21:22
debfxapachelogger: what do you think of this undocumented and hacky script: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/kubuntu-initial-upload21:22
apacheloggerdunno, rekonq loads to slow21:22
apacheloggertoo21:22
apacheloggerand then it tells me the certificate is crap21:22
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: incoming qapt/muon release in ~4 hours, will fix your issues in quantal21:23
apacheloggerdebfx: much niceness21:23
apacheloggerwithout going too deep into the functions21:23
apacheloggerdebfx: I do however believe that many scripts > one script21:23
debfxthere are some other scripts in the branch :P21:24
apacheloggerah21:24
apacheloggerdebfx: please link it in the screwdriver page21:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: and what about precise? :(21:25
* apachelogger points out that on this here quantal netbook he does notuse a dark theme but on his precise laptop :P21:25
JontheEchidnaprecise doesn't build against gcc-4.7, so it should be fine21:25
apacheloggerah21:26
apacheloggerI thought you meant the color issue21:26
apacheloggergcc fix is also goody21:26
JontheEchidnaoh, when you said "fix muon in quantal please" I thought you were talking about the issue that makes it totally unusable :P21:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I was talking about colors, but yah, gcc fix seems somewhat important too :P21:27
apacheloggeroxygen-xygen-ygen-gen-en-n21:28
apacheloggeris le fat21:28
JontheEchidnaall those svgz's21:28
JontheEchidnashould store them uncompressed21:28
BluesKajquantal just segfaulted after the login , Kwin is broken as is the debugger and the crash repoter21:28
JontheEchidnaand let the zipping utility do compression over the whole thing21:29
apacheloggerBluesKaj: it happens21:29
debfxwe need svgxz files!21:29
apacheloggerOo21:29
BluesKajtried to get their attn at ubuntu+1 ,but nobody answers21:29
apacheloggerwhat are we supposed to do then?21:30
apacheloggerAFAIK we didn't upload a new kdelibs so we should not have broken it21:30
BluesKajuse your influence ")21:30
apacheloggerI do not even know what is wrong21:30
BluesKajyeah apachelogger it's difficult to file a crash report when those apps won't work either 21:31
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: debfx: yofel: pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.12) <--- do I need to bump that?21:31
apacheloggerBluesKaj: gdb21:32
debfxno, just the kde-sc-dev-latest21:32
apacheloggerah21:32
apacheloggerdebfx: why that should be done by kgetsource, no?21:32
* apachelogger would find that sensible anyway21:32
yofelit is done by kgetsource21:32
debfxkubuntu-initial-upload does that already :P21:32
apacheloggerBluesKaj: in fact, if they crash right away you likey have a symbol crash which might show up on terminal just like that21:32
apacheloggeryofel: ah21:32
apacheloggeroh right, oxygen has no dev-latest21:32
apacheloggeryofel: is that the spooky code I saw?21:33
apacheloggercause I did not understand the spooky code ^^21:33
yofelyeah, that one ^^21:33
apacheloggerhad a function in a function21:33
apacheloggerthat always trips me21:33
BluesKajok apachelogger I'll check the error in the tty ...bbiab21:33
yofelIMO python looks scarier once you start using lamda...21:33
yofel*lambda21:34
CIA-19[oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@kubuntu.org> * apachelogger@kubuntu.org-20120610213415-e4u75bvtpw49c9zg * debian/changelog New upstream release21:34
apacheloggeractual lamda is fine, it gives you a natural constraint on what you pack in there21:34
apacheloggerwell, if you have any sense of beauty that is21:34
apacheloggerbut functions inside functions are just wrong :P21:34
apacheloggertotal matter of opinion tho21:35
* debfx <3 lambda21:35
debfxkdesc.sort(key=lambda package: package.find("lib") != -1 and "_" + package or package)21:35
apacheloggeroh21:35
apacheloggerah21:35
apacheloggerok21:36
apacheloggerthat is hardly readable :P21:36
apacheloggerpython--21:36
apachelogger:P21:36
apacheloggerif anyone feels like scripting ... kbuildppa needs either porting to pyth0rn or a new script to get latest version of a given package in a ppa 21:36
apacheloggerlatter is preferred as that surely can be useful for other things than relase packaging21:36
apacheloggerdebfx, yofel, JontheEchidna: so, I think we should have a kubuntu-dev meeting next week or so21:37
apacheloggerto figure out how we want to do this21:38
apacheloggerso we can get possible server resources organized somehow and start writing the magic21:38
yofeluh, first we'll have our regular meeting, schedule one after that21:38
apacheloggerdunnno if peoplez have the time21:38
apacheloggeralso 2 meetings after each other is quite meh21:38
apacheloggerparticularly if one needs to do loads of thinking in both21:39
* yofel meant schedule as in send doodle thingy21:39
apacheloggerah yes21:39
apacheloggernot now tho, too drunk, also I sent like 15 mails today already ^^21:39
apacheloggerbug 101131021:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1011136 in libav (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1011310 package ffmpeg 4:0.8.1-0ubuntu2 failed to upgrade: trying to overwrite 'ffmpeg' and 'ffmpeg.1.gz', which is also in package libav-tools 4:0.8.1-0ubuntu3" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101113621:42
apacheloggerOo21:42
* apachelogger kicks ubottu in the jewls21:43
apacheloggerbug 101131021:43
* apachelogger sighs21:43
apacheloggerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/101131021:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1011310 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "package kdegames-card-data-extra 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/carddecks/svg-oxygen-air/11.png', which is also in package kdegames-card-data 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1" [Undecided,New]21:43
apacheloggeryofel, debfx: ^21:43
apacheloggeralso someone please find out who's rotten bot triaged that thing as a duplicate21:44
yofelwhich release is that ?!? Dependencies: kdegames-card-data 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu121:45
apacheloggerhow would I know21:45
apacheloggerI just unbroke the duplication21:46
yofeland why is that log about ffmpeg O.O21:46
yofelah21:46
yofelDuplicateSignature21:46
apacheloggerI really don't compute that bug at all21:46
apacheloggersomeone do something to it21:46
apacheloggerjust would like it to be cleared up as not being our fault but indeed ffmpeg21:46
yofellooks like an quantal upgrade21:46
debfxkdegames-card-data-extra 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu1 contains svg-oxygen-air but shouldn't21:47
debfxi.e. it's in both kdegames-card-data and kdegames-card-data-extra21:47
yofeldebfx seems like21:47
apacheloggerpff21:47
apacheloggergood thing I noticed the duplication then :P21:47
yofelbut apport still made quite a mess out of that report o.O21:47
apacheloggereveryone running their bug bots over the bugs21:48
apacheloggerI think siretart too, as he does not appear to be around right now21:48
yofelthat one's usually useful, but needs a parsing fix here21:49
* apachelogger is generally feeling uncomfortable with computers trying to solve non deterministic problems such as bug triage :P21:50
debfxit's not the bot's fault, look at the DuplicateSignature21:50
yofelactually, it's a dup of bug 101127521:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1011275 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "package kdegames-card-data-extra 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/carddecks/svg-oxygen-air/11.png', which is also in package kdegames-card-data 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101127521:50
debfxthat user got both overwrite conflicts in one upgrade21:50
apacheloggerdebfx: what I said :P21:51
apacheloggeroxygen going up21:52
apacheloggeralso FTR: building oxygen source on a netbook is no fun21:52
BluesKajapachelogger, error is : exception during pm.DoInstall:package error, left unconfigured, kubuntu netbook:amd64  ...this isn't a netbook, it's desktop. I don't eben need that configuration :P21:53
BluesKajerr even , even 21:53
apacheloggeryour dpkg is fried21:53
apacheloggeror is that apt21:53
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what say you?21:53
apacheloggerDoInstall sounds somewhat apty21:54
BluesKajreinstall apt?21:54
BluesKajor apt-get21:54
apacheloggerdunno21:54
apacheloggerwhat's the exception? :P21:54
JontheEchidnaeither apty or dpkg-y21:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: y thank you captain obvious :P21:55
apachelogger Unable to find oxygen-icons_4.8.90.orig.tar.xz in upload or distribution.21:56
apacheloggerAAAAH21:56
apacheloggerfuckin ell21:57
BluesKajguess I could get the image and install it on /21:57
* apachelogger rebuilds source again -.-22:00
* JontheEchidna afk for an hour22:15
CIA-19[kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@kubuntu.org> * apachelogger@kubuntu.org-20120610221555-uu4sltxls8sro1io * bin/kbuildppa on ppa1 build with -sa as we likely need the source22:16

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