[00:27] <JontheEchidna> it's time to play "why won't this compile?": http://paste.kde.org/496388/
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> (the answer will make you go http://i.imgur.com/FVKBw.png)
[00:31] <sreich> idk, wild guess..sub is const?
[00:31] <sreich> could you give a hint?
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> it is related to sub
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> just be sure to check the whole loop
[00:33] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: it pulled and installed
[00:34] <Daskreech> Logging out to try it
[00:34] <sreich> eh? you're redefining sub?
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> dingdingding!
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> gcc 4.7 doesn't let you do that
[00:35] <sreich> well good, it shouldn't ;)
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> right :)
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> just made me chuckle when I was rebuilding kmediafactory :P
[00:57] <Daskreech> Anyone tested 4.8.80 on Quantal?
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> running it now
[01:01] <Daskreech> Ok Have you had any issues with plasma widgets?
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> anything in particular?
[01:05] <Daskreech> Well when I click on add widgets I get a blank panel
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> works for me™ http://i.imgur.com/oGa2C.jpg
[01:12] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: http://imgur.com/sKOcV
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> lol, your IRC client automatically converted the UTF tm character to (TM)
[01:14] <Daskreech> tm ?
[01:14] <Daskreech> Oh Your TM :)
[01:14] <Daskreech> Yes it did
[01:19] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: So  any idea what would be missing I think I have all the workspace and  plasma packages installed
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> not really :(
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> gwenview seems to be the only package that hasn't been built (well, there's ksnapshot on powerpc, but...)
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> and other than that, the only things missing are these: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue
[01:23] <Daskreech> ok let me try install something I know should be there
[01:26] <Daskreech> kdebase-runtime wasn't installed
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> might do it
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> oh
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> except it's called kde-runtime now
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-runtime's just an empty transitional package that depends on kde-runtime
[01:27] <Daskreech> looks so
[01:27] <Daskreech> kdebase-apps is similar
[01:27] <Daskreech> why the renaming?
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> kde dun it
[01:29] <Daskreech> Ah for the frameworks move?
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> nope, more of the move to git
[01:29] <Daskreech> ok installed that and restarted plasma. No change
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> this happened at 4.7
[01:29] <Daskreech> Let me try figure out something else
[01:30] <Daskreech> ha adept is still in the repos :-)
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> not for long, I fear
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> it's currently being synced from debian, and debian removed it
[01:30] <Daskreech> I was surprised it was still there. I thought the authour asked it to be killed
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> I don't remember him explicitly saying as much. Last I heard is that he would no longer be doing work on it, and others could pick it up if they wanted
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> but nobody did, 3.0 never got released and it was RC-buggy so Debian has recently removed it
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> next time an archive admin goes through the debian removals list, it will be gone forever
[01:33] <Daskreech> Yep I liked Adept but it's dead
[01:35] <Daskreech> argh
[01:35] <Daskreech> ok need to figure out the dbus way to add a  widget
[01:37] <sreich> doubt it's possible
[01:37]  * Daskreech sighs
[01:43] <Daskreech> sreich: Any ideas on what would make the plasma Add Widgets dialog disappear?
[01:44] <sreich> its contents are empty?
[03:33] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [999054] DrKonqi should suggest to add dbgsym packages @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/999054 (by Dennis Schridde)
[09:28] <apachelogger> yofel_: workspace and runtime
[09:51] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [999054] DrKonqi should suggest to add dbgsym packages @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/999054 (by Dennis Schridde)
[09:53] <shadeslayer> hm, that's weird, kde-runtime still fails even after upstream confirmed that updating sdo will fix it
[10:13] <yofel_> shadeslayer: give rebuilding soprano and/or nepomuk a try
[11:00] <Tm_T> version: 1.0 https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/amarok/
[11:14] <yofel> o.O
[11:20] <yofel> df
[11:20] <yofel> -.-
[11:25] <shadeslayer> sigh
[11:55] <Riddell> yofel, shadeslayer: what's wrong with that amarok page?
[11:55] <yofel> the version
[11:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Version : 1.0
[11:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:02] <Riddell> weirdly broken that is
[12:04] <Ezim> hi guys how is it going with kde 4.8.4?
[12:06] <Riddell> Ezim: stil in testing I think
[12:07] <Ezim> :( okey... Ezim misses kubuntu... 
[12:08] <Ezim> :( after pulseaudio failure after kde 4.8.3 with kubuntu.... Ezim have been distrohopping.. and that have taken my power... everything was so good with kde 4.8.2
[12:26] <shadeslayer> huh, that's interesting, gcc maintainers say they cannot reproduce the bug
[12:33] <shadeslayer> :|
[12:41] <yofel> shadeslayer: question, who did you ask about required s-d-o version? and which package requires it?
[12:42]  * yofel uploaded a rebuild for nepomuk in the meanwhile
[12:44] <shadeslayer> oh shoot
[12:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: I uploaded it as well
[12:44] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: vHanda
[12:45] <shadeslayer> I don't understand the second part of your question
[12:45] <yofel> well, which package exactly requires s-d-o 0.9? Because whatever it is, it's build system requirements are wrong then
[12:45] <shadeslayer> sec
[12:46] <yofel> well, if the current retry of runtime fails it's probably nepomuk
[12:47] <shadeslayer> yep, he said it's nepomuk-core
[12:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/496592/
[12:48] <yofel> ah nvm
[12:48] <yofel> he fixed it in git
[12:48] <yofel> sry
[12:48] <shadeslayer> hm :)
[12:55] <shadeslayer> ok question, say package a build depends on b, can we somehow extract the version of b which a was built against without parsing the build log?
[13:00] <shadeslayer> I suppose not
[13:02] <debfx> there is dh-buildinfo but I'm not convinced storing such information in /usr/share/doc is a good idea
[13:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pong
[14:08] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1010966] KDM doesn't allow login into Unity, Gnome3, Unity 2D... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1010966 (by Tommy_CZ)
[14:09] <apachelogger> so I had thought about things yesterday, then I had a wine incident and now I can't remember what the conclusions of my thoughts were
[14:09] <apachelogger> somewhat unfortunate
[14:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that's why I carry a notebook with me at all times
[14:10] <shadeslayer> I've had that happen to me a couple of times :|
[14:10] <shadeslayer> not with wine however
[14:10] <apachelogger> yofel: we does not have wikipage/etherpad for release packaging tooling considerations, do we?
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I cannot think while writing
[14:11] <yofel> no that I know of
[14:11] <apachelogger> also I cannot write while thinking
[14:11] <apachelogger> yofel: that is very lame then :P
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, you think and then write down your thoughts
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is a cumbersome method
[14:11] <apachelogger> the writing would interrupt the thinking
[14:11] <apachelogger> preventing perhaps greater thoughts of appearing
[14:11] <shadeslayer> doubt it
[14:11] <apachelogger> s/of/from
[14:12] <apachelogger> oh yes, I tell ya
[14:12] <shadeslayer> then again, it might be that I'm incapable of greater thoughts :P
[14:12] <apachelogger> often I was on a thought train to nirvana, then had to write down crap for the sake of not forgetting .... 
[14:12] <apachelogger> all was lost
[14:12] <apachelogger> hence I am no buddha
[14:12] <shadeslayer> xD
[14:12] <apachelogger> stupid writing
[14:13] <apachelogger> I believe the secret is really to not start drinking when done with thinking
[14:14] <apachelogger> also every time I glimps at the channel topic I read "with extra gay"
[14:15] <apachelogger> humhum
[14:16] <apachelogger> debfx: u got time to investigate SRUbility of bug 991891
[14:16] <apachelogger> and if full release SRU is out of the question, cherry pick
[14:22] <apachelogger> yofel: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-sonic-screwdriver
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how's my data coming along btw?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> I have a couple of ideas
[14:22] <shadeslayer> I don't have a vast exapnsive sea of text
[14:23] <shadeslayer> but just 2-3 lines about where we can improve
[14:23] <apachelogger> it aint data without a vast expansive sea of text!
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see, I wanted data on where we spend time, cause otherwise you cannot decide where we should improve :P
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how can that be more than 2-3 lines
[14:23] <apachelogger> there is much that can be improved, ROI on most of that is however low to not existing at all :P
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[14:30] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs did I write that Oo
[14:30] <apachelogger> ahoy BluesKaj
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hey apachelogger
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, what's with ktp release?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they're fixing their git tags :P
[14:40] <apachelogger> G
[15:05] <apachelogger> anyone feels like fixing bug 918765?
[15:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: rss watch qt-bugs
[15:06] <kubotu> done
[15:07] <Daskreech> sreich: Sorry
[15:07] <Daskreech> Knocked out
[15:07] <Daskreech> sreich: Add Widgets is an empty panel
[15:08] <Daskreech> as seen in  http://imgur.com/sKOcV
[15:09] <sreich> ah yeah,  i've had that happen when i build from source for some reason
[15:09] <sreich> run plasma from terminal, enabvle kdebugdialog, check output
[15:09] <sreich> probably some qml error/warning
[15:09] <Daskreech> Knocked outself2012ok
[15:10] <Daskreech> hmm
[15:10] <Daskreech> ok
[15:12] <Daskreech> yep file:///usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/packages/org.kde.desktop.widgetexplorer/contents/ui/main.qml
[15:13] <Daskreech> I guess that should be generated by the desktop plasma package?
[15:14] <Daskreech> oh wait no it exists
[15:16] <Daskreech> Error loading QML file.
[15:16] <Daskreech> 274: Type AppletDelegate unavailable
[15:16] <Daskreech> 76: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onDragStarted
[15:16] <Daskreech> Is the error
[15:17] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, the kubuntu  backports GPG Key retrieve is timing out , https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[15:18] <apachelogger> how do you retrieve the key?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, sudo apt-key adv --keyserver kesyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8AC93F7A
[15:20] <apachelogger> yes
[15:20] <apachelogger> bogus server
[15:20] <apachelogger> kesy
[15:20] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, bogus server ?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> how could that be?
[15:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: dns kesyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:22] <kubotu> kesyserver.ubuntu.com: not found
[15:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: dns keyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:22] <kubotu> keyserver.ubuntu.com: not found
[15:22] <apachelogger> fun
[15:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: is your dns resolver broken? ^^
[15:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: host kesyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:23] <shadeslayer> or, you know, the keyserver is down or sth
[15:23] <shadeslayer> kubotu: dns google.com
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com: not found
[15:23] <shadeslayer> wat
[15:23] <apachelogger> no
[15:23] <shadeslayer> kubotu: host google.com
[15:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: host keyserver.ubuntu.com
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address 74.125.227.1
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address 74.125.227.2
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address 74.125.227.3
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address 74.125.227.4
[15:23] <kubotu> google.com has address 74.125.227.5...
[15:23] <kubotu> keyserver.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.89.49
[15:23] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:23] <apachelogger> ...
[15:23] <apachelogger> you just have to type the name properly
[15:24] <apachelogger> which is not the case in the apt-key cmd from above
[15:24] <apachelogger> hence
[15:24] <apachelogger> bogus server
[15:24] <apachelogger> ah
[15:25] <apachelogger> sunday it is
[15:25] <apachelogger> time to get votin'
[15:25] <BluesKaj> I have alot of these commands saved in a text file , so perhaps it's changed now
[15:25] <apachelogger> no
[15:25] <apachelogger> it is just WRONG
[15:26] <apachelogger> keSyserver.ubuntu.com was not ever a valid host name
[15:26] <shadeslayer> ^ :)
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: <gkiagia> I uploaded the tarballs
[15:27] <shadeslayer> 0.4 is coming to a kde ftp server near you
[15:27] <shadeslayer> soon
[15:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: package them then :P
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Working on echo cancellation for ktp call ui atm
[15:27] <shadeslayer> maybe tomorrow
[15:27] <apachelogger> Name of the poll (e.g., The Democratic Primary)
[15:28] <Daskreech> Trying ot install nepomuk removes most of KDE
[15:28] <shadeslayer> GStreamer stuff is fun
[15:28]  * apachelogger is tempted to name it sexiest contributor primary
[15:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you crack me up
[15:28] <apachelogger> Daskreech: new feature
[15:28] <Daskreech> seems so
[15:28] <apachelogger> where? when? why?
[15:28] <Daskreech> Back to getting applets to show up
[15:28] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Ah sorry. Precise KDE 4.8.80 packages
[15:29] <Daskreech> libnepomuksync4 won't install
[15:29] <Daskreech> It depends on nepomuk-core-data. Trying to install that removes almost all of KDE
[15:29]  * apachelogger fails to use the plasma calendar
[15:29] <apachelogger> Daskreech: .80?
[15:29] <Daskreech> .80
[15:29] <apachelogger> didn't we decide to not publish .80?
[15:29] <apachelogger> where do you get .80 from?
[15:29] <Daskreech> I said i'd help test
[15:30] <apachelogger> still the question where do you get it from?
[15:30] <apachelogger> also I think the nepomuk stuff was split in some way, so the packages are likely named differently now
[15:30] <Daskreech> I'm actually trying to get add widgets to show up since it's currently blank but I just noticed that libnepomuksync4 wouldn't install and trying to install it made it throw a hissy fit about the rest of the family so... 
[15:30] <BluesKaj> oh gawd , this page oneiric . i'm on precise :/
[15:31] <BluesKaj> is
[15:31]  * apachelogger does not compute input of either party and continues preparing elections
[15:31] <Daskreech> apachelogger: from staging
[15:31] <Daskreech> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu precise main
[15:31] <BluesKaj> I should have checked more closely
[15:31] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,^
[15:31] <apachelogger> Daskreech: thy shalt not use staging
[15:31] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: agreed
[15:32] <Daskreech> It says that right at the top of the stagin ppa :)
[15:32] <apachelogger> Daskreech: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs
[15:32] <Daskreech> Oh Actions on klipper works
[15:32] <Daskreech> hmm but no history
[15:32] <Daskreech> interesting
[15:32] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/10/plasma-desktopHJ1645.png
[15:33] <apachelogger> what date is today
[15:33] <Daskreech> The white one
[15:33] <apachelogger> ah
[15:33] <apachelogger> sreich: fix that
[15:34] <sreich> pft, i don't know how to fix things
[15:34] <sreich> only to break
[15:36] <Daskreech> well break all the other non today days
[15:36]  * apachelogger wonders excluding everyone who did not link to their wiki page in their nomination from the election
[15:36] <apachelogger> sreich: what Daskreech said
[15:36] <apachelogger> sounds reasonable enough
[15:38]  * apachelogger wonders why google thinks apachelogger speaks finnish
[15:40] <jussi> apachelogger: heheeehehheheheeh... finnish? 
[15:40] <Daskreech> maybe you will speak finnish and they just got thier dates wrong
[15:40] <apachelogger> Haku?
[15:41] <jussi> search? 
[15:41] <apachelogger> I know that, just saying :P
[15:41] <apachelogger> Daskreech: oh, that is the possible
[15:41] <apachelogger> they must be using plasma too
[15:42] <jussi> apachelogger: answer me... $elsewhere :D
[15:43] <debfx> ScottK: do you have some time to review kde-base-artwork in NEW? that would make kde-workspace installable again ...
[15:44] <apachelogger> please someone proof that I got all candidates: clay, felix, jonathan, jussi, myriam, scott
[15:49] <apachelogger> ^^^^^^^^^
[15:54] <debfx> yep I think you got all
[15:55] <apachelogger> cheers
[16:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted button
[16:05]  * kubotu hands apachelogger a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.
[16:05] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[16:05] <apachelogger> pandas \o/
[16:05] <sreich> hm, no "blue friendly computing" in topic anymore?
[16:06] <jussi> apachelogger: how do we vote?  (I havent got any mail...)
[16:07] <apachelogger> you had no accessible email addy it seems
[16:07] <jussi> jussi01 at ubuntu dot com
[16:08] <apachelogger>      No public address provided. 
[16:08] <apachelogger> jussi: see, that is why the announcement said something along the lines "if you paranoid, send me mail with preferred addy :P"
[16:09] <jussi> do I need to have a public address? why would you not just send them to lpusername@ubuntu.com ? 
[16:09] <apachelogger> I do not know
[16:10] <jussi> btw, I should shoot you for spelling my name incorrectly...
[16:10] <apachelogger> perhaps
[16:10] <jussi> but the fact is, I need you, so I wont.
[16:11] <jussi> :D
[16:11] <jussi> Now answer the question in the other channel :D
[16:11] <debfx> jussi: that email address mapping is not always correct
[16:11] <apachelogger> ah
[16:11] <apachelogger> the famous apachelogger-i situation
[16:11] <debfx> (mostly for very old ubuntu members)
[16:12]  * apachelogger doesn't see the problem with having one's mail addy visible to lp users anyway
[16:12] <apachelogger> much more spammable is the fact that it is spread throughout all the intartubes thanks to mailing lists
[16:13] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:13] <sreich> yeah, just like people are paranoid to do the someemail (at) . com bit
[16:13] <sreich> especially in irc
[16:14] <apachelogger> jussi: much sorries for misspelling, if it helps any, it happens when writing my own name too ^^
[16:14] <jussi> apachelogger: hehe
[16:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: gdzie jestes?
[16:16]  * apachelogger needs to pick up some language course again
[16:17] <debfx> apachelogger: "Only the single favorite choice will win the poll." <- that doesn't seem quite right
[16:18] <apachelogger> dunno, I think I entered 3 in the field
[16:18] <apachelogger> debfx: raiting is published anyway, so it doesn't matter much
[16:18] <apachelogger> just select 3 highest rated
[16:19]  * apachelogger finds that services somewhat cumbersome
[16:19] <BluesKaj> so where is the 4.8.4 ppa ?
[16:19] <apachelogger> e.g. once created you cannot change a poll, regardless  of whether it was started or not
[16:20] <apachelogger> very silly indeed
[16:21] <BluesKaj> there it is ...I need to wake up ...late night , last night
[16:33] <jussi> apachelogger: did you mention somewhere which method you will use for deciding? (there are 4...)
[17:00] <apachelogger> jussi: the one where my favorites win
[17:02] <apachelogger> debfx: oh, btw, one can easily set the winning count once the poll ended
[17:03] <apachelogger> jussi: could be decided at the upcoming meeting
[17:03] <apachelogger> otherwise I'll really go with whatever places my favs first :P
[17:03] <apachelogger> makes it all the more exciting I believe
[17:15] <jussi> apachelogger: shadeslayer I win
[17:15] <jussi> apt-get install rygel rygel-playbin
[17:16] <jussi> == win
[17:16] <jussi> no config necessary
[17:16] <jussi> just needed to start rygel
[17:20] <shadeslayer> told you
[17:20] <shadeslayer> but last time I used rygel, about a year ago, it was horrible to set it up
[17:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, its still got a few issues. 
[17:21] <ScottK> debfx: Probably later today, but not for several hours.
[17:21] <jussi> I dont have sound yet
[17:22] <jussi> shadeslayer: and once its streaming, I have no control
[17:22] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:25] <jussi> hrm
[17:26] <jussi> I wonder if xbmc is any better...
[17:28] <BluesKaj> XBMC is nice if you don't mind it taking over all media on your pc
[17:29] <jussi> BluesKaj: yeah, tbh, Ill probably just get it running on my little arm board.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> jussi, that little 25 buck board with media connectivity on it ? ...I forgot the name
[17:43] <sreich> BluesKaj: pandaboard? raspberry pi?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> sreich, yup that's it
[17:44]  * apachelogger giggles
[17:45] <sreich> i mentioned 2 of them ;p
[17:47] <shadeslayer> RasPi
[17:47] <shadeslayer> get in line 
[17:47] <shadeslayer> and the line goes all the way around the world :P
[17:47] <sreich> yeah it does..
[17:50]  * apachelogger wonders why
[17:50] <shadeslayer> cheap, and the GPU is pretty powerful
[17:51] <apachelogger> who needs the gpu other than bitcoin farmers?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then clearly everyone who is buying a RasPi is a bit coin farmer
[17:52] <apachelogger> reasonable
[17:52] <apachelogger> also explains the shortness
[17:53] <shadeslayer> so ... ktp-call ui now has echo cancellation, but will land in 0.5 only
[17:53] <shadeslayer> not a very intrusive patch though ...
[17:53] <BluesKaj> sreich, think it's the raspberry pi
[17:54] <apachelogger> ECHOOOOOOO-OOOOO-OOO-OO-O
[17:54] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have 0.4 yet?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sysadmins have to upload it to ftp
[17:55] <apachelogger> poke sho then
[17:55] <apachelogger> shoooooooo-ooooo-oooo-ooo-oo-o
[17:57] <shadeslayer> done
[17:57] <shadeslayer> :>
[17:59] <apachelogger> done-one-ne-e
[18:00]  * apachelogger will not ever be able to stop now
[18:00] <apachelogger> GREAT
[18:00] <apachelogger> reat-eat-at-t
[18:12] <jussi> Meh, Ive a freescale board :D
[18:15] <shadeslayer> which reminds me, I have to flash the opengles enabled kernel on my Transformer tomorrow
[18:35] <apachelogger> so
[18:35] <apachelogger> what do I do now
[18:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: people have been asking that question for centuries
[18:52] <yofel> you... could be packaging beta2?
[18:56] <apachelogger> two thoughts come to mind: a) if you gimme access to a faster machine b) wouldn't it be more efficient to first create the tools? :P
[18:57] <apachelogger> actually first of all I need to write the blogz for uni
[19:41] <apachelogger> yofel: so...........
[19:41] <apachelogger> yofel: why does we have page for .80?
[19:41] <yofel> good point
[19:42] <yofel> fixing
[19:42]  * apachelogger declares himself out of wine
[19:46] <apachelogger> yofel: meta-kde not up yet?
[19:47] <yofel> nothing up yet
[19:47] <apachelogger> what's with the jr stuff at the bottom then
[19:47] <apachelogger> shouldn't meta go up first?
[19:47]  * apachelogger confused
[19:50] <yofel> apachelogger: I was still cleaning up
[19:50] <yofel> my old cleanup procedure doesn't quite work with the pad
[19:50] <apachelogger> yofel: don't we have template so you do not need to "clean" up? ^^
[19:52] <yofel> that still has lots of wiki formatting, I'll make a note to clean that up till rc1
[19:52] <apachelogger> W: kubuntu-dev-tools: spelling-error-in-changelog arbitary arbitrary
[19:52] <apachelogger> !
[19:53] <apachelogger> yofel: does meta-kde have a branch actually?
[19:53] <yofel> it does
[19:53] <apachelogger> good thing jr made us that kde: shortcut I requested :P
[19:53] <yofel> he did?
[19:54] <apachelogger> no
[19:54] <apachelogger> that was scarasm
[19:54] <yofel> well, that's what we have kbzr for
[19:54] <apachelogger> <- saves the day with kbzr
[19:54] <debfx> W: apachelogger: spelling-error-in-message scarasm sarcasm
[19:54] <apachelogger> nonono
[19:55] <apachelogger> you are wrong on the internet
[19:55] <yofel> lol
[19:56] <debfx> if the bzr branches are in a sane state we can just automate the whole thing
[19:56] <apachelogger> which is what I suggested but yofel does not want that :P
[19:57] <yofel> that's what kgetsource does
[19:57] <apachelogger> it does part-automation
[19:57] <yofel> well, as long as we have enought tools to do proper Q/A *after* upload, I'm fine with automating
[19:58] <apachelogger> see my page
[19:58] <debfx> we have list-missing and cmake output
[19:58] <apachelogger> yofel: conceptually it does not make any difference whether test building is done in a PPA or locally
[19:58] <apachelogger> it does not even particularly for scalability
[19:58] <apachelogger> as long as >2 people actually build
[19:58] <yofel> well, with debfx's page it indeed doesn't
[19:59] <debfx> question is how do we sanity check the branches
[19:59] <apachelogger> debfx: what do you mean?
[19:59] <CIA-19> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120610195910-iuvx8zl9bfjq4qia * debian/ (changelog libqapt1.symbols) * New upstream alpha release: - Drop cherry-picked patches from the 1.3 branch - Update libqapt1.symbols
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> (just syncing bzr with the archive, but a new release is coming)
[19:59] <debfx> e.g. we need to detect if the branch is outdated
[20:00] <apachelogger> define outdated please
[20:00] <debfx> the branch might have post-upload changes staged so we can't just overwrite with what is in the archive
[20:00] <yofel> also if the previous changelog is in a proper state. (i.e. UNRELEASED or with ~ppa)
[20:01] <debfx> someone might have forgotten to push the branch
[20:01] <debfx> or worse the branch and what's in the archive have diverged
[20:01] <apachelogger> many a great ways to do this
[20:02] <apachelogger> for example
[20:02] <apachelogger> say you build everything in the ppa all the time
[20:02] <apachelogger> then you'd be able to have one single machine do everything automatically
[20:03] <apachelogger> first it fetches all the sources, attempts an auto-bump (dch + version bump in control) -> commits & dputs 
[20:03] <apachelogger> then someone fixes problems
[20:03] <apachelogger> the machine would perhaps have a cronjob trying to up its branches
[20:03] <apachelogger> if an updated comes in-> new dput
[20:03] <CIA-19> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120610200347-h6fro612495hg6i8 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Remove patches removed w/ 1.3.65
[20:04] <apachelogger> after each build in the PPA it would munch the log from the PPA and run general purpose sanity checks (extrac cmake log, ensure list-missing is empty, ensure no file conflicts occur...)
[20:05] <apachelogger> if the newly pushed revision fails a sanity test the revision is rejected from submission
[20:05] <apachelogger> once all packages have a revision passing sanity assurance someone can dispatch an automatic upload, so the machine grabs the apporved revisions and builds the source packages and then simply chain uploads to archive
[20:06] <apachelogger> that is a centralized approach ... as I mentioned you could do just about the same thing with a more decentralized approach
[20:08] <apachelogger> yofel: upload with ~ppa1?
[20:08] <yofel> that's what the plan says
[20:08] <apachelogger> stupid plan
[20:08] <apachelogger> yofel: the plan sez I should upload -0ubuntu1~ppa1
[20:09] <apachelogger> which is wrong cuz meta-kde is a native pkg :P
[20:09] <CIA-19> [meta-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@kubuntu.org> * apachelogger@kubuntu.org-20120610200913-vbbrl40jeh09cjbd * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump for 4.8.90
[20:09] <yofel> ah fun, well, ~ppa1 it is then
[20:09] <apachelogger> question
[20:09] <apachelogger> do we not have a script for that?
[20:09] <apachelogger> append ppa version > whatever is in ppa and build source from that, then revert change in stage?
[20:10]  * apachelogger needs some booze for this
[20:27] <apachelogger> yofel: I do not know how to make entries on the eitherpad
[20:28] <yofel> just edit it?
[20:29] <yofel> and we currently have no tool that does that. That would be kgetsource job once someone adds that functionality
[20:29]  * yofel doesn't know ruby yet
[20:32] <CIA-19> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@kubuntu.org> * apachelogger@kubuntu.org-20120610203207-ectld9dv30tuk64z * (bin/kbuildppa debian/changelog) Add kbuildppa for ppa uploads, not particularly scalable yet
[20:33] <apachelogger> yofel: nah, unrelated to kgetsource
[20:33] <apachelogger> you may need to push after you fixed an issue
[20:34] <apachelogger> so you need a bump unrelated to kgetsource
[20:34] <apachelogger> though I agree, ultimately with a PPA based testbuild workflow kgetsource would then be using kbuildppa to push the autogenerated bump to the ppa ^^
[20:34] <apachelogger> FWIW kbuildppa currently does not dput btw
[20:35] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel: also please ditch in your random brain waves at http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-sonic-screwdriver
[20:35] <apachelogger> helps a great deal with working towards a solution if we have ideas written down :)
[20:36] <yofel> ETOOTIRED, but will do
[20:36] <apachelogger> yofel: can I remove the thingsies that need no update from the etherpad?
[20:36] <yofel> ?
[20:36] <yofel> ah
[20:36] <apachelogger> qt4, qtwebkit, pornon, whatnot
[20:36] <apachelogger> makes me scroll tho I do not want to scroll
[20:37] <yofel> yeah, do it
[20:37] <apachelogger> I have scrollphobia as a matter of fact
[20:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you vote already?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yus
[20:38] <apachelogger> why don't you have a button then you lazy bum? :P
[20:38] <apachelogger> kubotu: order i voted button for JontheEchidna
[20:38]  * kubotu hands JontheEchidna a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.
[20:38] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:38] <apachelogger> there we go
[20:38] <apachelogger> this year we have pandas
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> I spy a KTP release in upload.kde.org's incoming folder
[20:39] <apachelogger> someone added spooky code to kgetsource ^^
[20:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes, sho refused to pass it through, tho I forgot why
[20:40] <apachelogger> had something to do with windows I believe
[20:40] <apachelogger> and shadeslayer refuses to do work until it is in actual ftpmaster
[20:41] <shadeslayer> whut
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> maybe slip ben cooksley a fiver :P
[20:41] <apachelogger>     puts("NEED MORE ARGS YE BSTD")
[20:41] <apachelogger> ohohohoh
[20:41] <apachelogger> roflmao
[20:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Sho had 5000 windows open
[20:41] <yofel> That's © Jonathan Kolberg ^^
[20:41] <shadeslayer> I'm dealing with some shitty d pointers right now, so will talk later
[20:41] <apachelogger> ah yes, the windows 5k problem
[20:42] <apachelogger> yofel: yah, sounds like him alright
[20:42] <yofel> it does have a manpage though
[20:42] <yofel> hm
[20:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: shitty d pointers?
[20:42] <apachelogger> dude
[20:42] <apachelogger> like
[20:42] <apachelogger> the combination of shitty and d
[20:42] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:42] <apachelogger> and considering what d/q represent
[20:42] <apachelogger> oh gawd
[20:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: to say it in the words of kgetsource DIRTY ARE YE BSTD
[20:43] <shadeslayer> it's not really the d pointers fault, I just don't know why I can't connect signals to the members of the d pointer
[20:43] <apachelogger> or perhaps ARRR
[20:43]  * apachelogger is never sure on the grammar there
[20:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can
[20:43] <shadeslayer> so I'm just blaming the d pointer :P
[20:43] <apachelogger> but the class it points to needs to be a qobject
[20:43] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:43] <apachelogger> otherwise it won't have a qmetaobject, thus nothing to connect
[20:43]  * shadeslayer looks it up
[20:43] <apachelogger> BUT
[20:44] <apachelogger> often you do not want to do that but instead use a Q_PRIVATE_SLOT in the public class
[20:44] <shadeslayer> it's a Tp::CallChannelPtr for starts
[20:44] <shadeslayer> that's what I'm doign
[20:44] <apachelogger> what that macro does is add the appropriate function of the private class as a metaobject method to the public class
[20:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:45] <shadeslayer> actually
[20:45] <shadeslayer> it's in private _SLOT
[20:45] <shadeslayer> erm
[20:45] <shadeslayer> private Q_SLOTS
[20:45] <apachelogger> i.e. class Bar {QPS(foo()) }; will result in BarMetaObject { void methodcrap() { switch foo: d->foo() }}
[20:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: those are not the same things
[20:45] <apachelogger> read and think
[20:45] <shadeslayer> yeah, I understand what you're saying
[20:46] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[20:46] <apachelogger> Q_SLOTS and Q_SIGNALS is an instruction to moc that gets preprocessed to nothing
[20:46] <apachelogger> so you get private: public: etc.
[20:46] <apachelogger> so all those thingies actually ahve a c++ signature and symbol
[20:46] <apachelogger> a QPS OTOH is purely implemented in the metaobject
[20:46] <apachelogger> which has no symbol or signature to the outside
[20:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you sure QPS is properly documented somewhere?
[20:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just look at any bigger qt software
[20:47] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:47] <apachelogger> it aint officially supported IIRC
[20:47] <shadeslayer> ^^
[20:47] <apachelogger> i.e. they may break it so that you have to change the code
[20:47] <shadeslayer> I asked because that is exactly what was raised in a mailing list ... in 08
[20:47] <apachelogger> OTOH qobject adds a whopping 500k IIRC to the private object
[20:48] <shadeslayer> eeeeppp
[20:48] <apachelogger> so you really want to use QPS unless your private class is a) not created often and b) has a shitload of metacrap
[20:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also fWIW, I think they semi-advocated its use for symbian/harmattan so it is semi-supported now, no matter what they say :P
[20:49] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:49] <apachelogger> now then
[20:49] <apachelogger> meta-kde is up and I am drunk
[20:49] <apachelogger> a package a day keeps the sanity away I always say
[20:52] <shadeslayer> my inbox is full of people complaining about KDE 4.8 and 4.9
[20:52] <shadeslayer> I think I'll go sleep now
[20:58] <apachelogger> eh?
[20:58] <apachelogger> ah
[20:58] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:58] <apachelogger> not worth reading
[20:58] <apachelogger> really
[20:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hm>
[20:59] <shadeslayer> s/>/? 
[21:00] <apachelogger> perhaps u talking about something else
[21:00] <apachelogger> nvm
[21:03] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_MPCUyuqJ8&feature=related
[21:03] <apachelogger> scp: /home/ftpubuntu/4/4.8.90/src/oxygen-icons-4.8.90.tar.xz: No such file or directory
[21:03] <apachelogger> wha
[21:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://thepaperwall.com/wallpapers/movies/big/big_184f1674bdb1af680d68e71f2b1fa1bb8ad641c9.jpg
[21:07] <apachelogger> my sftp is broken
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 0.4 KTP tarballs are up
[21:15] <apachelogger> I cannot access the ftpmaster
[21:15] <apachelogger> so don't tell me, package it :P
[21:15] <shadeslayer> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-telepathy/0.4.0/src/
[21:15] <shadeslayer> use a browser/konqueror :P
[21:16] <apachelogger> ah yes
[21:16] <apachelogger> it werkz with sftp but not kio
[21:16] <apachelogger> the KIO is kaput
[21:16] <apachelogger> halp!
[21:16] <apachelogger> ah yes
[21:16] <apachelogger> scp: /home/ftpubuntu/4/4.8.90/src/oxygen-icons-4.8.90.tar.xz: No such file or directory
[21:17] <apachelogger> funny how I read series as epoch
[21:17] <apachelogger> actually we could autodetect that
[21:17] <apachelogger> last version component >= 50 == unstable
[21:21] <yofel> kubotu: order i voted button
[21:21]  * kubotu hands yofel a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.
[21:21] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[21:22] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:22] <debfx> apachelogger: what do you think of this undocumented and hacky script: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/kubuntu-initial-upload
[21:22] <apachelogger> dunno, rekonq loads to slow
[21:22] <apachelogger> too
[21:22] <apachelogger> and then it tells me the certificate is crap
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: incoming qapt/muon release in ~4 hours, will fix your issues in quantal
[21:23] <apachelogger> debfx: much niceness
[21:23] <apachelogger> without going too deep into the functions
[21:23] <apachelogger> debfx: I do however believe that many scripts > one script
[21:24] <debfx> there are some other scripts in the branch :P
[21:24] <apachelogger> ah
[21:24] <apachelogger> debfx: please link it in the screwdriver page
[21:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and what about precise? :(
[21:25]  * apachelogger points out that on this here quantal netbook he does notuse a dark theme but on his precise laptop :P
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> precise doesn't build against gcc-4.7, so it should be fine
[21:26] <apachelogger> ah
[21:26] <apachelogger> I thought you meant the color issue
[21:26] <apachelogger> gcc fix is also goody
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> oh, when you said "fix muon in quantal please" I thought you were talking about the issue that makes it totally unusable :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I was talking about colors, but yah, gcc fix seems somewhat important too :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> oxygen-xygen-ygen-gen-en-n
[21:28] <apachelogger> is le fat
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> all those svgz's
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> should store them uncompressed
[21:28] <BluesKaj> quantal just segfaulted after the login , Kwin is broken as is the debugger and the crash repoter
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> and let the zipping utility do compression over the whole thing
[21:29] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: it happens
[21:29] <debfx> we need svgxz files!
[21:29] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:29] <BluesKaj> tried to get their attn at ubuntu+1 ,but nobody answers
[21:30] <apachelogger> what are we supposed to do then?
[21:30] <apachelogger> AFAIK we didn't upload a new kdelibs so we should not have broken it
[21:30] <BluesKaj> use your influence ")
[21:30] <apachelogger> I do not even know what is wrong
[21:31] <BluesKaj> yeah apachelogger it's difficult to file a crash report when those apps won't work either 
[21:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: debfx: yofel: pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.12) <--- do I need to bump that?
[21:32] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: gdb
[21:32] <debfx> no, just the kde-sc-dev-latest
[21:32] <apachelogger> ah
[21:32] <apachelogger> debfx: why that should be done by kgetsource, no?
[21:32]  * apachelogger would find that sensible anyway
[21:32] <yofel> it is done by kgetsource
[21:32] <debfx> kubuntu-initial-upload does that already :P
[21:32] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: in fact, if they crash right away you likey have a symbol crash which might show up on terminal just like that
[21:32] <apachelogger> yofel: ah
[21:32] <apachelogger> oh right, oxygen has no dev-latest
[21:33] <apachelogger> yofel: is that the spooky code I saw?
[21:33] <apachelogger> cause I did not understand the spooky code ^^
[21:33] <yofel> yeah, that one ^^
[21:33] <apachelogger> had a function in a function
[21:33] <apachelogger> that always trips me
[21:33] <BluesKaj> ok apachelogger I'll check the error in the tty ...bbiab
[21:33] <yofel> IMO python looks scarier once you start using lamda...
[21:34] <yofel> *lambda
[21:34] <CIA-19> [oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@kubuntu.org> * apachelogger@kubuntu.org-20120610213415-e4u75bvtpw49c9zg * debian/changelog New upstream release
[21:34] <apachelogger> actual lamda is fine, it gives you a natural constraint on what you pack in there
[21:34] <apachelogger> well, if you have any sense of beauty that is
[21:34] <apachelogger> but functions inside functions are just wrong :P
[21:35] <apachelogger> total matter of opinion tho
[21:35]  * debfx <3 lambda
[21:35] <debfx> kdesc.sort(key=lambda package: package.find("lib") != -1 and "_" + package or package)
[21:35] <apachelogger> oh
[21:35] <apachelogger> ah
[21:36] <apachelogger> ok
[21:36] <apachelogger> that is hardly readable :P
[21:36] <apachelogger> python--
[21:36] <apachelogger> :P
[21:36] <apachelogger> if anyone feels like scripting ... kbuildppa needs either porting to pyth0rn or a new script to get latest version of a given package in a ppa 
[21:36] <apachelogger> latter is preferred as that surely can be useful for other things than relase packaging
[21:37] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel, JontheEchidna: so, I think we should have a kubuntu-dev meeting next week or so
[21:38] <apachelogger> to figure out how we want to do this
[21:38] <apachelogger> so we can get possible server resources organized somehow and start writing the magic
[21:38] <yofel> uh, first we'll have our regular meeting, schedule one after that
[21:38] <apachelogger> dunnno if peoplez have the time
[21:38] <apachelogger> also 2 meetings after each other is quite meh
[21:39] <apachelogger> particularly if one needs to do loads of thinking in both
[21:39]  * yofel meant schedule as in send doodle thingy
[21:39] <apachelogger> ah yes
[21:39] <apachelogger> not now tho, too drunk, also I sent like 15 mails today already ^^
[21:42] <apachelogger> bug 1011310
[21:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:43]  * apachelogger kicks ubottu in the jewls
[21:43] <apachelogger> bug 1011310
[21:43]  * apachelogger sighs
[21:43] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/1011310
[21:43] <apachelogger> yofel, debfx: ^
[21:44] <apachelogger> also someone please find out who's rotten bot triaged that thing as a duplicate
[21:45] <yofel> which release is that ?!? Dependencies: kdegames-card-data 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu1
[21:45] <apachelogger> how would I know
[21:46] <apachelogger> I just unbroke the duplication
[21:46] <yofel> and why is that log about ffmpeg O.O
[21:46] <yofel> ah
[21:46] <yofel> DuplicateSignature
[21:46] <apachelogger> I really don't compute that bug at all
[21:46] <apachelogger> someone do something to it
[21:46] <apachelogger> just would like it to be cleared up as not being our fault but indeed ffmpeg
[21:46] <yofel> looks like an quantal upgrade
[21:47] <debfx> kdegames-card-data-extra 4:4.8.80-0ubuntu1 contains svg-oxygen-air but shouldn't
[21:47] <debfx> i.e. it's in both kdegames-card-data and kdegames-card-data-extra
[21:47] <yofel> debfx seems like
[21:47] <apachelogger> pff
[21:47] <apachelogger> good thing I noticed the duplication then :P
[21:47] <yofel> but apport still made quite a mess out of that report o.O
[21:48] <apachelogger> everyone running their bug bots over the bugs
[21:48] <apachelogger> I think siretart too, as he does not appear to be around right now
[21:49] <yofel> that one's usually useful, but needs a parsing fix here
[21:50]  * apachelogger is generally feeling uncomfortable with computers trying to solve non deterministic problems such as bug triage :P
[21:50] <debfx> it's not the bot's fault, look at the DuplicateSignature
[21:50] <yofel> actually, it's a dup of bug 1011275
[21:50] <debfx> that user got both overwrite conflicts in one upgrade
[21:51] <apachelogger> debfx: what I said :P
[21:52] <apachelogger> oxygen going up
[21:52] <apachelogger> also FTR: building oxygen source on a netbook is no fun
[21:53] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, error is : exception during pm.DoInstall:package error, left unconfigured, kubuntu netbook:amd64  ...this isn't a netbook, it's desktop. I don't eben need that configuration :P
[21:53] <BluesKaj> err even , even 
[21:53] <apachelogger> your dpkg is fried
[21:53] <apachelogger> or is that apt
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what say you?
[21:54] <apachelogger> DoInstall sounds somewhat apty
[21:54] <BluesKaj> reinstall apt?
[21:54] <BluesKaj> or apt-get
[21:54] <apachelogger> dunno
[21:54] <apachelogger> what's the exception? :P
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> either apty or dpkg-y
[21:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: y thank you captain obvious :P
[21:56] <apachelogger>  Unable to find oxygen-icons_4.8.90.orig.tar.xz in upload or distribution.
[21:56] <apachelogger> AAAAH
[21:57] <apachelogger> fuckin ell
[21:57] <BluesKaj> guess I could get the image and install it on /
[22:00]  * apachelogger rebuilds source again -.-
[22:15]  * JontheEchidna afk for an hour
[22:16] <CIA-19> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@kubuntu.org> * apachelogger@kubuntu.org-20120610221555-uu4sltxls8sro1io * bin/kbuildppa on ppa1 build with -sa as we likely need the source