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[18:42] <hads> Morning
[19:09] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:33] <ajmitch> morning
[20:36] <snail> morning
[20:48] <mwhudson> morning
[20:50] <thomi> morning
[20:50] <thomi> The symetry in this channel pleases me.
[20:50] <thomi> Doh!
[20:51] <mwhudson> we need #ubuntu-nz-chat
[20:52] <ajmitch> since this one is just too noisy
[20:54] <mwhudson> so this one can stay pure
[20:57] <thomi> heh
[21:00] <chilts> morning
[21:20] <lifeless> mwhudson: is that like old style London pure?
[21:20] <mwhudson> lifeless: i don't know
[21:20] <mwhudson> lifeless: which means probably not?
[21:24] <lifeless> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Labour_and_the_London_Poor
[21:24] <lifeless> see under 'pure finding'
[21:27] <ajmitch> lovely
[21:28] <lifeless> ajmitch: what one learns doing history in high school :)
[21:30] <ajmitch> it brings new meaning to '100% pure New Zealand'
[21:39] <mwhudson> ah heh
[21:57] <thumper> morning
[21:58] <kcj> Morning.
[22:03] <ojwb> morning
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[23:42]  * ojwb sighs at lucid failing to upgrade to precise
[23:44] <ajmitch> file a bug if there's not one
[23:46] <ajmitch> LTS-LTS upgrades are meant to be enabled in update-manager when 12.04.1 is out, there are still people fixing stuff in precise :)
[23:46] <ojwb> they've all been fine so far, until I tried one on a machine someone had the desktop stuff installed on
[23:47] <ajmitch> only packages from main, or some from universe as well?
[23:47]  * ojwb is unconvinced that we should be running ubuntu in this case TBH - we get a 2 year LTS cycle, compared to debian's ~2 year stable release cycle
[23:47] <ojwb> universe of course - it's pretty much impossible to actually run a machine without
[23:48] <ojwb> though I don't know how much universe stuff is involved
[23:48] <ojwb> does that mean nobody will care?
[23:48] <ajmitch> I wouldn't say nobody
[23:48] <ajmitch> just that it's less likely to get fixed unless someone knows about the bug & cares enough
[23:49] <ojwb> well, I'm ok to file a bug, but if it'll just be another ignored bug on launchpad, I have better things to do
[23:50]  * ojwb wonders what to file it against
[23:50] <ajmitch> that's the hard part
[23:56] <lifeless> ajmitch: I'm not sure its true to say less likely to be fixed
[23:57] <lifeless> ajmitch: ratio wise, fixes in universe *per package* may be higher than in main *overall* :)
[23:57] <lifeless> ajmitch: !cite, of course
[23:59] <ojwb> gave up i'm afraid
[23:59] <ajmitch> in terms of SRUs, I suspect that there are more done for main, especially as there's a dedicated team for 12.04.1 maintenance