[07:16] <knome> pleia2, hmm, i thought you don't sleep
[07:23] <knome> ugh - smooth scroll enabled in newest firefox - disabling
[10:12] <astraljava> knome: She doesn't, she just occasionally hibernates.
[10:13] <knome> mmh
[10:13] <knome> astraljava, any plans for thursday?
[10:14] <astraljava> Nothing yet, but I'm not sure on which day I'll take the foreign guest out for dinner.
[10:16] <knome> k
[10:16] <knome> follow-up on me when you do know
[10:16] <astraljava> Sure, what did you have in mind?
[10:16] <knome> we're planning to play NHL on PS3
[10:16] <astraljava> Hahah!
[10:17] <knome> we're at 4 people right now. :)
[10:17] <knome> (and we have 5 controllers)
[10:17]  * astraljava looks at the channel name and thinks whether this is a proper one for this :D
[10:17] <knome> it is!
[10:17] <knome> ;)
[10:17] <knome> very much the proper channel O:)
[10:18] <astraljava> But anyway, I'll let you know. :) Now, then. How do I find info on a nickserv account? I'd want to see when a user has last logged in.
[10:18] <knome> no idea
[10:18] <benonsoftware> astraljava: /msg NickServ info nickname
[10:19] <astraljava> Danke!
[10:19] <benonsoftware> ;)
[10:33]  * astraljava is slightly amused by a user complaining about an operating system, while boasting about having written critical software for a stock market company, and failing to properly comment a block in his .sig file...
[10:44] <knome> heh
[10:46] <knome> -users ML has become a circus
[10:46] <knome> brb
[10:46] <knome> or, sometime
[10:46] <knome> let's see
[16:36] <pleia2> pfft, I love sleep
[16:37] <pleia2> also, doing the Xubuntu section of the flavors class for User Days on the 24th and an "Everything you wanted to know about Xubuntu" talk for a LUG next month
[16:38]  * pleia2 also told them she'd show off 4.10 at the LUG
[17:23] <astraljava> Hah, /me read that as 'sod off'.
[17:55] <knome> pleia2, if you need help doing that kind of stuff, ask for help :)
[17:56] <pleia2> I think I will for the "everything you wanted to know" one, I'll give some nudges when I flesh out my notes more :)
[17:56] <knome> good
[17:57] <knome> you have a minute, or you busy?
[17:57] <pleia2> I have time now
[17:57] <knome> good, i'll PM again :)
[17:57] <pleia2> (running out to a LUG meeting in 15 minutes or so)
[17:57] <pleia2> k
[18:25] <ochosi> hi everyone
[18:26] <knome> hey ochosi 
[18:26] <ochosi> i've been continuing to work on the breadcrumbs btw
[18:26] <knome> :)
[18:26] <ochosi> i made the active and hovered state also look like an arrow
[18:26] <ochosi> it's a tad more consistent
[18:27] <ochosi> otherwise hovering changes the button-size
[18:27] <knome> i've been continuing to work on different breads, they've been more and less yummy
[18:27] <ochosi> which can be unexpected
[18:27] <ochosi> hmm, nice
[18:27] <knome> ;)=
[18:40] <knome> ochosi, so, anything else new?
[18:40] <ochosi> i'm also working actively on the panel
[18:40] <knome> good!
[18:40] <ochosi> but i'm not sure which way to go with it
[18:40] <ochosi> haven't found a style/direction i'm really satisfied with
[18:41] <ochosi> actually the lack of padding between the window-buttons concerns me
[18:41] <knome> mmhmm?
[18:41] <ochosi> well atm it looks like a chain of strings separated by icons
[18:41] <ochosi> that is less than ideal
[18:41] <knome> heh
[18:42] <knome> i suppose so yeah...
[18:43] <ochosi> one more thing i'd like to fix is the behavior with semi-transparent panels
[18:43] <knome> what's with that?
[18:44] <ochosi> i want a selected-state of buttons that works with all kinds of semi-transparent backgrounds ideally
[18:44] <knome> i'm not sure i follow
[18:44] <ochosi> i'm also considering to move away from the flat-button look a bit
[18:44] <ochosi> well if you have a semi-transparent, dark panel and a blue background, then a dark-blue selected state won't be very visible
[18:44] <knome> moved to flat buttons in gtk but wanting to go away from flat buttons in panel? hmm..
[18:45] <ochosi> well, "flat" buttons
[18:45] <ochosi> they're not really flat, just shadow-less
[18:45] <knome> ;)
[18:45] <ochosi> i could imagine a similar style for the panel-buttons
[18:45] <knome> hmm. i'm not sure if i'd like that
[18:45] <knome> maybe on selected, but not inactive
[18:45] <ochosi> inactive windows will most likely stay flat
[18:46] <knome> good
[18:46] <ochosi> in fact that's a property setting of the panel
[18:46] <knome> :)
[19:02] <ochosi> are you still opposed to semi-transparent panels?
[19:02] <knome> i won't use them myself, but if they are default.. well maybe.
[19:02] <knome> we'd have to have a good disussion about this on the meeting
[19:03] <knome> i mean, is it ok to enable compositor by default anyway
[19:03] <knome> (both yes/no worksforme, but i'd like to know what others think)
[19:03] <ochosi> there haven't really been any complaints about it
[19:03] <ochosi> so i'm not sure it's a problem
[19:04] <ochosi> the setting for that is rather hidden though
[19:04] <knome> no, but otoh, many users want to disable it
[19:04] <ochosi> which could be both an argument for enabling or disabling it
[19:04] <knome> yes, otoh it's easy to do toggle, but yes, it's quite hidden
[19:04] <ochosi> good docs would fix that though
[19:04] <knome> good docs or a slide at the installation slideshow
[19:05] <ochosi> mhm
[19:05] <knome> i think we might want to review the slideshow this cycle for real
[19:05] <ochosi> hehe
[19:05] <knome> really add some new stuff, maybe tweak the style just a notch
[19:06] <knome> but that comes with the new docs
[19:06] <ochosi> yeah, different information might be good
[19:06] <ochosi> not just default apps
[19:06] <knome> i've added a work item to the blueprint
[19:07] <ochosi> k
[19:33] <mr_pouit> micahg: hey, any idea whether gegl works without libavcodec? (I think ffmpeg libs are banned from ubuntu isos, and libgegl depends on libavcodec53, I guess that's what has been breaking our dailies for some time)
[19:33] <mr_pouit> otherwise we'll kick gimp from the default install
[19:34] <micahg> mr_pouit: we were talking about removing it so we could demote libav and solve the libav/libav-extra split
[19:39] <micahg> mr_pouit: also, I think it was just banned from pressed media, not ISOs in general
[21:08] <ochosi> knome: starting to explore some palettes on colourlovers.com btw
[21:10] <ochosi> there are really nice palettes there
[21:11] <knome> ochosi, aha, good luck :)
[21:11] <ochosi> have you used that page/portal before?
[21:11] <knome> well yeah, it's easy to create a good looking palette, much harder to create a working palette
[21:11] <ochosi> sure
[21:11] <knome> i've used at least something similar, but never used any of the palettes
[21:11] <ochosi> this one looks a bit like greybird: http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/2222351/Feeling_Blue
[21:11] <ochosi> it could be useful for re-coloring the menus etc
[21:12] <knome> maybe
[21:13] <knome> bbl, maybe tomorrow
[21:14] <knome> hf/nighty
[21:14] <ochosi> alright
[21:14] <ochosi> seeya