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[02:19] [qapt] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120611021925-82lo1t4y6aemsza1 * debian/ (changelog copyright libqapt1.symbols) * New upstream beta release: - Update libqapt1.symbols * Fix duplicate Copyright: field, lines 8, 32 of debian/copyright === sreich is now known as still === still is now known as sreich [06:13] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 155 * debian/ (changelog control) Add build-dep on kdoctools to fix manpage generation [06:30] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 156 * pylib/KubuntuDevTools/launchpad.py add missing license header [08:45] morning all [08:46] hello :) [08:56] test 4.8.80, copy 4.8.80 from staging to backports, tidy it up in quatzal, move onto 4.8.90 [09:10] Riddell: I'm looking at kde-base-artwork and I'm not sure it's got source in the preferred form of modification. It's just pngs at various resolutions. Is that adequate or should there be some sort of scalable something as well? [09:11] debfx: ^^^ [09:17] ScottK: if there is a scalable image, upstream hasn't released it [09:17] the same wallpaper is in kde-wallpapers [09:18] Hmmm. [09:18] ScottK: that's pretty common, icons and artwork often has PNGs when it's originally in SVGs. the blurry line is that the PNG becomes the preferred form of modification e.g. it's often touched up after exporting to PNG [09:19] OK. [09:19] so archive admin policy will let them through [09:19] Thanks. [09:19] I'll keep reviewing then. [09:24] debfx: Source is accepted. [09:24] thanks [09:24] No problem. [09:27] Riddell: I don't see a COPYING file for audiocd-kio (you're the uploader). [09:28] I need to reject that one. [09:29] ScottK: it's in upstream now [09:29] Great. Just add it in and reupload and we'll be set. [09:29] some other kdemultimedia ones will be similar, fixed upstream [09:31] It does need to have the full license in the package to be distributable though, so they'll need to be fixed. [09:42] debfx: binary accepted on kde-base-artwork too. [09:50] kubotu: order i voted button [09:50] * kubotu hands valorie a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it. [09:50] Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati [09:50] and .... bed [10:11] kubotu: order i voted button [10:11] * kubotu hands jussi a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it. [10:11] Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati [10:35] copying packages between PPAs in launchpad is painful [10:48] Riddell: we are already doing .90 as we decide to skip .80 [10:48] * apachelogger himself is failing to upload oxygen-icons \\o/ [10:49] apachelogger: when is the .90 release expected? [10:50] no clue, <1week [10:50] that is tarballs are up since saturday or friday actually [10:51] jtechidna: seems to me qapt doesn't wanna build for some serieses :P [10:51] wednesday === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [11:02] I cannot log into mailman administration using rekonq [11:03] apachelogger: err really? [11:04] which mailman? [11:04] kdemm [11:04] doesn't do anything when I click the submit button for password [11:05] probably a general breakage in html POST forms at a guess [11:05] of the nasty sort that's hard to diagnose (webkit fault? kio fault? rekonq fault?) [11:15] maybe, but wouldn't that affect more sites? [11:15] first time I notice it [11:16] meh, still 160 mib to go for oxygen -.- [11:17] apachelogger: Yeah but it's a great album, jean michel Jarre rocks [11:19] hey all [11:22] apachelogger: yes it's not a general problem, only occurs if you annoy the god of html forms [11:22] meh [11:22] now also new tabs opened from links don't work [11:22] oh right [11:23] I had it run all the night [11:23] probably broken again [11:23] also 50 euros say it will crash when I close it [11:23] Executable: rekonq PID: 20207 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) [11:30] well, I reinstalled 12.10 from the disk image , and after updating and upgrading , the login still segfaults , but before that the krunner wouldn't launch and neither did the jockey installer [11:32] perhaps now you could do what I told you yesterday [11:34] apachelogger, is that directed at me , if so , what did you tell me to do yesterday ? [11:34] find out what the error is [11:34] Riddell: btw http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-sonic-screwdriver [11:35] Riddell: if you have time you could doodle a -dev meeting soonish [11:35] otherwise I'll do that when I get home to proper internet bandwith [11:36] apachelogger, if i knew i would have mentioned it [11:36] apachelogger: ooh [11:36] apachelogger: a -dev meeting for what? [11:37] Riddell: discussing tooling efforts [11:37] for example the general question of whether release packaging should be done centralized (PPA based test builds) or decentralized (local test builds with central information aggregation) [11:40] apachelogger: I'll stick it on my todo list [11:45] apachelogger: automation is certainly the way to go, I still think cloud is the best way to do it, but it's a surprisingly complex job [11:45] I looked at juju briefly but it's also complex in itself [11:48] no clue what juju is [11:49] building the actual automation software is mostly simple (unless one wants to build an entire build farm ...) [11:49] apachelogger: tool for controlling cloud instances, so you can run juju to set up say an owncloud instance and it'll all work [11:50] ah [11:50] how does that help build automation? :) [11:52] 23/49 votes so far [11:52] you could have a juju charm to build a package which would install the pre-depends and put the result somewhere it's easy to review it, then you could build 20 things at once if needed [11:55] apachelogger: it would need a juju charm for automation [11:58] Riddell: there surely is one for 'gimme bare ubuntu'? [11:58] apachelogger: that's just launching an ec2 instance [11:58] yah, then you just need like 3 shell commands [11:59] couldn't be too complicated to add that somewhere [11:59] the kubuntu-dev-server script I put into kubuntu-dev-tools adds some more features to make it ready for development [11:59] * apachelogger of course still doesn't know the next thing about how that stuff works [12:01] oxygen finishing soonish \o/ [12:02] hm [12:02] https://launchpad.net/~plasma-netbook-nightly [12:02] apparently that is a bot user of mine associated with @kubuntu.org [12:02] fun [12:02] Riddell: did you push that script? [12:02] apachelogger: which? [12:03] ah [12:03] ec2 [12:03] Riddell: nvm [12:04] Riddell: isn't that just about what we'd needed for pbuilding? [12:04] apachelogger: yes [12:05] ssh some additional commands into the instance to setup pbuilder and get the scripts, then run the scripts to do the entire build [12:05] apachelogger: it doesn't need pbuilder, it's a new install anyway [12:06] yes, but without pbuilder we need to craft all the stuff we have pbuilder do [12:06] apachelogger: what's that? [12:06] dep resolving, list-missing hoooking etc. [12:06] in the long run that could be shifted though [12:06] /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfy-depends is still there [12:07] (e.g. list-missing really belongs in pkg-kde) [12:07] Riddell: yah, needs investigation, I am just saying, the least effort approach would be to handle any instance as if it were a local build [12:10] I still don't get what's wrong with building the packages in the PPA [12:11] you can still analyze the built packages from somewhere else [12:11] debfx: it's slow, and it doesn't allow you to login and investigate problems [12:12] well if something breaks just build it locally [12:12] that takes time to set up [12:13] Uploading oxygen-icons_4.8.90.orig.tar.xz: 268459k/268460k [12:13] FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU [12:13] someone please upload oxygen-icons [12:13] my intartubes fails me [12:14] apachelogger: where from/to? [12:14] bzr to ppa [12:14] apachelogger: to ninjas? [12:14] aye [12:18] apachelogger: now if you'd used ec2 that would have been easy! [12:24] Riddell: yes, I don't know how to do that though :P [12:27] apachelogger: which series? [12:27] oneiric I believe [12:27] just saw something pop up in my inbox, didn't look at it in detail [12:28] who's trying to build it for that? [12:28] you? [12:28] no :s [12:28] ah no [12:29] jtechidna: why does it not build on oneiric tho? [12:29] the packaging probably needs backporting, I guess [12:29] hard to say without some buildlogs [12:29] ah, good point [12:33] ah, this maybe? https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+archive/cyber-stuff/+build/3564985 [12:33] looks like a stale recipe to me [12:33] brb, coffee [12:34] so it seems [12:36] Aleix has done a good job of keeping the source oneiric compatible, so that should be the only issue [12:41] we'll see [12:42] this is pretty cool: http://woboq.com/blog/cpp11-in-qt5.html [12:48] debfx: how's 4.8.4? [12:49] blocked by https://bugs.kde.org/301453 [12:49] KDE bug 301453 in general "nepomuk regression just after 4.8.3." [Critical,New: ] [12:49] debfx: oh nasty [12:49] see also "KDE SC 4.8.4 important problems" on kde-core-devel === smarter__ is now known as smarter [13:37] I'll do some automated 4.8.90 uploads, let's see how that goes [13:38] debfx: just throw them into the PPA? [13:38] yes and update the bzr branch [13:39] debfx: do the logs include the --list-missing needed to verify them? [13:39] and will you/someone actually look over the logs for build-dependencies etc? [13:39] yep [13:40] for build-dependencies? [13:43] debfx: to check the cmake output that all the necessary build dependencies are satisfied [13:44] Riddell: another script generates reports like this: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/sru/ (this one is for 4.8.4) [13:45] mm that's a nice script [13:45] there is a lot of orange because I don't have a list of missing optional deps that should be ignored [13:46] nobody does, it needs to be made manually along with the format to make that machine readable [13:53] Riddell: is someone implementing a more machine-parsable cmake output? [13:53] debfx: nope [15:00] Riddell: I get an error when installing the beta version: [15:01] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-runners-addons_4%3a4.8.80-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa2_amd64.deb (--unpack): [15:01] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/actions/youtube.png', which is also in package kamoso 2.0.2-1build2 [15:07] hum [15:08] Mamarok: well dpkg --install --force-overwrite the .deb [15:08] yay for applications shipping generic icons [15:09] Mamarok: added to notes for fixing in beta 2 === larva_ is now known as larva [15:23] debfx: should I be packaging stuff in 4.8.90 or will I just get in your way? [15:28] Riddell: I think it's easier if I just upload everything [15:28] I'm just waiting for kde4libs to be published in the ppa [15:29] get used to waiting, as I say launchpad isn't known for being quick === fenris is now known as Guest99220 === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [15:33] yeah private PPAs are a bit annoying === Guest99220 is now known as ejat [16:12] ::workspace-bugs:: [1011683] Nepomuk File Indexer, Service unable to start. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011683 (by John C) [16:12] Launchpad bug 1011683 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nepomuk File Indexer, Service unable to start." [Undecided,New] [16:42] home sweet home [16:42] raining doggycats [16:43] debfx, Riddell: re machin readable cmake [16:43] IMPOSSIBLE [16:44] yesterday I noticed that dear rekonq upstream does not even want to use the kde provided macros for dep tracking [16:46] Riddell: what does one need to launch an ec2 instance? [16:46] well it already prints the dependencies it couldn't find so I'm just parsing that [16:47] debfx: yah, except it would have to reliably print missing deps, which is unimplementable in a reliable way [16:47] now if only launchpad didn't throw internal server errors at me [16:47] apachelogger: either an account or asking me or my secret keys [16:47] I'm pretty reluctant get give over secret keys until I get the blue systems payment sorted [16:47] ^^ === fenris is now known as Guest94326 [16:48] apachelogger: why isn't that reliable? === Guest94326 is now known as ejat [16:48] debfx: cause upstream devs like to not use what is given to them [16:48] see rekonq [16:48] well rekonq in not part of the KDE SC so I don't care about that [16:48] also upstream devs forget to add stuff properly to the summary at large [16:49] debfx: the point is that humans form a source of error there [16:49] which renders the parsing largely moot as it would not be reliable [16:49] if it's not in the cmake output at all a human reviewing the package wouldn't discover it so we don't loose anything [16:50] Processing FailedProcessing Failed [16:50] I <3 you too launchpad! [16:50] debfx: nah [16:50] debfx: the summary is opt-in [16:51] it is a macro of kdelibs [16:51] you can still do cmake dep checking and give output [16:51] but won't be serialized in a parsable format [16:52] you mean it prints "Could NOT find XYZ" but doesn't mention it in the summary? [16:52] for example [16:52] you can also catch that almost entirely and print your own fancy error message [16:52] or warning, error would be fatal anyway [16:54] oh, I actually wanted to do the phonon stuffs [16:54] * apachelogger scuttles away [17:12] hi === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:13] hey soee [17:14] apachelogger: any problems with 4.9 packages ? [17:15] maybe i should ask yofel :) [17:17] work in progress, mostly uploaded to quantal I believe and there are some untested packages for precise that I'm not sure you want to use [17:21] ;] [17:27] hey guys... looks like libkdeinit4_nepomukserver.so is missing from kdepim-runtime 4.8.80 [17:28] debfx: yofel: also keep an eye on bug 1011683 [17:28] Launchpad bug 1011683 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nepomuk File Indexer, Service unable to start." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1011683 [17:28] * apachelogger would not have uploaded .80 TBH [17:29] probably should have been in beta rather than backports ppa [17:29] ohohoh [17:29] it's in backports [17:29] ohoohoohoh [17:30] o.O [17:30] Riddell: can you do the moving? I am knee deep in phonon/solid code [17:30] i noticed that akonadi-google is now also not working. authentication fails. [17:30] i.e., authentication to google. [17:39] JontheEchidna: can you please make a qapt commit? :P [17:39] SteveRiley: fixing (libkdeinit4_nepomukserver.so) [17:39] kewl. [17:40] apachelogger: I don't have my signing keys w/ me at work [17:42] yofel: thanky [17:42] jtechidna: one must always carry a triple encrypted usb stick with keys around :P [17:42] :P [17:43] I'll probably be home in ~3 hours [17:45] not important, just don't want to fix the recipe version so that one can retrigger uploads :P [17:46] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/nepomuk-core] Philip Muškovac * 6 * debian/ (changelog nepomuk-core.install) add missing libkdeinit4_nepomukserver.so to nepomuk-core.install [17:47] stupid dh_movelibkdeinit [17:49] Riddell: are you moving packages to beta? [18:05] yofel: not currently [18:05] but can do at some point [18:06] I'll do it and remove them from backports [18:15] done [18:16] ::workspace-bugs:: [1011683] Nepomuk File Indexer, Service unable to start. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011683 (by John C) [18:16] Launchpad bug 1011683 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nepomuk File Indexer, Service unable to start." [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:17] ::qt-bugs:: [1005677] Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widg... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1005677 (by Doug McMahon) [18:17] Launchpad bug 1005677 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)'"" [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:21] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/nepomuk-core] Philip Muškovac * 7 * debian/changelog add bug number [18:31] thanks yofel [18:45] hi SteveRiley! [18:46] claydoh: hi claydoh! [18:56] anyone working on ktp packages? [18:57] shadeslayer: you [18:57] righ [18:57] t [18:57] just wanted to make sure [19:15] i would like to help with this packages but i have no idea how "it works" :) [19:19] ::workspace-bugs:: [976397] in Kubuntu 12.04, plasma-desktop does not start in the KDE session @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/976397 (by Oded Arbel) [19:19] Launchpad bug 976397 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "in Kubuntu 12.04, plasma-desktop does not start in the KDE session" [Undecided,Confirmed] [19:38] soee: what's the problem? [19:39] shadeslayer, with? [19:39] i would like to help with this packages but i have no idea how "it works" :) [19:40] shadeslayer, well i don't know how you working, what are you doing with this packages etc ;) [19:40] so ... you want to learn packaging? [19:43] id like to start with it in free time.. yes :) [19:44] hey y'all ... I emailed Riddell just now, and also thought i'd mention here. i'd like to apply for kubuntu membership. i added myself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings and believe that i followed all the necessary steps :) [19:47] soee: I'm packaging kde telepathy right now, will be uploading ktp-common-internals in a bit, do you want to work on the rest of the packages with me? [19:48] yofel: do you know which beta 1 packages we didn't upload and why? do they ftbfs? [19:49] e.g. perlqt and perlkde [19:51] ftbfs due to the soprano snafu [19:51] iirc smoke itself doesn't build [19:52] ^ [19:52] pykde doesn't build either [19:52] One might say.... It made GCC an offer it couldn't refuse :D [19:52] http://mirrors.rit.edu/instantCSI/ [19:54] and that hasn't changed? [19:57] haven't seen any fixes in the repositories [19:57] shadeslayer, sorry was bussy a bit, how the packaging works ? [19:57] hm, anongit.kde.org down? [19:58] soee: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ [19:58] should teach you the basics [19:58] yeah, down [19:58] primarily, download the kdetoys package and poke around in debian/ [19:58] uh [19:58] yofel: looks fine [19:59] 64 bytes from node4.mneisen.org (176.9.40.244): icmp_req=3 ttl=52 time=164 ms [19:59] fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer [19:59] see backlog in #kde-sysadmin [19:59] oh [20:00] hi SteveRiley [20:00] hi Riddell [20:00] yofel: uh .. don't notice anything [20:00] hm, I can't pull or clone [20:01] SteveRiley: ooh a kubuntu forums guy, you lot so rarely come into irc [20:01] maybe different server for your region [20:01] SteveRiley: which is probably like us going into forums [20:01] yofel: you could just use anongit1.kde.org [20:01] or 2,3 whatever works [20:01] Riddell: yes, yes. irc is, uhm, a developing habit :) [20:01] k, that one works, thx [20:01] :) [20:01] SteveRiley: who's the guy who uses the handle "opensource" [20:01] ? [20:02] Riddell: i think we should all cross-polinate more :) [20:02] Riddell: opensource = zach, the guy who owns the forum. [20:03] SteveRiley: your membership has no testimonials, are you able to ask zach or claydoh or others to put a good work for you on your wiki page so we know you exist? [20:04] Riddell: wokie dokie. that was the one thing i was unsure of: how to get testimonials === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Council Election - Vote Now! | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.90): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting: Thu 14th 16:00UTC https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [20:06] bluray-ray-ay-y [20:06] shadeslayer: my features > ktp features :P [20:06] wat [20:07] your features are drinking [20:07] altho there are compelling use cases for video chat [20:07] "chat" [20:07] how is that better than echo cancellation :P [20:07] or VoIP for that matter [20:07] there is none, didn't you see me echo :P [20:07] shadeslayer: bluray == prn [20:07] and that is > * [20:08] and here I thought blueray was a format of sorts [20:08] silly me [20:08] http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=phonon.git&a=commit&h=16b38e648045fb360d39ef1da6687a620e1719f9 [20:08] debfx: ah, soprano 2.7.57 makes the bindings build again, they added a stub for tcplcient [20:08] shadeslayer: u mad [20:08] *tcpclient [20:08] heh [20:09] also libsolid can't read UDF2.5, i.e. it can't detect bluray video without mounting [20:09] <- very sad panda [20:10] complain to afiestas? [20:10] or was it apol who works on libsolid [20:10] * shadeslayer doesn't remember [20:12] already wip [20:12] unfrotunately not easy to resolve that issues [20:12] right now only the kernel is able to read udf2.5 properly [20:12] even gnu's libudf falls over [20:12] Riddell: okie, i've just emailed the other KFN admins, asking them to say something nice about me :) [20:12] @_@ [20:12] yah [20:12] that is why I be sad [20:13] probably going to take time then [20:13] we know the problem, we know the solution but making it happen.... [20:13] needs more coders and coffee [20:13] prolly [20:13] FWIW, you also cannot write udf2.5 on linux [20:13] which is even more spooky TBH [20:14] now to wait for ktp-common-internals to build [20:14] or .. mm [20:25] ::qt-bugs:: [1011815] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Troll... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011815 (by Jürgen Blumenschein) [20:25] Launchpad bug 1011815 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf' is not in sync with other instances of the same package" [Undecided,New] [20:27] apachelogger: can you make lunchpad go faster with builds [20:29] oh, looks like quantal got a new gcc .. I wonder if it'll fix my digikam build [20:30] derp [20:30] yofel: looks like I lost pbuilder permissions on your thinkpad [20:31] I told you to check... [20:31] looking [20:31] it did work [20:31] that time [20:31] hm [20:31] something you did recently it seems [20:31] I didn't change it later [20:31] I could just use pbuilder-dist [20:38] shadeslayer: retry [20:38] can't do right now, pbuilder-dist be building stuff :P [20:39] k [20:44] yofel: nope [20:44] tar: dev/mixer1: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted [20:45] fails with : E: failed to extract /var/cache/pbuilder/quantal-amd64-base.tgz to /var/cache/pbuilder/build//9220 [20:52] shadeslayer: reverted to old permissions, if it still doesn't work -> tomorrow [20:52] okay [20:55] can I haz moar upload speed? [20:57] all those wallpapers are quite large [20:58] debfx: give them to me [20:58] * shadeslayer has shit loads of bandwidth on his shiny new VPS [21:01] kde-wallpapers right? [21:01] debfx: ^ [21:03] shadeslayer: yes, kde-wallpapers would be great [21:03] will be done once bzr starts cooperating [21:03] I think I uploaded the other large packages already [21:03] keeps giving me a permission denied pubkey [21:54] most of 4.8.90 is uploaded [21:55] wow, really? [21:55] what script did you use? [21:56] shadeslayer: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/kubuntu-initial-upload [21:56] awesome [21:57] * shadeslayer will read it once he gets time [21:57] dang [21:57] you've even automated the retry bits [21:57] you've eliminated two of my data points for apachelogger :P [22:00] so what you're saying, is that apachelogger is actually useless now? [22:01] sreich: no, I'm supposed to prepare a report about where we're spending most of our time [22:01] ah [22:02] and the 2 biggest data points that I collected were retrying builds and packages for Beta2, RC .. etc [22:03] who would maintain our prn if we sent apachelogger away [22:05] shadeslayer: If he's maintaining your prn, you have different tastes that I would have guessed. [22:05] he maintains everyones prn :P [22:30] yofel: There's no need to ship scalable icons in the binary. [22:31] Pairs is in. === cmagina-lunch is now known as cmagina [22:31] highvoltage: ^^^ [22:31] (just accepted) [22:40] ScottK: they're not used at all? === gorgonizer_ is now known as gorgonizer