[02:20] hello. can anyone help me? :) [05:11] Good morning [05:12] Good morning [05:17] Quantal doesn't seem to like me today; unity keeps crashing, the theme is wrong, and telepathy keeps failing to authenticate [05:18] hey pitti oh...I'm assuming you are running daily? [05:18] hey jasoncwarner_ [05:18] yes, updated yesterday evening [05:18] anyway, I'll just wait [05:19] * pitti reports two apport crashes to LP [05:19] ok, thanks pitti , I'll find out when the EUs get online :) [05:21] pitti: I think there's some dbus/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-control-centre madness happening; for me unity takes ~20sec to load, and I think that's it waiting for a bus timeout. [05:21] yeah, here too [05:21] then it resets the theme to ambiance [05:22] for unity, anyway [05:22] If you try starting up gnome-settings-daemon it'll work, but later crash after timing out waiting for the session manager on dbus, apparently. [06:04] good morning [06:15] hey didrocks [06:16] didrocks: morning! [06:16] good morning jasoncwarner_, how was your week-end? :) [06:16] didrocks: good, thanks. You? [06:17] jasoncwarner_: was good as well, although quite rainy [06:17] am I the only one having gnome-settings-daemon exiting on quantal? [06:17] (and no more appmenu integration) [06:18] didrocks: I think pitti is having issues with it... RAOF mentioned something as well [06:18] hey didrocks [06:18] Hey didrocks! [06:18] didrocks: yes, quantal is not nice today; g-s-d acting up, compiz crashing, telepathy not logging in [06:18] guten morgen pitti, your long week-end was good? :) [06:18] pitti: compiz crashing? nothing changed AFAIK, let me look at the uploads [06:18] didrocks: indeed it was, thanks! spent two days in Dresden, and two in Halle for a family birthday [06:18] hey RAOF [06:19] oh nice :) [06:19] didrocks: I did file an X.org apport crash, compiz did not get one; perhaps it exited because of the g-s-d issue, or due to the X.org crash, I don't know [06:19] pitti: can be, yeah [06:20] pitti: Xorg crash? [06:20] apport just duped it to bug 1010292 [06:20] and appmenu is doubled for your as well? [06:20] Actually, no. Let's go back to playing with mono AOT. Xorg crash can be tomorrow, when I'm working :) [06:20] in gtk3 apps [06:20] RAOF: oh, still one week-end? run away ;) [06:20] Long weekend here :) [06:21] heh, enjoy! [06:21] * didrocks feels it's because of the gnome-desktop ABI break and g-s-d rebuilt [06:22] I wish this would have be done by the desktop team first, and tested in -proposed [06:23] Didn't Robert upload gnome-desktop & friends? [06:24] infinity did the ABI rebuilds (a large part of the stack) [06:25] all of this should have been done in -proposed, tested and copied to release IMHO [06:25] could g-s-d depending on libgnomekbd7 be part of the issue? [06:26] micahg: I see some keyboard warnings, so can be [06:27] I'm afraid I will have to package 3.5.2 [06:27] but with that, we will regress in compiz front as we don't have the gsettings backend yet [06:28] finishing my email backlog and then looking at that [06:29] I think g-s-d is waiting for something on dbus, then dying when it doesn't show up; it crashes after timing out on a couple of dbuseys. [07:01] morning pitti. [07:01] hey glatzor, wie gehts? [07:01] how are you? [07:02] glatzor: I'm great, thanks! [07:02] pitti, fine. The last 5 days on my old working place. [07:02] * pitti is currently fighting with apport's py3 port [07:02] glatzor: oh, where are you moving to? [07:03] pitti, To be honest I don't know yet. I just wanted to put an end to my current working place. and so my girlfriend and me are taking the chance to take off some monthes and travelling around Canada [07:03] pitti, perhaps I will answer to one of the Google head hunter spams :) [07:04] hehe [07:04] pitti, The seems to regularly scan Ohloho [07:05] pitti, Niels Thykier gave me the advice to use lintian profiles instead of the currently used tag files [07:06] in aptdaemon? [07:06] I haven't used lintian profiles yet [07:07] pitti, right. Aptdaemon now ships a debian/aptdaemon.profile and an ubuntu/aptdaemon.profile [07:07] pitti, the are based on the debian ftp mater auto reject profile [07:07] they are .. [07:07] pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/lintian-profiles/view/head:/data/lintian/ubuntu/aptdaemon.profile [07:08] pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/lintian-profiles/view/head:/data/lintian/debian/aptdaemon.profile [07:09] pitti, I just converted the old tag files to profiles. But I think that the list of disabled checks in the ubuntu profile could need some review. [07:09] ah, nice [07:09] that's more general than the old tag files, though, as you cannot override messages for specific files? [07:10] pitti, overrides are now easily configurable. We just use the ones from the ftp master auto reject profile. sys admins can even place a custom profile add /etc/lintian/profiles/ubuntu/aptdaemon.profile to overwrite the shipped one [07:11] pitti, the test will now also fail on warnings. [07:11] you've been busy :) [07:12] also, thanks for merging the pkcompat branch [07:12] pitti, you just need to a Tag section with the Overridable attribute [07:12] need to add a [07:12] pitti, it is raining here a lot :) [07:15] pitti, I found a comment of you in the pkcompat branch about getting the return value of 2 from apt-key even on successful runs [07:15] pitti, is there are way to reproduce this? [07:15] glatzor: right, that's why I modified the logic to check stdout [07:16] glatzor: the test suite does [07:17] hm, why can't I run this ATM -- can't import apt.auth [07:18] ah, I guess it was removed and moved to apt or so [07:19] pitti, right. I created a new apt.auth module [07:20] pitti, unfortunately trunk currently depends on a not yet released libapt and python-apt [07:20] pitti, I fixed apt-key to be usable with chroots too [07:20] if we can fix the exit code in apt-key, we can revert the workaround, of course [07:21] pitti, the adv command of apt-key should return the exit state of gnupg directly [07:23] pitti, we could also use the status fd of gnupg in apt.auth [07:24] pitti, but to come back to the initial issue: who should decide on the lintian profile and when we call a software being of bad quality [07:24] ? [07:25] this is for installing third-party debs, right? [07:26] not sure really; I guess someone familiar with the current set of tags should review them (mvo?), and perhaps put it up for review on u-devel@ [07:27] morning mvo :) [07:28] hey glatzor and pitti! [07:28] hey mvo, guten Morgen [07:28] hey mvo! enjoyed your holidays? [07:28] didrocks: yes, it was very nice! [07:29] great ;) staying at home or travelling? [07:33] didrocks: I stayed at home, it was a very short vac, still a nice break [07:34] sweet :) [07:36] RAOF: if you are still around, it's the gnome-desktop MAX_GL_TEXTURE helper which troubles g-s-d :) [07:36] didrocks: ORLY? [07:36] Arse. [07:36] That's what it's waiting for, I take it? [07:36] Yay for defensively setting a timeout :) [07:37] RAOF: indeed! :) [07:37] he's waiting eagerly to gnome-desktop to respond on the MAX_GL_TEXTURE [07:37] which out to ignore him completely [07:39] Heh. [07:41] RAOF: it's normal that it ignores it btw [07:41] RAOF: it's not like if it was on disk :p [07:49] found why I guess [07:49] two libexec_PROGRAMS in the same Makefile.am, one should die :) [07:52] mvo, when do you plan to upload apt and python-apt? [07:53] I would like to release the python3 port with the new apt.auth support [07:54] mvo, pitti oh. I have to leave for work now. see you. [07:54] have a nice day [07:54] bye glatzor, you too! === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:57] glatzor: bye [07:57] glatzor: yes, apt is ready in my bzr branch for quantal [07:57] glatzor: and python-apt will be soon I hope [08:04] didrocks: kudos on helping solve the Q gcc issue [08:04] thumper: no worry :) [08:04] didrocks: it was a doozy [08:04] thumper: now, we need to find the best (and saner) strategy to have both libs installed and living well together :) [08:04] thumper: oh yeah… [08:04] didrocks: now hoe to move forward again :) [08:04] s/hoe/how [08:05] thumper: indeed ;) I'm hoping we can tackle/fix that today or tomorrow. I'm feeling way better now that we know the cause [08:05] me too [08:05] I was scratching my head quite a bit [08:05] I'm off to clean dinner dishes since John is late again [08:06] good morning everyone [08:08] morning! [08:08] hi Laney [08:08] how goes? [08:08] thumper: see you! :) [08:08] hey chrisccoulson [08:08] yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you? [08:08] hi didrocks, did you have a good weekend? [08:08] chrisccoulson: how was your week-end? [08:08] morning Laney! [08:08] yeah, not too bad thanks :) [08:08] chrisccoulson: an excellent one despite the rain! [08:10] heh, it didn't rain too much here, thankfully [08:10] is anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon not running in their unity session atm? [08:11] chrisccoulson, ha, I just wanted to ask the same question :) [08:11] chrisccoulson, Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0 [08:11] larsu, yeah, my unity session is quite unusable. i get that too, and there's quite a few dbus related errors as well [08:12] i've had to switch to gnome shell this morning ;) [08:12] which still seems to work for some reason [08:12] so, if nobody has started looking at that, i guess i should probably take a look at it now [08:12] now i know it isn't just me :) [08:13] chrisccoulson: yeah, I fixed it [08:13] chrisccoulson: see my gnome-desktop upload [08:13] larsu: ^ [08:13] didrocks, oh, thanks :) [08:13] oh cool [08:13] didrocks, thanks! [08:13] larsu: yw ;) [08:14] larsu: btw, a question on that [08:14] larsu: g-s-d exiting -> appmenu shown on the application? [08:14] larsu: is that new? is it a new property that g-s-d is sending to gtk apps? [08:15] like "hide my menu please" :) [08:15] didrocks, it shouldn't. But I see appmenus on almost all gtk3 apps now. I assume it's all bug #999827 [08:15] Launchpad bug 999827 in indicator-appmenu "App menus aren't shown in the panel if the app is also exporting menus via dbusmenu" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999827 [08:15] didrocks, yeah, there is an xsettings property for that now [08:16] oh, it's a xsettings property on the root window? [08:16] * didrocks looks :) [08:16] chrisccoulson: do you have the name of the property? I'm curious :) [08:17] hey [08:17] hey didrocks, chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:17] bonjour seb128 [08:17] hi seb128 pitti, how are you? [08:17] hey pitti, wie gehts? [08:17] didrocks, i can't remember it off the top of my head [08:17] hey chrisccoulson; I'm great, thanks! had a nice long weekend [08:17] chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks [08:18] hey seb128. I'm fine, thanks, and you? [08:18] chrisccoulson: ok ;) [08:18] didrocks, chrisccoulson may be right - the bug I linked to is a separate issue [08:18] seb128, morning! [08:18] larsu: yeah, I guess so [08:18] didrocks, good, thanks ;-) [08:18] larsu, guten tag! [08:18] still needs to get fixed :-/ [08:18] didrocks, what issue are you discussing? [08:19] seb128: oh, not an issue, I was just wondering why when g-s-d exit, the appmenu is shown in gtk3 apps [08:19] seb128: this is quite new, isn't it? [08:19] didrocks, since precise, that's the work desrt did [08:19] didrocks, Gtk/ShellShowsMenubar xsettings is set by gsd [08:19] same for Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu [08:20] on the root window? [08:20] didrocks, remember, I told you that you can turn off the appmenu with gsettings overrides ;-) [08:20] didrocks, well, it's a xsettings, like the theme, etc [08:20] I don't think it's win specific [08:21] ah ok ;) [08:21] didrocks, googling suggest there is a settings window for those [08:22] http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html [08:22] didrocks, "The settings manager changes the contents of the _XSETTINGS_SETTINGS property of the root window whenever the source it derives them from changes," [08:22] inf act [08:23] seb128: ok, reading it, thanks! === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [08:34] moin! [08:34] seb128, I know you told me this before, but how can I get the equivalent of bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gnome-settings-daemon if the autoimporter is broken? [08:35] larsu, apt-get source gnome-settings-daemon? [08:35] Sweetshark, hey [08:35] seb128, yeah, but that doesn't let me fix something and put out a merge request [08:36] I want to remove that print plugin asserting in .xsession-errors [08:36] larsu: we use debian only vcs, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu [08:37] larsu, but feel free to just do an upstream patch for that, .xsession-errors noise are usually not worth doing an Ubuntu specific upload [08:38] seb128, it's in our patch that removes the plugin. Otherwise I'd have done it upstream ;) [08:38] seb128: could you take of bug 1010631 or reassign it appropriately? [08:38] Launchpad bug 1010631 in libcmis "sync request: libcmis (0.2.2-1) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010631 [08:38] ogra_: hey, can you add me to that team with an ARM PPA please? (I forgot its name, sorry) [08:38] larsu: ok, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu then [08:39] Sweetshark, ok [08:39] seb128, cool, thanks [08:40] hmm, has anyone else used gnome-shell with multiple monitors? [08:42] seb128: thx! [08:45] ogra_: hey, can you add me to that team with an ARM PPA please? (I forgot its name, sorry) [08:46] . [08:46] Laney, no neeed to repeat :) [08:47] hmmm, seems we were quite lucky to mostly avoid rain over the weekend: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18391200 [08:48] Laney, done (canonical-arm-dev btw) [08:48] ogra_: sorry. Something is very wrong with my internet connection right now [08:48] switched to mosh to hopefully smooth it out [08:48] ah [08:48] well, you are a member now, have fun :) [08:49] thanks [08:49] which PPA should I be using? [08:49] ah, "ppa" probably :-) [08:54] chrisccoulson, we didn't avoid rain in France ;-) [08:54] seb128, we didn't completely avoid it, but it didn't rain here as much as it did in wales [08:54] chrisccoulson, what about g-s and multimonitor? I didn't try here but I guess it should be working [08:55] seb128, oh, i just docked my laptop whilst running gnome-shell, and noticed that i only get 1 workspace on my secondary monitor [08:55] not sure if that's normal [08:55] chrisccoulson, I think that's wanted [08:55] oh, that sucks ;) [08:55] i prefer what we have [08:55] ;-) [08:56] chrisccoulson: that's to punish you using it :p [08:56] heh [08:57] it feels quite broken to be able to have multiple workspaces on only 1 screen [08:57] i definitely couldn't work like that [08:59] hrm, I've no unity this morning :P [08:59] Laney: possibly due to this g-s-d timing out (and theme changing), no? [09:00] Laney: nothing changed/have been built unity side [09:00] I installed your gnome-desktop3 before restarting [09:00] Laney: or do you have your locally installed version with the rebuild? [09:00] the one you merge proposed [09:00] don't think I did it on this machine [09:00] let me see. [09:01] getting a compiz segfault [09:02] report it please ;) [09:02] am doing [09:02] didrocks: I think compiz compiles with C++0x [09:02] didrocks: just a fyi :) [09:02] thumper: right, but it's uploaded for 15 days now [09:03] thumper: and no issue :) [09:03] ok [09:03] thumper: however, I spoke to the gcc dev [09:03] thumper: they are telling that ABI changes are coming all over the place in the stl [09:03] thumper: and it's not yet intended to be used in applications as long as the stack isn't ready [09:03] didrocks: ick [09:04] bug #1011496, see if the retracer dups it [09:04] Launchpad bug 1011496 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in std::__detail::_List_node_base::_M_hook()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1011496 [09:04] thumper: so, I'm not sure the cost of this and shipping 2 versions of the whole stl… [09:04] :( [09:04] Laney: are you sure that you don't have the version you compiled locally? [09:04] as it's exactly that [09:04] the crash I was reffering and why I refused your merge [09:05] I thought apport would have refused the bug if so [09:05] I'll make it re-download :P [09:05] seb128: btw my machine failed to boot into lightdm today again -- with the patch from the bug. [09:05] Laney: if you rebuild with the same version… [09:05] thumper: I guess we need to discuss that tomorrow, preferrably with doko? [09:06] * thumper nods [09:06] Sweetshark, oh, "LibreOffice gerrit bot" is you? ;-) [09:06] thumper: I'm afraid the cost at the end will get higher and higher. The gcc devs are happy to work with us on this [09:06] seb128: :/ [09:06] didrocks: I'm concerned that unity is just the tip of the iceberg here [09:06] seb128: yes. forgot to exchange logins [09:06] thumper: right, they are just discouraging using it for final apps until the stack is ready [09:07] didrocks: if I'm a project dev using C++ and I choose to use C++0x flag to get the new goodness, I'd expect it to work on ubuntu [09:07] thumper: I'll try to get doko on board [09:07] they who? [09:07] Sweetshark, ok, thanks for testing and commenting back, guess we need to figure another fix then :-( [09:07] Hello. I am your friendly LibreOffice Bot. How can I help? [09:07] thumper: gcc devs implementing C++0x [09:08] thumper, did you see my mail on ubuntu-devel about this? [09:08] chrisccoulson: no, I'm not on ubuntu-devel [09:09] didrocks: the problem with this is how much in unity would have to change [09:09] thumper, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035310.html [09:09] didrocks: and it is a metric fuck-ton [09:09] i guess you're talking about this :) [09:09] thumper: indeed… I totally agree. I would prefer that we don't have to change the code all over the place [09:09] thumper: let's see, I'm trying to catch doko ASAP [09:09] thumper: and I'll setup a meeting [09:10] hopefully on in crazy hours for you [09:10] stl isn't really meant to be used in public api's for this reason [09:10] not* [09:10] thumper, https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/211119293004398593 ;) [09:10] chrisccoulson: in the email I sent to them, I refered to that email [09:10] didrocks, ah, ok. thanks [09:10] so he should have read it already :) [09:12] chrisccoulson: I feel that you are saying different things to what I'm inferring from didrocks [09:12] thumper, in what way? [09:12] hum? [09:13] seb128: libreoffice_3.4.5+really3.4.4-0ubuntu1 is now finally ready on chinstrap. how do we proceed with it? [09:13] I inferred it was only libsigc++6 that was the issue as it was compiled with a different flag [09:13] chrisccoulson: you mentioned it was just libsigc++ [09:13] damnit [09:14] first library should be libstdc++6 [09:14] thumper, ah, libstdc isn't really involved here, because a lot of the STL is template code, which means it has to be compiled inline [09:15] that is what I thought [09:15] however it means that we can't use "auto, lambdas, range based for loops, strong enums" and a bunch of others [09:15] that we have started using in unity wholesale [09:15] for the last 10 months [09:16] c++11 also adds namespacing to old enums [09:16] which c++98 does not [09:16] so much nice goodness that it seems we are being told not to use [09:16] i'm not advocating switching away from that :) [09:16] ok, didrocks, chrisccoulson: do we need a meeting to decide how to move forwards? [09:17] rather, that we should switch libsigc. but i wonder whether we need to have a policy to enforce things like this [09:17] or will email be sufficient? [09:17] email should probably be ok [09:17] ok [09:18] thumper: maybe, we can twist this, I'm testing something [09:18] thumper: building with 4.6 [09:18] that will work until someone rebuilds libsigc with 4.7 :) [09:19] this just sounds like a pile of mess [09:19] chrisccoulson: hum, this can work if it's with 4.7 but without the flags? [09:19] chrisccoulson: as the issue for us is that there isn't this flag [09:19] didrocks, no, the STL ABI is different between gcc versions too [09:20] chrisccoulson: argh, it's definitively a doko's issue here [09:20] heh [09:20] he should 1. first have warned us about those [09:20] 2. handle that because we have quite a lot of apps in the stack [09:20] (and not only in main) [09:22] this is why i hate the "lets use the latest toolchain" bandwagon, because it always results in people doing unproductive work just to unbreak things :) [09:22] indeed [09:22] especially people who maintain a browser ;) [09:22] which always breaks with a new compiler [09:22] heh, not sure who you speak about ;) [09:22] heh [09:24] Good Morning. [09:40] Laney: see why I refused your merge now? ;) [09:40] :P [09:40] sorry :( [09:40] no worry! === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [10:19] chrisccoulson, did you finish the pgo benchmarks? I'm pondering if your remaining a1 item should be closed or moved to a2 [10:19] seb128, yes, that's finished. i just need to present the data in a way which is useful, which is why i haven't closed it yet :) [10:20] chrisccoulson, ok, I let if for you then ... what's the bottom line, is that bringing a real improvement? [10:20] seb128, yeah, in some JS benchmarks it is quite a significant improvement. overall it does make it faster === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:00] seb128: thx for support and syncing/sponsoring. [11:06] Sweetshark, you're welcome, thanks for the work ;-) [11:32] Is Gstreamer 1.0 already in Quantal? [11:35] BigWhale: Yes. [11:36] * BigWhale does a happy dance. [11:37] RAOF, awesome. [11:37] Thanks. [11:37] Doing some gstreamer hacking? :) [11:37] I ported most of Kazam to GStreamer 1.0 [11:39] and I am being lazy about installing it from the source again. [11:39] so I'll just use a VM [11:50] Now all I need is a new keybinder ... [13:05] re [13:08] re seb128 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:50] seb128: ping? [13:50] Sweetshark, hey [13:51] seb128: I managed to get launchpad to take my branch. So ignore my diff and take https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/ubuntu-seeds/quantal-libo instead as a base ;) [13:51] Sweetshark, ok! [13:52] seb128: I *really* stupidly made a mistake with my ssh setup. #launchpad had a laugh .... [13:54] Sweetshark, can happen to anyone ;-) [15:11] skaet, could you please mark as accepted for Q? The approver does not have permission. [15:12] mpt, done. what's the priority of this one? [15:13] skaet, thank you. Medium. [15:13] thanks mpt, done. [15:14] \o/ [15:14] .. [15:15] Laney, ??? [15:15] ;-) [15:15] this is a funny-looking terminal! [15:29] hilo, where should I report bug about skype? [15:30] I have tried ubuntu-bug skype [15:30] but package is not in repo or so === fenris is now known as Guest99220 [15:30] I am just a little pissed with horrible icon in AltTab [15:31] so I want to report it [15:32] pavolzetor: I believe that bug was already reported as bug 937975 [15:32] Launchpad bug 937975 in skype "Application needs hi-res or SVG icon" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937975 [15:33] I see [15:33] who does package skype? [15:33] it should be really easy to fix [15:36] okay I subscribed, thanks === Guest99220 is now known as ejat [16:46] mpt, so in the Software Updater, the phrase "Checking for updates..." should be (A) big, (B) big and bold, or (C) neither? [16:46] mterry, C [16:47] mterry, that is a provisional answer because I'm not the guy writing the typography guidelines, but I'm fairly confident in that one. :-) [16:47] mpt, and the details line below the progress bar, it should be normal size too? (the "Checking Yorba PPA" one -- not that we have that nice a description yet) [16:47] mterry, that's a caption, small print (