| ojwb | "report bug" led me to a pile of wiki pages telling me stuff about reporting bugs which I didn't really want to be told | 00:00 |
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| lifeless | ah yes | 00:01 |
| lifeless | this is our 'only folk with the magic key can report bugs' feature. | 00:01 |
| ajmitch | yeah, the suggested way is to use ubuntu-bug | 00:01 |
| lifeless | </me waxes lyrical> | 00:01 |
| lifeless | [its not a feature] | 00:01 |
| ojwb | ftr, passing -oAPT::Immediate-Configure=off to apt-get seemed to make it work | 00:02 |
| ajmitch | oh, one of those nasty bugs | 00:02 |
| ojwb | i poked it for a bit and then it moaned about python2.7-minimal and pointed me to that section of man 5 apt.conf | 00:03 |
| ajmitch | something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/990740 ? | 00:03 |
| ojwb | lifeless: I can see that it's good to make sure people are clued up a bit before filing a bug | 00:03 |
| lifeless | ojwb: nah, thats the story. | 00:04 |
| lifeless | ojwb: the reality is that we should be pointing folk at a forums/stackexchange /style/ site. | 00:04 |
| ojwb | don't point me there! | 00:04 |
| lifeless | ojwb: and have folk who have demonstrated cred there have a push-button converter to escalate a thread/post into a defect report. | 00:04 |
| lifeless | seamlessly. | 00:04 |
| ajmitch | apport does point people to askubuntu.com, askubuntu people point bug reports back to LP | 00:04 |
| ajmitch | noone really wants to handle those reports that just don't have enough info | 00:05 |
| lifeless | That would let J Random file a 'bug', have it get peer-nondev support and peer-dev support, and become a bug in the developers workflow, without the current piss-off-hurdles. | 00:05 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: the problem is that apport only gathers useful data in a small % of cases anyhow. | 00:05 |
| ojwb | ajmitch: yes, that looks like it | 00:05 |
| ojwb | I ended up upgrading with dist-upgrade, but only because do-release-upgrade gave up... | 00:06 |
| ojwb | btw, is there a way to make do-release-upgrade less needy for user input | 00:07 |
| ojwb | ? | 00:07 |
| ajmitch | debconf questions, or conffile prompts? | 00:07 |
| ojwb | kind of annoying that I have to use it and can't make it just get on with it, which I could if I could use dist-upgrade | 00:08 |
| ojwb | stuff like "I'm going to remove these packages" | 00:08 |
| ojwb | and "I've disabled your unofficial repos" | 00:08 |
| lifeless | do-release-upgrade -y ? | 00:08 |
| lifeless | (I'm guessing, it may not exist) | 00:08 |
| ajmitch | it only has -q, no -y in --help | 00:09 |
| ojwb | indeed | 00:09 |
| ojwb | -q doesn't do much at all | 00:09 |
| ojwb | and is only listed in --help, not the man page | 00:10 |
| ojwb | and --help doesn't say what it does | 00:10 |
| ojwb | though --quiet is a strong hint | 00:10 |
| ojwb | do-release-upgrade: error: no such option: -y | 00:10 |
| ojwb | i set the debconf priority to critical, so it isn't that | 00:11 |
| ojwb | a few of the questions are about conf files, so those are fair enough | 00:11 |
| ojwb | though I should find a way to make it pick the right answer automatically really | 00:11 |
| ojwb | but those certainly aren't do-release-upgrade's fault | 00:11 |
| * ajmitch needs to grab lunch, pity it requires going outside into the cold | 00:11 | |
| mwhudson | ahh, i haven't had to deal with debconf lately | 00:12 |
| mwhudson | just another reason to be happy | 00:12 |
| ojwb | it does at least allow you to address these issues | 00:24 |
| * ojwb adds a comment to the existing bug about the level of interactivity during upgrades | 00:25 | |
| mwhudson | i was thinking more from the packager side | 00:26 |
| ojwb | dunno, seems better than having to write the code to ask such questions yourself | 00:30 |
| chilts | so in theory, we should be able to directly upgrade LTS to LTS (once 12.04.1 comes along)? | 01:04 |
| chilts | I never knew that, always thought you had to upgrade each to the next | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | chilts: yes, it's always been that way with LTS releases (in theory) | 01:06 |
| chilts | righto, cool ... in which case, I may just upgrade this machine instead of re-installing (which is what I usually do) | 01:09 |
| * ajmitch tends to never reinstall | 01:10 | |
| mwhudson | i managed to reinstall 32 bit rather than 64 bit last time :) | 01:11 |
| mwhudson | well, the time before last | 01:11 |
| mwhudson | the message you get when you run a amd64 binary on a 32 bit install is pretty odd | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | not entirely obvious? | 01:13 |
| ibeardslee | morning | 19:06 |
| ajmitch | morning | 19:13 |
| ibeardslee | how is that zatab going? | 19:16 |
| ajmitch | still using android on it, feels a little slow at times | 19:44 |
| ibeardslee | only a singe core isn't it? | 19:50 |
| chilts | morning | 20:00 |
| thomi | Morning all | 20:10 |
| ajmitch | ibeardslee: yeah, and you notice it at times :) | 20:24 |
| ibeardslee | I wonder with the number of cheap tablets about they are being shortsighted doing a single core | 20:33 |
| mwhudson | morning | 20:36 |
| thumper | morning | 21:10 |
| ojwb | morning | 21:10 |
| snail | people may (or may not) be interested in this role at the national library http://www.bfound.net/detail.aspx?jobId=106832&CoId=164&rq=2 | 21:17 |
| kcj | Morning. | 21:59 |
| hads | morning | 22:05 |
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