[00:02] hi [00:05] * stilia-johny i have a LAN of 5 PC via ethernet and i have wifi router as well! i want to setup my computer as a server and when one of the pc or the wireles connected pc want to go in a site as google to go normaly and when it want to go to www.site.co.uk to go in my ip.. i dont want to do it from the host file i want to do it with a dns HOW [00:06] ? [00:13] bind9 [00:13] setup the router to use the 'server' ip as a DNS [00:15] I have a server set up like that, the dns handles *.dev for webdev and the rest is forwarded to google dns [00:15] stilia-johny: ^ [00:56] widows vista 'system idle process' using 85% cpu... === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [06:24] morning all [07:01] morning all [07:44] zzzzz, yawn, morning, thud..head hits desk [07:45] DJones: sounds about right [07:45] Definately [07:48] Lack of sleep and painkillers suggest today will not be a productive day [07:53] * jussi gets the electric prod out... move! :P [07:54] I can't feel it, just produces a numbing tingling [07:54] * TheOpenSourcerer was up at 5:00am - son has gone off on a sailing trip with his school to the IoW. [07:56] TheOpenSourcerer: Sounds a fun trip [08:14] Morning === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk_away_afk === schwuk_away_afk is now known as schwuk [08:17] good morning all [08:31] Good morning all! :) [08:33] Good morning peeps :) [08:36] morning biggie [08:50] Ug, so much nicer to use a gui irc client [08:51] nice of my hayfever to be going crazy in this torrential rain [08:53] morning all [08:53] oimon: you need to pick up birdwatching ;-) [09:01] hoover, my sneezes would scare aware the birds [09:02] i'm amazed the bug hasn't been fixed where you can't shut down your machine if another user is logged into a session [09:02] oimon: I could have done with you yesterday morning, two blue tits flying round my conservatory [09:03] hehe [09:03] A friend of mine was "cured" of his hayfever by getting really passionate about birdwatching... very cool [09:03] had to take strong suppressants for the last decade or so, now it's all well [09:04] i don't understand ? [09:05] he took super strong drugs to make his hayfever go away? [09:05] what drugs are these? [09:05] Never had hayfever, but a cure for loud sneezes in our house involved a dog running from the other end of house and jumping on whoever sneezes, landing with all four paws right in your lap [09:05] Not found a cure for the eyes watering after that happens though [09:05] my nose runs like a tap between 7-10 [09:05] and awake at 4.30 with sinuses on fire [09:16] good morning everyone, [09:19] hello bro [09:20] hello oimon [09:22] This is a nice idea http://www.pcworld.com/article/257237/clambook_turns_the_laptop_into_a_smartphonepowered_peripheral_cats_herd_sheep.html seems like an ideal accessory to run Ubuntu for Phone with [09:26] Damn [09:27] oimon: no idea, I didn't ask for details on the drugs [09:27] morning brobostigon [09:27] morning hoover [09:30] hmm mintbox PC looks a bit like acer revo ..but more $$ [09:33] oimon: 10% markup for mint too [09:33] dont think they thought that through [09:33] popey, cool tax? [09:34] given the most expensive one is 388 quid + VAT [09:35] Morning all [09:35] Anyone else seeing increasing amounts of spam since linkedin/eharmony thing ? [09:35] nope [09:35] I used to get 3-4 a day for since I've had my gmail account [09:35] Since linkedin + 1-2 days I've got 100+ a day [09:35] popey: glad you're awake. What should I install on my iPad? [09:36] So guess I was on the leaked list :( [09:38] must block paris hilton on g+ [09:39] bigcalm: What made you decide to get an iPad [09:39] DJones: app testing [09:39] Ah [09:39] how can i block a user who isn't in my circles? [09:39] I wondered whether you'd got fed up waiting for ICS [09:40] DJones: I've never felt so dispassionate about having a new tech toy [09:40] Heh [09:41] bigcalm: My wifes been driving me nuts all weekend looking at phones, I wouldn't mind, her contract isn't due up until about october [09:41] :| [09:42] She wants a Blackberry thats running Android :) [09:42] bigcalm: lastpass, skype, sipgate, where's the water, minecraft PE, cut the rope, draw something, mx mayhem, aqueduct 101, spotify, garage band, tune in radio, iplayer, ted itv player, 40d catchup OPlayer HD, google earth, issh, rightmove, bbc news, kindle, blue block, trainyard, find iphone, dropbox, u1 files, ... [09:43] popey: good selection. I'll throw some of those on there [09:44] bigcalm: profanisaurus, windfinder, wattpad, cloud reader, stanza, rl classic, ebay, amazon, [09:44] kindle? [09:45] yep it's there [09:45] * oimon wonders if 40d catchup is on android too [09:45] there's also a cinemagr.am app [09:45] yes, i dont use my kindle now i have a kindle ipad app [09:46] my tablet cost the same as a kindle [09:46] I was told they weren't as nice to read on, you find it ok ? [09:46] i like reading in bed with the kindle on tablet [09:47] i.e. lights out [09:47] * popey shrugs [09:47] you get used to it, and it's only when you see a kindle that you remember that kindle display is better [09:47] (a bit like HD TV) [09:47] anyone have any recommendations for a tablet, counsin is lookign to buy one and she's only 15 and wants it for throwing into her bag and doing homework, anyone have any they prefer over others. [09:47] Only had my kindle a couple of weeks, read a couple of books already [09:47] i have a CRT telly that looks fine to me [09:47] Quite liking it [09:48] czajkowski: ipad [09:48] czajkowski: all other tablets are rubbish [09:48] [FACT] [09:48] troll [09:48] :P [09:48] IMHO [09:48] running android makes them rubbish ☺ [09:48] so find a tablet not running android.. that leaves ipad [09:48] popey: aye you know thats what I suggested to her and she said she wanted android, so just trying to see whats out there, they are all kinda pricy in euros as well [09:48] popey: well there are windows ones also no ? [09:49] loldows [09:49] well indeed [09:49] czajkowski: There is one one on Ebuyer that's cheapish £170-80 that's getting good reviews and I am debating about [09:49] popey, don't lie your transformer? [09:49] But haven't tried it myself [09:49] ^lie^like [09:49] diplo: url? [09:49] * diplo is searching already [09:49] oimon: android isnt very good on any tablet I've played with [09:49] depends on your needs i guess [09:50] seems to meet my requirements [09:50] except tvcatchup was crashing on my tablet last night grrrr [09:50] i have never had tvcatchup crash on my ipad, ergo android is rubbish ☺ [09:50] when we finally make an ubuntu tablet, I will of course switch ;) [09:51] I use mine for reading docs when travelling and irc and Yt but never watched movies on it [09:51] czajkowski: I believe this is it http://www.ebuyer.com/344245-scroll-extreme-tablet-pc-54242 [09:51] diplo: thanks [09:51] these IBM blades are shockingly bad [09:51] am remmbering how cheap UK is over Euro by a long shot [09:51] If she goes for it keep me in the loop, be interested in a hands on :) [09:52] will do [09:52] she's getting it as a gift for sitting her Jnr cert [09:52] * daubers still has no use for a tablet [09:53] daubers, what do you do on the toilet? [09:53] oimon: Isn't that what a kindles for? [09:53] my 2year old is using my tablet too much [09:53] he completed a hard level of train maze the other day [09:53] he has 5 apps he really likes [09:54] oimon: My youngest (4) keeps trying to touch the laptop screen to get it to scroll :( [09:54] drum kit and piano, memory game, squirrel and train maze [09:54] it's very intuitive interface [09:54] https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2012/06/11/cve-2012-2122-a-tragically-comedic-security-flaw-in-mysql [09:55] They love my brothers IPAD, I just can't find that sort of money, especially when the 5 year old is growing at the pace he is [09:55] :( [09:55] popey: Android on my tablet is excellent, works brilliantly and does everything i want, although price wise it is comparable with Ipads [09:56] i dont like the lack of screen responsiveness on android [09:56] Failed on mine popey, going to test it on a few different ones [09:56] given my ipad is lower spec than the transformer, yet the transformer can't do screen updates as smoothly as ipad [09:56] popey: In what way? I've not used an iPad, so I haven't got anything to compare with [09:57] was the transformer gingerbread? [09:57] Thats not something I've noticed [09:57] daubers: ICS [09:57] its had various versions [09:57] its a well known issue with the display rendering on android [09:57] I think this is the benefit for Apple, is they only design there OS for a few devices, makes making improvements so much easier [09:57] Ah, someone in the office has a tablet s which doesn't seem to have the slow screen updates problem [09:58] its not just slow screen updates, artifacts on the screen, triangles rendering incorrectly [09:58] Mine is the Prime which is very responsive [09:58] I've found it varies between tablets. Some really suffe, other don't [09:58] yeah, the prime is better, but thats got 4 more cores than my ipad ☺ [09:59] On the other side of things, I have seen a iPad give the OSX "Reboot now" screen [09:59] the what screen? [09:59] When OSX has a kernel panic the screen goes grey telling you to hard reboot [09:59] popey: I had to get the 4 cores, it makes up for my own memory & brain speed :) [09:59] DJones: popey I just cant recommend something as priey as 500-600 euros when I know full well she's not going to use it as heavily as you folks would and she'll be needing a laptop next year as well [09:59] Got a Mac Pro downstairs that does it on command when you pull out the 10GbE SFP+ [09:59] second hand hp touchpad? [10:00] I'd love a touchpad [10:00] or ipad1 [10:00] trying to see what I can get in uk and bring it over as that seems to be cheaper than here [10:00] czajkowski: they arent that much [10:00] 2nd hand or refurb [10:00] 1st gen ipad is fine, that's all I have [10:00] showing 600 euros over here for the galaxy tablet which she has it in her head as she knows that name [10:00] czajkowski: Agreed, I wouldn't recommend the Prime for somebody who doesn't plan on using it regularly for quite a while [10:01] she hadnt heard of asus or HTC so trying to show her [10:01] czajkowski: Had a look at the sony ones? They're a bit cheaper [10:01] at the end of the day she's 15 and will be using it mostly in the house where she has wifi [10:01] daubers: I wont recommend anyone buy Sony [10:02] czajkowski: Because Sony are genitalia? [10:02] morning all [10:02] czajkowski: prod [10:03] daubers: cause they are uber pricy and if they break cost a small fortue to repair [10:03] davmor2: ello [10:03] czajkowski: they only cost a small fortune to repair if you take them back to sony [10:05] true [10:07] czajkowski: have you seen how many 16GB ipad 1's there are on ebay [10:07] ~200 quid [10:07] czajkowski: £300 http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/sony-s-tablet-pc-16gb-11318187-pdt.html?srcid=867&cmpid=comp~Google~~11318187&istCompanyId=9a35962d-802d-4e67-9721-0a3328ca1f02&istItemId=itarpmti&istBid=t&gclid=CM-j5pf4xbACFQ8htAodGiioVw [10:07] (can be updated to ICS) [10:07] i wouldn't touch a sony tablet either [10:07] their customer support is apalling [10:08] daubers: ah ok [10:08] heh :) We have one in the office. Hardware seems ok, but sony are a bit nobbish [10:08] thats was one thing I didnt know she has heard of ICS so wondered if she bought pre ICS could she update it to that ? [10:08] czajkowski: Some can, some can't [10:09] its just taken me hr and a half to change some settings on some ibm blades remotely :0\ [10:09] daubers: cheers [10:11] czajkowski: In all honesty, with tablets I'd go into a shop and play with them [10:11] much like PC's, until you've held one and played with it, you won't really know [10:12] I'm waiting for Jelly Bean updates :) [10:12] daubers: aye not a great selection in pc world which is whats close to her. [10:12] but am trying to get her to not rush into it [10:12] czajkowski: Go into HMV [10:12] thanks folks though [10:12] daubers: our HMV doesnt stock them :) [10:12] hah! HMV in reading has 2 counters full of tablets [10:13] It's starting to put boots to shame [10:13] DJones: I'm potentially waiting for a) Some scan results and b) the nexus 7" tablet that's rumoured [10:15] daubers: I had a play with a couple of 7" tablets and found they were not quite big enough for any regular use, it was sort of part way between a phone and a tablet, didn't quite do either as well as I'd hoped [10:15] DJones: I might need one more as an electronic diary/todo list than anything else (phone is just a touch too small) [10:16] http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-02-23/ [10:16] amusingly that comic strip appeared with an advert for the galaxy note in the bottom right the other day [10:16] popey: It's what I used to use my palm for [10:17] (original palm thing, not the phone :) ) [10:17] daubers: I thought you meant you scribbled notes in ink on your palm then [10:17] oh wow, dilbert still exists [10:17] DJones: I did that too... but stopped when it started running in the rain [10:18] I still have a Palm [10:18] I have a Tungsten T in a box somewhere. But all the syncy software stopped working [10:18] the few people I know who have notes in regards to Dilbert really like them [10:23] Hmm... didn't realise you can get wireless HDMI monitors [10:27] over the last couple of weeks we have started to get a lot more spam calls at home [10:27] had one from an indian guy about windows viruses and told him to fsck off [10:28] still keep getting calls, but they're silent [10:28] then hang up [10:28] :( [10:28] no number "Unavailable, out of area" [10:28] had a few here also. [10:28] nothing I can do is there? [10:28] other than tps, i doubt it. [10:28] tps cant do anything about non-UK calling [10:29] true, yes. [10:29] popey: Setup something to screen your calls [10:30] such as? [10:30] popey: Or keep a log of when you're getting them and speak to BT [10:30] asterisk? [10:30] I am not with BT [10:30] VM? [10:30] yes [10:30] I'm not inclined to install asterisk [10:30] Then speak to VM :) [10:31] well yes, I can figure that bit out myself [10:31] I was looking for alternative solutions [10:31] When I had a similarish problem, BT asked for a log of times when we were getting called. No guarentee of a solution, but it helps them track the call [10:31] i tend to write the number down also. on the basis, i can find a solution, to filter those malicious numbers. [10:32] popey: 1.50 month to have spam calling cut out iirc that gets rid of a lot of them [10:32] * popey tweets vm [10:32] popey: you'll need to check I know bt do it so vm should have something similar [10:33] popey: BT can also block calls to your phone from withheld numbers [10:33] dunno if VM do the same [10:33] no number shows though [10:34] would be nice to just say "block calls from outside the UK" [10:37] i get enough spam calls on my phone that i installed an app that rejects all calls from unknown numbers. but its android so the app kind of sucks [10:37] ali1234: do you (or anyone else) know if the 'blue people' issue with flash/youtube is resolved with the new version, 11.2.202.236? [10:37] dwatkins, turning off hardware acceleration fixes that does it not? [10:38] popey: As for the silly end of the scale.... change your number or hire a secretary :) [10:38] gord: it does, yeah - not an ideal solution, so I'm hoping it's actually fixed in the latest release [10:39] would be nice, anything to make flash a little less terribad [10:41] http://www.silentgard.com/ [10:41] *sigh* [10:41] aspnet fail [10:42] popey: You could get yourself a premium rate number and make some money from them? [10:44] I look forward to the day everything uses HTML5. [10:45] dwatkins: that doesn't affect what runs server-side [10:48] directhex: server-side in what sense? [10:49] dwatkins: wouldn't help popey! [10:49] I meant everything in terms of 'everything which currently uses flash content' ;) [10:49] ah I see, I wasn't referring to popey's link [10:49] not good that it discloses all that information, either, but that's another issue === schwuk is now known as schwuk_afk [10:56] popey: Interesting that it's just the homepage borked [10:56] http://www.ukdatait.co.uk/callblocker/ [10:57] http://www.silentgard.com/register.aspx even [10:58] hi all [10:59] it s strange to post my question here but i do it [11:00] i m frenh and im going to go to UK, i m young (25), which city recommand me? [11:00] srry for my english :-) [11:00] for tourism or work? [11:01] for tourism [11:01] how long will you be here? [11:01] 2 weeks 1 month [11:01] oh, plenty of time to visit lots of cities ☺ [11:02] jochen1727: I reccomend Oxford :) [11:02] :) [11:02] dwatkins: okay , why? [11:02] jochen1727: http://www.nerdydaytrips.com/ might be useful [11:02] jochen1727: it's a beautiful city, and there are lots of things to do there [11:03] dwatkins: okay [11:03] tou recommand me youth hostels? [11:03] you recommand me youth hostels [11:04] ? [11:04] not specific ones, no - I used to live near there [11:04] they are generally very good, though [11:04] it s not expensive [11:04] * dwatkins goes to lunch [11:04] have a nice trip :) [11:04] popey: oh nice site!! [11:04] i heard that [11:05] dwatkins: camping? === schwuk_afk is now known as schwuk [11:05] but camping with rain !!!!! [11:06] i am afrfaid!!!! [11:06] lool [11:06] afraid srry [11:08] i want to improve my pook english level [11:08] arffff [11:08] poor [11:08] Nothing like talking people face to face and typing with people I guess [11:08] talking to* [11:09] The more you do it, the more it will become more natural [11:09] which hosting recommand me ???not very expensive if possible???? [11:09] My French is rubbish, I can understand it and read it. I Can hardly speak it or write it :/ [11:09] Web hosting ? [11:10] I've used GoDaddy for some very cheap hosting with lot's of bandwith/disc space. [11:10] I run a vps now so couldn't be up to date with anything else [11:11] ohhh wich accommodation, hosting camp? [11:11] not web hosting [11:11] it s a mistake [11:11] srry [11:11] lol ok, Did wonder why the subject changed. [11:11] jochen1727: I recommend, York, London and going to the Computer Museum at Bletchley Park [11:11] jochen1727: If you're after youth hostels, have a look at http://www.yha.org.uk/ [11:12] daubers: thanks [11:12] Camping is great in the UK albeit it can be expensive in places, but with this whether I'd go with Hostels like the others have suggested. [11:13] i heard hostel are very expensive? [11:13] YHA hostels? [11:14] yha in oxford seems to be suggesting £20odd a night, which is pretty cheap for accomodation [11:15] okay [11:15] jochen1727: Hostel aren't as expensive as hotels, but it can depend, you are best off having a look at the hostels hotel and campsite to decide which are the best/cheapest on offer [11:15] a particulary YHA in oxford? [11:16] jochen1727: Oxford is in the south east on their map [11:17] i m afrais too they are many french, thats while i don t going to London [11:17] affraid [11:17] thy are too french at london [11:18] like i want to improve my english [11:18] it s not good with frenchs and it very expensive [11:18] london [11:19] jochen1727: On the other hand it does have Loads to see and do, york is the same but again loads to see and do [11:19] you re nice to help me [11:21] okay for york [11:22] i m going to eat [11:22] thks all Merci beacoup ^^ [11:22] beaucoup [11:22] jochen1727: Oxford is a good bet less to do but lots to see plus bletchley isn't that far away and that is a great day out [11:28] bug 882274 [11:28] Launchpad bug 882274 in unity-2d (Ubuntu) "Community engagement is broken" [Undecided,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882274 [12:06] Bad day bigcalm :) [12:06] * bigcalm grrrrs [12:06] heh [12:07] I'll probably be doing it later === schwuk is now known as schwuk_afk [12:29] bigcalm: on a plus note I got a nice new HD led acer monitor for £99 [12:34] That's nice === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [12:35] bigcalm: I thought so, £179.00 reduced to 110, then 10% off cause it was the last one, ie the showroom model :) [12:37] hello davmor2 [12:38] hello MooDoo you sciving wretch, 'Ow am ya? [12:38] davmor2: cracking lad, :) [12:40] MooDoo: everytime I see you type that I picture you saying it in a Wallace stylee voice [12:50] davmor2: lol, wednesleydale :) [12:51] MooDoo: only issue is I always expect cheese gromit to follow it :D [12:56] anyone in here with a uk netflix account getting US content? === schwuk_afk is now known as schwuk [13:31] sure would be nice if file roller just automatically ignored __MAXOSX folders.. [13:45] Would be nice if .jar files were associated with Java by default :S [13:45] Not treat them as archives [13:46] can't you set it up to do that? [13:46] oh by default, didn't think we installed java by default [13:47] Well, when Java does get installed, it would be nice to have .jar files then associated with Java [13:47] Without the user having to do anything else [13:47] Is Libre Office installed by default? [13:47] Doesn't that use Java? [13:47] no [13:48] I think my confusion comes from OpenOffice being a Sun product, as was Java [13:48] it used to use java [13:48] now it only needs it for some tiny parts [13:48] Oh, so I'm not completely insane [13:48] java sucks anyway [13:48] Of course it does :) [13:48] you know what else sucks? [13:49] bzr [13:49] PHP? [13:49] i've decided it's the CVS for people who hate CVS [13:49] My dyson? [13:49] o.O [13:49] since it doesn't support bisect or cleaning up history it is basically impossible to use the history it creates for anything at all [13:50] so it might as well not exist [13:50] there is a plugin for bisect [13:50] seems the only practical use for it is people who have been told they should use a CVS, but don't actually understand why or how [13:50] gord: yes, and it doesn't work [13:51] it doesn't work for two reasons, only one of which can be fixed in the code [13:51] ali1234: write a bug rather than whine about it, it's the only way it is likely to improve [13:51] oh well, maybe walls of text on irc will fix it [13:51] davmor2: the bug was reported 2 years ago [13:52] ali1234: the history works fine here so maybe you use it differently to me [13:52] i don't for a second believe that my ranting will fix the problem [13:52] ali1234: I'm a pretty basic user of bzr to be fair [13:52] however, it might alert some people to the fact that starting a new project with bzr is an incredibly bad idea [13:54] davmor2: i'll explain. suppose you find a bug in the latest version of your project. you want to know which revision introduced it. you bisect to find it. that means you picka revision half way between head and the last known good version, and test it [13:54] now the problem with bzr is it doesn't allow you to edit history ever, by design [13:55] which means that if you pick a random revision from history it is extremely unlikely to compile [13:55] now the problem is that the bzr bisect plugin does not allow you to skip these broken revisions, and it won't even tell you which revision you are currently trying to test [13:55] which means, the bisect plugin is completely useless! [13:56] it can't do the one and only thing it is supposed to do [13:56] ali1234: or you are using bzr differently to the 100's of canonical staff that do this all the time [13:56] well it's certainly true that i've noticed that canonical finds it extremely difficult to find and fix regression bugs [13:57] this is almost certainly due to the way the tools work [13:58] they encourage writing everything over from scratch rather than fixing the existing bugs [14:04] why would a random revision from history be unlikely to compile? [14:04] because if you commit with a typo there's no way to undo it [14:05] see http://sethrobertson.github.com/GitBestPractices/#sausage [14:05] bzr uncommit [14:07] also, it might compile, but then crash due to an introduced bug that was then fixed in the next commit [15:50] Does Anybody know if there's a way to block any tweets menioning #Euro2012 without not looking at twitter or block users, and if so how? [15:51] yeah, i think certain twitter apps can do it [15:51] tweetdeck may be able to [15:51] I'm already fed up of it [15:51] Why? England lost? [15:51] I'll have a look in destroytwitter settings [15:51] dunno, i dont care [15:51] the game hasn't even started yet [15:52] seriously though, when you're tired of people talking about banal sporting events, b-list celebs, and last nights reality TV shows, you're bored of twitter and should just leave and go on google+ instead [15:52] Then you get Alans talking about Ubuntu [15:52] and get flooded with fab talking about it [15:53]