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highvoltageScottK: yay!00:18
highvoltage(and thanks)00:18
ScottKyofel: Those are the source that the .png's are made from.01:36
ScottKSo we need them in source, but not binary.01:36
ScottKAIUI anyway.01:37
JontheEchidna^yup01:37
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carnivalehaii06:30
micahgneeds kubuntu review: Bug #1011937 (tried subscribing kubuntu-dev, but realized that would end up spamming about 85 people (and am hoping that won't happen)07:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1011937 in libqalculate (Ubuntu) "PLease merge libqalculate 0.9.7-7 from Debian sid" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101193707:01
micahgRiddell: ScottK: would you mind if I set kubuntu-devel@l.u.c as the contact for the kubuntu-dev team?07:12
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vibhavCan anybody have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqalculate/+bug/1011937 ?07:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1011937 in libqalculate (Ubuntu) "PLease merge libqalculate 0.9.7-7 from Debian sid" [Undecided,Incomplete]07:33
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debfxbeta 2 report is up: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/4.8.90.htm07:44
debfxlots of fixing to do07:44
Riddellmicahg: that seems fine, why is it needed?08:04
Riddelldebfx: wow impressive, well done08:05
Riddellvibhav: can do in a bit08:05
yofeldebfx: yay (does that use list-missing?)08:07
yofeler, I mean not-installed08:07
debfxyofel: yep08:07
Riddelldebfx: so e.g. kate, why is that not green?08:07
RiddellI can't see any missing build deps or --list-missing output08:08
debfxRiddell: because of the "Could NOT find SharedMimeInfo"08:08
yofel-- Could NOT find SharedMimeInfo  (missing:  UPDATE_MIME_DATABASE_EXECUTABLE)  (Required is at least version "0.30"08:08
yofeli believe08:08
Riddellah hah08:08
debfxhighlighting the problems in the cmake output is on my todo list08:09
Riddelldebfx: and you weren't excessively fristrated by launchpad being slow when building things?08:10
Riddellfrustrated08:10
yofelthat depends on how fast you need things. IMO it's tolerable, but you won't get the whole KDE SC done within a day if things break08:11
yofelour private ppa has a high enough priority anyway so we don't need to way that long for things to build08:12
debfxyeah I think it's good enough for us08:13
yofel*wait08:14
Riddellthat's true, the private one is high priority08:15
yofelhttps://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/BuildScores - for builds in staging or so we could upload with medium urgency (I do that sometimes)08:16
yofelwe shouldn't really need that though08:17
apachelogger-./usr/share/man/man1/dragon.108:39
apacheloggertime to reimplement list-missing proper I guess08:39
apacheloggerin make \o/08:39
Riddellvibhav: you've a couple comments on that qalculate merge on things that can be simplified, are you able to do those or shall I just do them during prep&upload?09:12
apachelogger27/49 votes10:15
Riddellapachelogger: all the candidates are so good, I don't know how to choose between them!10:24
apacheloggerI know10:24
apacheloggernext time we should just roll a dice, less of a headache :)10:25
BluesKajHey all10:57
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Riddellvibhav: voila12:06
Riddellthanks for helping ubuntu12:06
Quintasan\o12:11
RiddellQuintasan: fix fix! http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/4.8.90.htm12:11
* Quintasan sighs12:12
QuintasanRiddell: any ideas why kiten on i386 is FTBFS when it built just fine?12:14
RiddellQuintasan: I think it's red in debfx's script because it has a list-missing file12:15
* Quintasan looks at kde-workspace12:15
Riddellwhich is fine12:15
Riddelland that file is in the debian/not-installed file so it's just debfx's script not reading debian/not-installed12:17
Quintasanurgh12:17
Quintasanuploading workspace will be a hell12:17
RiddellQuintasan: why?  bandwidth?12:18
Quintasanmore like the upload speed12:18
RiddellQuintasan: need an ec2?12:19
QuintasanRiddell: If possible12:19
debfxRiddell: kiten's not-installed has an invalid syntax. comments are only allowed in separate lines.12:19
Quintasandebfx: Should I change that?12:19
debfxQuintasan: I've already uploaded the kde-workspace orig tarball so you don't have to upload it again12:19
debfxQuintasan: yes, please12:19
Quintasandebfx: Thanks and ok.12:20
QuintasanRiddell: No need for ec2 then, thanks anyways12:20
Riddelldebfx: invalid according to whom?12:22
debfxRiddell: according to pkg-kde-tools12:23
Riddelldebfx: file a bug with debian while you're doing it then12:26
RiddellQuintasan rather not debfx 12:26
CIA-45[kiten] Michal Zajac * 35 * debian/not-installed Fixed not-installed syntax so pkg-kde-tools doesnt complain12:26
Quintasandebfx: I'm not uploading that to quantal, not that important.12:28
* Quintasan looks at kde-workspace again12:29
RiddellQuintasan: but do put it in bzr12:29
QuintasanI think I did that, unless kbzr is bugged12:30
QuintasanThen I'll bash apachelogger12:30
* Riddell looks into kdepim-runtime12:33
QuintasanRiddell: It doesn't build?12:34
QuintasanOh wait, Kolab magic12:34
QuintasanRiddell: I'm not sure it works with Kolab12:34
Riddellalso a libkgapi needed12:34
Riddell!newpackage libkgapi12:34
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about newpackage libkgapi12:34
Riddellkubotu: newpackage libkgapi12:34
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newpackage'12:34
Riddellkubotu: help newpackage12:35
kubotunewpackage <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package.12:35
kubotunewversion <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds update bug for existing package.12:35
Quintasanoh12:35
Quintasanneat12:35
Riddellkubotu: newpackage libkgapi 0.4.0 for kdepim-runtime12:35
kubotuPackage libkgapi already exists!12:35
Riddellmm, no it doesn't12:35
QuintasanNow if we can get assign fuction12:35
Riddellapachelogger: kubotu is wrong!12:36
apacheloggerkubotu: you are wrong12:36
apacheloggerRiddell: tell that to yofel12:36
Riddellbug 101210312:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1012103 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libkgapi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101210312:37
apacheloggerRiddell, yofel: perhaps it does a binary check rather than a source check?12:37
Riddellthere isn't any source, I think it's just checking it exists in launchpad at all which isn't enough12:37
QuintasanRiddell: If that thing is not using qmake I think I can get it done12:41
jtechidnalibkgapi is in new queue12:41
Riddellaah12:41
jtechidnafeel free to review :)12:42
Quintasanoh jtechidna12:42
* Quintasan hugs jtechidna12:42
jtechidna:)12:42
QuintasanRiddell: One has to have archive admin powers to review stuff in main?12:43
RiddellQuintasan: yes12:44
Quintasannext stop for Quintasan -> archive admin12:44
Quintasanthough that would require great insight into policy12:45
Quintasannot sure if I want to know all that stuff12:45
RiddellQuintasan: yes you'd need to show you had wide and deep experience with policy and licencing needs12:45
Riddelland be a core dev12:45
Riddellthen I'm sure you'd be snapped up12:46
QuintasanI think I'll stick with being core-dev if I ever make it there12:46
Riddelljtechidna: accepted!12:49
jtechidnathanks!12:49
* Quintasan fires up make -j32 and prays he doesnt run oom12:49
jtechidnaAny word on whether the Kubuntu packageset will mostly be moved to universe?12:49
jtechidna-j4 forces me to use swap :s12:49
Quintasanlol12:49
Quintasanjtechidna: how much memory do you have12:49
jtechidna4 GB12:49
Quintasan@_@12:50
Riddelljtechidna: yes it will, just waiting on cjwatson to do that12:50
QuintasanI have 8GB12:50
jtechidnaQuintasan: there is some overhead, which would be about the same for both of us12:50
Riddelljtechidna: CD limit is now 1GB and are built from universe (although no CDs of any flavour this week for unknown reasons)12:50
jtechidnaRiddell: great12:50
QuintasanRiddell: What will stay in main?12:51
QuintasanQt will be there for sure, are they moving all KDE stuff?12:51
RiddellQuintasan: whatever something else in main build-deps on12:51
QuintasanAh12:51
QuintasanI see12:51
jtechidnaI was thinking libkgapi would probably need a symbols file for a MIR, if required. But even if it doesn't, I'll add it in an upload.12:51
RiddellQuintasan: he posted a list to kubuntu-devel12:51
* Quintasan is too scared to open that12:51
QuintasanI had my share of notawesome on the kde-packagers today12:52
Quintasanuhh12:52
QuintasanKrap12:53
QuintasanI guess we are still double-building kwin12:53
RiddellQuintasan: kde-packager list?  I don't see anything from you12:53
QuintasanThe whole "discussion" fills me with disgust.12:54
QuintasanI was tempted to respond but decided not to add any more fuel to that12:54
RiddellQuintasan: kdelibs stuff?  I've been mostly ignoring it12:55
QuintasanWell, I intended to do so but the thread was getting longer and longer and I thought something might have really happened12:56
ScottKQuintasan: It looks like a soprano patch will sort things.12:57
ScottKhttp://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=133950457802942&w=212:58
RiddellQuintasan, jtechidna, yofel, debfx: I've edited the pad to be only the packages still with issues, please add your name and the status when you're working on them http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas13:00
RiddellScottK: I think the double bars aren't necessary on the pad, it's just a legacy from the wiki13:04
Riddellin my opinion13:04
ScottKOK.  Just following the pattern.13:04
ScottKOK.  No can haz soprano until mysql is fixed.13:44
RiddellScottK: really?13:48
Riddellsince when did it use mysql?13:48
ScottKIt doesn't.  librdf0-dev : Depends: libmysqlclient-dev but it is not going to be installed13:48
ScottKBuild-dep is uninstallable on !i386 at the moment.13:49
Riddellfooey13:50
CIA-45[kde-workspace] Michal Zajac * 655 * debian/ (changelog kde-window-manager-common.install) Fixed install files13:59
QuintasanRiddell: workspace should build fine now14:00
RiddellQuintasan: updates in ninjas and bzr ?14:01
QuintasanRiddell: Yeah14:02
RiddellQuintasan: lovelyness14:04
debfxRiddell: I don't think kate actually needs shared-mime-info, it just wants to run update-mime-database which makes no sense in the package build14:04
Riddelldebfx: aah, maybe14:05
Riddelldebfx: however it makes your script turn green so worth having just for that maybe, I'm adding qjson to ark for the same reason (only needed for unit tests which we don't compile)14:20
debfxRiddell: I have an ignore list for that14:21
Riddelldebfx: oh, in your script?14:21
debfxyes, however there seems to be a bug in the ark cmake script14:22
debfxinstead of "could not find qjson" it displays "CMake Warning at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/MacroOptionalFindPackage.cmake ..."14:23
Riddellmm yeah14:23
Riddelldebfx: so I can just add the build-dep to stop another yellow warning that would need to be invesigated each time?14:25
debfxRiddell: you can just tell me to extend https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/cmake-ignore.json14:27
Riddelldebfx: ok, please extend https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/cmake-ignore.json :)14:28
debfx^^14:29
debfxI have already added kate and ark14:29
Riddelllovely14:29
Riddelldebfx: I'll remove the build-dep from kate then14:29
Riddelldebfx: for kross-interpreters it's requesting ruby and falcon, I'm not going to add them cos I don't think anything uses them14:32
jtechidnaI heard that non-canonical archive admins can do package removals now?14:33
ScottKjtechidna: We can.14:33
jtechidnacool14:34
jtechidnaif one of you could take a look at bug 1012151, it would be appreciated14:34
* jtechidna slaps ubottu14:34
ubottuError: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1012151 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012151). The error has been logged14:34
* ScottK blames launchpad.14:34
jtechidnafair point :P14:34
ScottKI don't think I can do the sync blacklist though.14:35
ScottKRiddell: Can we do sync blacklist changes?14:35
RiddellScottK: I've no idea14:36
RiddellScottK: sync stuff all got rewritten by cjwatson recently14:37
Riddelldebfx: I'm also not adding ruby to kdewebdev, not a build-time thing14:37
jtechidnaKnights is the other 3rd-party package using libkdegames, but its upstream is fairly active so there's still hope14:40
ScottKRiddell: run time checks in KDE build systems seem like common issues since (AIUI) for people who build directly from upstream source the distinction is less important.  Such things seem like bugs that ought to be reported/fixed upstream.14:42
RiddellScottK: it's unclear how to fix them upstream, a build time check is still a useful thing to have for people who build from source and for packagers who need told of runtime deps14:44
Riddellit's why I kept it for printer-applet with a cmake flag to override it14:44
Riddellbut I think the cmake flag doesn't stop it complaining which is a bug14:44
ScottKI think that's a useful middle ground since, as you say, there isn't a really good solution at the moment.14:45
debfxRiddell: kdewebdev, kross-interpreters, ark and kate are green now14:56
Riddellyay14:57
Riddelldebfx: you're on a roll14:57
yofeleveningz14:59
Riddellyo yo yofel 15:00
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BluesKajhaving a dependency prob in 4.8.80, ffmpeg and libav-tools depends are in the vicious cycle = dependency hell :/15:38
RiddellBluesKaj: installed from where?15:39
BluesKaj12.10 repos15:43
BluesKajhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1037423/15:44
Riddell/usr/include/boost/spirit/home/qi/parse.hpp:83:9: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault15:51
Riddellwhen compiling rocs.  ouch15:51
BluesKajthe terminal prompt insists on opening at ~/Documents15:51
BluesKajkaj@Test-Drive:~/Documents$ 15:52
RiddellBluesKaj: do you know what wants to install ffmpeg and what wants to install libav-tools ?15:52
BluesKajI do 15:52
BluesKajRiddell, ^15:53
RiddellBluesKaj: and.. ?15:53
debfxRiddell: shadeslayer_ is our resident gcc bug reporter ;)15:53
BluesKajI'm trying to install it manually since it's missing 15:53
Riddellshadeslayer_: rocs is needing some gcc bugage!15:54
Riddelldebfx: for the precise backport it seems a good idea to build it in -ninjas again15:56
Riddellbut I think ninjas has your 4.8.4 packages still15:56
debfxhm staging already has 4.8.80 :(15:59
Riddelldebfx: that can be deleted15:59
Riddellsince it's old news now15:59
debfxok, let's see how klearppa works16:00
debfxImportError: No module named KubuntuDevTools.launchpad :(16:01
* debfx adds PYTHONPATH16:02
apacheloggerduemduem16:03
jtechidnait's probably bug 101089616:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010896 in gcc-4.7 (Ubuntu) "Internal compiler error compiling c++ source files using boost. The same file compiles ok with 12.04 and gcc 4.7 from toolchain ppa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101089616:05
micahgRiddell: the address should be set on the team so that if kubuntu-dev is subscribed to something, it doesn't spam 85 devs, but sends it to the mailing list16:07
apacheloggerwhy is kubuntu-dev subscribed somewhere?16:08
* apachelogger goes all fistwave on multiarch16:10
debfxbug #1010896 has been fixed :)16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010896 in gcc-4.7 (Ubuntu) "Internal compiler error compiling c++ source files using boost. The same file compiles ok with 12.04 and gcc 4.7 from toolchain ppa" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101089616:12
Riddellmicahg: aye go ahead then16:13
debfxdo we really want bugmail on the kubuntu-devel list?16:14
apacheloggerno16:15
apacheloggerkubuntu-bugs16:15
apachelogger!16:15
apacheloggeror some null address, kubuntu-dev ought not be subscribed to anything anywhere16:15
Riddellmicahg: ^^16:16
micahgdebfx: this is if someone specifically needs kubuntu devs to review something, a null address would work as well (it's also nice to see where to send mail to the team)16:18
micahgapachelogger: I'm speaking of a manual subscription like I did last night16:19
apacheloggermicahg: someone would then want kubuntu-members to review something, not kubuntu-dev16:19
apacheloggerelitst--16:19
micahgapachelogger: kubuntu members for kubuntu in general, kubuntu-devs for developer questions16:19
micahgbut the general idea is to have an address set so that people can see how to contact the team16:20
micahgor that if the team gets subscribed to some artifact, it goes to a sane place instead of the inbox of all the members16:21
apacheloggermicahg: so it would still be kubuntu-devel@uc16:21
micahgapachelogger: yes, that's what I was suggesting16:21
apacheloggersame as kubuntu-members16:21
apacheloggermicahg: all goody then16:21
apacheloggerpeople who subscribe the list somewhere pointless get a beatin from debfx then :P16:22
* apachelogger scuttles off to organize rebuilds16:22
micahgoh, hrm, that seems a little weird (having kubuntu-devel as the address for kubuntu-members), but if it works for you folk, so be it :)16:22
micahgI'm guessing I can't set the same contact address twice though16:23
apacheloggermicahg: I think the list was there first, so that simply got used for all and everything16:23
micahgah, ok, historical perspective is nice :)16:24
apacheloggermicahg: and that setting twice issue is bringing me back to the point that kubuntu-members is the authority and not kubuntu-dev :P16:24
* apachelogger suspects launchpad gets a mapping problem there as it likes to map maintainers and whatnot to actual teams with that address16:24
micahgapachelogger: kubuntu members can't tell me if a change needs to be dropped in a package though :)16:25
micahg*reliably tell me, nor can the membership of kubuntu-dev16:25
micahgit's really quite frustrating :)16:25
micahgbut then again, all the flavor dev teams have the same issue (but I think they all have ML addresses set)16:26
apacheloggerdepends on whether one looks at it from a political or practical POV16:26
* micahg tries to stay away from the politics and stick to the practical16:27
apacheloggerwell.... the KC being almighty and whatnot is representing -members, so I suppose at any rate a KC ay/nay is always outweighing anything a kubuntu-dev member says ;)16:29
apachelogger(surprisingly enough no one ever bothered to give kubuntu-dev as a collective any authority other than approving new members for kubuntu-dev)16:30
apacheloggermicahg: maybe just have a launchpad list for kubuntu-dev and subscribe kubuntu-devel to that?16:30
apacheloggeror have the sysadmins make a mail alias kubuntu-dev -> kubuntu-devel16:31
apacheloggerPlease try again16:42
apacheloggerSorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.16:42
* apachelogger sighs16:42
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ScottKkubuntu-devel discards posts from non-subscribers anyway, so I think sending bugmail there ~ sending to /dev/null.17:03
shadeslayer_Riddell: already reported17:06
shadeslayer_Riddell: it's a bug in 4.7.1 specifically17:06
shadeslayer_hmm ... looks like they fixed it17:07
* shadeslayer_ retries digikam17:08
shadeslayer_herp derp17:13
shadeslayer_question, is it normal for -dev packages to contain so versions?17:15
jtechidnathey usually only contain the non-versioned symlink to the versioned .so files17:17
shadeslayer_hm .. libexpat1-dev looks like a exception then17:17
shadeslayer_another question, say a package hasn't been officially uploaded to the debian archive, but, debian packaging for it exists, and I want to sync the packaging in ubuntu, do I just copy over the packaging and lose the entire changelog?17:54
shadeslayer_or do I merge by hand preserving the changelog17:54
Mamarokapachelogger: in the beta PPA there is no dragon, no kmix and no Juk, but those are needed for kdemultimedia18:25
apacheloggercause they aint packaged for .8018:26
apacheloggerwhcih is why I suggested .80 should not be published...18:26
MamarokOK18:26
Mamarokdoesn't make sense indeed18:26
ScottKMost of those didn't have proper licensing for .80 either.19:17
ScottKFixed in .90 AIUI though.19:17
debfxyofel: does launchpad always take that long to copy packages from a ppa to another?19:31
debfxI've started it like half an hour ago and it's still not finished19:34
yofeldebfx: depends on the backend load, I've had it taking over half an hour already in the past, so not unusual - for the whole SC at least, single packages shouldn't take that long19:36
debfxit finished \o/19:43
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1011961] sftp connection with password fails @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011961 (by Arrigo Marchiori)20:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1011961 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu) "sftp connection with password fails" [Undecided,New]20:08
dantti_laptopapachelogger:  starting to get usefull :P http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/12/plasma-desktopgk1991.png20:22
dantti_laptopbbl20:23
claydohjust bumping: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SteveRiley21:05
apacheloggerclaydoh: why are we bumping?21:51
ScottKMySQL is fixed (FSVO fixed), so soprano is building now.  should have 23:17
ScottK... .57 within an hour modulo publisher run timing.23:18
ScottKclaydoh: Is he applying for membership?23:20
SteveRileyScottK: yes, i am :)23:36
ScottKGreat. It would be good to get more than one endorsement.23:38
ScottKAlso, please show up at the meeting with an opinion about owncloud.  Since you're a cloud dude, I'll be asking.23:39
SteveRileyi have asked the other kfn admins to contribute23:40
SteveRileyand yes, i do have some opinions about owncloud. been playing with one installation on amazon web services and another one at home23:41

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