[02:44] <msdaisy> hello all, I'm studying linux permissions and I don't understand how you would see this: -rwsr-S--t.  I would only expect this: -rw-r-----  What command would you use to get the first result?
[02:44] <msdaisy> I know ls -l will give you the second result.
[02:47] <escott> msdaisy, i think thats setuid, setgid and sticky bit
[02:47] <msdaisy> yes it is. But how do you get bash to report that?
[02:48] <escott> msdaisy, stat?
[02:49] <msdaisy> is there a variable that goes with stat? because I just get the expected result with stat.
[02:50] <escott> msdaisy, i dont understand what you want exactly
[02:50] <msdaisy> I don't either- that's probably the problem :)
[02:50] <escott> msdaisy, are you asking how you would go about chmod'ding a file to make it that set of permissions?
[02:51] <msdaisy> When would I see -rwsr-S--t ?  Why wouldn't I just see rwx only?  I'm getting this from here: http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/aunix1/filepermissions.htm just above the "Files" section.
[02:52] <escott> msdaisy, so the lowercase s means setuid/setgid non-executable, the capital S means setuid/setgid and executable
[02:52] <escott> iirc
[02:54] <msdaisy> how is that different from ---x or ----?
[02:54] <escott> msdaisy, you want to know what setuid/gid do?
[02:54] <msdaisy> yes.
[02:55] <escott> depends on it being a file or folder
[02:55] <escott> on files that are marked S meaning setuid and executable the file executes with the uid/gid of the owner. so this is used for things like "mount"
[02:56] <msdaisy> ah, setuid is used to temporarily elevate privileges too.
[02:56] <escott> which allows non-priviledged users to perform priviledged operations (subject to the restrictions of the application in the mount case entry must be in the fstab)
[02:57] <escott> msdaisy, inspecting ls -l `which mount` shows im wrong. maybe s means setuid without executable
[02:58] <msdaisy> The SUID bit displays as an "S" in the owner's execute column of the output.  If the execute bit is also set then an "s" is used.  (from the link I posted)
[03:00] <msdaisy> thanks for the help escott , I will continue to read.
[03:01] <escott> on folders it means that new files get set to the same permissions
[03:02] <escott> msdaisy, im not sure when you would ever have setuid/gid without execute, or what that would mean
[03:34] <msdaisy> escott, that's what was confusing me.  I think i just need to read more about setuid/gid in general.
[03:34] <escott> msdaisy, my guess is the capital S is to indicate "you probably got this wrong and want something else"
[05:41] <Matpick> Hello, a beginner here, having some issues installing Ubuntu anyone here willing to help me out?
[05:42] <nothingspecial> well I'm in here
[05:42] <nothingspecial> lol
[05:42] <nothingspecial> what's up Matpick
[05:43] <Matpick> Well I formated my disk getting rid of Windows and wanting to install Ubuntu only
[05:43] <nothingspecial> ok
[05:43] <Matpick> now i ran it with the disc when i go and click install its telling me I dont have 4.4 GB of space to install Ubuntu
[05:43] <Matpick> My hdd is 1TB
[05:44] <nothingspecial> is it unallocated space or is there a partition there
[05:44] <Matpick> Kind of stuck now since I can only run ubuntu using CD and Windows is also gone
[05:44] <Matpick> Im not really sure, I formated it using the Windows 7 Install Disc :/ which I know isnt the right way to do it
[05:44] <nothingspecial> press the super (windows key) and start typing "gparted"
[05:45] <nothingspecial> open the gparted partition editor and have a look at what you've got
[05:45] <Matpick> Yeah I tried GParted after Googling it but that says no devices detected.
[05:46] <wilee-nilee> Matpick, hit alt-f2 then type unity --reset then try again, if this is a ubuntu cd
[05:46] <Matpick> Didnt want to ask any dumb questions so I have been on google trying to fix this for at least two hours but im stuck..
[05:46] <nothingspecial> can you see the drive from the live cd at all?
[05:46] <wilee-nilee> unity has a habit of being mucked up
[05:47] <Matpick> typed it, screen was blinking for a little bit now im back
[05:47] <stlsaint> i dont think thats the issue. That 1TB is formatted wrong possibly
[05:47] <Matpick> Ran GParted again still no devices detected
[05:48] <Matpick> I do think my 1TB might be wrongly formated.. not sure how I can fix that though
[05:48] <nothingspecial> press Ctrl-Alt-T to run a terminal and type
[05:48] <nothingspecial> sudo fdisk -l
[05:48] <nothingspecial> it'll ask for a password, just hit enter
[05:49] <nothingspecial> can you see your drive listed?
[05:49] <Matpick> dont think so
[05:50] <Matpick> i see bunch of letters like b c h u v etc. and with some text next to it but nothing that looks like my drive
[05:50] <Matpick> b <size> sector size (512, 1024, 2048 or 4096)
[05:50] <Matpick> that type of thing
[05:51] <Matpick> fdisk [options] <disk> change partition table
[05:51] <nothingspecial> silly, obvious question coming
[05:51] <nothingspecial> you sure it's connected correctly?
[05:52] <Matpick> Well I had Windows on it just hour ago and computer was working fine
[05:52] <stlsaint> Matpick: are you using one or two drives?
[05:52] <Matpick> only one
[05:52] <Matpick> Single 1TB drive
[05:53] <stlsaint> Matpick: do you mind installing a application called pastebinit?
[05:54] <Matpick> i guess not, what does it do
[05:54] <stlsaint> just gonna allow us to see your command outputs
[05:54] <stlsaint> via a website
[05:54] <Matpick> I was reading something on the net about the way driveis conected something about SATA and SATAIII or something but I dont understand it
[05:54] <Matpick> sure ill google it now
[05:54] <stlsaint> Matpick: SATA is fine. As long as you dont have multiple
[05:55] <stlsaint> Matpick: no google needed
[05:55] <stlsaint> Matpick: open a terminal and enter: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[05:55] <nothingspecial> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[05:55] <nothingspecial> in your terminal, again just enter throught the password
[05:55] <stlsaint> nothingspecial: tsk tsk...to slow lol
[05:55] <Matpick> ok done
[05:56] <stlsaint> Matpick: in terminal enter:
[05:56] <stlsaint> Matpick: sudo fdisk -l
[05:56] <stlsaint> sorry
[05:56] <stlsaint> Matpick: sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[05:56] <stlsaint> and paste the url you get here
[05:56] <nothingspecial> then paste url here
[05:56] <nothingspecial> :)
[05:56] <stlsaint> nothingspecial: lol  thats twice ;)
[05:56] <stlsaint> quick on the keys lol
[05:57] <stlsaint> Matpick: just copy and paste the output here
[05:57] <Matpick> Cant im on the different computer at the moment
[05:57] <Matpick> On the laptop
[05:57] <Matpick> But I guess I can relog on the one running ubuntu
[05:57] <stlsaint> o_O
[05:57] <nothingspecial> come back from the live cd
[05:58] <stlsaint> does the ubuntu computer have internet?
[05:58] <nothingspecial> but I have to go to work
[05:58] <nothingspecial> I'll have to leave you in these capable hands
[05:58] <stlsaint> ha
[05:58] <Matpick> yeah im on the net on it
[05:58] <nothingspecial> hope you get it sorted Matpick :)
[05:59] <Matpick> Thanks for your help
[05:59] <MatpickUbuntu> Ok on ubuntu comp now
[05:59] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: well no need for Matpick now
[05:59] <MatpickUbuntu> yeah just want to be on incase something stuffs up with this ne
[06:00] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: arlight paste that url from the commdn
[06:00] <stlsaint> command
[06:00] <MatpickUbuntu> Yeah, it said pastebinit is not located
[06:00] <stlsaint> that means you didnt install it
[06:00] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[06:01] <MatpickUbuntu> I
[06:01] <MatpickUbuntu> Yup doneit again now its sayig unable to locate package pastebinit
[06:02] <stlsaint> alright screw it, just paste the output into paste.ubuntu.com and send url here
[06:02] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: paste output of command: sudo fdisk -l
[06:02] <MatpickUbuntu> is that - L ? or 1
[06:03] <stlsaint> lowercase
[06:03] <MatpickUbuntu> yeah it doesnt do anything
[06:04] <stlsaint> no space between the - and l
[06:04] <stlsaint> fdisk -l
[06:04] <stlsaint> sudo fdisk -l
[06:04] <MatpickUbuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[06:05] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: enter command: sudo lshw -C disk
[06:05] <MatpickUbuntu> CPUID
[06:05] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: paste output in paste.ubuntu.com
[06:05] <MatpickUbuntu> Doing it now
[06:06] <MatpickUbuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1036681/
[06:10] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: considering that linux does not see your drive im thinking you will need to re-format with a boot disk
[06:11] <MatpickUbuntu> Will I be able to burn it since im running ubuntu through a disc?
[06:11] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: you said you had another computer right?
[06:11] <MatpickUbuntu> MacBook AIr .. no Cd :(
[06:11] <stlsaint> ok, will have to use usb than
[06:12] <MatpickUbuntu> Got plenty of those
[06:13] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: i am a personal fan of UBCD
[06:14] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: download the iso from one of the mirrors listed below and use a application called unetbootin to install to usb
[06:14] <stlsaint> sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[06:14] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: here is UBCD site: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html
[06:15] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: if that CD cant get your drive to a read ready state with fat32 or ntfs format than nothing will :)
[06:15] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: 1. Download from site UBCD ISO
[06:16] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: 2. In ubuntu open terminal and enter: sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[06:16] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: 3. Plug in USB to ubuntu system and open Unetbootin from menus
[06:16] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: 4. Select the "Have ISO" option and ensure that /dev/sdb is listed in the usb section of unetbooin
[06:17] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: 5. Select the ISO from your system and start. Boot to the usb after its done and try and format that drive
[06:17] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: i must head to bed, 0120AM here
[06:18] <MatpickUbuntu> Thanks for help mate hopefully it will work :)
[06:18] <MatpickUbuntu> sudo apt-get install unetbootin .. for some reason it siad it cant find unetbootin :/
[06:18] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: if not just come back tomorrow, ill be here ;)
[06:18] <stlsaint> ><
[06:18] <stlsaint> are you sure you have internet on that system?
[06:18] <MatpickUbuntu> Im on it now
[06:18] <MatpickUbuntu> Writing from it
[06:18] <stlsaint> your not joshing me?? o_O
[06:18] <stlsaint> oh alright
[06:19] <MatpickUbuntu> Im not
[06:19] <MatpickUbuntu> Full 100% serious.. its frustrating me :(
[06:19] <MatpickUbuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[06:19] <stlsaint> ah forgot you may have to enable the sources.
[06:19] <MatpickUbuntu> How do I do that
[06:20] <stlsaint> you see that bar to your right
[06:20] <stlsaint> aye left
[06:20] <MatpickUbuntu> Yup
[06:20] <stlsaint> hit the top ubuntu symbol button and type in update manager
[06:21] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: give me a sec, booting up vm
[06:22] <MatpickUbuntu> yup
[06:22] <MatpickUbuntu> found the thing and opened it
[06:24] <stlsaint> ok you should see a option that says: CD-ROM
[06:26] <MatpickUbuntu> I have Settings, Check, Install Updates and Close
[06:26] <stlsaint> nope, one sec
[06:26] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: hit settings button
[06:27] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: Click first tab, "Ubuntu Software"
[06:27] <stlsaint> select the "Main"
[06:27] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: then hit close
[06:27] <MatpickUbuntu> Yup
[06:28] <MatpickUbuntu> E: Unable to locate package unetbootin
[06:28] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: did everything reload? Packages should have reloaded
[06:29] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: screw it, easypeasy, go here, hit download button
[06:29] <stlsaint> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[06:29] <stlsaint> for linux
[06:30] <MatpickUbuntu> there we go, so that will help me make that USB bootable right?
[06:30] <stlsaint> yep, follow the directions on that site
[06:30] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: see on that site scroll down to the first pic where it says Diskimage
[06:30] <stlsaint> the second radial button on the pic
[06:31] <MatpickUbuntu> ok newbie questions.. i cant open the unebooting program i downloaded =/
[06:31] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: make sure to select the ubcd iso there and where it says Type: make sure your USB shows up where you see C;\
[06:31] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: lol
[06:32] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: open terminal: cd Downloads && sudo dpkg -i unetbootin.blah.blah
[06:32] <stlsaint> whatever the file is
[06:32] <MatpickUbuntu> is there a way i can share my screen or something haha im such an idiot i know
[06:32] <MatpickUbuntu> Could not display "/home/ubuntu/Downloads/unetbootin-linux-575".
[06:33] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: lol why are you trying to display
[06:33] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: first command: cd Downloads
[06:33] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: then enter: sudo dpkg -i unetbootin-linux-575
[06:33] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: better yet right click the unetbootin file and choose install with software center
[06:34] <MatpickUbuntu> Errors were encountered while processing:  unetbootin-linux-575
[06:34] <MatpickUbuntu> i swear i have the worst luck :(
[06:35] <stlsaint> lol naw, you see on that site it has a button for MAC :D
[06:35] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: dont you have a MAC ;)
[06:35] <MatpickUbuntu> i should do it on my mac, good idea :D
[06:35] <MatpickUbuntu> my first linux ecperiences not so great :P but i wont give up
[06:35] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: naw its this TB drive format issue
[06:36] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: nothing at ubuntu's fault
[06:37] <MatpickUbuntu> I know
[06:37] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: you got it from here?
[06:37] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: wait, one more link
[06:38] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/index.html
[06:39] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: what you want is under the Hard Disk tools, on that link scroll down to the Partition management block
[06:39] <MatpickUbuntu> yeah
[06:39] <stlsaint> all the apps at your fingertips
[06:39] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: alright man hope it works out, im sure you will enjoy ubuntu
[06:39] <stlsaint> MatpickUbuntu: later man
[06:40] <MatpickUbuntu> see ya
[06:40] <MatpickUbuntu> thanks for the help
[06:41] <stlsaint> no prob
[08:06] <tenach> o.
[08:06] <tenach> o/
[15:52] <bobweaver> Hello there I will be teaching a Class On How to find some troubles that you read about on the Ubuntu Forums and fixes ,How to make Packages (Debian) For these Troubles. Think about it as a crash cource in packaging. What we will be doing. We will be looking a a b43 driver(wireless broadcom) and the awaful "missing firmware" Bug. There is a fix for this on the forums But I think it would be best If There where Pacakages for theses
[15:52] <bobweaver> Fixs. Who knows maybe a team might form to bring Ubuntu Forums and Ubuntu Motu closer. Things that are needed Teamvier you can get deb for that here. http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
[15:53] <bobweaver> Other tools that are needed
[15:53] <bobweaver> ubuntu-dev-tools , dpkg-dev, dh-make,
[15:53] <bobweaver> WHEN June 14th 2012, 11:30 am 0700 UDT too 1pm
[15:53] <bobweaver> WHERE #ubuntu-classroom
[15:53] <Meridious> cool story bro
[16:14] <SergioMeneses> bobweaver, great!...
[16:18] <bobweaver> SergioMeneses,   hope to see you there :)
[16:19] <SergioMeneses> bobweaver, me too xD
[16:19] <SergioMeneses> if I don't have to work I will be present ;)
[16:54] <raubvogel> bobweaver: I myself will probably be there
[16:54] <bobweaver> Good news then
[19:11] <Dandaman3452_> have problem with ext4 filesystem ,sorry for outlinking but this will explain best without spaming http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/uy72d/help_needed_not_a_noob/
[19:18] <Dandaman3452_> Bump ^
[19:20] <philipballew_> must be a forums person
[20:55] <Meridious> So how is everybody today?