[07:39] <thorwil> godbyk: hi! a bit late to mention it, but one issue i see with "click-and-hold" is that "click" refers to mouse-button-press-and-release
[07:40] <godbyk> thorwil: Agreed. I think the hyphenate detracts from that notion a bit, though.
[07:41] <godbyk> I guess generally, I'd use "press-and-hold" when I was trying to first describe dragging something..
[07:41] <godbyk> but then afterward just say "drag".
[07:41] <godbyk> I think "click-and-hold" is supposed to refer more to a "long press" of the mouse button.
[07:41] <godbyk> e.g., what you had to do on old Macs to bring up the context menu (since you only had one mouse button).
[07:42] <godbyk> (I think you could also use Option+click or some other modifier, too.)
[07:42] <thorwil> yes. drag only matches, if there's an object that can be dragged. it's not a good fit for interactions like using a menu within one "click"
[07:42] <godbyk> We should try to be consistent with the GNOME documentation as long as they're not too far off base. (I'm not against overriding their opinion if I think they're in error. :-))
[07:43] <godbyk> I should've made the menu example more explicit. I was referring to the Mac-style context menus, not the typical pull-down menus.
[07:45] <thorwil> how about just "hold the (left) mouse button"?
[07:46] <godbyk> That could work, too.
[07:47] <godbyk> I guess I'd have to see where we're using it in the manual to offer a more specific opinion.
[07:47] <godbyk> The examples Hannie cited seem more amenable to "drag," but that presupposes that the reader knows how to do that.
[07:48] <godbyk> Having said that, we did long ago establish that we assume the reader has basic computer skills (i.e., knows how to turn the computer on, how to use the keyboard and mouse, etc.) and presumably some of the common terminology that goes along with all that.
[07:50] <thorwil> if we assume readers might not understand "drag", then the pertinent thing to do is explaining it once
[07:53] <thorwil> godbyk-tablet: what kind of tablet?
[07:53] <godbyk-tablet> Asus Transformer Prime
[07:56] <thorwil> nice. "transforemer prime"? silly marketing folks, why not add an "optimus" in there? :)
[07:56] <godbyk-tablet> Ha! I know.
[07:56] <thorwil> http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/YCVuI.jpg
[07:57] <godbyk-tablet> That's awesome!
[07:58] <godbyk-tablet> I like this tablet. I got it because it has a snazzy keyboard dock.
[11:23] <thorwil> godbyk: in ".. is a comprehensive beginner's guide designed for the Ubuntu operating system." should there perhaps be a comma after "guide"?
[11:24] <thorwil> anyway, lulu en cover with dimensions from last time pushed
[13:28] <godbyk> thorwil: Thanks for the cover. We may have to adjust the dimensions a bit once the final manual is complete (as the dimensions are dependent on page count).
[13:30] <godbyk> thorwil: With regards to the comma, it's not needed in that sentence.
[14:00] <thorwil> ok