| ubuntuuk-planet | [Stuart Langridge] Ten love songs specifically by Dolly Parton all of which are better than I Will Always Love You - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/06/11/ten-love-songs-specifically-by-dolly-parton-all-of-which-are-better-than-i-will-always-love-you | 00:24 |
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| mrgt_ | having a problem setting up my HP Photosmart C4780 printer in 12.04 via USB. Isntalled hplip but still no luck. Anyone able help? | 01:16 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu App Developer Goings On - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/12/ubuntu-app-developer-goings-on/ | 01:24 |
| Azelphur | Anyone about who knows how to set up netbooting and is willing to help me for a little while? :) | 01:38 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: at 3:38am? :P | 04:56 |
| Azelphur | or 6am | 04:56 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* | 04:56 |
| MartijnVdS | but.. netbooting | 04:59 |
| MartijnVdS | PXE? | 04:59 |
| Azelphur | something like that | 04:59 |
| Azelphur | basically I just have a .img file and want everything to boot off it | 05:00 |
| MartijnVdS | an .img file.. hmm | 05:00 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: I'm assuming you've found http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX | 05:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto | 05:01 |
| Azelphur | I know from experience that DisklessUbuntuHowto is extremely wrong and out of date | 05:02 |
| MartijnVdS | ok | 05:02 |
| Azelphur | but the first one could be good :) | 05:02 |
| Azelphur | that's the problem, a lot of the documentation is really out of date | 05:02 |
| MartijnVdS | that's "client side" (bootloader that's pushed over PXE) | 05:02 |
| Azelphur | and doesn't work with the software that ships with modern distros | 05:02 |
| MartijnVdS | This then? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer | 05:03 |
| Azelphur | that could be fun too :) | 05:04 |
| Azelphur | oops :P | 05:04 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] The Art of Community Second Edition Released - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/12/the-art-of-community-second-edition-released/ | 05:25 |
| knightwise | hey everyone | 06:52 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 06:59 |
| DJones | Morning, another beautiful day | 07:12 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:42 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:04 |
| DJones | Morning czajkowski | 08:04 |
| DJones | & diplo | 08:04 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 08:05 |
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| awilkins | popey, Was the "question mark" icon for an unknown app meant to disappear in recent unity updates? | 08:07 |
| awilkins | I just have a transparent icon in it's place now, it just looks like an empty patch in the quickbar | 08:08 |
| awilkins | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10616420/missing-question-icon.png | 08:09 |
| mungojerry | how cold does it have to be to see your own breath? | 08:18 |
| DJones | mungojerry: Depends how humid it is | 08:20 |
| DJones | I guess you're cold | 08:20 |
| diplo | I was a bit cold last night, leather sofa was bloody cold and kids said they were cold and that rarely happens | 08:31 |
| diplo | So had a couple hours of heating :) | 08:31 |
| DJones | I was the opposite, roasting, shorts on, door wide open until about 10pm | 08:33 |
| DJones | and wasn't as if I was doing anything to keep me warm, was just sat on the couch watching tv | 08:34 |
| JamesTait | Morning all! :D | 08:34 |
| diplo | I normally am, either coming down with something or it was just bloody cold :) | 08:36 |
| popey | awilkins: i have seen that also, but not often | 08:36 |
| awilkins | popey, I just can't be bothered to re-login to see if it happens again | 08:36 |
| popey | awilkins: bug 772986 | 08:37 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 772986 in unity "Unity launcher single missing/invisible/blank icon" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772986 | 08:37 |
| awilkins | popey, This is nvidia hardware with the proprietary driver if it's any help | 08:37 |
| awilkins | How abou this one : if you have a double-wide window carefully arranged to occupy the full screen width, clicking it's launcher icon moves it's right edge to the right hand screen | 08:38 |
| awilkins | e.g. using rdesktop with specified geometry 3360 wide on a dual 1680x1050 screen | 08:39 |
| awilkins | So you end up with half on this desktop, half on the next | 08:40 |
| popey | yeah, windows moving about is a pain | 08:42 |
| popey | i get that when windows are overhanging one desktop to another | 08:42 |
| popey | thats a compiz bug IMO and probably already filed but under some other description | 08:43 |
| popey | bug 874146 perhaps | 08:43 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 874146 in compiz (Ubuntu) "New windows open on the wrong monitor" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874146 | 08:43 |
| awilkins | popey, Oh the thing where you drag to a second window with different (smaller) geometry | 08:45 |
| awilkins | I see that at work where my second monitor is smaller than first, when window is larger than second monitor | 08:45 |
| awilkins | It snaps back to the first monitor | 08:45 |
| awilkins | Or jumps a screen-width or so to the right off the screen and you have to drag it back | 08:46 |
| popey | yes | 08:46 |
| popey | i get that a fair bit | 08:46 |
| awilkins | I don't get this at home where my screens are the same geometry | 08:46 |
| AlanBell | it seems to have to fit on the smaller monitor entirely for the grid snap thing to put it on that monitor | 08:47 |
| awilkins | Yes, one workaround is to manually resize the window smaller before you drag it | 08:47 |
| AlanBell | I often pull a maximised window from the big monitor and want to maximise it on the smaller one using the top bar and grid snap | 08:47 |
| awilkins | Likewise | 08:48 |
| TheFred | hello | 08:50 |
| DJones | Morning TheFred | 08:52 |
| TheFred | Good morning | 08:53 |
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| * DJones debates, flowers or chocolates for an anniversary | 09:03 | |
| bigcalm | Beep | 09:04 |
| popey | boop | 09:04 |
| popey | (C) Acorn | 09:04 |
| bigcalm | :) | 09:04 |
| bigcalm | Hayley wasn't too impressed with my new Facebook photos | 09:06 |
| * popey hasn't seen them | 09:08 | |
| bigcalm | :O | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | Check my timeline | 09:08 |
| popey | haha | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | I think having a shave improved the 2nd one | 09:09 |
| * TheFred is still trying to boot himself this morning | 09:09 | |
| bigcalm | Has anybody managed to confirm the mysql login thing on ubuntu? | 09:10 |
| AlanBell | yes | 09:10 |
| bigcalm | while true;do mysql -u root -pfoo;done | 09:10 |
| AlanBell | the fix is released, an update sorts it out | 09:11 |
| bigcalm | Not managed to get in on any of my servers yet | 09:11 |
| bigcalm | Indeed, not installed it everywhere yet. I want to see it happen! | 09:11 |
| AlanBell | worked fine on my laptop running precise until I updated it | 09:12 |
| bigcalm | I'm trying to make it happen on my bytemark server running 10.04 | 09:13 |
| AlanBell | servers set to automatically apply security updates will already be fixed | 09:13 |
| * popey tests cheese | 09:13 | |
| popey | bigcalm: see my timeline ☺ | 09:14 |
| AlanBell | popey: you are making my phone buzz, stop it! | 09:14 |
| popey | excellent | 09:14 |
| bigcalm | popey: I think I'm in love! | 09:15 |
| * bigcalm cracks up | 09:15 | |
| bigcalm | I'm surprised by the negative comments on the cat video | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: can it do that on video too? | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: Because hangouts :) | 09:16 |
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| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:38 |
| TheFred | good morning brobostigon | 09:48 |
| brobostigon | good morning TheFred | 09:48 |
| bigcalm | Good morning paracetamol | 09:49 |
| brobostigon | yeah, mixed with codeine here. | 09:49 |
| bigcalm | I had a sneaky McD's breakfast wrap. I think this is karma | 09:50 |
| brobostigon | ah. | 09:52 |
| TheFred | meh - there's a few tutorials about getting starting with quickly for developing ubuntu applications, but when i run quickly edit i get gedit with all the python et al opened, but im really unsure where *my* code should go | 09:53 |
| mattt | morning morning morning | 09:53 |
| brobostigon | morning mattt | 09:55 |
| mattt | hey brobostigon, how you today ? | 09:57 |
| czajkowski | http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16245551 good to see | 09:59 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:00 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod, how's your back | 10:00 |
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| czajkowski | davmor2: sore :/ | 10:00 |
| DJones | czajkowski: No wonder you're back is sore is davmor2 keeps prodding it | 10:01 |
| davmor2 | DJones: czajkowski will happily confirm I only ever prod her upper arm | 10:02 |
| czajkowski | yes this is true and then I end up with a bruise | 10:03 |
| DJones | Ouch | 10:03 |
| brobostigon | mattt: same as yesterday, but my bad skin, that was yesterday, is alittle more broken, and you? | 10:03 |
| mattt | brobostigon: woah, a lot of info | 10:09 |
| mattt | brobostigon: i'm pretty good ... why the bad skin? | 10:09 |
| brobostigon | mattt: where? | 10:09 |
| brobostigon | mattt: i have had a runny nose etc, so i probably had bugs inside me, and it has started to affect my eczema, as the type of eczema i have is atopic, it is more vulneralbe than normal to such infection. | 10:10 |
| czajkowski | DJones: ah I bruise really easily | 10:23 |
| DJones | czajkowski: That sounds like my wife, she bruises very easily, sometimes it looks like I've been beating her up when the dog has jumped on her | 10:24 |
| czajkowski | mum is the same, she gets some odd looks at times, she could walk into the side of a table and 15 mins later be up in a bruise | 10:25 |
| czajkowski | looks bad :( | 10:25 |
| DJones | Sounds the same | 10:25 |
| czajkowski | low in iron | 10:26 |
| czajkowski | more meat! | 10:26 |
| DJones | She's definatly not a vegetarian | 10:27 |
| mattt | i bruise easily | 10:27 |
| mattt | great excuse for me to go to those all you can eat brazil places :P | 10:27 |
| czajkowski | mattt: oh yes they are nice | 10:28 |
| czajkowski | we go to them in london down at the O2 | 10:28 |
| czajkowski | come away very stuffed | 10:28 |
| directhex | i've only been to one of those | 10:29 |
| directhex | in cowley | 10:29 |
| directhex | it was a bit dingy, but there was lots of meat | 10:29 |
| daubers | Is it bad that most of the time these days when I see a new Apple/Google/Microsoft release I just go "Oh, new problems" and ignore it? | 10:37 |
| * popey shrugs | 10:39 | |
| diplo | I've just come back from the mortagge advisor with a very odd looking popey staring at me :( | 10:52 |
| czajkowski | popey: those pics are a bit um.... disturbing :) | 10:54 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: Hayley didn't like my photos either | 10:55 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: heh | 10:58 |
| ingegnere_ | hello everybody! i was writing on this chat some days ago 'cause i found a BUG during the installation of UBUNTU 12.04 on my deskpc Fujitsu ESPRIMO HP300! | 11:03 |
| ingegnere_ | actually is NOT possible for me to initiate the installation process 'cause i recived a kernel failure! | 11:04 |
| ingegnere_ | I wanna know if is it possible that this problem is already pointed out! | 11:05 |
| ingegnere_ | in addition i want to say that my pc is NEW! i bought it on this weekend and i try to install UBUNTU 12.04 from the same cd that i used with my laptop. | 11:06 |
| ingegnere_ | no devices were plugin, no usb, and everything new. | 11:08 |
| brobostigon | do a search on launchpad.com/ubuntu within the bugs. | 11:09 |
| ingegnere_ | i put the CD, the computer starts reading the cd, icons on screen are showed...the keyboard lights start to flashing and the pc freeze with some kernel-error! | 11:09 |
| brobostigon | ingegnere_: do a search on launchpad.com/ubuntu within the bugs. | 11:10 |
| ingegnere_ | i did it without significant result! so... | 11:10 |
| brobostigon | file a new one, :) | 11:10 |
| czajkowski | ingegnere_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu | 11:10 |
| ingegnere_ | i have tryied with two different cd...same problem! | 11:11 |
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| czajkowski | ingegnere_: report the bug so and see what happens from there | 11:15 |
| czajkowski | ingegnere_: where did you get the cd? | 11:15 |
| ingegnere_ | ok! i'm doing it! ;) | 11:15 |
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| ingegnere_ | ok you can find my message in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu! | 11:31 |
| ingegnere_ | thank you! | 11:31 |
| czajkowski | which bug number? | 11:31 |
| ingegnere_ | Bug #1012071 | 11:32 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 1012071 in Ubuntu "FUJITSU ESPRIMO HP300" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012071 | 11:32 |
| czajkowski | ingegnere_: where did you get the ubuntu cd from ?? | 11:34 |
| mondokey | mondo is still alive and kicking : http://www.mondorescue.org/downloads.shtml | 12:25 |
| mondokey | but has anyone been able to install mondo's gpg key under ubuntu 12.04 and the install mondo without any authentication errors? | 12:27 |
| bubu\a | in bash script, how can I echo variables into a file? | 12:28 |
| bubu\a | putting the echo in "" or '' causes the variable not to be rea | 12:28 |
| diplo | echo $VARIABLE >> file.txt ? | 12:29 |
| bubu\a | I'm trying to | 12:30 |
| diplo | Works fine for me, just made sure | 12:30 |
| diplo | so to test i did echo $PATH >> file.txt | 12:30 |
| bubu\a | echo 'SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR(address)=="$mac_add", ATTR(dev_id)=="0x0", ATTR(type)=="1". KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="$int_add"' >> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules | 12:33 |
| bubu\a | so not quiute so simple as just variable... | 12:33 |
| dwatkins | is $PATH set at this time, diplo? | 12:33 |
| diplo | Well you didn't say that :D | 12:36 |
| diplo | Funnily enough I was playing with udev rules the other day albeit on CentOS | 12:37 |
| bubu\a | hehe | 12:37 |
| bubu\a | i need to script to add new udev rules | 12:37 |
| bubu\a | but all I take it all the actions need "" around them | 12:37 |
| bubu\a | and then with the variable in there too | 12:37 |
| diplo | I was tring to write something special/rubbish for usb pen drives | 12:37 |
| bubu\a | im not doing it right | 12:37 |
| diplo | Then thought sod it and wrote a bash script and bodged it | 12:38 |
| diplo | I had loads of issues with mine bubu\a think it's why I gave up ( been a while ) | 12:38 |
| diplo | And all the blog posts were a few years old | 12:38 |
| diplo | See if I can remember what I did now | 12:38 |
| bubu\a | lol | 12:38 |
| bubu\a | thx | 12:39 |
| bubu\a | :) | 12:39 |
| bubu\a | this would literally be falling over at the first hurdle of probably a very long script | 12:39 |
| bubu\a | :( | 12:39 |
| bubu\a | any luck diplo ? | 12:53 |
| AlanBell | gosh, someone living in London can have RMS as a houseguest | 12:56 |
| popey | NO PARROTS! | 12:56 |
| * davmor2 hears the hoards racing to their local pet shop to get a parrot | 12:58 | |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: did he find his passport so he can fly? | 13:06 |
| czajkowski | popey: do you have a new addition to the pet family ? | 13:06 |
| popey | not yet | 13:07 |
| czajkowski | close :) | 13:07 |
| AlanBell | I am sure he will sort out a new passport (after being fingerprinted and iris scanned and photographed and all that put on an RFID chip) | 13:08 |
| czajkowski | and if he objects he may be stranded :) | 13:09 |
| ahayzen | Hi, I'm having an issue with the HUD reading the menubar from a PyGObject script. Which is the best IRC channel to ask for assistance? Thanks, Andy | 13:13 |
| gord | ahayzen, probably #ubuntu-unity | 13:15 |
| ahayzen | gord: Thanks :) | 13:15 |
| diplo | bubu\a: Sorry stuck on the phone for last 20 mins | 13:28 |
| diplo | Not found anything yet sorry | 13:29 |
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| meet | how long does the upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 take? how large is the download size? | 13:36 |
| AlanBell | depends how much stuff you have installed on 11.10 | 13:36 |
| AlanBell | probably a gig or so of download at least | 13:36 |
| meet | 1 gb? why? the normal full installation is less than that right? | 13:38 |
| gord | if you haven't installed anything since installing 11.10, then it'll be around the same size as a cd | 13:39 |
| gord | if you installed more stuff, it'll need to get more package to upgrade that stuff, so that inflates the download size | 13:40 |
| meet | no i hv installed many other things. ok. And while upgrading if it is interrupted in between, what are the consequences? | 13:41 |
| ali1234 | the consequences will never be the same | 13:42 |
| mattt | meet: interrupted how? | 13:43 |
| mattt | downloaded interrupted? that should be OK | 13:43 |
| AlanBell | if it is interrupted whilst downloading packages you might be OK | 13:43 |
| mattt | if you shut off your system mid way through an upgrade tho ... well ....... | 13:43 |
| AlanBell | interrupting whilst installing and configuring packages is less likely to have a pleasant outcome | 13:44 |
| meet | like power failure or internet disconnection or manually if i click cancel etc.. | 13:45 |
| mattt | power failure is what i'd be concerned about | 13:46 |
| mattt | it downloads updates in batches then will try to apply them i believe | 13:46 |
| mattt | so if you have a failed download or whatever, the system will be able to determine that and act accordingly | 13:46 |
| meet | btw i got the window asking whether i want to start with the upgrade.. i got a slow connection.. it says 4 hrs time will be needed.. so i guess i will put it up at night.. so at this stage if i cancel.. will it again start from the scratch? | 13:46 |
| ali1234 | no, it keeps the downloads | 13:47 |
| meet | ok. in the checklist preparing upgrade and setting software channels is checked. It is at the download package stage. i am planning to cancel it now and redo at night? will it be fine? | 13:48 |
| AlanBell | probably | 14:03 |
| diplo | Anyone got any suggestions as to why mount -a could fail to load something from fstab | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | noauto tag | 14:05 |
| diplo | general idea, loads by doing mount /dev/sdb1 | 14:05 |
| diplo | ah, good point | 14:05 |
| diplo | :D | 14:05 |
| diplo | I had to put that in there, hmmm | 14:06 |
| diplo | I'll just hard code /dev/sdb1 for now until I write a better solution, cheers ali1234 | 14:06 |
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| ali1234 | "by linking social content and sharing directly to advanced business intelligence you can find the unicorn" | 14:34 |
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| mungojerry | ali1234, http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/examples/gobbledygook-generator.html ? | 14:35 |
| davmor2 | mungojerry: Only geeks stuck in the 90s still go for responsive management concepts. nice | 14:46 |
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| kvarley | Has anybody used bandwidthd or darkstat? If so, which would you recommend? If anybody has used any bandwidth monitoring software I'd also like to know about what you use. =] | 16:09 |
| popey | MartijnVdS: have you seen songkick is now available for android? | 16:10 |
| mattt | kvarley: think i used vnstat at one point | 16:11 |
| kvarley | mattt: Thanks, the ones I mentioned have web interfaces which would be more useful for the current situation. However, I think I may use this vnStat on my system! Thanks =] | 16:12 |
| hamitron | I used bandwidthd, was easy to setup.... but didn't really do what I wanted | 16:13 |
| kvarley | hamitron: What did you want? And what do you think about security of it? Like all your data passes through it, so any chance of them stealing details, etc? I see its open source so it should be fine but you know - never can be too careful. | 16:14 |
| hamitron | I didn't need to really consider security | 16:15 |
| hamitron | it was just to monitor youtube usage | 16:15 |
| hamitron | ;) | 16:15 |
| hamitron | I can't remember what it didn't do | 16:15 |
| hamitron | does it maybe not support dynamic ip clients or something? | 16:16 |
| kvarley | hamitron: That may be it. I see IPs but not MACs on screenshots. | 16:16 |
| hamitron | at the time, it was hassle, and I went for cutting the junk to maintain | 16:17 |
| hamitron | with everything, to reduce work on a network that didn't matter | 16:17 |
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| davmor2 | Muhahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP1hrqIk_0Q&feature=related | 16:42 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone know where I can get reasonable rack cabinets, +- 12U -> 24U ? | 16:44 |
| dogmatic69 | used ones | 16:44 |
| kaushal | Hi | 16:48 |
| kaushal | Anyone using cssh tool? | 16:48 |
| dwatkins | cluster ssh, kaushal? | 17:05 |
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| kaushal | dwatkins: yes | 17:22 |
| kaushal | dwatkins: I am running cluster ssh in Ubuntu 11.10 using unity desktop shell | 17:23 |
| livingdaylight | greetings | 17:24 |
| kaushal | when i switch tab to other application and i return to cluster ssh to do a retile or press alt-r it doesnot align the xterm windows | 17:24 |
| kaushal | Any clue? | 17:24 |
| dwatkins | sorry no, I don't use unity. | 17:26 |
| dwatkins | perhaps someone else has ideas, or you could ask on #ubuntu | 17:26 |
| kaushal | ok | 17:26 |
| kaushal | sure | 17:26 |
| kaushal | dwatkins: Thanks | 17:26 |
| popey | kvarley: can you put an ntp client on your openelec image please ☺ | 17:38 |
| popey | hello livingdaylight | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | popey: http://www.ladyada.net/learn/breakoutplus/ds1307rtc.html | 17:45 |
| ali1234 | http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/rtc/rtc-ds1307.c | 17:46 |
| dwatkins | happy days | 17:49 |
| dwatkins | I used to support machines which had Dallas chips on the motherboard which had to be moved between boards when they were replaced. | 17:49 |
| dwatkins | The batteries were built into the chip, so they would eventually need replacing, too. | 17:50 |
| ali1234 | kaushal: that's probably bug 916542 | 17:51 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 916542 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity spread "randomly" shuffles overlapping windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/916542 | 17:51 |
| kvarley | popey: Does adding ntp to the cmdline.txt file work? | 17:51 |
| kaushal | ali1234: ok | 17:51 |
| popey | kvarley: dunno, will try | 17:52 |
| popey | also | 17:52 |
| popey | it refuses to connect to my home linux box runnings amba | 17:52 |
| popey | *samba | 17:52 |
| popey | "connection refused" | 17:53 |
| livingdaylight | hi popey | 17:55 |
| kvarley | popey: Hmm, I'll have a look. I suspect it may be because certain things aren't in the cmdline.txt file. I haven't changed any binary files, just merely packaged the most basic form of OpenELEC into an image with a script so it may be a case of missing config! =] | 17:56 |
| popey | wonder if it's timing out | 17:57 |
| popey | well, it does give timeout messages | 17:57 |
| livingdaylight | I got a new hd on which I installed Ubuntu. However, the most recent disc I had on me was v. 10.10 I subsequently upgraded distro by distro, i.e. 11.04 11.10, until I reached 12.04. Since then I got the recent LinuxFormat dvd with 12.04 on it. I wondered whether I should do a fresh install or am I fine? My concern is that the integrity of the installation could get corrupted by upgrading that many times | 17:57 |
| popey | kvarley: is there any way I can get a shell open on it? | 17:58 |
| popey | livingdaylight: "if it aint broke" | 17:58 |
| kvarley | popey: Ctrl + Alt + F2 doesn't work? | 17:58 |
| popey | nope | 17:59 |
| * kvarley gets his pi | 17:59 | |
| livingdaylight | popey, it appears fine, but wondered whether things might be half-broke by that many upgrades. | 17:59 |
| popey | not really | 18:00 |
| livingdaylight | ok, thx | 18:02 |
| * davmor2 is playing England: The Album 2010 as he is feeling particularly buoyed up at the moment | 18:15 | |
| MartijnVdS | "England: The Album 2010"? | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | Is that an album full of versions of God Save the Queen and Rule Britannia? | 18:16 |
| dwatkins | Danny Boy | 18:17 |
| dwatkins | Perhaps the theme tunr from Only Fools and Horses is on the B-side. | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: and Auld Lang Syne as hidden bonus track :P | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: just to annoy ;) | 18:19 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: http://www.covershut.com/back_covers/England-The-Album-2010-Back-Cover-42243.jpg | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: you get Queen as well? :) | 18:20 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: http://www.bol.com/nl/p/538-wk-2010-voetbal/1000004008663311/#product_images | 18:20 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: nah, half the people don't know the words | 18:20 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: no but it'll annoy the Scots, on a CD called "England: The Album" ;) | 18:20 |
| dwatkins | the scots will just make their own version | 18:21 |
| dwatkins | There will be at least one Pretenders song on it. | 18:21 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: Shockingly they were an English Group :) We've been sing we are the champions around football grounds as long as the song has been out :) | 18:22 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: so have the Dutch :P | 18:22 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: so has _anyone_ really ;) | 18:22 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: Yeah but we heard the song before the rest of the world :D | 18:23 |
| MartijnVdS | spotify:user:ertje20:playlist:2af1V2qRAu208iYuADOtQj | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | we get "classics" like that | 18:26 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: :) | 18:27 |
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| * Laney eyes bitfolk | 19:06 | |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 19:08 |
| Laney | nutty packet loss | 19:09 |
| Laney | try mtr orangesquash.org.uk | 19:09 |
| dwatkins | ouch, yeah Laney | 19:10 |
| popey | is the internet broken today? | 19:11 |
| MartijnVdS | Not my internets | 19:11 |
| Laney | the magic of TCP is keeping my IRC alive! | 19:11 |
| Laney | also mosh | 19:11 |
| popey | spot the bitfolk users ☺ | 19:13 |
| * Laney wonders if it's better | 19:13 | |
| MartijnVdS | wouldn't that be "bitfolks"? | 19:13 |
| MartijnVdS | or "bitfolkies" | 19:13 |
| popey | or just "bit folk" | 19:14 |
| dwatkins | hmmm, I've not tried mtr since switching to BeThere, I get brokenness on the first few (internal) hops | 19:14 |
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| davmor2 | theres a lib called liblastfm now depending on how you see it initial will make you wonder whether it is a radio station of near swearing and lies, or people in beds being blown up | 19:23 |
| bigcalm | Looks like I might be getting my boss' Thinkpad x301 | 19:24 |
| bigcalm | When, no idea. Something to look forward to though | 19:24 |
| bigcalm | blast.fm! | 19:24 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: li-blast.fm | 19:25 |
| bigcalm | Damn, don't think I can buy an iPad2 case before work place day on Thursday | 19:26 |
| bigcalm | Maybe it'll be ok in the laptop bag | 19:26 |
| dwatkins | bigcalm: I keep mine in a neoprene netbook bag | 19:30 |
| bigcalm | That's a good idea | 19:30 |
| bigcalm | I have a sturdy leather case that also acts as a stand for my Motorola Xoom | 19:30 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Why do you have an ipad 2 | 19:30 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: app testing | 19:31 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Yeah, yeah, yeah ;) | 19:31 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I really feel nothing towards it. Which is a shame as it cost me enough. I thought I would be excited to have a new toy. Nothing... | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | i don't get what is exciting about tablets | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | they are just big phones that can't make phone calls | 19:34 |
| dwatkins | or small computers with no keyboard | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | no, that's exactly what they aren't | 19:34 |
| bigcalm | Depends how you use them | 19:34 |
| dwatkins | oh? | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | they're not powerful enough to run modern operating systems | 19:34 |
| bigcalm | I have an TerminalIDE on my Xoom. Dev wherever I go :) | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | they're also not equivalent to older computers because they lack technical documentation | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | at best they are a thin client for a real OS | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | but what's exciting about that? | 19:35 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: yes they are, quad cores at 1.5ghz is more than enough | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | it's as exciting as a monitor | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | no, quad core ARMs at 1.5ghz is not powerful enough | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | quad core x86-64 at 3GHz is a real computer | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | besides, there's no software on a tablet that can really take advantage of multiple cores | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | it's not like they can do multitasking, run productivity software or anything really | 19:37 |
| dwatkins | I still find it fascinating that I can emulate a BBC Micro on my phone. | 19:39 |
| dwatkins | (Beebdroid) | 19:39 |
| bigcalm | This might do me http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/19517437/-/Product.html | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | you can emulate anything up to a playstation 1 on most android phones | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | of course playing games on a touchscreen is totally awful | 19:40 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I gather there are some bluetooth gamepads available, not sure how many nor if they're any good | 19:40 |
| bigcalm | Yep, I hate playing Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Where's my Water, etc on my tablets | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | yeah there's one problem with that | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | you;re sitting on the bus playing sonic with your bluetooth controller | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | that means you're not touching the phone | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | that means some scally can grab it and run | 19:41 |
| popey | bigcalm: why? | 19:42 |
| bigcalm | popey: sarcasm | 19:42 |
| popey | oh | 19:42 |
| davmor2 | popey: I was gonna say he missed the sarcasm tags | 19:43 |
| * bigcalm tickles popey | 19:43 | |
| popey | oooh | 19:43 |
| popey | raspberry pi now has a beta stackexchange site like askubuntu | 19:44 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: I guess it might be handy to have some way to attach it to yourself, not sure if many phones have that | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | popey: i saw that. pointless | 19:44 |
| dwatkins | popey: excellent, I was wondering what's going on with the graphics stack | 19:44 |
| bigcalm | Most Japanese phones have a point on the device that allows you to attach phone charms - they are nuts for them over there | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | every answer will be either "yes, see this identical question about debian" or "no" | 19:45 |
| dwatkins | bigcalm: I was someone with a huge mirror on their phone once, they kept looking at themselves in it, too | 19:45 |
| bigcalm | Haha | 19:45 |
| dwatkins | *saw | 19:47 |
| dwatkins | oops | 19:47 |
| dwatkins | she might as well have gotten one of those mirrored phone screen covers | 19:47 |
| MartijnVdS | phones have cameras these days | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | they could just use the front-facing camera | 19:50 |
| dwatkins | is there a problem on the wider internets, or does my ISP just not enjoy sending back traceroute pings to the mtr command? | 19:56 |
| MartijnVdS | yes | 19:58 |
| MartijnVdS | no problems on the Dutch interwebs | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | No problems from NL to Bytemark | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | (on ipv6)! | 19:59 |
| dwatkins | perhaps it's just BeThere's routers not replying to mtr | 20:01 |
| dogmatic69 | what is the best way to look at a 200mb + text file from terminal? | 20:34 |
| dogmatic69 | thought nano was good but its choking on it | 20:35 |
| popey | more or less | 20:35 |
| dogmatic69 | :/ | 20:35 |
| dogmatic69 | is that a command? | 20:35 |
| dogmatic69 | or it is more or less good | 20:35 |
| brobostigon | those are both commands. | 20:36 |
| brobostigon | :) | 20:36 |
| dogmatic69 | cool, so cat file | more | 20:36 |
| dogmatic69 | or | less | 20:36 |
| brobostigon | have a play. | 20:36 |
| * dogmatic69 goes off to melt the cpu | 20:36 | |
| shauno | 'more filename' or 'less filename' work too. you don't always have to abuse cats :) | 20:37 |
| brobostigon | :) | 20:37 |
| dogmatic69 | ah, I got that from some tutorials on the net a while back | 20:37 |
| dogmatic69 | more seems much better | 20:39 |
| dogmatic69 | its instant, less has lag when going to the next line | 20:40 |
| dogmatic69 | would linux have a problem with files that have long lines? | 20:45 |
| dogmatic69 | I know gedit does not like it, but how about something like mysqlimport? | 20:46 |
| dogmatic69 | lines are say 6mb long | 20:48 |
| dogmatic69 | damn. tr is pretty damn efficient. | 20:56 |
| soulnafein | Hello, what kernel version will 12.04.1 ship with? | 21:05 |
| AlanBell | hi soulnafein | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | 3.2.0-25 is the current precise kernel | 21:07 |
| soulnafein | will it be update to 3.3.x ? | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | might be a touch higher than that by the .1 release I guess | 21:07 |
| soulnafein | *updated | 21:07 |
| popey | it should be possible to use a quantal kernel | 21:07 |
| soulnafein | because at the moment I have to use a mainline kernel, I assume there are drawbacks in doing so. | 21:08 |
| soulnafein | that's due to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/898784 | 21:08 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 898784 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "Distorted screen on MacBook Air 3,2 (GT216 10de:08a3)" [High,Triaged] | 21:08 |
| soulnafein | popey, what would you do to avoid that problem. From what I read it seems unlikely that 3.2 will be patched with the fix for that bug. | 21:12 |
| popey | what i did was get rid of my mac | 21:12 |
| soulnafein | popey, I'm contemplating that :D | 21:15 |
| soulnafein | popey, I guess apple hardware is not the prime candidate for linux installations | 21:15 |
| soulnafein | but they are so pwetty! | 21:15 |
| popey | indeed they are | 21:15 |
| popey | I'd ask in #ubuntu-kernel what they suspect 12.04.1 will ship with | 21:16 |
| popey | but probably be more people about during the working UK day | 21:16 |
| soulnafein | cheers, I'll ask tomorrow morning | 21:16 |
| bigcalm | Humm. Is it possible to use --no-clobber in wget on all but one file? | 21:19 |
| bigcalm | Ah, it's easier to just delete a file before running wget :) | 21:37 |
| * bigcalm puts php down for a moment | 21:37 | |
| bigcalm | Is it wrong that I use PHP for shell scripts? | 21:38 |
| daftykins | whatever works i'm sure ^_^ | 21:38 |
| bigcalm | I used to do things in perl. That wouldn't have been sneered at | 21:40 |
| bigcalm | My job is both the source and bane of my geek cred | 21:40 |
| bigcalm | What's a good twitter client for the iPad? | 21:41 |
| bigcalm | Almost called it an iPat - I'm blaming this very fine Belgian beer :) | 21:41 |
| daftykins | i'd have felt better if you did ;) | 21:46 |
| bigcalm | Tweetdeck is pants for the iPat | 21:46 |
| bigcalm | Oops, there you go :) | 21:46 |
| daftykins | makes me think that Apple delivered it to customers in a slightly different way than expected... | 21:47 |
| bigcalm | The device looks physically nice, can't say it was pooped out ;) | 21:48 |
| * bigcalm kicks Nationwide | 21:51 | |
| dogmatic69 | why would 10% swap be used if there is 2.5gigs spare ram? | 21:53 |
| daftykins | fail allocation? | 21:54 |
| shauno | if they're pages that haven't been touched in eons, there may still be some benefit to swapping them out so the ram can be used for disk buffers & such | 21:55 |
| dogmatic69 | ok | 21:55 |
| dogmatic69 | I am only running a mysql import | 21:55 |
| shauno | (you'll also see that when something used to be using a chunk of ram, but isn't anymore. there's no rush to bring inactive pages back into play) | 21:55 |
| dogmatic69 | maybe linux decided its good to have the ram ready? | 21:55 |
| bigcalm | watch free -m | 21:56 |
| bigcalm | See if swap is changing size at all | 21:56 |
| bigcalm | Or install gkrellm2 (or similar) and watch things happen in a nice graphical way | 21:57 |
| Azelphur | I'm interested in diskless booting 8 machines via netboot using a specific drive image file, is this easy/possible? any suggestions? | 21:58 |
| Azelphur | or how about fan control, I could do with some help on fan speed control if anyone knows how to do that :) | 22:02 |
| dogmatic69 | bigcalm: I been watching it in htop, pretty much fixed | 22:04 |
| dogmatic69 | ram is between 1500 and 1600 / 3800 and swap is 440 -> 445 / 4029 | 22:04 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: I can tell you how with something like an arduino :) | 22:05 |
| dogmatic69 | (fan speed that is) | 22:05 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: haha | 22:05 |
| Azelphur | building something is a bit beyond me | 22:06 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: it would just be some sort of pwm | 22:06 |
| Azelphur | although I wouldn't mind paying a small fee for it to be built :) | 22:06 |
| dogmatic69 | in theory you should be able to do it from bash or with c++ at least | 22:06 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: yea, but the question is how, lm-sensors can see my fan, the bios can control fan speed | 22:07 |
| Azelphur | so all the hardware is there, it's just how do I actually do it in Linux | 22:07 |
| Azelphur | pwmconfig claims "There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed" | 22:07 |
| dogmatic69 | sudo apt-get install fancontrol | 22:08 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: yea, fancontrol is the daemon and pwmconfig generates the config file for fancontrol if I'm understanding things right | 22:08 |
| Azelphur | but pwmconfig of course says I have no pwm-capable sensors :( | 22:08 |
| dogmatic69 | ill install them quick | 22:09 |
| dogmatic69 | one sec | 22:09 |
| dogmatic69 | apparently nor do I have pwm | 22:10 |
| Azelphur | nobody has pwm \o/ | 22:11 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:11 |
| daftykins | which fans? | 22:11 |
| daftykins | are you wanting to control | 22:11 |
| Azelphur | Scythe Ultra Kaze (3000RPM edition) | 22:12 |
| * dogmatic69 has 15 fans | 22:12 | |
| bigcalm | Popular | 22:12 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: you have the same amount of fans I want to connect | 22:12 |
| dogmatic69 | next pc is getting water cooling | 22:12 |
| dogmatic69 | bigcalm: har har :D | 22:12 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: this is water ;) | 22:12 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: water == no fans... | 22:12 |
| Azelphur | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120606_180257.jpg | 22:12 |
| * Azelphur is doing science | 22:12 | |
| dogmatic69 | the whole point is no fans | 22:13 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: noes, the whole point is to just be ridiculously OTT and overclock to ridiculous levels | 22:13 |
| Azelphur | :D | 22:13 |
| dogmatic69 | he he | 22:13 |
| dogmatic69 | ah ok | 22:13 |
| Azelphur | the rad has fans as you can see :) | 22:13 |
| Azelphur | it will have 4 on each side, but right now I only have a 5 channel fan controller to stop them running at 3k rpm so most arn't hooked up | 22:13 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: just connect a red wire direct to the ram. I believe higher +v is better. | 22:13 |
| Azelphur | wat o.O | 22:14 |
| ali1234 | stacking fans doesn't do much you know | 22:14 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: they arn't stacked, the rad has 4 fans on each side | 22:14 |
| ali1234 | it just creates turbulence | 22:14 |
| gebbione | is there a way i can show the passwords managed withing ssh-agent? | 22:14 |
| ali1234 | gebbione: seahorse | 22:15 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: I just fitted one of these http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BB-007-AE | 22:15 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: yea, thing is I'd like to do some custom stuff with cooling and fan control in software | 22:16 |
| dogmatic69 | well, in theory if these apps are not working and you are handy around some c / c++ you could use arduino and processing | 22:17 |
| dogmatic69 | even make your own touch screen control | 22:17 |
| dogmatic69 | or processing app to manage it | 22:17 |
| gebbione | ali1234, how can i show a private key password? | 22:17 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: yea, my electronics knowledge is absolute 0 | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | gebbione: you can't | 22:18 |
| Azelphur | I had a bit of a look at it, but it doesn't seem like a beginner project xD | 22:18 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: its a pretty simple setup, you just want to add something along the lines of a electronic light dimmer on each fan | 22:18 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: do you already have one controlling your fans? | 22:18 |
| gebbione | mhhh it lets me change the passphrase | 22:18 |
| dogmatic69 | Azelphur: nope, just that link I posted | 22:19 |
| gebbione | but i cannot access the key when i use the same passphrase | 22:19 |
| Azelphur | ah | 22:19 |
| Azelphur | dogmatic69: see I want to do cool stuff, like set a target RPM (which will be overriden if temperatures go out of sane ranges) | 22:19 |
| dogmatic69 | ye | 22:20 |
| Azelphur | so I can set the target RPM to 0, turning everything off, but if the temps go too high, it'll fire everything up again | 22:20 |
| Azelphur | which would work great while I'm asleep | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | that makes no sense | 22:20 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: if the computers idle, and I'm asleep, the fans don't need to run at all, the pump and ambient should keep everything cool at idle | 22:21 |
| Azelphur | but, if something happens that causes my CPU usage to spike up while I'm asleep, I sure as hell want the fans to kick in | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | then there is no need to have software control | 22:21 |
| Azelphur | how so? | 22:21 |
| Azelphur | during the day I want the fans to run lol | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | what if the computer crashes? | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | oops, no fan control | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | doesn't that happen anyway | 22:22 |
| daftykins | i always thought about having a PC on the other side of a wall behind the desk :D | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | (hense why my 8800GT melted recently) | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | no | 22:22 |
| daftykins | then just run the cables through \o/ | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | if you buy a fan controller it has temperature sensors | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | yea, my current one has temp sensors | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | but I don't think you can set a fans to turn off | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | just get a bigger radiator | 22:23 |
| hamitron | I thought some let you pick the lowest rpm or voltage? | 22:23 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | http://grahamfrost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/radiator.jpg | 22:24 |
| Azelphur | lol | 22:24 |
| hamitron | ali1234, so long as it is in chrome ;) | 22:24 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: that's silly, I'm want the fans to run during the day >.< | 22:24 |
| Azelphur | I should be able to control them in software | 22:24 |
| Azelphur | You can do this in Windows(tm) | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | just get a big enough radiator so that you don't need fans | 22:24 |
| hamitron | this room is near the water tank in the house, now if...... | 22:24 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: I can't mount any bigger of a radiator to my case obviously >.> | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_OMvQU4Z6QmI/TRP-fToyrJI/AAAAAAAABsE/7QMgQDTQEh4/radiator%5B4%5D.jpg | 22:25 |
| Azelphur | lol | 22:25 |
| hamitron | think of better ways to warm ones vitals | 22:26 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 22:26 |
| Azelphur | so yea back on subject, I'm trying to get control of these fans in software \o/ | 22:26 |
| hamitron | I personally think you should make a separate system to control it | 22:27 |
| Azelphur | yea, but as I said I know nothing about electronics so it's not my field at all | 22:27 |
| hamitron | touch screen would be nice too | 22:28 |
| Azelphur | needs to be done in software, which it should be able to be anyway | 22:28 |
| hamitron | I just feel you need to make the electronics to do it in software on the PC, so may as well make the electronics to be even m0re cool | 22:29 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: not really, I got the akasa smart splitters, atm I'm only trying to control one simple fan connected directly to the mobo though | 22:29 |
| Azelphur | this should be possible | 22:29 |
| hamitron | using the cpu fan header? | 22:30 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: you totally strike me as the kinda person to go "Arduino time!" | 22:31 |
| daftykins | then scurry off and make some fancy setup ;) | 22:31 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: haha, I am only thing is that I don't have the experience to do it | 22:32 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: using Chassis Fan 1 header | 22:32 |
| daftykins | how are the fans on the radiator powered right now? | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | azelphur broke an arduino in under 5 minutes | 22:32 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: external fan controller (Sentry LXE) | 22:32 |
| daftykins | said controller doesn't have any probes or automation? | 22:33 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: but the fan I'm trying to control is plugged directly to the mobo on CHA1 | 22:33 |
| hamitron | I thought them links I gave you Azelphur, seemed cool | 22:33 |
| hamitron | is this 3 or 4 pin? | 22:33 |
| Azelphur | it has probes, but no way of turning a fan off, and no way of controlling from software | 22:33 |
| daftykins | 3 i bet | 22:33 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: my fans are 3 | 22:34 |
| hamitron | aren't they a fixed 12V? | 22:34 |
| hamitron | with monitor | 22:34 |
| * hamitron shrugs | 22:34 | |
| Azelphur | hamitron: no idea, they are most definitely controllable by the header on the motherboard though, as I can do it from the bios, and with the fan controller | 22:34 |
| hamitron | so you just need software for that | 22:35 |
| Azelphur | exactly | 22:35 |
| Azelphur | then I'd be all set | 22:35 |
| Azelphur | assuming the smart splitters pass it through, which I assume they do :) | 22:35 |
| hamitron | hang on | 22:35 |
| hamitron | bad idea | 22:35 |
| Azelphur | D: | 22:35 |
| hamitron | you think the motherboard can handle that kind of load? | 22:36 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: the smart splitters pull power from molex | 22:36 |
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| hamitron | smart splitters? | 22:36 |
| Azelphur | but right now I'm just working with 1 fan, connected directly to the motherboard | 22:36 |
| Azelphur | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Akasa-AK-CB002-PWM-splitter-smart/dp/B001J2YRUC/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt | 22:37 |
| hamitron | they are the splitters I saw last time? | 22:37 |
| Azelphur | yep | 22:37 |
| hamitron | don't the yellow cables provide a fixed 12V to the fans with them? | 22:38 |
| hamitron | directly from the PSU | 22:38 |
| Azelphur | don't think so, the whole point of that cable is to read the power off the motherboard and plug things into them | 22:38 |
| Azelphur | I could test and see if I can control the fan speed from the bios via one of those splitters to be sure | 22:38 |
| hamitron | I suspect you'll need something to change the voltage supplied to the yellow cables on the molex | 22:39 |
| Azelphur | hamitron: but yea, besides that I'm mainly asking how to get control of a single fan connected to the mobo | 22:41 |
| Azelphur | as half the planet does xD | 22:41 |
| hamitron | I think I'd just use them cables with your PSU, and buy some bolts to clamp your PC to the desk | 22:41 |
| hamitron | and ear plugs | 22:41 |
| hamitron | :D | 22:42 |
| Azelphur | lol | 22:42 |
| dwatkins | USB serial adapter -> D/A converter -> potentiometer? | 22:44 |
| daftykins | i could post you one of the PIIIs i'm about to get rid of, never have temperature issues again! | 22:44 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:44 |
| dwatkins | not sure how you'd actually implement that, or whether you could just do it with two devices, but that's where I'd start with manual fan control. | 22:44 |
| hamitron | rid of P3? :-o | 22:45 |
| daftykins | yep | 22:45 |
| hamitron | you wasteful being | 22:45 |
| daftykins | hey they had a good run | 22:45 |
| Azelphur | I have a P4 with nothing to do | 22:45 |
| Azelphur | it's just sitting on a table | 22:45 |
| dwatkins | I met some guys in Reading who recycle computers for a country in Africa. I forget which one exactly. | 22:45 |
| daftykins | http://pastebin.com/sLdpD9Rh | 22:45 |
| daftykins | that's what i've found so far and am getting rid of | 22:46 |
| dwatkins | They get them reinstalled, tested etc. and sent in a container in batches. I guess they use linux. | 22:46 |
| daftykins | dwatkins: neat | 22:46 |
| hamitron | dwatkins, I tried to give a load away | 22:46 |
| hamitron | and they demanded 1.6ghz or better | 22:46 |
| hamitron | :/ | 22:46 |
| dwatkins | hamitron: ah, I see :-/ | 22:46 |
| Azelphur | dwatkins: fun | 22:46 |
| daftykins | comes to something when even the charities can be picky eh | 22:46 |
| dwatkins | anything older than that should probably be kept for posterity if it still works ;) | 22:46 |
| hamitron | at the time I was using a 1.2ghz as my main pc | 22:47 |
| hamitron | :D | 22:47 |
| daftykins | daym | 22:47 |
| hamitron | I cursed for days (and still am I guess), that comps I use are not good enough for kids in Africa | 22:48 |
| hamitron | ;) | 22:48 |
| daftykins | XD | 22:48 |
| daftykins | my house in England is about to sell so i've started going through all my stuff in my parents house to reduce it all down as much as possible | 22:48 |
| daftykins | good time to do it i think, ahead of moving out again | 22:49 |
| hamitron | yeh | 22:49 |
| daftykins | especially given all the crap that i've accumulated :D | 22:49 |
| daftykins | i'd love to have very little by way of possessions | 22:49 |
| hamitron | hang on, you are throwing that list out? :-o | 22:49 |
| dwatkins | I used to dream of having very few things. | 22:50 |
| Azelphur | I just found shiny, http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/steam_linux_email.jpg | 22:50 |
| daftykins | hamitron: yep | 22:50 |
| daftykins | can't be verified that though eh | 22:51 |
| daftykins | unless the phoronix article has a mention of being given the full headers too | 22:51 |
| hamitron | I'd buy some of that stuff to add to my pile | 22:51 |
| daftykins | hamitron: you'd only have to pay postage ^_^ | 22:51 |
| hamitron | if you could be bothered to parcel up | 22:51 |
| daftykins | though postage from the channel islands could be... interesting | 22:52 |
| hamitron | ah damn | 22:52 |
| hamitron | yeh | 22:52 |
| hamitron | :/ | 22:52 |
| hamitron | the hdd would be very useful | 22:52 |
| daftykins | i'm quite amazed 320GB is already too tiny for me to bother with :D | 22:53 |
| hamitron | and sound cards | 22:53 |
| hamitron | main hurdle is convincing others in my life, I should have more | 22:54 |
| hamitron | ;D | 22:55 |
| daftykins | XD | 22:55 |
| hamitron | 2 x 512MB PC3200 Corsair value select is nice too | 22:57 |
| hamitron | when you've finished sorting and need rid, feel free to poke me | 22:58 |
| hamitron | :) | 22:58 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 22:59 |
| shauno | hamitron: I wish I knew someone like you locally :) I'm way too lazy to recycle | 22:59 |
| daftykins | a friend still has my old nforce2 + Athlon XP PC up in England | 23:00 |
| hamitron | haha | 23:00 |
| daftykins | hamitron: you're not near Brighton are you? :) | 23:00 |
| hamitron | no, I could maybe get someone to collect for me though | 23:00 |
| hamitron | :D | 23:00 |
| shauno | laptop ram any use to you? | 23:00 |
| hamitron | tbh, I don't hoard laptops so much | 23:01 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| hamitron | gotta draw a line somewhere | 23:01 |
| hamitron | and that is i586 until recently | 23:01 |
| hamitron | desktop pc | 23:01 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:01 |
| daftykins | that list actually is missing my little 400MHz PIII Dell laptop beauty | 23:01 |
| daftykins | i don't think anyone would take that off me | 23:01 |
| * hamitron is using a K6-2 500MHz right now | 23:02 | |
| daftykins | D: | 23:02 |
| hamitron | I refuse to throw away working hardware | 23:02 |
| shauno | I've got 4GB I pulled from this one knocking around somewhere. and 2GB I pulled from a '07. they're not worth their weight in postage anymore :( | 23:03 |
| hamitron | 4GB? | 23:03 |
| hamitron | 2GB? | 23:03 |
| * hamitron faints | 23:03 | |
| hamitron | I think the worst thing about not throwing old hardware out | 23:04 |
| hamitron | is you still buy new hardware | 23:04 |
| hamitron | so end up with loads | 23:04 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| shauno | I never get to loads :) I try not to own more than I can fit in checked luggage | 23:05 |
| hamitron | I got 26 comps now :/ | 23:06 |
| hamitron | trying to cut it down to 20 | 23:06 |
| daftykins | D: | 23:06 |
| daftykins | as it was i got rid of 2 or 3 other Pentium II's a bit ago :) | 23:06 |
| daftykins | the original 120MHz pentium 1 is still upstairs, my dad refuses to ditch that since he still remembers it costing £1600 new | 23:07 |
| hamitron | I think my next clear out, is gonna be CRT monitors | 23:07 |
| hamitron | daftykins, same | 23:07 |
| daftykins | monitor died ages ago, CD drive died | 23:07 |
| hamitron | my first PC | 23:07 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:07 |
| daftykins | rest is still original i think | 23:07 |
| daftykins | yeah CRTs are definitely at death's door | 23:07 |
| daftykins | i've only got the one remaining upstairs | 23:07 |
| daftykins | a 17" Hitachi i think | 23:07 |
| hamitron | I'm using CRT now | 23:07 |
| daftykins | i was gonna pop it on and see what games look like without LCD response time fail one more time | 23:08 |
| daftykins | but i've yet to get around to it ;) | 23:08 |
| shauno | I've still got one :( I hate it, but I haven't found a flatscreen that'll sync slow enough for my amiga | 23:09 |
| hamitron | there is something that feels good about using a linux terminal on an old dusty CRT | 23:09 |
| hamitron | but my reason for not dumping them mostly, is just been cheap | 23:10 |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:10 |
| daftykins | hehe | 23:10 |
| daftykins | i've even a 19" DVI+VGA samsung LCD upstairs that i don't use | 23:11 |
| daftykins | sad really | 23:11 |
| daftykins | i remember moving to that from a 21" CRT | 23:11 |
| daftykins | was kind of a move backwards at the time | 23:11 |
| daftykins | super high res -> 1280x1024 | 23:11 |
| hamitron | yeh | 23:11 |
| hamitron | that is reason I stayed with CRT for ages | 23:11 |
| hamitron | then when mine blew, plenty of people had given me old CRT | 23:12 |
| hamitron | and I just feel I have to use them till they die | 23:12 |
| daftykins | :) | 23:12 |
| hamitron | I do have 1 LCD | 23:12 |
| hamitron | and tbh, it gives me no extra desk space | 23:12 |
| daftykins | is it that old? :) | 23:13 |
| hamitron | haha | 23:13 |
| hamitron | well | 23:13 |
| hamitron | this room is a loft conversion | 23:13 |
| hamitron | so LCD just has space behind it | 23:13 |
| hamitron | the LCD screen can be 1-2" further back | 23:14 |
| hamitron | but once you take into account the stand | 23:14 |
| hamitron | no extra room | 23:14 |
| daftykins | ah-har | 23:17 |
| daftykins | https://imgur.com/r/funny/sqIKW | 23:17 |
| daftykins | ooh that does amuse | 23:17 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:20 |
| hamitron | anyways, I better get some work prep done for tomorrow | 23:20 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:20 |
| daftykins | what's that? | 23:20 |
| daftykins | i've a bike to pick up from the shop and a clients desktop PC to upgrade :D | 23:21 |
| daftykins | core 2 quad -> ivybridge i7 \o/ | 23:21 |
| ali1234 | psychonauts is finally up on software centre | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | what's the minimum maximum opengl texture size on "modern" cards? 4096x4096? | 23:46 |
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