[00:24] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Ten love songs specifically by Dolly Parton all of which are better than I Will Always Love You - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/06/11/ten-love-songs-specifically-by-dolly-parton-all-of-which-are-better-than-i-will-always-love-you
[01:16] <mrgt_> having a problem setting up my HP Photosmart C4780 printer in 12.04 via USB. Isntalled hplip but still no luck. Anyone able help?
[01:24] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu App Developer Goings On - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/12/ubuntu-app-developer-goings-on/
[01:38] <Azelphur> Anyone about who knows how to set up netbooting and is willing to help me for a little while? :)
[04:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: at 3:38am? :P
[04:56] <Azelphur> or 6am
[04:56] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[04:59] <MartijnVdS> but.. netbooting
[04:59] <MartijnVdS> PXE?
[04:59] <Azelphur> something like that
[05:00] <Azelphur> basically I just have a .img file and want everything to boot off it
[05:00] <MartijnVdS> an .img file.. hmm
[05:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I'm assuming you've found http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX
[05:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto
[05:02] <Azelphur> I know from experience that DisklessUbuntuHowto is extremely wrong and out of date
[05:02] <MartijnVdS> ok
[05:02] <Azelphur> but the first one could be good :)
[05:02] <Azelphur> that's the problem, a lot of the documentation is really out of date
[05:02] <MartijnVdS> that's "client side" (bootloader that's pushed over PXE)
[05:02] <Azelphur> and doesn't work with the software that ships with modern distros
[05:03] <MartijnVdS> This then? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[05:04] <Azelphur> that could be fun too :)
[05:04] <Azelphur> oops :P
[05:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] The Art of Community Second Edition Released - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/12/the-art-of-community-second-edition-released/
[06:52] <knightwise> hey everyone
[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:12] <DJones> Morning, another beautiful day
[07:42] <diplo> Morning all
[08:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:04] <DJones> Morning czajkowski
[08:04] <DJones> & diplo
[08:05] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:07] <awilkins> popey, Was the "question mark" icon for an unknown app meant to disappear in recent unity updates?
[08:08] <awilkins> I just have a transparent icon in it's place now, it just looks like an empty patch in the quickbar
[08:09] <awilkins> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10616420/missing-question-icon.png
[08:18] <mungojerry> how cold does it have to be to see your own breath?
[08:20] <DJones> mungojerry: Depends how humid it is
[08:20] <DJones> I guess you're cold
[08:31] <diplo> I was a bit cold last night, leather sofa was bloody cold and kids said they were cold and that rarely happens
[08:31] <diplo> So had a couple hours of heating :)
[08:33] <DJones> I was the opposite, roasting, shorts on, door wide open until about 10pm
[08:34] <DJones> and wasn't as if I was doing anything to keep me warm, was just sat on the couch watching tv
[08:34] <JamesTait> Morning all! :D
[08:36] <diplo> I normally am, either coming down with something or it was just bloody cold :)
[08:36] <popey> awilkins: i have seen that also, but not often
[08:36] <awilkins> popey, I just can't be bothered to re-login to see if it happens again
[08:37] <popey> awilkins: bug 772986
[08:37] <awilkins> popey, This is nvidia hardware with the proprietary driver if it's any help
[08:38] <awilkins> How abou this one : if you have a double-wide window carefully arranged to occupy the full screen width, clicking it's launcher icon moves it's right edge to the right hand screen
[08:39] <awilkins> e.g. using rdesktop with specified geometry 3360 wide on a dual 1680x1050 screen
[08:40] <awilkins> So you end up with half on this desktop, half on the next
[08:42] <popey> yeah, windows moving about is a pain
[08:42] <popey> i get that when windows are overhanging one desktop to another
[08:43] <popey> thats a compiz bug IMO and probably already filed but under some other description
[08:43] <popey> bug 874146 perhaps
[08:45] <awilkins> popey, Oh the thing where you drag to a second window with different (smaller) geometry
[08:45] <awilkins> I see that at work where my second monitor is smaller than first, when window is larger than second monitor
[08:45] <awilkins> It snaps back to the first monitor
[08:46] <awilkins> Or jumps a screen-width or so to the right off the screen and you have to drag it back
[08:46] <popey> yes
[08:46] <popey> i get that a fair bit
[08:46] <awilkins> I don't get this at home where my screens are the same geometry
[08:47] <AlanBell> it seems to have to fit on the smaller monitor entirely for the grid snap thing to put it on that monitor
[08:47] <awilkins> Yes, one workaround is to manually resize the window smaller before you drag it
[08:47] <AlanBell> I often pull a maximised window from the big monitor and want to maximise it on the smaller one using the top bar and grid snap
[08:48] <awilkins> Likewise
[08:50] <TheFred> hello
[08:52] <DJones> Morning TheFred
[08:53] <TheFred> Good morning
[09:03]  * DJones debates, flowers or chocolates for an anniversary
[09:04] <bigcalm> Beep
[09:04] <popey> boop
[09:04] <popey> (C) Acorn
[09:04] <bigcalm> :)
[09:06] <bigcalm> Hayley wasn't too impressed with my new Facebook photos
[09:08]  * popey hasn't seen them
[09:08] <bigcalm> :O
[09:08] <bigcalm> Check my timeline
[09:08] <popey> haha
[09:09] <bigcalm> I think having a shave improved the 2nd one
[09:09]  * TheFred is still trying to boot himself this morning
[09:10] <bigcalm> Has anybody managed to confirm the mysql login thing on ubuntu?
[09:10] <AlanBell> yes
[09:10] <bigcalm> while true;do mysql -u root -pfoo;done
[09:11] <AlanBell> the fix is released, an update sorts it out
[09:11] <bigcalm> Not managed to get in on any of my servers yet
[09:11] <bigcalm> Indeed, not installed it everywhere yet. I want to see it happen!
[09:12] <AlanBell> worked fine on my laptop running precise until I updated it
[09:13] <bigcalm> I'm trying to make it happen on my bytemark server running 10.04
[09:13] <AlanBell> servers set to automatically apply security updates will already be fixed
[09:13]  * popey tests cheese
[09:14] <popey> bigcalm: see my timeline ☺
[09:14] <AlanBell> popey: you are making my phone buzz, stop it!
[09:14] <popey> excellent
[09:15] <bigcalm> popey: I think I'm in love!
[09:15]  * bigcalm cracks up
[09:16] <bigcalm> I'm surprised by the negative comments on the cat video
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: can it do that on video too?
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: Because hangouts :)
[09:38] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:48] <TheFred> good morning brobostigon
[09:48] <brobostigon> good morning TheFred
[09:49] <bigcalm> Good morning paracetamol
[09:49] <brobostigon> yeah, mixed with codeine here.
[09:50] <bigcalm> I had a sneaky McD's breakfast wrap. I think this is karma
[09:52] <brobostigon> ah.
[09:53] <TheFred> meh - there's a few tutorials about getting starting with quickly for developing ubuntu applications, but when i run quickly edit i get gedit with all the python et al opened, but im really unsure where *my* code should go
[09:53] <mattt> morning morning morning
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning mattt
[09:57] <mattt> hey brobostigon, how you today ?
[09:59] <czajkowski> http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16245551  good to see
[10:00] <davmor2> morning all
[10:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, how's your back
[10:00] <czajkowski> davmor2: sore :/
[10:01] <DJones> czajkowski: No wonder you're back is sore is davmor2 keeps prodding it
[10:02] <davmor2> DJones: czajkowski will happily confirm I only ever prod her upper arm
[10:03] <czajkowski> yes this is true and then I end up with a bruise
[10:03] <DJones> Ouch
[10:03] <brobostigon> mattt: same as yesterday, but my bad skin, that was yesterday, is alittle more broken, and you?
[10:09] <mattt> brobostigon: woah, a lot of info
[10:09] <mattt> brobostigon: i'm pretty good ... why the bad skin?
[10:09] <brobostigon> mattt: where?
[10:10] <brobostigon> mattt: i have had a runny nose etc, so i probably had bugs inside me, and it has started to affect my eczema, as the type of eczema i have is atopic, it is more vulneralbe than normal to such infection.
[10:23] <czajkowski> DJones: ah I bruise really easily
[10:24] <DJones> czajkowski: That sounds like my wife, she bruises very easily, sometimes it looks like I've been beating her up when the dog has jumped on her
[10:25] <czajkowski> mum is the same, she gets some odd looks at times, she could walk into the side of a table and 15 mins later be up in a bruise
[10:25] <czajkowski> looks bad :(
[10:25] <DJones> Sounds the same
[10:26] <czajkowski> low in iron
[10:26] <czajkowski> more meat!
[10:27] <DJones> She's definatly not a vegetarian
[10:27] <mattt> i bruise easily
[10:27] <mattt> great excuse for me to go to those all you can eat brazil places :P
[10:28] <czajkowski> mattt: oh yes they are nice
[10:28] <czajkowski> we go to them in london down at the O2
[10:28] <czajkowski> come away very stuffed
[10:29] <directhex> i've only been to one of those
[10:29] <directhex> in cowley
[10:29] <directhex> it was a bit dingy, but there was lots of meat
[10:37] <daubers> Is it bad that most of the time these days when I see a new Apple/Google/Microsoft release I just go "Oh, new problems" and ignore it?
[10:39]  * popey shrugs
[10:52] <diplo> I've just come back from the mortagge advisor with a very odd looking popey staring at me :(
[10:54] <czajkowski> popey: those pics are a bit um.... disturbing :)
[10:55] <bigcalm> czajkowski: Hayley didn't like my photos either
[10:58] <czajkowski> bigcalm: heh
[11:03] <ingegnere_> hello everybody!  i was writing on this chat some days ago 'cause i found a BUG during the installation of UBUNTU 12.04 on my deskpc Fujitsu ESPRIMO HP300!
[11:04] <ingegnere_> actually is NOT possible for me to initiate the installation process 'cause i recived a kernel failure!
[11:05] <ingegnere_> I wanna know if is it possible that this problem is already pointed out!
[11:06] <ingegnere_> in addition i want to say that my pc is NEW! i bought it on this weekend and i try to install UBUNTU 12.04 from the same cd that i used with my laptop.
[11:08] <ingegnere_> no devices were plugin, no usb, and everything new.
[11:09] <brobostigon> do a search on launchpad.com/ubuntu within the bugs.
[11:09] <ingegnere_> i put the CD, the computer starts reading the cd, icons on screen are showed...the keyboard lights start to flashing and the pc freeze with some kernel-error!
[11:10] <brobostigon> ingegnere_:  do a search on launchpad.com/ubuntu within the bugs.
[11:10] <ingegnere_> i did it without significant result! so...
[11:10] <brobostigon> file a new one, :)
[11:10] <czajkowski> ingegnere_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:11] <ingegnere_> i have tryied with two different cd...same problem!
[11:15] <czajkowski> ingegnere_: report the bug so and see what happens from there
[11:15] <czajkowski> ingegnere_: where did you get the cd?
[11:15] <ingegnere_> ok! i'm doing it! ;)
[11:31] <ingegnere_> ok you can find my message in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu!
[11:31] <ingegnere_> thank you!
[11:31] <czajkowski> which bug number?
[11:32] <ingegnere_> Bug #1012071
[11:34] <czajkowski> ingegnere_: where did you get the ubuntu cd from ??
[12:25] <mondokey> mondo is still alive and kicking : http://www.mondorescue.org/downloads.shtml
[12:27] <mondokey> but has anyone been able to install mondo's  gpg key under ubuntu 12.04 and the install mondo without any authentication errors?
[12:28] <bubu\a> in bash script, how can I echo variables into a file?
[12:28] <bubu\a> putting the echo in "" or '' causes the variable not to be rea
[12:29] <diplo> echo $VARIABLE >> file.txt ?
[12:30] <bubu\a> I'm trying to
[12:30] <diplo> Works fine for me, just made sure
[12:30] <diplo> so to test i did echo $PATH >> file.txt
[12:33] <bubu\a> echo 'SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR(address)=="$mac_add", ATTR(dev_id)=="0x0", ATTR(type)=="1". KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="$int_add"' >> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules
[12:33] <bubu\a> so not quiute so simple as just variable...
[12:33] <dwatkins> is $PATH set at this time, diplo?
[12:36] <diplo> Well you didn't say that :D
[12:37] <diplo> Funnily enough I was playing with udev rules the other day albeit on CentOS
[12:37] <bubu\a> hehe
[12:37] <bubu\a> i need to script to add new udev rules
[12:37] <bubu\a> but all I take it all the actions need "" around them
[12:37] <bubu\a> and then with the variable in there too
[12:37] <diplo> I was tring to write something special/rubbish for usb pen drives
[12:37] <bubu\a> im not doing it right
[12:38] <diplo> Then thought sod it and wrote a bash script and bodged it
[12:38] <diplo> I had loads of issues with mine bubu\a think it's why I gave up ( been a while )
[12:38] <diplo> And all the blog posts were a few years old
[12:38] <diplo> See if I can remember what I did now
[12:38] <bubu\a> lol
[12:39] <bubu\a> thx
[12:39] <bubu\a> :)
[12:39] <bubu\a> this would literally be falling over at the first hurdle of probably a very long script
[12:39] <bubu\a> :(
[12:53] <bubu\a> any luck diplo ?
[12:56] <AlanBell> gosh, someone living in London can have RMS as a houseguest
[12:56] <popey> NO PARROTS!
[12:58]  * davmor2 hears the hoards racing to their local pet shop to get a parrot
[13:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: did he find his passport so he can fly?
[13:06] <czajkowski> popey: do you have a new addition to the pet family ?
[13:07] <popey> not yet
[13:07] <czajkowski> close :)
[13:08] <AlanBell> I am sure he will sort out a new passport (after being fingerprinted and iris scanned and photographed and all that put on an RFID chip)
[13:09] <czajkowski> and if he objects he may be stranded :)
[13:13] <ahayzen> Hi, I'm having an issue with the HUD reading the menubar from a PyGObject script. Which is the best IRC channel to ask for assistance? Thanks, Andy
[13:15] <gord> ahayzen, probably #ubuntu-unity
[13:15] <ahayzen> gord: Thanks :)
[13:28] <diplo> bubu\a: Sorry stuck on the phone for last 20 mins
[13:29] <diplo> Not found anything yet sorry
[13:36] <meet> how long does the upgrade  from  11.10 to 12.04 take? how large is the download size?
[13:36] <AlanBell> depends how much stuff you have installed on 11.10
[13:36] <AlanBell> probably a gig or so of download at least
[13:38] <meet> 1 gb? why? the normal full installation is less than that right?
[13:39] <gord> if you haven't installed anything since installing 11.10, then it'll be around the same size as a cd
[13:40] <gord> if you installed more stuff, it'll need to get more package to upgrade that stuff, so that inflates the download size
[13:41] <meet> no i hv installed many other things. ok. And while upgrading if it is interrupted in between, what are the consequences?
[13:42] <ali1234> the consequences will never be the same
[13:43] <mattt> meet: interrupted how?
[13:43] <mattt> downloaded interrupted?  that should be OK
[13:43] <AlanBell> if it is interrupted whilst downloading packages you might be OK
[13:43] <mattt> if you shut off your system mid way through an upgrade tho ... well .......
[13:44] <AlanBell> interrupting whilst installing and configuring packages is less likely to have a pleasant outcome
[13:45] <meet> like power failure or internet disconnection or manually if i click cancel etc..
[13:46] <mattt> power failure is what i'd be concerned about
[13:46] <mattt> it downloads updates in batches then will try to apply them i believe
[13:46] <mattt> so if you have a failed download or whatever, the system will be able to determine that and act accordingly
[13:46] <meet> btw i got the window asking whether i want to start with the upgrade.. i got a slow connection.. it says 4 hrs time will be needed.. so i guess i will put it up at night.. so at this stage if i cancel.. will it again start from the scratch?
[13:47] <ali1234> no, it keeps the downloads
[13:48] <meet> ok. in the checklist preparing upgrade and setting software channels is checked. It is at the download package stage. i am planning to cancel it now and redo at night? will it be fine?
[14:03] <AlanBell> probably
[14:05] <diplo> Anyone got any suggestions as to why mount -a could fail to load something from fstab
[14:05] <ali1234> noauto tag
[14:05] <diplo> general idea, loads by doing mount /dev/sdb1
[14:05] <diplo> ah, good point
[14:05] <diplo> :D
[14:06] <diplo> I had to put that in there, hmmm
[14:06] <diplo> I'll just hard code /dev/sdb1 for now until I write a better solution, cheers ali1234
[14:34] <ali1234> "by linking social content and sharing directly to advanced business intelligence you can find the unicorn"
[14:35] <mungojerry> ali1234, http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/examples/gobbledygook-generator.html ?
[14:46] <davmor2> mungojerry: Only geeks stuck in the 90s still go for responsive management concepts. nice
[16:09] <kvarley> Has anybody used bandwidthd or darkstat? If so, which would you recommend? If anybody has used any bandwidth monitoring software I'd also like to know about what you use. =]
[16:10] <popey> MartijnVdS: have you seen songkick is now available for android?
[16:11] <mattt> kvarley: think i used vnstat at one point
[16:12] <kvarley> mattt: Thanks, the ones I mentioned have web interfaces which would be more useful for the current situation. However, I think I may use this vnStat on my system! Thanks =]
[16:13] <hamitron> I used bandwidthd, was easy to setup.... but didn't really do what I wanted
[16:14] <kvarley> hamitron: What did you want? And what do you think about security of it? Like all your data passes through it, so any chance of them stealing details, etc? I see its open source so it should be fine but you know - never can be too careful.
[16:15] <hamitron> I didn't need to really consider security
[16:15] <hamitron> it was just to monitor youtube usage
[16:15] <hamitron> ;)
[16:15] <hamitron> I can't remember what it didn't do
[16:16] <hamitron> does it maybe not support dynamic ip clients or something?
[16:16] <kvarley> hamitron: That may be it. I see IPs but not MACs on screenshots.
[16:17] <hamitron> at the time, it was hassle, and I went for cutting the junk to maintain
[16:17] <hamitron> with everything, to reduce work on a network that didn't matter
[16:42] <davmor2> Muhahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP1hrqIk_0Q&feature=related
[16:44] <dogmatic69> anyone know where I can get reasonable rack cabinets, +- 12U -> 24U ?
[16:44] <dogmatic69> used ones
[16:48] <kaushal> Hi
[16:48] <kaushal> Anyone using cssh tool?
[17:05] <dwatkins> cluster ssh, kaushal?
[17:22] <kaushal> dwatkins: yes
[17:23] <kaushal> dwatkins: I am running cluster ssh in Ubuntu 11.10 using unity desktop shell
[17:24] <livingdaylight> greetings
[17:24] <kaushal> when i switch tab to other application and i return to cluster ssh to do a retile or press alt-r it doesnot align the xterm windows
[17:24] <kaushal> Any clue?
[17:26] <dwatkins> sorry no, I don't use unity.
[17:26] <dwatkins> perhaps someone else has ideas, or you could ask on #ubuntu
[17:26] <kaushal> ok
[17:26] <kaushal> sure
[17:26] <kaushal> dwatkins: Thanks
[17:38] <popey> kvarley: can you put an ntp client on your openelec image please ☺
[17:38] <popey> hello livingdaylight
[17:45] <ali1234> popey: http://www.ladyada.net/learn/breakoutplus/ds1307rtc.html
[17:46] <ali1234> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/rtc/rtc-ds1307.c
[17:49] <dwatkins> happy days
[17:49] <dwatkins> I used to support machines which had Dallas chips on the motherboard which had to be moved between boards when they were replaced.
[17:50] <dwatkins> The batteries were built into the chip, so they would eventually need replacing, too.
[17:51] <ali1234> kaushal: that's probably bug 916542
[17:51] <kvarley> popey: Does adding ntp to the cmdline.txt file work?
[17:51] <kaushal> ali1234: ok
[17:52] <popey> kvarley: dunno, will try
[17:52] <popey> also
[17:52] <popey> it refuses to connect to my home linux box runnings amba
[17:52] <popey> *samba
[17:53] <popey> "connection refused"
[17:55] <livingdaylight> hi popey
[17:56] <kvarley> popey: Hmm, I'll have a look. I suspect it may be because certain things aren't in the cmdline.txt file. I haven't changed any binary files, just merely packaged the most basic form of OpenELEC into an image with a script so it may be a case of missing config! =]
[17:57] <popey> wonder if it's timing out
[17:57] <popey> well, it does give timeout messages
[17:57] <livingdaylight> I got a new hd on which I installed Ubuntu. However, the most recent disc I had on me was v. 10.10 I subsequently upgraded distro by distro, i.e. 11.04 11.10, until I reached 12.04. Since then I got the recent LinuxFormat dvd with 12.04 on it. I wondered whether I should do a fresh install or am I fine? My concern is that the integrity of the installation could get corrupted by upgrading that many times
[17:58] <popey> kvarley: is there any way I can get a shell open on it?
[17:58] <popey> livingdaylight: "if it aint broke"
[17:58] <kvarley> popey: Ctrl + Alt + F2 doesn't work?
[17:59] <popey> nope
[17:59]  * kvarley gets his pi
[17:59] <livingdaylight> popey, it appears fine, but wondered whether things might be half-broke by that many upgrades.
[18:00] <popey> not really
[18:02] <livingdaylight> ok, thx
[18:15]  * davmor2 is playing England: The Album 2010 as he is feeling particularly buoyed up at the moment
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> "England: The Album 2010"?
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> Is that an album full of versions of God Save the Queen and Rule Britannia?
[18:17] <dwatkins> Danny Boy
[18:17] <dwatkins> Perhaps the theme tunr from Only Fools and Horses is on the B-side.
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: and Auld Lang Syne as hidden bonus track :P
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: just to annoy ;)
[18:19] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: http://www.covershut.com/back_covers/England-The-Album-2010-Back-Cover-42243.jpg
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: you get Queen as well? :)
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://www.bol.com/nl/p/538-wk-2010-voetbal/1000004008663311/#product_images
[18:20] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: nah, half the people don't know the words
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: no but it'll annoy the Scots, on a CD called "England: The Album" ;)
[18:21] <dwatkins> the scots will just make their own version
[18:21] <dwatkins> There will be at least one Pretenders song on it.
[18:22] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Shockingly they were an English Group :)  We've been sing we are the champions around football grounds as long as the song has been out :)
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so have the Dutch :P
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so has _anyone_ really ;)
[18:23] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Yeah but we heard the song before the rest of the world :D
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> spotify:user:ertje20:playlist:2af1V2qRAu208iYuADOtQj
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> we get "classics" like that
[18:27] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: :)
[19:06]  * Laney eyes bitfolk
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:09] <Laney> nutty packet loss
[19:09] <Laney> try mtr orangesquash.org.uk
[19:10] <dwatkins> ouch, yeah Laney
[19:11] <popey> is the internet broken today?
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> Not my internets
[19:11] <Laney> the magic of TCP is keeping my IRC alive!
[19:11] <Laney> also mosh
[19:13] <popey> spot the bitfolk users ☺
[19:13]  * Laney wonders if it's better
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> wouldn't that be "bitfolks"?
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> or "bitfolkies"
[19:14] <popey> or just "bit folk"
[19:14] <dwatkins> hmmm, I've not tried mtr since switching to BeThere, I get brokenness on the first few (internal) hops
[19:23] <davmor2> theres a lib called liblastfm now depending on how you see it initial will make you wonder whether it is a radio station of near swearing and lies, or people in beds being blown up
[19:24] <bigcalm> Looks like I might be getting my boss' Thinkpad x301
[19:24] <bigcalm> When, no idea. Something to look forward to though
[19:24] <bigcalm> blast.fm!
[19:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: li-blast.fm
[19:26] <bigcalm> Damn, don't think I can buy an iPad2 case before work place day on Thursday
[19:26] <bigcalm> Maybe it'll be ok in the laptop bag
[19:30] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I keep mine in a neoprene netbook bag
[19:30] <bigcalm> That's a good idea
[19:30] <bigcalm> I have a sturdy leather case that also acts as a stand for my Motorola Xoom
[19:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: Why do you have an ipad 2
[19:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: app testing
[19:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yeah, yeah, yeah ;)
[19:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: I really feel nothing towards it. Which is a shame as it cost me enough. I thought I would be excited to have a new toy. Nothing...
[19:33] <ali1234> i don't get what is exciting about tablets
[19:34] <ali1234> they are just big phones that can't make phone calls
[19:34] <dwatkins> or small computers with no keyboard
[19:34] <ali1234> no, that's exactly what they aren't
[19:34] <bigcalm> Depends how you use them
[19:34] <dwatkins> oh?
[19:34] <ali1234> they're not powerful enough to run modern operating systems
[19:35] <bigcalm> I have an TerminalIDE on my Xoom. Dev wherever I go :)
[19:35] <ali1234> they're also not equivalent to older computers because they lack technical documentation
[19:35] <ali1234> at best they are a thin client for a real OS
[19:35] <ali1234> but what's exciting about that?
[19:35] <davmor2> ali1234: yes they are, quad cores at 1.5ghz is more than enough
[19:35] <ali1234> it's as exciting as a monitor
[19:36] <ali1234> no, quad core ARMs at 1.5ghz is not powerful enough
[19:36] <ali1234> quad core x86-64 at 3GHz is a real computer
[19:36] <ali1234> besides, there's no software on a tablet that can really take advantage of multiple cores
[19:37] <ali1234> it's not like they can do multitasking, run productivity software or anything really
[19:39] <dwatkins> I still find it fascinating that I can emulate a BBC Micro on my phone.
[19:39] <dwatkins> (Beebdroid)
[19:39] <bigcalm> This might do me http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/19517437/-/Product.html
[19:39] <ali1234> you can emulate anything up to a playstation 1 on most android phones
[19:40] <ali1234> of course playing games on a touchscreen is totally awful
[19:40] <dwatkins> yeah, I gather there are some bluetooth gamepads available, not sure how many nor if they're any good
[19:41] <bigcalm> Yep, I hate playing Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Where's my Water, etc on my tablets
[19:41] <ali1234> yeah there's one problem with that
[19:41] <ali1234> you;re sitting on the bus playing sonic with your bluetooth controller
[19:41] <ali1234> that means you're not touching the phone
[19:41] <ali1234> that means some scally can grab it and run
[19:42] <popey> bigcalm: why?
[19:42] <bigcalm> popey: sarcasm
[19:42] <popey> oh
[19:43] <davmor2> popey: I was gonna say he missed the sarcasm tags
[19:43]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[19:43] <popey> oooh
[19:44] <popey> raspberry pi now has a beta stackexchange site like askubuntu
[19:44] <dwatkins> ali1234: I guess it might be handy to have some way to attach it to yourself, not sure if many phones have that
[19:44] <ali1234> popey: i saw that. pointless
[19:44] <dwatkins> popey: excellent, I was wondering what's going on with the graphics stack
[19:45] <bigcalm> Most Japanese phones have a point on the device that allows you to attach phone charms - they are nuts for them over there
[19:45] <ali1234> every answer will be either "yes, see this identical question about debian" or "no"
[19:45] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I was someone with a huge mirror on their phone once, they kept looking at themselves in it, too
[19:45] <bigcalm> Haha
[19:47] <dwatkins> *saw
[19:47] <dwatkins> oops
[19:47] <dwatkins> she might as well have gotten one of those mirrored phone screen covers
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> phones have cameras these days
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> they could just use the front-facing camera
[19:56] <dwatkins> is there a problem on the wider internets, or does my ISP just not enjoy sending back traceroute pings to the mtr command?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> no problems on the Dutch interwebs
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> No problems from NL to Bytemark
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> (on ipv6)!
[20:01] <dwatkins> perhaps it's just BeThere's routers not replying to mtr
[20:34] <dogmatic69> what is the best way to look at a 200mb + text file from terminal?
[20:35] <dogmatic69> thought nano was good but its choking on it
[20:35] <popey> more or less
[20:35] <dogmatic69> :/
[20:35] <dogmatic69> is that a command?
[20:35] <dogmatic69> or it is more or less good
[20:36] <brobostigon> those are both commands.
[20:36] <brobostigon> :)
[20:36] <dogmatic69> cool, so cat file | more
[20:36] <dogmatic69> or | less
[20:36] <brobostigon> have a play.
[20:36]  * dogmatic69 goes off to melt the cpu
[20:37] <shauno> 'more filename' or 'less filename' work too.  you don't always have to abuse cats :)
[20:37] <brobostigon> :)
[20:37] <dogmatic69> ah, I got that from some tutorials on the net a while back
[20:39] <dogmatic69> more seems much better
[20:40] <dogmatic69> its instant, less has lag when going to the next line
[20:45] <dogmatic69> would linux have a problem with files that have long lines?
[20:46] <dogmatic69> I know gedit does not like it, but how about something like mysqlimport?
[20:48] <dogmatic69> lines are say 6mb long
[20:56] <dogmatic69> damn. tr is pretty damn efficient.
[21:05] <soulnafein> Hello, what kernel version will 12.04.1 ship with?
[21:07] <AlanBell> hi soulnafein
[21:07] <AlanBell> 3.2.0-25 is the current precise kernel
[21:07] <soulnafein> will it be update to 3.3.x ?
[21:07] <AlanBell> might be a touch higher than that by the .1 release I guess
[21:07] <soulnafein> *updated
[21:07] <popey> it should be possible to use a quantal kernel
[21:08] <soulnafein> because at the moment I have to use a mainline kernel, I assume there are drawbacks in doing so.
[21:08] <soulnafein> that's due to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/898784
[21:12] <soulnafein> popey, what would you do to avoid that problem. From what I read it seems unlikely that 3.2 will be patched with the fix for that bug.
[21:12] <popey> what i did was get rid of my mac
[21:15] <soulnafein> popey, I'm contemplating that :D
[21:15] <soulnafein> popey, I guess apple hardware is not the prime candidate for linux installations
[21:15] <soulnafein> but they are so pwetty!
[21:15] <popey> indeed they are
[21:16] <popey> I'd ask in #ubuntu-kernel what they suspect 12.04.1 will ship with
[21:16] <popey> but probably be more people about during the working UK day
[21:16] <soulnafein> cheers, I'll ask tomorrow morning
[21:19] <bigcalm> Humm. Is it possible to use --no-clobber in wget on all but one file?
[21:37] <bigcalm> Ah, it's easier to just delete a file before running wget :)
[21:37]  * bigcalm puts php down for a moment
[21:38] <bigcalm> Is it wrong that I use PHP for shell scripts?
[21:38] <daftykins> whatever works i'm sure ^_^
[21:40] <bigcalm> I used to do things in perl. That wouldn't have been sneered at
[21:40] <bigcalm> My job is both the source and bane of my geek cred
[21:41] <bigcalm> What's a good twitter client for the iPad?
[21:41] <bigcalm> Almost called it an iPat - I'm blaming this very fine Belgian beer :)
[21:46] <daftykins> i'd have felt better if you did ;)
[21:46] <bigcalm> Tweetdeck is pants for the iPat
[21:46] <bigcalm> Oops, there you go :)
[21:47] <daftykins> makes me think that Apple delivered it to customers in a slightly different way than expected...
[21:48] <bigcalm> The device looks physically nice, can't say it was pooped out ;)
[21:51]  * bigcalm kicks Nationwide
[21:53] <dogmatic69> why would 10% swap be used if there is 2.5gigs spare ram?
[21:54] <daftykins> fail allocation?
[21:55] <shauno> if they're pages that haven't been touched in eons, there may still be some benefit to swapping them out so the ram can be used for disk buffers & such
[21:55] <dogmatic69> ok
[21:55] <dogmatic69> I am only running a mysql import
[21:55] <shauno> (you'll also see that when something used to be using a chunk of ram, but isn't anymore.  there's no rush to bring inactive pages back into play)
[21:55] <dogmatic69> maybe linux decided its good to have the ram ready?
[21:56] <bigcalm> watch free -m
[21:56] <bigcalm> See if swap is changing size at all
[21:57] <bigcalm> Or install gkrellm2 (or similar) and watch things happen in a nice graphical way
[21:58] <Azelphur> I'm interested in diskless booting 8 machines via netboot using a specific drive image file, is this easy/possible? any suggestions?
[22:02] <Azelphur> or how about fan control, I could do with some help on fan speed control if anyone knows how to do that :)
[22:04] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: I been watching it in htop, pretty much fixed
[22:04] <dogmatic69> ram is between 1500 and 1600 / 3800 and swap is 440 -> 445 / 4029
[22:05] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: I can tell you how with something like an arduino :)
[22:05] <dogmatic69> (fan speed that is)
[22:05] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: haha
[22:06] <Azelphur> building something is a bit beyond me
[22:06] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: it would just be some sort of pwm
[22:06] <Azelphur> although I wouldn't mind paying a small fee for it to be built :)
[22:06] <dogmatic69> in theory you should be able to do it from bash or with c++ at least
[22:07] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: yea, but the question is how, lm-sensors can see my fan, the bios can control fan speed
[22:07] <Azelphur> so all the hardware is there, it's just how do I actually do it in Linux
[22:07] <Azelphur> pwmconfig claims "There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed"
[22:08] <dogmatic69> sudo apt-get install fancontrol
[22:08] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: yea, fancontrol is the daemon and pwmconfig generates the config file for fancontrol if I'm understanding things right
[22:08] <Azelphur> but pwmconfig of course says I have no pwm-capable sensors :(
[22:09] <dogmatic69> ill install them quick
[22:09] <dogmatic69> one sec
[22:10] <dogmatic69> apparently nor do I have pwm
[22:11] <Azelphur> nobody has pwm \o/
[22:11] <daftykins> :D
[22:11] <daftykins> which fans?
[22:11] <daftykins> are you wanting to control
[22:12] <Azelphur> Scythe Ultra Kaze (3000RPM edition)
[22:12]  * dogmatic69 has 15 fans
[22:12] <bigcalm> Popular
[22:12] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: you have the same amount of fans I want to connect
[22:12] <dogmatic69> next pc is getting water cooling
[22:12] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: har har :D
[22:12] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: this is water ;)
[22:12] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: water == no fans...
[22:12] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120606_180257.jpg
[22:12]  * Azelphur is doing science
[22:13] <dogmatic69> the whole point is no fans
[22:13] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: noes, the whole point is to just be ridiculously OTT and overclock to ridiculous levels
[22:13] <Azelphur> :D
[22:13] <dogmatic69> he he
[22:13] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[22:13] <Azelphur> the rad has fans as you can see :)
[22:13] <Azelphur> it will have 4 on each side, but right now I only have a 5 channel fan controller to stop them running at 3k rpm so most arn't hooked up
[22:13] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: just connect a red wire direct to the ram. I believe higher +v is better.
[22:14] <Azelphur> wat o.O
[22:14] <ali1234> stacking fans doesn't do much you know
[22:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: they arn't stacked, the rad has 4 fans on each side
[22:14] <ali1234> it just creates turbulence
[22:14] <gebbione> is there a way i can show the passwords managed withing ssh-agent?
[22:15] <ali1234> gebbione: seahorse
[22:15] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: I just fitted one of these http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BB-007-AE
[22:16] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: yea, thing is I'd like to do some custom stuff with cooling and fan control in software
[22:17] <dogmatic69> well, in theory if these apps are not working and you are handy around some c / c++ you could use arduino and processing
[22:17] <dogmatic69> even make your own touch screen control
[22:17] <dogmatic69> or processing app to manage it
[22:17] <gebbione> ali1234,  how can i show a private key password?
[22:17] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: yea, my electronics knowledge is absolute 0
[22:18] <ali1234> gebbione: you can't
[22:18] <Azelphur> I had a bit of a look at it, but it doesn't seem like a beginner project xD
[22:18] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: its a pretty simple setup, you just want to add something along the lines of a electronic light dimmer on each fan
[22:18] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: do you already have one controlling your fans?
[22:18] <gebbione> mhhh it lets me change the passphrase
[22:19] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: nope, just that link I posted
[22:19] <gebbione> but i cannot access the key when i use the same passphrase
[22:19] <Azelphur> ah
[22:19] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: see I want to do cool stuff, like set a target RPM (which will be overriden if temperatures go out of sane ranges)
[22:20] <dogmatic69> ye
[22:20] <Azelphur> so I can set the target RPM to 0, turning everything off, but if the temps go too high, it'll fire everything up again
[22:20] <Azelphur> which would work great while I'm asleep
[22:20] <ali1234> that makes no sense
[22:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: if the computers idle, and I'm asleep, the fans don't need to run at all, the pump and ambient should keep everything cool at idle
[22:21] <Azelphur> but, if something happens that causes my CPU usage to spike up while I'm asleep, I sure as hell want the fans to kick in
[22:21] <ali1234> then there is no need to have software control
[22:21] <Azelphur> how so?
[22:21] <Azelphur> during the day I want the fans to run lol
[22:22] <ali1234> what if the computer crashes?
[22:22] <ali1234> oops, no fan control
[22:22] <Azelphur> doesn't that happen anyway
[22:22] <daftykins> i always thought about having a PC on the other side of a wall behind the desk :D
[22:22] <Azelphur> (hense why my 8800GT melted recently)
[22:22] <ali1234> no
[22:22] <daftykins> then just run the cables through \o/
[22:22] <ali1234> if you buy a fan controller it has temperature sensors
[22:22] <Azelphur> yea, my current one has temp sensors
[22:23] <Azelphur> but I don't think you can set a fans to turn off
[22:23] <ali1234> just get a bigger radiator
[22:23] <hamitron> I thought some let you pick the lowest rpm or voltage?
[22:24] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[22:24] <ali1234> http://grahamfrost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/radiator.jpg
[22:24] <Azelphur> lol
[22:24] <hamitron> ali1234, so long as it is in chrome ;)
[22:24] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's silly, I'm want the fans to run during the day >.<
[22:24] <Azelphur> I should be able to control them in software
[22:24] <Azelphur> You can do this in Windows(tm)
[22:24] <ali1234> just get a big enough radiator so that you don't need fans
[22:24] <hamitron> this room is near the water tank in the house, now if......
[22:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: I can't mount any bigger of a radiator to my case obviously >.>
[22:25] <ali1234> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_OMvQU4Z6QmI/TRP-fToyrJI/AAAAAAAABsE/7QMgQDTQEh4/radiator%5B4%5D.jpg
[22:25] <Azelphur> lol
[22:26] <hamitron> think of better ways to warm ones vitals
[22:26] <hamitron> ;/
[22:26] <Azelphur> so yea back on subject, I'm trying to get control of these fans in software \o/
[22:27] <hamitron> I personally think you should make a separate system to control it
[22:27] <Azelphur> yea, but as I said I know nothing about electronics so it's not my field at all
[22:28] <hamitron> touch screen would be nice too
[22:28] <Azelphur> needs to be done in software, which it should be able to be anyway
[22:29] <hamitron> I just feel you need to make the electronics to do it in software on the PC, so may as well make the electronics to be even m0re cool
[22:29] <Azelphur> hamitron: not really, I got the akasa smart splitters, atm I'm only trying to control one simple fan connected directly to the mobo though
[22:29] <Azelphur> this should be possible
[22:30] <hamitron> using the cpu fan header?
[22:31] <daftykins> Azelphur: you totally strike me as the kinda person to go "Arduino time!"
[22:31] <daftykins> then scurry off and make some fancy setup ;)
[22:32] <Azelphur> daftykins: haha, I am only thing is that I don't have the experience to do it
[22:32] <Azelphur> hamitron: using Chassis Fan 1 header
[22:32] <daftykins> how are the fans on the radiator powered right now?
[22:32] <ali1234> azelphur broke an arduino in under 5 minutes
[22:32] <Azelphur> daftykins: external fan controller (Sentry LXE)
[22:33] <daftykins> said controller doesn't have any probes or automation?
[22:33] <Azelphur> daftykins: but the fan I'm trying to control is plugged directly to the mobo on CHA1
[22:33] <hamitron> I thought them links I gave you Azelphur, seemed cool
[22:33] <hamitron> is this 3 or 4 pin?
[22:33] <Azelphur> it has probes, but no way of turning a fan off, and no way of controlling from software
[22:33] <daftykins> 3 i bet
[22:34] <Azelphur> hamitron: my fans are 3
[22:34] <hamitron> aren't they a fixed 12V?
[22:34] <hamitron> with monitor
[22:34]  * hamitron shrugs
[22:34] <Azelphur> hamitron: no idea, they are most definitely controllable by the header on the motherboard though, as I can do it from the bios, and with the fan controller
[22:35] <hamitron> so you just need software for that
[22:35] <Azelphur> exactly
[22:35] <Azelphur> then I'd be all set
[22:35] <Azelphur> assuming the smart splitters pass it through, which I assume they do :)
[22:35] <hamitron> hang on
[22:35] <hamitron> bad idea
[22:35] <Azelphur> D:
[22:36] <hamitron> you think the motherboard can handle that kind of load?
[22:36] <Azelphur> hamitron: the smart splitters pull power from molex
[22:36] <hamitron> smart splitters?
[22:36] <Azelphur> but right now I'm just working with 1 fan, connected directly to the motherboard
[22:37] <Azelphur> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Akasa-AK-CB002-PWM-splitter-smart/dp/B001J2YRUC/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
[22:37] <hamitron> they are the splitters I saw last time?
[22:37] <Azelphur> yep
[22:38] <hamitron> don't the yellow cables provide a fixed 12V to the fans with them?
[22:38] <hamitron> directly from the PSU
[22:38] <Azelphur> don't think so, the whole point of that cable is to read the power off the motherboard and plug things into them
[22:38] <Azelphur> I could test and see if I can control the fan speed from the bios via one of those splitters to be sure
[22:39] <hamitron> I suspect you'll need something to change the voltage supplied to the yellow cables on the molex
[22:41] <Azelphur> hamitron: but yea, besides that I'm mainly asking how to get control of a single fan connected to the mobo
[22:41] <Azelphur> as half the planet does xD
[22:41] <hamitron> I think I'd just use them cables with your PSU, and buy some bolts to clamp your PC to the desk
[22:41] <hamitron> and ear plugs
[22:42] <hamitron> :D
[22:42] <Azelphur> lol
[22:44] <dwatkins> USB serial adapter -> D/A converter -> potentiometer?
[22:44] <daftykins> i could post you one of the PIIIs i'm about to get rid of, never have temperature issues again!
[22:44] <daftykins> :D
[22:44] <dwatkins> not sure how you'd actually implement that, or whether you could just do it with two devices, but that's where I'd start with manual fan control.
[22:45] <hamitron> rid of P3? :-o
[22:45] <daftykins> yep
[22:45] <hamitron> you wasteful being
[22:45] <daftykins> hey they had a good run
[22:45] <Azelphur> I have a P4 with nothing to do
[22:45] <Azelphur> it's just sitting on a table
[22:45] <dwatkins> I met some guys in Reading who recycle computers for a country in Africa. I forget which one exactly.
[22:45] <daftykins> http://pastebin.com/sLdpD9Rh
[22:46] <daftykins> that's what i've found so far and am getting rid of
[22:46] <dwatkins> They get them reinstalled, tested etc. and sent in a container in batches. I guess they use linux.
[22:46] <daftykins> dwatkins: neat
[22:46] <hamitron> dwatkins, I tried to give a load away
[22:46] <hamitron> and they demanded 1.6ghz or better
[22:46] <hamitron> :/
[22:46] <dwatkins> hamitron: ah, I see :-/
[22:46] <Azelphur> dwatkins: fun
[22:46] <daftykins> comes to something when even the charities can be picky eh
[22:46] <dwatkins> anything older than that should probably be kept for posterity if it still works ;)
[22:47] <hamitron> at the time I was using a 1.2ghz as my main pc
[22:47] <hamitron> :D
[22:47] <daftykins> daym
[22:48] <hamitron> I cursed for days (and still am I guess), that comps I use are not good enough for kids in Africa
[22:48] <hamitron> ;)
[22:48] <daftykins> XD
[22:48] <daftykins> my house in England is about to sell so i've started going through all my stuff in my parents house to reduce it all down as much as possible
[22:49] <daftykins> good time to do it i think, ahead of moving out again
[22:49] <hamitron> yeh
[22:49] <daftykins> especially given all the crap that i've accumulated :D
[22:49] <daftykins> i'd love to have very little by way of possessions
[22:49] <hamitron> hang on, you are throwing that list out? :-o
[22:50] <dwatkins> I used to dream of having very few things.
[22:50] <Azelphur> I just found shiny, http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/steam_linux_email.jpg
[22:50] <daftykins> hamitron: yep
[22:51] <daftykins> can't be verified that though eh
[22:51] <daftykins> unless the phoronix article has a mention of being given the full headers too
[22:51] <hamitron> I'd buy some of that stuff to add to my pile
[22:51] <daftykins> hamitron: you'd only have to pay postage ^_^
[22:51] <hamitron> if you could be bothered to parcel up
[22:52] <daftykins> though postage from the channel islands could be... interesting
[22:52] <hamitron> ah damn
[22:52] <hamitron> yeh
[22:52] <hamitron> :/
[22:52] <hamitron> the hdd would be very useful
[22:53] <daftykins> i'm quite amazed 320GB is already too tiny for me to bother with :D
[22:53] <hamitron> and sound cards
[22:54] <hamitron> main hurdle is convincing others in my life, I should have more
[22:55] <hamitron> ;D
[22:55] <daftykins> XD
[22:57] <hamitron> 2 x 512MB PC3200 Corsair value select is nice too
[22:58] <hamitron> when you've finished sorting and need rid, feel free to poke me
[22:58] <hamitron> :)
[22:59] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:59] <shauno> hamitron: I wish I knew someone like you locally :)  I'm way too lazy to recycle
[23:00] <daftykins> a friend still has my old nforce2 + Athlon XP PC up in England
[23:00] <hamitron> haha
[23:00] <daftykins> hamitron: you're not near Brighton are you? :)
[23:00] <hamitron> no, I could maybe get someone to collect for me though
[23:00] <hamitron> :D
[23:00] <shauno> laptop ram any use to you?
[23:01] <hamitron> tbh, I don't hoard laptops so much
[23:01] <hamitron> gotta draw a line somewhere
[23:01] <hamitron> and that is i586 until recently
[23:01] <hamitron> desktop pc
[23:01] <hamitron> :)
[23:01] <daftykins> that list actually is missing my little 400MHz PIII Dell laptop beauty
[23:01] <daftykins> i don't think anyone would take that off me
[23:02]  * hamitron is using a K6-2 500MHz right now
[23:02] <daftykins> D:
[23:02] <hamitron> I refuse to throw away working hardware
[23:03] <shauno> I've got 4GB I pulled from this one knocking around somewhere.  and 2GB I pulled from a '07.  they're not worth their weight in postage anymore :(
[23:03] <hamitron> 4GB?
[23:03] <hamitron> 2GB?
[23:03]  * hamitron faints
[23:04] <hamitron> I think the worst thing about not throwing old hardware out
[23:04] <hamitron> is you still buy new hardware
[23:04] <hamitron> so end up with loads
[23:05] <shauno> I never get to loads :)  I try not to own more than I can fit in checked luggage
[23:06] <hamitron> I got 26 comps now :/
[23:06] <hamitron> trying to cut it down to 20
[23:06] <daftykins> D:
[23:06] <daftykins> as it was i got rid of 2 or 3 other Pentium II's a bit ago :)
[23:07] <daftykins> the original 120MHz pentium 1 is still upstairs, my dad refuses to ditch that since he still remembers it costing £1600 new
[23:07] <hamitron> I think my next clear out, is gonna be CRT monitors
[23:07] <hamitron> daftykins, same
[23:07] <daftykins> monitor died ages ago, CD drive died
[23:07] <hamitron> my first PC
[23:07] <hamitron> :)
[23:07] <daftykins> rest is still original i think
[23:07] <daftykins> yeah CRTs are definitely at death's door
[23:07] <daftykins> i've only got the one remaining upstairs
[23:07] <daftykins> a 17" Hitachi i think
[23:07] <hamitron> I'm using CRT now
[23:08] <daftykins> i was gonna pop it on and see what games look like without LCD response time fail one more time
[23:08] <daftykins> but i've yet to get around to it ;)
[23:09] <shauno> I've still got one :(  I hate it, but I haven't found a flatscreen that'll sync slow enough for my amiga
[23:09] <hamitron> there is something that feels good about using a linux terminal on an old dusty CRT
[23:10] <hamitron> but my reason for not dumping them mostly, is just been cheap
[23:10] <hamitron> ;)
[23:10] <daftykins> hehe
[23:11] <daftykins> i've even a 19" DVI+VGA samsung LCD upstairs that i don't use
[23:11] <daftykins> sad really
[23:11] <daftykins> i remember moving to that from a 21" CRT
[23:11] <daftykins> was kind of a move backwards at the time
[23:11] <daftykins> super high res -> 1280x1024
[23:11] <hamitron> yeh
[23:11] <hamitron> that is reason I stayed with CRT for ages
[23:12] <hamitron> then when mine blew, plenty of people had given me old CRT
[23:12] <hamitron> and I just feel I have to use them till they die
[23:12] <daftykins> :)
[23:12] <hamitron> I do have 1 LCD
[23:12] <hamitron> and tbh, it gives me no extra desk space
[23:13] <daftykins> is it that old? :)
[23:13] <hamitron> haha
[23:13] <hamitron> well
[23:13] <hamitron> this room is a loft conversion
[23:13] <hamitron> so LCD just has space behind it
[23:14] <hamitron> the LCD screen can be 1-2" further back
[23:14] <hamitron> but once you take into account the stand
[23:14] <hamitron> no extra room
[23:17] <daftykins> ah-har
[23:17] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/r/funny/sqIKW
[23:17] <daftykins> ooh that does amuse
[23:20] <hamitron> :)
[23:20] <hamitron> anyways, I better get some work prep done for tomorrow
[23:20] <hamitron> :/
[23:20] <daftykins> what's that?
[23:21] <daftykins> i've a bike to pick up from the shop and a clients desktop PC to upgrade :D
[23:21] <daftykins> core 2 quad -> ivybridge i7 \o/
[23:38] <ali1234> psychonauts is finally up on software centre
[23:46] <ali1234> what's the minimum maximum opengl texture size on "modern" cards? 4096x4096?