| AlanBell | ali1234: some atom boards are 2048 if you consider that modern | 06:54 |
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| MooDoo | hello all | 07:02 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:08 |
| AlanBell | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18419231 linus on the beeb | 07:11 |
| diplo | Good read AlanBell | 07:35 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 07:48 |
| diplo | morning brobostigon | 07:58 |
| brobostigon | morning diplo | 07:58 |
| czajkowski | morning | 08:05 |
| directhex | BADGER | 08:08 |
| brobostigon | hedgehog | 08:09 |
| DJones | 40 Tonne truck....Squelch | 08:11 |
| bigcalm | Goooooooooooood morning you lovely techies :) | 08:16 |
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| dwatkins | good morning one and all | 08:23 |
| bigcalm | Ah, life | 08:23 |
| dwatkins | Don't talk to me about life </Marvin> | 08:24 |
| bigcalm | :) | 08:24 |
| czajkowski | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/200246 anyone want to help a new user out | 08:25 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :) | 08:30 |
| popey | czajkowski: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 08:41 |
| s-fox | Hello. | 08:50 |
| bigcalm | Good morning - this time with coffee | 08:54 |
| Ross____ | what do I need to know to feel comfortable in a linux sys admin job? | 09:05 |
| Ross____ | I so badly want one | 09:05 |
| Ross____ | I learnt a scripting language and bash, I play around with distributions | 09:06 |
| mungojerry | Ross____, learn the RHCE course | 09:07 |
| mungojerry | go throug the syllabus and buy the RHCE book | 09:07 |
| Ross____ | ahhhh cheers! | 09:07 |
| Ross____ | :D | 09:07 |
| Ross____ | Sounds like fun | 09:08 |
| mungojerry | and learn to follow instructions exactly, and always check and double check before making changes, and have a backout plan for when trhings go wrong | 09:08 |
| mungojerry | and do "fun projects" at home, and learn to enjoy mundane stuff, and always document stuff | 09:08 |
| Ross____ | always docment stuff? Hmmm sound advice :) | 09:09 |
| MartijnVdS | docuwhat? | 09:09 |
| Ross____ | document | 09:09 |
| Ross____ | I think in six months when I probably will know even more than I do now, I am just going to apply for entery linux sys admin jobs anyway | 09:10 |
| mungojerry | i still wouldn't (and didn't in the past) hire a sysadmin who knows loads about linux , but lacks the personal qualities to do good work and not break stuff | 09:11 |
| mungojerry | and don't use customised anything unless absolutely necessary i.e. stock hardware and stock kernel | 09:14 |
| mungojerry | i get annoyed when i see people patching mysql and kernel for frivolous reasons, and then becoming a mysql maintainer just for themselves, having to patch every release | 09:15 |
| Ross____ | The Linux Documentation Project is fantastic | 09:15 |
| mungojerry | also, there's a debian administrator's manual which has just been released | 09:15 |
| mungojerry | on a pay as you like download (inckluding free) | 09:16 |
| Ross____ | There is one thing i am avoiding | 09:18 |
| Ross____ | and that's using vim or emacs | 09:18 |
| Ross____ | I mean, there isn't much time :( | 09:18 |
| DJones | Just been asked to recommend an app for editing word and excel on an iPad.... Why ask me, I have an Android tablet? | 09:18 |
| mgdm | Ross____: the advantage of vim is that it's installed *everywhere* | 09:20 |
| mungojerry | and it's easy to learn the basics | 09:20 |
| mgdm | Ross____: so if you can do basic text editing in that, you'll be ok on any random system, which might not have nano or whatever | 09:20 |
| mungojerry | just buy the vim mug | 09:20 |
| Ross____ | hmmmm well I may reconsider | 09:21 |
| diplo | Defo, vi basics are quite simple.. just google vi cheat sheet | 09:23 |
| diplo | All you need for day to day | 09:23 |
| dwatkins | I made a point of learning vi and emacs at least to the extent of being able to write a small file, in case I needed to do that in order to install another text editor. I ended up sticking with vi and I still use it all the time now, 20 years later. | 09:23 |
| diplo | I *had* to learn vi, all that was installed on our AIX box at work, and we weren't allowed to install anything else | 09:24 |
| dwatkins | yeahm, I quickly discovered that vi is ubiquitous. | 09:24 |
| diplo | I'm still no master by any means, but use it everyday | 09:24 |
| dwatkins | there are some amazing things you can do with vi, but my brain can't handle half of them ;) | 09:24 |
| Ross____ | I heard it is a good python editor | 09:25 |
| dwatkins | syntax hilighting in vi is really handy | 09:25 |
| Ross____ | I still use gedit with an embedded terminal | 09:25 |
| shauno | in the installer, when I get this purple screen with the logotype and five dots; is there any way to dismiss this screen? | 09:25 |
| dwatkins | does gedit do this as well, Ross____? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hBuHSXuyA14/Sk3_RwjCtoI/AAAAAAAAAF0/Kp8roNcDhFk/s400/Picture+1.png | 09:26 |
| Ross____ | syntax highlighting? | 09:28 |
| Ross____ | yes | 09:28 |
| Ross____ | depending what theme you set, I guess | 09:28 |
| diplo | And from the suggestion of RHCE, that's quite hard core to set your goals to | 09:28 |
| diplo | LPIC is probably a better bet, or Linux+ which gives you the LPIC course certs afaik | 09:29 |
| KrimZon_2 | in 10.04, how do I change the login screen theme? | 09:30 |
| popey | LolPIC | 09:30 |
| KrimZon_2 | I want to make it so you need to type a username rather than just select one | 09:30 |
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| mgdm | meh, RHCE isn't bad, you can go via the RHCT course first if you want | 09:31 |
| mgdm | RHCE builds on that | 09:31 |
| mgdm | I've never come across anywhere that considered the LPI to hold any weight, but RHCE does | 09:31 |
| mgdm | (NB: this is my own experience) | 09:32 |
| diplo | yeah, also a lot dearer.. not putting people off whole heartedly(sp?) | 09:32 |
| diplo | I want to do it, but a few things have stopped me | 09:32 |
| Ross____ | you don't have to do this to get a linux job do you? | 09:32 |
| mungojerry | or just follow the RHCE syllabus which is printed online, and learn from the textbook | 09:33 |
| Ross____ | some of these seem expensive | 09:33 |
| Ross____ | for the wages I am on | 09:33 |
| mungojerry | i self learned, and added the certs afterwards to prove it | 09:33 |
| diplo | Ross____: I've worked on Unix/Linux on and off for ten years and haven't taken any course | 09:33 |
| diplo | So no, it's not needed | 09:33 |
| diplo | I'm intending to do what mungojerry says once I have some free cash | 09:34 |
| bigcalm | Just made myself the most perfect pot noodle ever | 09:40 |
| bigcalm | So happy | 09:40 |
| popey | 10:40 pot noodle? | 09:41 |
| Laney | 10:40 — pot noodle break | 09:41 |
| popey | if I ever have pot noodle I under-cook it, like the pasta a bit crispy | 09:41 |
| * Laney cleans bigcalm's windows | 09:41 | |
| Ross____ | So how should I document new things I discover? | 09:41 |
| Ross____ | what's the best way to do it ? | 09:42 |
| KrimZon_2 | ahh, apparently it's plymouth | 09:42 |
| bigcalm | popey: I rarely eat breakfast, this was an energy requirement | 09:42 |
| popey | ah | 09:42 |
| popey | i made two poached eggs on toast for brekkie | 09:42 |
| popey | yummy | 09:42 |
| Ross____ | slamming it into a document sounds boring to me | 09:43 |
| bigcalm | Ross____: doing actions over and over again every day will embed themselves into your memory | 09:44 |
| mgdm | I hadn't had a pot noodle in many years until last week | 09:44 |
| mgdm | I had a craving for one of the curry ones | 09:44 |
| diplo | bigcalm: Pot Noodles are the work of some very dodgey people! Don't do that to yourself :( | 09:44 |
| bigcalm | Ross____: without looking it up, how do you extract a bz2 tarball? | 09:44 |
| dogmatic69 | bigcalm: server administration is an open book test :P | 09:45 |
| diplo | Ross____: I'm learning 'simple' at the moment, a in house programming language.. I use google docs to write down stuff to point me in the right directions but not the whole answer | 09:45 |
| bigcalm | Time's up: tar zjvf foo.tar.bz2 | 09:45 |
| bigcalm | dogmatic69: fair enough, but one should still know day to day commands without having to look in a man page :) | 09:46 |
| dogmatic69 | I have to look up tar.gz decompression *EVERY TIME* | 09:46 |
| dogmatic69 | :/ | 09:46 |
| dogmatic69 | as far as my brain is concerned its something like tar -djfsklgasjdflaksd file.tar.gz | 09:47 |
| popey | bigcalm: zj? | 09:47 |
| bigcalm | popey: no, my mistake :D | 09:47 |
| popey | also | 09:47 |
| popey | no need ☺ | 09:47 |
| bigcalm | hehe | 09:47 |
| popey | tar autodetects these days | 09:47 |
| bigcalm | It does? :( | 09:47 |
| popey | it does ☺ | 09:47 |
| popey | so you dont need the j or or the z | 09:48 |
| bigcalm | I have to force myself to replace x with c when I'm creating a tarball. Early morning confusion made me replace x with j | 09:48 |
| bigcalm | Pot noodle be gone :( | 09:51 |
| bigcalm | Sounds like I've just banished it | 09:51 |
| diplo | lol popey I didn't know that either, learn something new every day as the old adage goes | 09:54 |
| popey | AlanBell: scaling that image down by 4 massively detracts from your point | 09:58 |
| AlanBell | I didn't think it did, but I will put the full size version up at some point then | 10:01 |
| bigcalm | The pointer looks odd as well | 10:01 |
| dwatkins | hooray, I shall be building a Lego Pi case this evening | 10:01 |
| bigcalm | Humm, shall I sneak in a little more of Limbo? | 10:02 |
| AlanBell | bigcalm: yeah, it got scaled by accident, I didn't realise it was there until after. My point was about the launcher and panel so I didn't think it mattered | 10:02 |
| popey | well, it's inaccurate. "this is what it looks like". "no, it doesn't", "you missed my point", "you lied" ☺ | 10:02 |
| AlanBell | gah | 10:03 |
| * AlanBell will do a better image | 10:03 | |
| * bigcalm hugs AlanBell | 10:03 | |
| diplo | :) | 10:03 |
| AlanBell | and the launcher and panel will be the same proportion to the desktop as in the mockup | 10:03 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/unityretinafull.png happy now? | 10:20 |
| bigcalm | That's big | 10:20 |
| mungojerry | as for documentation, i use tomboy synced across machines for quick notes, and then add them to a wiki (twiki or docuwiki) for others on friday afternoons | 10:21 |
| mungojerry | woops, ross____ has gone | 10:21 |
| directhex | AlanBell, that's missing the point of retina display isn't it? idea is to scale so it "feels like" 1920x1200, but with better detail | 10:21 |
| mungojerry | i use psr on windows, which is one of the best apps i know, and wish it was on linux | 10:21 |
| AlanBell | directhex: yes, my entire point was that Ubuntu won't look particularly useable on such displays unless some scaling is done | 10:22 |
| * AlanBell is surprised at the number of ways such a point can be missed! | 10:22 | |
| bigcalm | :) | 10:22 |
| directhex | new father. mental scrollback limit is ~10 lines | 10:23 |
| bigcalm | directhex: getting any sleep at night? | 10:23 |
| AlanBell | you are forgiven, and context was spread across mailing lists and G+ | 10:23 |
| popey | well i saw it first on G+ | 10:24 |
| popey | and it wasn't explained well at all there | 10:24 |
| directhex | bigcalm, a few hours | 10:24 |
| directhex | non-sequentially | 10:24 |
| diplo | heh, children are great | 10:25 |
| diplo | Don't worry, it doesn't get better as they get older | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | Yeah, I'll keep my sanity and get a cat/dog in a few years | 10:26 |
| diplo | :) | 10:26 |
| diplo | Not sure about that, my sister just got a 9 week old puppy | 10:26 |
| diplo | Been getting her up at 04:30 each morning for a wee | 10:27 |
| diplo | Amongst nibbling her toes to make sure she is awake | 10:27 |
| mungojerry | put newspaper down? | 10:27 |
| diplo | I think she prefers to be woke up as at least the dog knows it needs to pee outside | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Hayley can look after the puppy. I'll cuttle the kitten | 10:28 |
| diplo | heh, I'd say kittens are worse than pups | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Cuttle? | 10:28 |
| diplo | Rip the place to shreds whilst they are learning | 10:28 |
| * mungojerry is still in desktop limbo after quitting unity again | 10:29 | |
| mungojerry | KDE looks stable now but i think i've moved on | 10:29 |
| popey | you change desktop more often than I mow my lawn | 10:32 |
| directhex | how opften do you mow your lawn? | 10:32 |
| diplo | mungojerry: I was using Cinnamon but that was crashing to much | 10:34 |
| diplo | Gone back to Gnome Fallback | 10:34 |
| diplo | Stable works all the time | 10:35 |
| mungojerry | i've been on gnome 2 since about 2003 | 10:35 |
| bigcalm | I've spent the morning writing documentation and feel that I've wasted my morning | 10:35 |
| czajkowski | pah | 10:36 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: I write code, not docs! | 10:36 |
| mungojerry | bigcalm, whoever succeeds you will thank you in your absnce | 10:36 |
| bigcalm | :O | 10:36 |
| mungojerry | so put your name on it :D | 10:36 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: you should always do both. | 10:37 |
| mungojerry | i would definitely be using gnome3 right now if it wasn't a collection of the most bizarre decisions ever made | 10:37 |
| mungojerry | diplo, i'm on fallback atm | 10:38 |
| mungojerry | has a few quirks though | 10:38 |
| * AlanBell is on unity and lxde on the raspberry pi | 10:38 | |
| gord | developers are always the worst documentation writers | 10:38 |
| mungojerry | checkgmail and pidgin don't work in the notification area, and some weird window behaviour | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | Actually, I need to refactor the documentation for this API I wrote. Is there a suggested format for API documentation? | 10:38 |
| AlanBell | would like to run unity on the pi | 10:38 |
| gord | bigcalm, doxygen style works well, as long as doxygen supports your language | 10:39 |
| gord | AlanBell, you are on unity and lxde? | 10:39 |
| bigcalm | gord: I don't need an automated one. Just need to re-write the document I've already written in a more consistent style | 10:39 |
| AlanBell | gord: unity on my laptop and lxde on the pi | 10:40 |
| mungojerry | is it true about the helicopters looking for green lawns and hosepipes? | 10:40 |
| gord | AlanBell, unity2d no worky? | 10:40 |
| AlanBell | gord: not tried building it yet, I was waiting for popey to do it | 10:41 |
| mungojerry | how is the raspi performance wise? | 10:42 |
| mungojerry | running lxde | 10:42 |
| mungojerry | similar to an eee pc 701? | 10:42 |
| gord | oh right yeah, because the pi is the old arm architecture | 10:43 |
| popey | mungojerry: its the same as an iphone 3 | 10:43 |
| dogmatic69 | Just tried to install php5-gd and got this warning: | 10:44 |
| dogmatic69 | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! | 10:44 |
| dogmatic69 | libxpm4 libgd2-xpm libt1-5 | 10:44 |
| mungojerry | popey, i've never run ubuntu on an iphone though. | 10:44 |
| mungojerry | eeepc felt quite sluggish | 10:44 |
| dogmatic69 | first time I have seen that, is it ok? | 10:44 |
| mungojerry | the keyboard was quite laggy sometimes | 10:44 |
| popey | my kids both run 12.04 + unity 2d on an Eee 900 | 10:44 |
| popey | 900Mhz Celeron, 2GB RAM | 10:44 |
| mungojerry | hmm, same spec | 10:45 |
| popey | dogmatic69: getting those from a ppa? | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69 | no | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69 | just apt-get install | 10:45 |
| popey | no, the 701 is underclocked to 600MHa | 10:45 |
| popey | *MHz | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69 | no ppa's | 10:45 |
| popey | 660 or so | 10:45 |
| mungojerry | although every time i updated my eeepc the cpu freq governor needed setting up differently | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69 | http://mirror.rackspace.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libgd2-xpm | 10:46 |
| mungojerry | the eeepc was the last time i allowed myself to be early adopter man | 10:46 |
| mungojerry | i have no use for raspi at the mo that my slug doesn't do, but later on i'd like a raspi on my telly | 10:47 |
| mungojerry | but want a faster version | 10:47 |
| mungojerry | since xbmc doesn't even run properly on my powerpc mac mini | 10:47 |
| popey | xbmc works okay on my pi | 10:48 |
| popey | played with it last night with a boxee remote | 10:48 |
| AlanBell | mungojerry: it performs fine, the CPU is slow, the GPU is fast, I am using it to do ssh stuff in terminals so nothing taxing | 10:48 |
| mungojerry | i couldn't even get past the first screen on the powerpc. must be the decent gpu | 10:48 |
| gord | will wait until they upgrade the cpu before replacing my revos, can't be doing with building stuff myself | 10:49 |
| diplo | I might order my Rasp this week actually | 11:03 |
| diplo | everyone talking about them | 11:03 |
| diplo | :) | 11:03 |
| popey | damn you bigcalm, I'm off to the co-op to get a pot noodle! | 11:05 |
| popey | although i may be tempted by other things in there.. | 11:06 |
| bigcalm | Bwuhaha :D | 11:06 |
| diplo | Nooooo! Pot Noodles are evil | 11:06 |
| bigcalm | And I'm off to subway to get a Chicken Pizziola | 11:07 |
| diplo | Then again I'm off for a Boatmans breakfast, so I am not one to say about eating healthily | 11:07 |
| czajkowski | pot noodles reminds me of college and my mates living away from home used to live on them | 11:07 |
| diplo | Horrible things! | 11:07 |
| mungojerry | i appear to have no way of seeing my contacts list in pidgin | 11:07 |
| mungojerry | just the auto opened windows | 11:08 |
| popey | http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/about-us/consultations/equal-civil-marriage/ | 11:08 |
| popey | offtopic but meh, so is pot noodle ☺ | 11:08 |
| popey | (no need for discussion, just making sure people see it) | 11:09 |
| KrimZon_2 | does anyone know how to change the login menu to require a username to be typed in rather than just selected? | 11:09 |
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| KrimZon_2 | aha: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1609008 | 11:20 |
| * czajkowski hugs popey | 11:22 | |
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| * popey has chicken soup | 11:54 | |
| MartijnVdS | poor chicken | 11:56 |
| AlanBell | I hardly ever feed my chickens on soup | 11:57 |
| popey | that was yum | 12:00 |
| czajkowski | oh exciting , I'll be going to my old college next year and giving a talk on how to translate packages/applications into other lanauges using Launchpad, and hopefully going to be giving a talk to some secondary school students :) | 12:01 |
| KrimZon_2 | yum install soup | 12:01 |
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| diplo | Couldn't eat another thing! | 12:53 |
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| * bigcalm nods to mrmist | 13:22 | |
| diplo | Beat you to it popey :D | 13:31 |
| popey | heh | 13:31 |
| popey | didnt realise that was you! | 13:32 |
| diplo | o/ | 13:32 |
| diplo | Yeah that ugly git, really need some new photos taken of me for my profiles | 13:32 |
| diplo | Only thing I hate about posting to busy comments is the notifications | 13:33 |
| diplo | :) | 13:33 |
| AlanBell | popey: as luck would have it OMG have nicely explained my point for me | 13:35 |
| popey | \o/ | 13:36 |
| gord | for what its worth, the dash resizes to try and fit nicely on large displays and the launcher can be configured to be larger. panel can't but that's a few lines of code to put in a configure option | 13:38 |
| gord | i'm more worried about trying to grab window borders at that dpi | 13:39 |
| * czajkowski peers at gord leave my window border on it's lonesome | 13:51 | |
| bigcalm | It's currently a pixel hunt in xubuntu | 13:55 |
| gord | yeah, in compiz we put a fake window around your window that lets you have a few extra pixels that you can resize your window by. its an X issue really | 13:56 |
| AlanBell | it is a people who write themes with no borders issue :) | 13:57 |
| AlanBell | bring on wayland | 13:58 |
| AlanBell | and *real* shadows | 13:58 |
| ali1234 | and absolutely no ability to change the window manager at all | 14:02 |
| ali1234 | seriously though, i do find it funny that people would pay a $1000 premium to get a screen where you can't read anything because the DPI is ridiculously high | 14:03 |
| AlanBell | yeah, the fact that windows draw their own decoration is a bit odd | 14:03 |
| AlanBell | I would pay for that screen | 14:03 |
| AlanBell | and run unmodified 12.04 on it tbh | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: they don't just draw their own decoration. the whole window manager is built into the server | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | imagine having to patch xorg if you want a tiling WM. that's wayland | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | i would buy a 2880x1800 screen if it was 40" | 14:04 |
| AlanBell | I don't want a tiling WM, I want real shadows. | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | anything less than that and it is stupid | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | your screenshot is unreadable on a 24" monitor | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | but really though, you could always use one of the actually finished desktops | 14:06 |
| gord | uh, so. you increase text scaling to conform to your dpi | 14:07 |
| gord | its not like you stick with a tiny 10pixel font | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | believe it or not, there are actually desktop environments that do that for you automatically | 14:08 |
| ali1234 | for example gnome, kde | 14:08 |
| AlanBell | shoudl get dpi from the EDID information I think | 14:08 |
| gord | gnome never did, it was terrible at getting your dpi. didn't have one machine that it ever managed to set automatically | 14:08 |
| ali1234 | yeah, that's just nonsense | 14:09 |
| gord | now they removed the dpi option and you are just left with scaling | 14:09 |
| AlanBell | EDID does often lie | 14:09 |
| ali1234 | not EDID. it;s the drivers | 14:09 |
| gord | i've had edid lie to me a lot, with tv's especially | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | what's the actual DPI of it? 204? | 14:13 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: I've have EDID report a size of x=1024x768 y=1024x768 trust me EDID lies it depends which manufacture has done it | 14:15 |
| directhex | EDID lies, but so do drivers | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | uh-hu | 14:15 |
| AlanBell | 220 apparently, I thought it was 204 but I got it worng | 14:15 |
| AlanBell | wrong | 14:15 |
| directhex | i've had some drivers able to get correct EDID, and other drivers get wrong EDID, from the same device, on the same hardware, via the same cable | 14:16 |
| ali1234 | you do know that EDID reports horizontal and vertical refresh rates right? it's up to the video card to decide the actual modes | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | also reports physical screen size | 14:17 |
| AlanBell | badly | 14:17 |
| AlanBell | lots of TVs claim to be a 7 inch panel | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | TVs are very bad | 14:17 |
| directhex | TVs are super bad | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | but we're not talking about TVs, we're talking about a $2000 laptop | 14:17 |
| directhex | partly because of 1366x768, which is not a valid mode, so the TV has to lie by definition | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | what is not valid about it? | 14:18 |
| directhex | 1366 is not divisible by 8, so most cards can't output it. hence most 1366x768 tvs either scale by 6 pixels, or have a 3 pixel letterbox either side, and only accept 1360x768 as a mode | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | i see | 14:20 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: ping | 14:20 |
| directhex | of course, in 2012, all tvs should just do 1080p | 14:20 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you pinged | 14:20 |
| ali1234 | that explains why so many people have problems using HDTVs in linux tbh | 14:21 |
| popey | 1080p... with overscan | 14:22 |
| directhex | overscan /o\ | 14:22 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: a) what time are we having pie, b) want a lift on my way though Wolves? | 14:23 |
| bigcalm | Bloody overscan | 14:23 |
| directhex | who thought overscan was useful on digital displays? | 14:24 |
| bigcalm | through | 14:24 |
| directhex | any hdmi device requesting it should be returned a flashing HD "feck off" image | 14:24 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: a) when everybody gets there, b) no ta I might need to dash off, but thanks for the offer | 14:28 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: fair enough. I'll aim for 7.30 as usual then | 14:28 |
| bigcalm | Ooo, looks like rain \o/ | 14:28 |
| diplo | Guys thoughts on this please.. | 14:29 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: yeap then we tend to hang around till every who says they are coming gets there then order as it is 2 for 1 on Wednesdays unless they have changed it so we all pair up and split the pie bill | 14:29 |
| bigcalm | Oooo | 14:29 |
| diplo | We have customers who want back ups to usb devices | 14:29 |
| bigcalm | diplo: if they are mains powered, sounds fair enough | 14:30 |
| diplo | So we have written bash scripts that want to mount as usb1 dir or usb2 | 14:30 |
| davmor2 | diplo: doddle standard ups unit and a usb plug | 14:30 |
| diplo | I've used uuid to identify devices | 14:31 |
| diplo | But we don't want to automount so fstab is set to noauto | 14:31 |
| ali1234 | what does mains power and UPS have to do with this? | 14:31 |
| diplo | So as ali1234 pointed out to me yesterday mount -a won't work | 14:31 |
| bigcalm | I'm confused | 14:31 |
| diplo | How would you work out what device was plugged in to mount | 14:31 |
| ali1234 | if won't work *if* you put noauto in fstab | 14:32 |
| ali1234 | so don't put noauto in fstab... | 14:32 |
| bigcalm | Oh, backups, not back UPS | 14:32 |
| ali1234 | anyway just use udisks | 14:32 |
| * bigcalm goes back to sleep | 14:32 | |
| directhex | autofs! | 14:32 |
| diplo | OK, udisks, I will google now | 14:32 |
| diplo | I'm sure I had a quick look at autofs | 14:32 |
| diplo | Will relook at that aswell | 14:33 |
| diplo | Want a better solution, as ours sucks.. I only did part of it.. but keeps failing as logic sucks | 14:33 |
| ali1234 | https://github.com/ali1234/autoflash | 14:33 |
| diplo | Past my level of python, but taking a look now thanks ali1234 | 14:34 |
| ali1234 | "we want to hand out usb flash drives with some files on at a conference. here's a box of 1000 blank usb flash drives and the files are in your email" | 14:35 |
| diplo | ah right so the format part was for a particular reason not recommended reason. So could remove that.. | 14:36 |
| diplo | I will have a play I think | 14:36 |
| diplo | No special dependencies with the imports ? | 14:37 |
| Twinkletoes | The ubuntu nagios packages seem to be a fair way behind what nagios offer on their website. Precise repos have 3.2.3, and the nagios website has 3.4.1 which has quite a lot of fixes over 3.2.3. Would you advise going with the package from teh nagios website? | 14:58 |
| diplo | Source Twinkletoes ? | 14:58 |
| diplo | When i used to idle in the nagios channel and take notice, their package at the time had lot's of issues, and the guys in there recommended using repo packages | 14:59 |
| diplo | I still use 3.2.3 | 14:59 |
| Twinkletoes | diplo: Ah | 14:59 |
| diplo | But from memory that was 3.3.* something | 15:00 |
| diplo | Don't think it was 3.4.* | 15:00 |
| Twinkletoes | Quite a lot of fixes and enhancements: http://nagios.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/nagios/nagioscore/trunk/Changelog?view=markup | 15:00 |
| Twinkletoes | I'm running on 10.04 at the moment, so I'm stuck with 3.2.0-4ubuntu2.2 from the repos, unless I can persuade it to use the package from 12.04? | 15:02 |
| diplo | there is a ppa, but only the nagios-agent has been updated for Precise | 15:02 |
| Twinkletoes | diplo: ppa? | 15:02 |
| diplo | For me, unless you have a specific issue with the pacakage I wouldn't upgrade | 15:02 |
| diplo | https://launchpad.net/~nagiosinc/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise | 15:02 |
| diplo | Natty was 3.2.3 still on it's build | 15:03 |
| bigcalm | Peeps in here, would you recomend: gpa or seahorse? | 15:03 |
| popey | for what? | 15:03 |
| Twinkletoes | diplo: Thanks :) | 15:03 |
| bigcalm | Getting started in gpg | 15:03 |
| diplo | I've been using 3.2.3 for 2 years with no particular issues Twinkletoes | 15:03 |
| popey | seahorse, given we ship it | 15:03 |
| bigcalm | I want to sign my emails and only just reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto | 15:03 |
| popey | ahh | 15:03 |
| popey | i use thunderbird and some plugin | 15:04 |
| diplo | And it seems they haven't made lot's of additions, just approvements | 15:04 |
| bigcalm | I have thunderbird and the gpg plugin. But I need to set up keys :) | 15:04 |
| popey | ah yeah, use seahorse | 15:05 |
| bigcalm | Ta | 15:05 |
| Laney | keep a safe and secure copy of the revocation certificate! | 15:06 |
| Azelphur | EVGA GTX 680 Classified comes with water blocks at stock :o | 15:07 |
| * Azelphur wants | 15:07 | |
| bigcalm | Laney: I'll print it out ;) | 15:07 |
| Laney | imagine typing one of those things in :( | 15:07 |
| bigcalm | We used to type in programs from MicroUser et al | 15:08 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: +1 for using seahorse | 15:10 |
| * bigcalm goes for a shower while the keys are generated :S | 15:10 | |
| directhex | Azelphur, there have been gpus with manufacturer waterblocks for years | 15:10 |
| Azelphur | true, but this is a GTX 680 and it has quad screen support \o/ | 15:10 |
| popey | what is a waterblock? | 15:10 |
| directhex | popey, for water cooling | 15:11 |
| directhex | popey, it's a specially shaped copper (usually) block which clamps to the graphics card instead of heatsink/fan, and the internal water channels are optimized for coolant flow | 15:11 |
| popey | cunning | 15:11 |
| AlanBell | silver would be better ;) | 15:12 |
| Azelphur | I have a nickel one :o | 15:12 |
| directhex | e.g. http://photos.dangerden.com/GPU-Blocks/GTX680/i-cVJ59FH/0/L/IMGP1559-L.jpg | 15:13 |
| directhex | AlanBell, the main thing is to pick a metal which suffers from minimal corrosion, and maximum heat transfer. and to never mix metals in the same system | 15:13 |
| directhex | AlanBell, e.g. stray copper and aluminium in the same water system will fur up overnight | 15:13 |
| popey | golly | 15:14 |
| Azelphur | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120613_161238.jpg here's my CPU water block, just took this photo :D | 15:14 |
| directhex | http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=91402&stc=1&d=1230125543 is a cpu block where someone mixed alu and copper | 15:15 |
| Azelphur | clearly need to get that finger print off it :P | 15:15 |
| Azelphur | directhex: my loop is growing that crap too :( | 15:16 |
| directhex | Azelphur, what are all the devices in your loop made from? sounds like you've got a mix | 15:16 |
| Azelphur | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120606_204531.jpg here's mine xD | 15:16 |
| Azelphur | directhex: EK Supreme HF Nickel, and a Black Ice GTX 480 but not sure what it's made of | 15:17 |
| directhex | the cpu block is plated copper | 15:18 |
| Azelphur | ah | 15:18 |
| directhex | the rad is copper | 15:19 |
| Azelphur | everything is copper then? | 15:20 |
| directhex | nickel shouldn't be reactive | 15:20 |
| Azelphur | yet still growing life forms :( | 15:20 |
| directhex | what water are you using? | 15:20 |
| Azelphur | distilled water with biocide | 15:20 |
| directhex | reservoir? | 15:20 |
| Azelphur | XSPC DDC Bay - Acrylic Dual 5.25 Reservoir | 15:21 |
| directhex | hm | 15:21 |
| directhex | sounds like you're doing all the right things, tbh | 15:22 |
| Azelphur | yay | 15:22 |
| Azelphur | I figured perhaps that stuff was algea so I poured a bunch more biocide into the loop recently | 15:22 |
| Azelphur | is there anything that might clear it from the system? | 15:22 |
| directhex | not sure. i never had the guts to actually deploy a water system. just researched it a lot | 15:23 |
| directhex | ended up with low noise air instead | 15:23 |
| Azelphur | hehe, it's been a fun adventure | 15:23 |
| Azelphur | will be cool once it's done, as I should never really have to touch it after that | 15:24 |
| popey | cool! | 15:24 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: look like limes scale you should be able to treat it with scale remover the only way I know to keep it removed currently is with some strong magnets attached to the pipework but I guess that isn't the answer you are looking for | 15:27 |
| Azelphur | sure, I can do a strong magnet somewhere in the loop | 15:27 |
| Azelphur | how does that work, collect it so you can remove it? | 15:28 |
| AlanBell | heh, so when it blocks you know where the blockage is | 15:28 |
| directhex | strong magnets in a pc? foolproof! | 15:29 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: Nope it is done on household pipe work and just means the limescale doesn't bond to itself | 15:29 |
| davmor2 | directhex: that was kinda my point :) | 15:29 |
| Azelphur | oh cool | 15:30 |
| Azelphur | would that remove the existing limescale too? | 15:30 |
| Azelphur | I could put a huge magnet on the radiator, that wouldn't be an issue at all | 15:30 |
| Azelphur | or perhaps on the res, although that might be a bit close to the HDDs for my liking :P | 15:31 |
| popey | \o/ ssd | 15:31 |
| Azelphur | got one of them too, I have 5 HDDs total | 15:32 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: it will but it takes a while, It's fun watching ours reduce the limescale on our kettle, the kettle is slowly getting silver-erererer | 15:32 |
| Azelphur | nice | 15:32 |
| Azelphur | davmor2 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120606_225647.jpg is my setup | 15:33 |
| Azelphur | so I could just place a magnet on the top of the radiator | 15:33 |
| oimon | :( installing lubuntu-desktop doesn't give me the same experience as installing just lubuntu. any suggestions? very glitchy desktop session otherwise | 15:33 |
| Azelphur | half-done setup anyway | 15:34 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: what are you doing with that box that it requires that? | 15:35 |
| Azelphur | nothing really, I'd probably get along just fine with high performance air cooling | 15:35 |
| Azelphur | but, it looks cool and is fun | 15:35 |
| Azelphur | davmor2 plus I can overclock to ridiculous levels, having a faster computer is always useful | 15:37 |
| * AlanBell decideds to strap some water cooling to a raspberry pi | 15:40 | |
| AlanBell | or just dunk it in a bucket | 15:40 |
| popey | booted up my beaglebone last night | 15:40 |
| popey | shame it doesnt have hdmi | 15:40 |
| * Azelphur has to wander for dinner anyway :p | 15:41 | |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: look up submersive oil cooling, I was so very tempted. | 15:41 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: cooking oil? :P | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | i just tested DPI handling in kde, gnome 3, gnome 3 fallback, and MATE | 15:46 |
| ali1234 | and of course MATE is the only one that works properly | 15:46 |
| ali1234 | KDE tries but just ends up looking like a mess due to allowing developers to switch between pixel and point sizes at will, so you get dialogs where half the writing is tiny and half is huge | 15:47 |
| oimon | did you take screenshots ali1234 | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | anything based on gtk3 completely overrides display DPI and forces it to be 95 | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | oimon: yes, i did | 15:48 |
| oimon | gonna write a blog post? | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 15:48 |
| oimon | i'm tempted to trash my work PC and use lubuntu full time | 15:49 |
| oimon | shame i can't seem to get it to co-exist on my ubuntu setup | 15:49 |
| ali1234 | basically the conclusion i have drawn is that if you want a properly working desktop, you should use MATE | 15:49 |
| ali1234 | specifically the problem with all the others is they've been taken over by UI designers who think anything they don't understand is superfluous | 15:50 |
| czajkowski | Bug Linking Part 2 - http://blog.launchpad.net/general/bug-linking-part-2 | 15:50 |
| oimon | did you try lxde? | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | no | 15:50 |
| czajkowski | please do be reading that :) | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | i didn't try xfce either | 15:50 |
| oimon | how do you change DPI? | 15:50 |
| MartijnVdS | buying a new screen | 15:50 |
| MartijnVdS | increasing resolution on current screen dimensions? | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | in xorg.conf you put option "useediddpi" "false" | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | option "dpi" "204 x 204" | 15:51 |
| oimon | lxde is flippin fast | 15:53 |
| oimon | linus torvalds won the millenium tech prize | 15:58 |
| oimon | joint winner meh | 15:59 |
| bigcalm | Would it not have been meh if he won it all to himself? | 16:00 |
| oimon | dunno | 16:00 |
| oimon | linux is about sharing i guess | 16:00 |
| === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon | ||
| bigcalm | That should be gpg sorted out now then | 16:08 |
| AlanBell | with powerline networking why does the electricity meter block the signal and prevent it leaking to next door? | 16:10 |
| bigcalm | It doesn't | 16:10 |
| AlanBell | I mean on a technical basis, apparently it does do this, I can't see how | 16:10 |
| bigcalm | But next door will be on a different phase | 16:10 |
| bigcalm | General rule of thumb is every 3rd house in the street will be on the same phase | 16:10 |
| bigcalm | What will mess it up are UPS and surge protectors (I think) | 16:11 |
| popey | AlanBell: it doesnt | 16:11 |
| popey | bigcalm: have you uploaded your key? | 16:12 |
| bigcalm | popey: Good point, maybe not :) | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | http://www.faculty-x.net/homeplug-blog/?p=4 bad FAQ then | 16:12 |
| * bigcalm does so | 16:13 | |
| popey | AlanBell: they all come with encryption these days | 16:14 |
| bigcalm | popey: done | 16:16 |
| bigcalm | Feel free to sign my public key ;) | 16:17 |
| popey | nope | 16:17 |
| bigcalm | Not working? | 16:17 |
| popey | no, I'm not signing some random key | 16:17 |
| popey | how do I know it's yours? | 16:17 |
| bigcalm | Good lad | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | oimon: i posted screenshot: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | +s | 16:18 |
| directhex | ali1234, tried today's bastion build? should have joypads | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, is it on software centre? | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | if it isn't, then i haven't | 16:20 |
| bigcalm | popey: have you been able to decrypt the email yet? | 16:24 |
| popey | yeah, i did ages ago | 16:24 |
| bigcalm | Oh, good | 16:24 |
| popey | just wanted to reply but couldn't cos your key wasnt public | 16:24 |
| bigcalm | It is now | 16:25 |
| bigcalm | How frequently does the ubuntu keyserver update? | 16:28 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: lot of folks use google docs to draw up wireframes | 16:29 |
| czajkowski | or is it google draw | 16:29 |
| czajkowski | hmm one of em | 16:29 |
| bigcalm | In a weird way, I like getting stuck in Limbo. Not once yet looked at a walk through and slowly making progress :D | 16:30 |
| bigcalm | Any other games like Limbo peeps can recommend? | 16:30 |
| === cking_ is now known as cking | ||
| AlanBell | czajkowski: interesting, I have never used that, though I use the other bits of google docs | 16:32 |
| AlanBell | doesn't seem particularly well adapted to GUI design | 16:32 |
| czajkowski | saw some folks use it for mock up recently | 16:33 |
| directhex | ali1234, doesn't look like it, although USC version numbers are different to upstream | 16:33 |
| czajkowski | looked very poished | 16:33 |
| czajkowski | *polished | 16:33 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: they culd create their images and save them for future so just reuse them | 16:33 |
| AlanBell | ah, so not using the built in shapes | 16:34 |
| * bigcalm pokes keyserver | 16:34 | |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: how long ago ? | 16:36 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: well yes in some cases, but in others, creaating the image you're going to reuse over and over to save you have to create it | 16:36 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: more than 15 mins ago | 16:36 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: One of my keys is up there | 16:37 |
| popey | bigcalm: limbo is a very nice little game, i like it | 16:37 |
| bigcalm | Oh, both are now :) | 16:37 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: patience so :) can take a while to updated | 16:37 |
| AlanBell | czajkowski: yeah, I still like pencil but I can see the co-editing in google docs is quite handy | 16:37 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: not seen anyone co-edit, though the possibility is there | 16:37 |
| AlanBell | co-editing in pencil would be even better | 16:37 |
| * bigcalm scratches his head | 16:37 | |
| bigcalm | I only get my cuth.eu key in a search result on my name. But if I search by the key hex id, I can see my idophp.co.uk key | 16:38 |
| bigcalm | Maybe it caches searches | 16:39 |
| bigcalm | Just capitalised my names and it now shows both keys :) | 16:39 |
| bigcalm | Hazar! Just got key into launchpad | 16:42 |
| bigcalm | Bah, gmail on android doesn't do gpg | 16:47 |
| bigcalm | Do iOS devices? | 16:47 |
| popey | dunno, not tried | 16:49 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: have a look at firegpg plugin for firfox and see if it is available on android and use FF to access your gmail and use the FF firegpg plugin | 16:50 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: the other thing to look for is pgp rather than gpg | 16:50 |
| czajkowski | http://niederfamily.blogspot.be/2012/06/silencing-of-maya.html one of the most sadest blog posts I've read in a long time :( | 16:50 |
| bigcalm | Indeed. I used pgp a _long_ time ago | 16:50 |
| bigcalm | ACK! | 16:52 |
| bigcalm | I haven't got my laptop ready for tomorrow | 16:52 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: print off your key and bring you driving license tomorrow and I'll sign your key :) | 16:52 |
| bigcalm | Really don't want to do it after midnight tonight | 16:52 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: hehe, sure. I read that bit and thought about doing so :P | 16:52 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| davmor2 | bigcalm: there is a nice gpg signing party script some where out there that gives you an nice a4 page of important info for you to hand out | 16:54 |
| bigcalm | One of the best guitar intros ever: The Smiths - How Soon Is Now? | 16:55 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Guns 'n' Roses Paradise city, AC/DC Thunderstruck, Led Zeplin "Stairway to heaven", guns 'n' roses knockin' on heavens door, Jimi Hendrix Voodoo Child or All along the watch tower I could go on but don't have time :P | 17:17 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| directhex | ali1234, 2012-06-12 build works for me, joypadwise. with my 360 pad. | 17:18 |
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| ali1234 | how do i report a bug when i have a crash dump and exact steps to reproduce? | 18:06 |
| ali1234 | when i try to use ubuntu-bug it just files a whoopsie report and does not ask me for any details | 18:06 |
| ging | is there a flash update that has stopped bbc iplayer working on ubuntu? | 18:46 |
| ali1234 | no, it works fine here | 18:47 |
| ging | it's now saying i need to install flash player | 18:48 |
| ging | i was using it on sunday | 18:48 |
| ging | why doesn't it work!!!! | 18:52 |
| MartijnVdS | restart chrome | 18:56 |
| MartijnVdS | or $browser | 18:57 |
| ging | i have | 19:01 |
| ging | firefox | 19:01 |
| ging | i've installed the lastest package from the adobe website | 19:04 |
| ging | but i don't understand why the ordinary one was not working | 19:04 |
| === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon | ||
| czajkowski | ging: are you breaking things :) | 19:12 |
| czajkowski | popey: I know you;ve mentioned not being able to see private bugs before but still knowing they are there. you may want to me too this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/764414 | 20:15 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 764414 in apport (Ubuntu) "private master bugs are confusing and lead to more duplicate filings" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 20:15 |
| popey | czajkowski: I'm now on bugsquad so I can see private bugs now :D | 20:15 |
| popey | I have me-too'ed it though ☺ | 20:16 |
| === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon | ||
| czajkowski | coolio | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | why is psychonauts on software centre for free? | 20:19 |
| popey | its not here | 20:24 |
| popey | its 9.99 usd | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | for me it appears twice when i search | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | one for free and one for 9.99, and with different descriptions | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | and which ever one i click they are both listed as "free" | 20:25 |
| popey | ahh | 20:25 |
| popey | i havent clicked the button on the special page yet | 20:25 |
| popey | so I only see the paid one | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | i clicked it last night and left it installing, but this morning it wasn't installed and software centre was gone | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | has anyone tried lone survivor yet? | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | can't get it to work at all, it's a flash projector - that means an ancient version of flash player wrapped into an exe file | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | it spits out a load of errors about menuproxy and then dies | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | btw, none of the other games appear twice in software centre. they only appear as the pay versions | 20:28 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments 0.2 Released - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/13/ubuntu-accomplishments-0-2-released/ | 20:28 |
| popey | right | 20:40 |
| popey | listen here | 20:40 |
| popey | what can I do to see which bit of firefox is eating my cpu? | 20:40 |
| * popey tickles chrisccoulson for an answer | 20:40 | |
| ali1234 | which bit? | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | it's always the same bit: flash plugin | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | the rest of ff only likes to eat ram | 20:41 |
| popey | heh | 20:41 |
| popey | yeah, i am watching a video on youtube and its stuttering | 20:41 |
| popey | on a 2.8GHz CPU | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | lol | 20:41 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, flashplugin is always the first thing i kill | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | well that's a bad start | 20:41 |
| chrisccoulson | for memory use, about:memory comes in handy ;) | 20:42 |
| popey | memory i am less bothered by | 20:42 |
| popey | its that my cpu is being eaten alive | 20:43 |
| popey | ~60% by firefox | 20:43 |
| popey | be nice if it had a tab cpu monitor like chrome | 20:43 |
| popey | may be time to switch back to chrome again | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | there's a fun bug in pulseaudio where buffer underruns make it max the CPU (probably polling for next buffer) | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | the extra CPU load more or less guarantees the next buffer will be late too | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | so once you've dropped a buffer it goes into a vicious cycle of stuttering | 20:44 |
| MartijnVdS | until you pause | 20:44 |
| chrisccoulson | popey, does the CPU drop if you pause the video in youtube? | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | that doesn't work in any application that generates an audio stream on the fly, such as any game | 20:44 |
| popey | no chrisccoulson | 20:44 |
| popey | i have lots of other tabs open too | 20:45 |
| popey | i want to know which ones are eating it | 20:45 |
| popey | about 40 tabs | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | close tabs until it stops | 20:45 |
| chrisccoulson | popey, there's not really an easy way short of closing each one in turn to see if it goes away | 20:45 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah ;) | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | however my guess is it will go down by about 2% for each tab | 20:45 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 20:45 |
| MartijnVdS | who has >4 tabs? | 20:45 |
| chrisccoulson | it's quite easy for a site to gobble CPU ;) | 20:46 |
| MartijnVdS | disable javascript! | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | disable images too | 20:46 |
| MartijnVdS | and plugins | 20:46 |
| popey | use lynx? | 20:46 |
| chrisccoulson | images aren't likely to use CPU | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | actually strip all html tags is the best solution | 20:46 |
| popey | 48% | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | chrisccoulson: unless they're animated gifs | 20:47 |
| popey | 44% system monitor | 20:47 |
| chrisccoulson | well, there is that i guess | 20:47 |
| MartijnVdS | get a better cpu ;) | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | yes | 20:47 |
| popey | 9160 alan 20 0 3944m 2.3g 22m S 33 30.3 1516:58 firefox | 20:48 |
| MartijnVdS | 2.3g of ram?! | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | what did i say before about 3ghz quad core being the minimum requirement for a real computer? | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | 2.3g is low for firefox | 20:48 |
| MartijnVdS | 19341 martijn 20 0 913m 338m 43m S 0 4.3 124:08.80 chrome | 20:48 |
| MartijnVdS | and that's the largest one | 20:48 |
| popey | i now have 27 tabs open | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | chrome makes loads of processes | 20:48 |
| chrisccoulson | 2.3g is definitely not low for firefox. that is abnormally large | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | you probably have another 7 like that using just as much memory | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | chrisccoulson: not for firefox. | 20:49 |
| popey | been running for a while | 20:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i never see it above 600MB here and i keep > 30 tabs open | 20:49 |
| chrisccoulson | MartijnVdS, that is highly abnormal | 20:49 |
| chrisccoulson | if it's running like that, then you have a serious problem. i can assure you, it isn't normal ;) | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | chrisccoulson: exactly | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | chrisccoulson: how much ram do you hav total? | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | chrisccoulson: firefox eats 4GB usually | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | chrisccoulson: so 2.3G is low | 20:49 |
| chrisccoulson | ali1234, 8gb | 20:49 |
| popey | not sure how to read about:memory | 20:50 |
| chrisccoulson | MartijnVdS, sorry, but firefox does not eat 4gb usually. if it does for you, then there is something seriously wrong with something on your setup, or with a site you're visiting | 20:50 |
| chrisccoulson | popey, you can copy/paste it somewhere ;) | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | firefox has that fun switch statement that makes it waste systemram - 0.5gb or whatever | 20:51 |
| eztk | I agree, I'm running Firefox right now on a 2003 vintage laptop with 768mb ram on lubuntu | 20:51 |
| MartijnVdS | chrisccoulson: Chrome stays around 1G, so I'll just use that | 20:51 |
| chrisccoulson | ali1234, huh? | 20:51 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1039698/ | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | i kid you not. there's a switch statement that decides ow much ram it allocates on startup | 20:51 |
| chrisccoulson | ali1234, no there isn't | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | if there isn't, it's been removed in the past year | 20:52 |
| chrisccoulson | popey, google+ !!!! | 20:52 |
| chrisccoulson | that doesn't surprise me at all | 20:52 |
| chrisccoulson | in fact, the majority of it is google sites ;) | 20:53 |
| MartijnVdS | So? | 20:53 |
| MartijnVdS | Google sites don't eat as much ram in chrome | 20:53 |
| MartijnVdS | ├────443.46 MB (19.04%) ── heap-unclassified | 20:54 |
| MartijnVdS | what's that? | 20:54 |
| MartijnVdS | 625.98 MB ── heap-unallocated | 20:54 |
| MartijnVdS | it could easily let go of that | 20:54 |
| popey | the thing i like about chrome is i can close it, reopen it and it re-loads all the tabs I had open | 20:54 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: it does? | 20:54 |
| popey | firefox only remembers pinned tabs | 20:54 |
| popey | it can | 20:54 |
| popey | optionally | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | not here it doesn't | 20:55 |
| dogmatic69 | popey: any browser does that | 20:55 |
| gord | firefox remembers all my tabs here | 20:55 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: only if you kill -9 it | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | firefox remembers all my tabs here, even though i have disabled that option | 20:55 |
| dogmatic69 | google chrome, chromium, ff all do it | 20:55 |
| popey | nope | 20:55 |
| popey | not true | 20:55 |
| gord | nope it does it constantly MartijnVdS | 20:55 |
| popey | i have that pastebin open | 20:55 |
| * popey closes firefox | 20:55 | |
| dogmatic69 | popey: I use all three every day ;) | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | firefox *always* exits in a crash even if i do file->quit, which is why. every second time i start it, i get the "oops" display | 20:55 |
| popey | dogmatic69: that doesnt make it work | 20:55 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: I get that with spotify | 20:56 |
| chrisccoulson | MartijnVdS, heap-unclassified is memory used by objects that don't have a dedicated reporter | 20:56 |
| popey | joy, can't open firefox because it's still running, yet closed | 20:56 |
| popey | right, finally reopened | 20:56 |
| chrisccoulson | and no, it can't get rid of heap-unallocated, else it would have done already | 20:56 |
| popey | and the pastebin is _not_ opened | 20:56 |
| MartijnVdS | chrisccoulson: so, bug in firefox? | 20:56 |
| chrisccoulson | no | 20:56 |
| gord | could it not just be a setting somewhere popey? | 20:56 |
| popey | could be, which one? ☺ | 20:56 |
| gord | no idea, i haven't touched my settings in a long time and use the sync thing to keep all my machines the same | 20:57 |
| popey | aha! | 20:57 |
| chrisccoulson | MartijnVdS, heap-unallocated is a result of heap fragmentation, which is quite normal | 20:57 |
| popey | "What firefox starts: " was set to "show home page" | 20:57 |
| popey | changed it to "show my windows and tabs from last time" | 20:57 |
| popey | ta | 20:57 |
| popey | thats why i never used to close it | 20:57 |
| gord | firefox finally got the same new tab page thingy that chrome has recently. not sure i need to see 9 different reddit pages on my new tab thing | 20:58 |
| popey | now lets see what flash video is like | 20:58 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrome has a "Goats teleported" metric in its process manager | 20:58 |
| MartijnVdS | Wut. | 20:58 |
| popey | 12299 alan 20 0 1908m 832m 45m S 19 10.6 0:50.69 firefox | 20:58 |
| popey | no stuttering \o/ | 20:58 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.goat-trauma.org/ | 21:00 |
| dogmatic69 | popey: http://i.imgur.com/MHIMk.png | 21:01 |
| chrisccoulson | popey, i avoid memory issues by not keeping any google sites open btw ;) | 21:01 |
| chrisccoulson | although that probably doesn't work for everyone | 21:02 |
| popey | ☺ | 21:02 |
| dogmatic69 | the options are not default iirc | 21:03 |
| chrisccoulson | popey, i sat down with slangasek at the last platform sprint because he was having a problem with frequent disk wakeups with firefox | 21:03 |
| chrisccoulson | and it turned out to be google plus frequently using a specific web API which causes a disk write | 21:03 |
| chrisccoulson | but running it in chrome didn't use the same API | 21:04 |
| chrisccoulson | go figure ;) | 21:04 |
| livingdaylite | Hi, does anyone know the name, I forget, of a little server machine that goes fits on back of monitor? | 21:04 |
| popey | revo? | 21:04 |
| livingdaylite | maybe, let me check | 21:04 |
| livingdaylite | they had a couple versions of it. | 21:05 |
| livingdaylite | hrmm, don't think so | 21:05 |
| popey | what colour was it? | 21:05 |
| popey | or any other factors that give it away ☺ | 21:06 |
| diddledan | there was the zotac machine | 21:06 |
| popey | the Acer Aspire Revo 3600 / 3660 / 3700 has a screen mount | 21:06 |
| livingdaylite | it was a small box , black, or silver? fit on back of monitor, if memory serves. Ran ubuntu or linux | 21:06 |
| popey | Viglen MPC-L? | 21:06 |
| livingdaylite | YES! | 21:06 |
| livingdaylite | thx! | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | yeah you're better of getting a raspberry i | 21:07 |
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| ali1234 | unless you really need VGA that is | 21:07 |
| dogmatic69 | ali1234: rasberry i? is that the new version :P | 21:07 |
| popey | yeah, i wouldn't get a viglen mpc-l | 21:08 |
| popey | well, i have two of them in a drawer, unused for about a yeare | 21:08 |
| livingdaylite | no? no good? | 21:08 |
| popey | slow | 21:08 |
| popey | whats the use case? | 21:08 |
| livingdaylite | I'm looking for a desktop again :( | 21:08 |
| dogmatic69 | o.o | 21:08 |
| dogmatic69 | livingdaylite: that is not a desktop replacement | 21:09 |
| livingdaylite | I got a new hd , third in a row, but I see that it is not the hd but the machine somehow breaking them... Installed ubuntu yesterday and quickly experiencing the same issues of freeze | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | i don't think it cen even run ubuntu any more | 21:09 |
| popey | correct | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | you have to use lucid on it | 21:09 |
| livingdaylite | dogmatic69: fair enough... I was hoping | 21:09 |
| popey | revo is fine | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | also they are quite flaky due to overheating | 21:10 |
| dogmatic69 | livingdaylite: you could get a full pc (all be it crappy) for like 100 bucks | 21:10 |
| dogmatic69 | with GB's of ram, not MB's | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | hmm software centre disappeared again | 21:11 |
| livingdaylite | I don't enjoy shopping for pc's especially when having been out of it for so long. Things change and move along | 21:11 |
| livingdaylite | I did find this which looked promising. They come without os, so that's good. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Altera-Computers-Ltd/_i.html?_fsub=3898032018 | 21:11 |
| popey | livingdaylite: my desktop pc is a zoostorm cheapy thing from ebuyer | 21:12 |
| ali1234 | http://ubuntuone.com/0sUDG3xdEMsmbTjFK4Mazq | 21:14 |
| livingdaylite | does amd still make processors? | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | what do? | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | livingdaylite: seriously? | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | yes, they still make processors | 21:15 |
| livingdaylite | ali1234: seriously, haven't heard much about amd's anymore.... I'm sort of up to speed with the new intel i3, i5, i7 processors (barely) | 21:16 |
| livingdaylite | does this look good? http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Altera-Computers-Ltd/_i.html?_fsub=3898032018 | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | which one? | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | none of them have enough RAM for the price | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | you want at least 8GB | 21:17 |
| mrgt | join #codeigniter | 21:17 |
| livingdaylite | that one comes with 4gb | 21:17 |
| livingdaylite | ali1234: can you show me something better for the same money? [£200 - £300] | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006ZINQE8/ref=asc_df_B006ZINQE88302616?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B006ZINQE8 | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | also includes a hard drive, the other one doesn't | 21:19 |
| livingdaylite | Ithe other did have a 250gb hd | 21:22 |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/362648-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1058 | 21:23 |
| popey | 228 quid, 8gb ram, 750gb hdd, looks good | 21:23 |
| livingdaylite | wow, that does... | 21:24 |
| livingdaylite | looks like zoostorms are popular here | 21:24 |
| popey | they're cheap | 21:24 |
| livingdaylite | good value | 21:24 |
| livingdaylite | yes | 21:24 |
| popey | i am resting my feet on one now ☺ | 21:24 |
| livingdaylite | hehe | 21:24 |
| livingdaylite | loud? | 21:24 |
| popey | nope | 21:24 |
| livingdaylite | really!? | 21:24 |
| popey | the one i have isnt | 21:25 |
| popey | mine is an i7 | 21:25 |
| popey | has no case fan, just one on the cpu | 21:25 |
| popey | other models may vary | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | if you want it to be not loud and also good you will have to spend lots of money | 21:25 |
| livingdaylite | case same on yours? difference is only processor? | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | but it depends how you define "loud" | 21:25 |
| popey | the cases all look similar | 21:25 |
| popey | yeah, i have a server 6 inches from my ear | 21:26 |
| popey | so i dont hear the desktop under my feet really | 21:26 |
| popey | maybe 18 inches from my ear | 21:26 |
| livingdaylite | ali1234: sure. beggers can't be choosers. I dream of getting a water cooling system one day... almost completely quiet | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | random windows question: is it possible to get rid of windows ribbon and get the old menus back, in arbitrary applications? | 21:27 |
| livingdaylite | popey: got link to your machine? | 21:27 |
| livingdaylite | just curious | 21:27 |
| popey | Zoostorm Advanced Media PC, Core i7-2600 3.4GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, DVDRW, Windows 7 Professional | 21:29 |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/271629 | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | 8156 root 25 5 101m 7472 3788 R 99 0.0 7:19.56 https | 21:29 |
| livingdaylite | thx | 21:29 |
| popey | they dont do that specific model anymore | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | whaaaaat? ^ | 21:29 |
| popey | £491.40 | 21:29 |
| popey | ali1234: apt | 21:30 |
| popey | ? | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | why is my computer running https using 100% cpu? | 21:30 |
| popey | connecting to private ppa | 21:30 |
| livingdaylite | what is intel equivalent of amd A6 processor? is it like the i3/i5/i7 series? | 21:30 |
| popey | no idea, i have no knowledge of AMD models | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | there are no equivalents | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | in a sense, all AMD processors are equivalent to i7, because i3/i5 is just i7 with features disabled | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | however, all AMD processors are slower than i7s | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | and also about 4x cheaper | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | oh, and no hyperthreading either | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | though bulldozer sort of has it... basically you can't compare them at all | 21:32 |
| livingdaylite | you like AMD's? | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | yes | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | pound for pound they have about the same performance as intel, but the motherboards are about half the price | 21:33 |
| diddledan | hyperthreading can be a problem though if the scheduler doesn't account for the difference in speed of a real core and a hyperthreaded core | 21:33 |
| livingdaylite | by equivalent I mean. Well, i thought they used to compete and run paralel ''equivalent'' processors... | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah not any more | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | these days they use incompatible extensions | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | remember mmx? | 21:33 |
| livingdaylite | i see | 21:33 |
| livingdaylite | mmx, no | 21:33 |
| diddledan | mmx circa 1995 :-o | 21:34 |
| directhex | ali1234, there's no way to arbitrarily unribbon. there may be third party paid apps to mangle it, but YMMV | 21:35 |
| livingdaylite | AMD A6 3500 Triple Core 2.1GHz vs Intel Core i3-2120 | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | directhex: i see. thanks | 21:36 |
| livingdaylite | £228 vs £309 | 21:36 |
| diddledan | the A6 is their so-called APU range, right? in which case pound-for-pound the graphics will be better in the APU than the intel | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | maybe, but who uses integrated graphics seriously? | 21:36 |
| diddledan | true | 21:37 |
| directhex | you can crossfire an APU with a real GPU | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | that's pretty cool | 21:38 |
| diddledan | I like my bulldozer 8-way unit even though it's an odd design | 21:38 |
| mgdm | what's an 'APU' (aside from the aeronautical sense) | 21:39 |
| directhex | http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/dual-graphics/pages/dual-graphics.aspx#3 | 21:39 |
| directhex | mgdm, amd's current name for on-cpu gpu | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | in this context, a CPU+GPU on one die | 21:39 |
| mgdm | aaaah | 21:39 |
| diddledan | accelerated processing unit - effectively it's a cpu+gpu | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | in smartphone context it means application processor - kind of a locked down co-processor where the user OS runs, and isn't allowed to touch any radio hardware without going through the real CPU | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | (this is also how raspberry pi works) | 21:40 |
| livingdaylite | popey: this was a review on the AMD zoostorm you linked me: http://pastebin.com/PtM0kLa2 | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | psychonauts finally installed. no icon for it in the menus though. | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | why apport why? http://ubuntuone.com/3mpP4Cpld1AA6f9aDv9mnZ | 21:48 |
| livingdaylite | ali1234: http://bit.ly/Nh24A3 bulldozer processor | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | it only has 4GB | 22:12 |
| livingdaylite | only? but price is pretty good... overall | 22:14 |
| livingdaylite | I have a few gb on my current pc I can carry over | 22:14 |
| ali1234 | you are better off getting 8GB and dual core | 22:14 |
| livingdaylite | ram more important than processor? | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | yes | 22:15 |
| diddledan | I want more "gigs" | 22:15 |
| livingdaylite | oh?! | 22:15 |
| directhex | gigglebytes! | 22:15 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 22:15 |
| * diddledan giggles like a girly | 22:15 | |
| livingdaylite | I thought 4gb more than enough | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | i can set my computer to powersave mode (800mhz) and it barely make any difference | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | 4GB however was unusably slow | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | so i upgraded to 16 | 22:16 |
| livingdaylite | but, like I say I have ram to carry over and make up the difference | 22:16 |
| diddledan | yeah, I want 16.. I'm on 8 atm in here and 6 in my old black macbook | 22:16 |
| livingdaylite | but, amd fx processors good | 22:17 |
| livingdaylite | *quad core | 22:17 |
| diddledan | I like mine, but I don't really know enough to dislike it - it works, that's about as advanced as I get | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | phenom 2 is supposed to be almost as good | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | unless you need integrated graphics | 22:18 |
| diddledan | mine's an octo-core :-D | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | yeah you won't get a 8 core cpu for under £200 | 22:18 |
| diddledan | although each pair is crippled into only having one FPU to share | 22:19 |
| ali1234 | just for the cpu, not including everything else | 22:19 |
| diddledan | indeed | 22:19 |
| ali1234 | i might get e X6 | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: when openmary says "thank you" it sounds a lot like something else | 22:23 |
| AlanBell | I could add a button for that | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | needs a js speech synth really | 22:27 |
| mgdm | run festival through emscripten? :P | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | http://www.p01.org/releases/JS1K_Speech_Synthesizer/JS1K_Speech_Synthesizer.htm | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | makes a better drum machine than speech synthesizer | 22:29 |
| webpigeon | Drum mashine might me optimistic... | 22:34 |
| webpigeon | s/me/be/ | 22:34 |
| AlanBell | decent speech synth is quite heavy | 22:40 |
| AlanBell | as this is a small vocabulary you could sample the lot | 22:40 |
| AlanBell | but then you don't get to parameterise it and change the pitch etc | 22:40 |
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| diddledan | they say there's gonna be a "Linux" version of this game if they get enough funding | 23:10 |
| diddledan | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/935411564/hexit-point-and-click-sci-fi-adventure-game | 23:10 |
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| gebbione | hi i m trying to set a path to an alias with a space in it | 23:57 |
| gebbione | and using something like alias zf='/path/here web/ZendFramework-1.11.11/bin/zf.sh' | 23:58 |
| gebbione | but if i run zf it says | 23:58 |
| gebbione | /path/here No such file or directory | 23:59 |
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