[06:54] ali1234: some atom boards are 2048 if you consider that modern [07:02] hello all [07:08] Morning all [07:11] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18419231 linus on the beeb [07:35] Good read AlanBell [07:48] good morning everyone. [07:58] morning brobostigon [07:58] morning diplo [08:05] morning [08:08] BADGER [08:09] hedgehog [08:11] 40 Tonne truck....Squelch [08:16] Goooooooooooood morning you lovely techies :) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk_away_afk === schwuk_away_afk is now known as schwuk [08:23] good morning one and all [08:23] Ah, life [08:24] Don't talk to me about life [08:24] :) [08:25] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/200246 anyone want to help a new user out [08:30] Good morning all! :) [08:41] czajkowski: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [08:50] Hello. [08:54] Good morning - this time with coffee [09:05] what do I need to know to feel comfortable in a linux sys admin job? [09:05] I so badly want one [09:06] I learnt a scripting language and bash, I play around with distributions [09:07] Ross____, learn the RHCE course [09:07] go throug the syllabus and buy the RHCE book [09:07] ahhhh cheers! [09:07] :D [09:08] Sounds like fun [09:08] and learn to follow instructions exactly, and always check and double check before making changes, and have a backout plan for when trhings go wrong [09:08] and do "fun projects" at home, and learn to enjoy mundane stuff, and always document stuff [09:09] always docment stuff? Hmmm sound advice :) [09:09] docuwhat? [09:09] document [09:10] I think in six months when I probably will know even more than I do now, I am just going to apply for entery linux sys admin jobs anyway [09:11] i still wouldn't (and didn't in the past) hire a sysadmin who knows loads about linux , but lacks the personal qualities to do good work and not break stuff [09:14] and don't use customised anything unless absolutely necessary i.e. stock hardware and stock kernel [09:15] i get annoyed when i see people patching mysql and kernel for frivolous reasons, and then becoming a mysql maintainer just for themselves, having to patch every release [09:15] The Linux Documentation Project is fantastic [09:15] also, there's a debian administrator's manual which has just been released [09:16] on a pay as you like download (inckluding free) [09:18] There is one thing i am avoiding [09:18] and that's using vim or emacs [09:18] I mean, there isn't much time :( [09:18] Just been asked to recommend an app for editing word and excel on an iPad.... Why ask me, I have an Android tablet? [09:20] Ross____: the advantage of vim is that it's installed *everywhere* [09:20] and it's easy to learn the basics [09:20] Ross____: so if you can do basic text editing in that, you'll be ok on any random system, which might not have nano or whatever [09:20] just buy the vim mug [09:21] hmmmm well I may reconsider [09:23] Defo, vi basics are quite simple.. just google vi cheat sheet [09:23] All you need for day to day [09:23] I made a point of learning vi and emacs at least to the extent of being able to write a small file, in case I needed to do that in order to install another text editor. I ended up sticking with vi and I still use it all the time now, 20 years later. [09:24] I *had* to learn vi, all that was installed on our AIX box at work, and we weren't allowed to install anything else [09:24] yeahm, I quickly discovered that vi is ubiquitous. [09:24] I'm still no master by any means, but use it everyday [09:24] there are some amazing things you can do with vi, but my brain can't handle half of them ;) [09:25] I heard it is a good python editor [09:25] syntax hilighting in vi is really handy [09:25] I still use gedit with an embedded terminal [09:25] in the installer, when I get this purple screen with the logotype and five dots; is there any way to dismiss this screen? [09:26] does gedit do this as well, Ross____? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hBuHSXuyA14/Sk3_RwjCtoI/AAAAAAAAAF0/Kp8roNcDhFk/s400/Picture+1.png [09:28] syntax highlighting? [09:28] yes [09:28] depending what theme you set, I guess [09:28] And from the suggestion of RHCE, that's quite hard core to set your goals to [09:29] LPIC is probably a better bet, or Linux+ which gives you the LPIC course certs afaik [09:30] in 10.04, how do I change the login screen theme? [09:30] LolPIC [09:30] I want to make it so you need to type a username rather than just select one === deegee__ is now known as drussell [09:31] meh, RHCE isn't bad, you can go via the RHCT course first if you want [09:31] RHCE builds on that [09:31] I've never come across anywhere that considered the LPI to hold any weight, but RHCE does [09:32] (NB: this is my own experience) [09:32] yeah, also a lot dearer.. not putting people off whole heartedly(sp?) [09:32] I want to do it, but a few things have stopped me [09:32] you don't have to do this to get a linux job do you? [09:33] or just follow the RHCE syllabus which is printed online, and learn from the textbook [09:33] some of these seem expensive [09:33] for the wages I am on [09:33] i self learned, and added the certs afterwards to prove it [09:33] Ross____: I've worked on Unix/Linux on and off for ten years and haven't taken any course [09:33] So no, it's not needed [09:34] I'm intending to do what mungojerry says once I have some free cash [09:40] Just made myself the most perfect pot noodle ever [09:40] So happy [09:41] 10:40 pot noodle? [09:41] 10:40 — pot noodle break [09:41] if I ever have pot noodle I under-cook it, like the pasta a bit crispy [09:41] * Laney cleans bigcalm's windows [09:41] So how should I document new things I discover? [09:42] what's the best way to do it ? [09:42] ahh, apparently it's plymouth [09:42] popey: I rarely eat breakfast, this was an energy requirement [09:42] ah [09:42] i made two poached eggs on toast for brekkie [09:42] yummy [09:43] slamming it into a document sounds boring to me [09:44] Ross____: doing actions over and over again every day will embed themselves into your memory [09:44] I hadn't had a pot noodle in many years until last week [09:44] I had a craving for one of the curry ones [09:44] bigcalm: Pot Noodles are the work of some very dodgey people! Don't do that to yourself :( [09:44] Ross____: without looking it up, how do you extract a bz2 tarball? [09:45] bigcalm: server administration is an open book test :P [09:45] Ross____: I'm learning 'simple' at the moment, a in house programming language.. I use google docs to write down stuff to point me in the right directions but not the whole answer [09:45] Time's up: tar zjvf foo.tar.bz2 [09:46] dogmatic69: fair enough, but one should still know day to day commands without having to look in a man page :) [09:46] I have to look up tar.gz decompression *EVERY TIME* [09:46] :/ [09:47] as far as my brain is concerned its something like tar -djfsklgasjdflaksd file.tar.gz [09:47] bigcalm: zj? [09:47] popey: no, my mistake :D [09:47] also [09:47] no need ☺ [09:47] hehe [09:47] tar autodetects these days [09:47] It does? :( [09:47] it does ☺ [09:48] so you dont need the j or or the z [09:48] I have to force myself to replace x with c when I'm creating a tarball. Early morning confusion made me replace x with j [09:51] Pot noodle be gone :( [09:51] Sounds like I've just banished it [09:54] lol popey I didn't know that either, learn something new every day as the old adage goes [09:58] AlanBell: scaling that image down by 4 massively detracts from your point [10:01] I didn't think it did, but I will put the full size version up at some point then [10:01] The pointer looks odd as well [10:01] hooray, I shall be building a Lego Pi case this evening [10:02] Humm, shall I sneak in a little more of Limbo? [10:02] bigcalm: yeah, it got scaled by accident, I didn't realise it was there until after. My point was about the launcher and panel so I didn't think it mattered [10:02] well, it's inaccurate. "this is what it looks like". "no, it doesn't", "you missed my point", "you lied" ☺ [10:03] gah [10:03] * AlanBell will do a better image [10:03] * bigcalm hugs AlanBell [10:03] :) [10:03] and the launcher and panel will be the same proportion to the desktop as in the mockup [10:20] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/unityretinafull.png happy now? [10:20] That's big [10:21] as for documentation, i use tomboy synced across machines for quick notes, and then add them to a wiki (twiki or docuwiki) for others on friday afternoons [10:21] woops, ross____ has gone [10:21] AlanBell, that's missing the point of retina display isn't it? idea is to scale so it "feels like" 1920x1200, but with better detail [10:21] i use psr on windows, which is one of the best apps i know, and wish it was on linux [10:22] directhex: yes, my entire point was that Ubuntu won't look particularly useable on such displays unless some scaling is done [10:22] * AlanBell is surprised at the number of ways such a point can be missed! [10:22] :) [10:23] new father. mental scrollback limit is ~10 lines [10:23] directhex: getting any sleep at night? [10:23] you are forgiven, and context was spread across mailing lists and G+ [10:24] well i saw it first on G+ [10:24] and it wasn't explained well at all there [10:24] bigcalm, a few hours [10:24] non-sequentially [10:25] heh, children are great [10:25] Don't worry, it doesn't get better as they get older [10:26] Yeah, I'll keep my sanity and get a cat/dog in a few years [10:26] :) [10:26] Not sure about that, my sister just got a 9 week old puppy [10:27] Been getting her up at 04:30 each morning for a wee [10:27] Amongst nibbling her toes to make sure she is awake [10:27] put newspaper down? [10:28] I think she prefers to be woke up as at least the dog knows it needs to pee outside [10:28] Hayley can look after the puppy. I'll cuttle the kitten [10:28] heh, I'd say kittens are worse than pups [10:28] Cuttle? [10:28] Rip the place to shreds whilst they are learning [10:29] * mungojerry is still in desktop limbo after quitting unity again [10:29] KDE looks stable now but i think i've moved on [10:32] you change desktop more often than I mow my lawn [10:32] how opften do you mow your lawn? [10:34] mungojerry: I was using Cinnamon but that was crashing to much [10:34] Gone back to Gnome Fallback [10:35] Stable works all the time [10:35] i've been on gnome 2 since about 2003 [10:35] I've spent the morning writing documentation and feel that I've wasted my morning [10:36] pah [10:36] czajkowski: I write code, not docs! [10:36] bigcalm, whoever succeeds you will thank you in your absnce [10:36] :O [10:36] so put your name on it :D [10:37] bigcalm: you should always do both. [10:37] i would definitely be using gnome3 right now if it wasn't a collection of the most bizarre decisions ever made [10:38] diplo, i'm on fallback atm [10:38] has a few quirks though [10:38] * AlanBell is on unity and lxde on the raspberry pi [10:38] developers are always the worst documentation writers [10:38] checkgmail and pidgin don't work in the notification area, and some weird window behaviour [10:38] Actually, I need to refactor the documentation for this API I wrote. Is there a suggested format for API documentation? [10:38] would like to run unity on the pi [10:39] bigcalm, doxygen style works well, as long as doxygen supports your language [10:39] AlanBell, you are on unity and lxde? [10:39] gord: I don't need an automated one. Just need to re-write the document I've already written in a more consistent style [10:40] gord: unity on my laptop and lxde on the pi [10:40] is it true about the helicopters looking for green lawns and hosepipes? [10:40] AlanBell, unity2d no worky? [10:41] gord: not tried building it yet, I was waiting for popey to do it [10:42] how is the raspi performance wise? [10:42] running lxde [10:42] similar to an eee pc 701? [10:43] oh right yeah, because the pi is the old arm architecture [10:43] mungojerry: its the same as an iphone 3 [10:44] Just tried to install php5-gd and got this warning: [10:44] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! [10:44] libxpm4 libgd2-xpm libt1-5 [10:44] popey, i've never run ubuntu on an iphone though. [10:44] eeepc felt quite sluggish [10:44] first time I have seen that, is it ok? [10:44] the keyboard was quite laggy sometimes [10:44] my kids both run 12.04 + unity 2d on an Eee 900 [10:44] 900Mhz Celeron, 2GB RAM [10:45] hmm, same spec [10:45] dogmatic69: getting those from a ppa? [10:45] no [10:45] just apt-get install [10:45] no, the 701 is underclocked to 600MHa [10:45] *MHz [10:45] no ppa's [10:45] 660 or so [10:45] although every time i updated my eeepc the cpu freq governor needed setting up differently [10:46] http://mirror.rackspace.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libgd2-xpm [10:46] the eeepc was the last time i allowed myself to be early adopter man [10:47] i have no use for raspi at the mo that my slug doesn't do, but later on i'd like a raspi on my telly [10:47] but want a faster version [10:47] since xbmc doesn't even run properly on my powerpc mac mini [10:48] xbmc works okay on my pi [10:48] played with it last night with a boxee remote [10:48] mungojerry: it performs fine, the CPU is slow, the GPU is fast, I am using it to do ssh stuff in terminals so nothing taxing [10:48] i couldn't even get past the first screen on the powerpc. must be the decent gpu [10:49] will wait until they upgrade the cpu before replacing my revos, can't be doing with building stuff myself [11:03] I might order my Rasp this week actually [11:03] everyone talking about them [11:03] :) [11:05] damn you bigcalm, I'm off to the co-op to get a pot noodle! [11:06] although i may be tempted by other things in there.. [11:06] Bwuhaha :D [11:06] Nooooo! Pot Noodles are evil [11:07] And I'm off to subway to get a Chicken Pizziola [11:07] Then again I'm off for a Boatmans breakfast, so I am not one to say about eating healthily [11:07] pot noodles reminds me of college and my mates living away from home used to live on them [11:07] Horrible things! [11:07] i appear to have no way of seeing my contacts list in pidgin [11:08] just the auto opened windows [11:08] http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/about-us/consultations/equal-civil-marriage/ [11:08] offtopic but meh, so is pot noodle ☺ [11:09] (no need for discussion, just making sure people see it) [11:09] does anyone know how to change the login menu to require a username to be typed in rather than just selected? === schwuk is now known as schwuk_afk [11:20] aha: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1609008 [11:22] * czajkowski hugs popey === schwuk_afk is now known as schwuk [11:54] * popey has chicken soup [11:56] poor chicken [11:57] I hardly ever feed my chickens on soup [12:00] that was yum [12:01] oh exciting , I'll be going to my old college next year and giving a talk on how to translate packages/applications into other lanauges using Launchpad, and hopefully going to be giving a talk to some secondary school students :) [12:01] yum install soup === issyl0__ is now known as issyl0 [12:53] Couldn't eat another thing! === avelldiroll is now known as plantigrade === apw is now known as apw_ === apw_ is now known as cafetiere === cafetiere is now known as apw_ === apw_ is now known as cafetiere === cafetiere is now known as apw [13:22] * bigcalm nods to mrmist [13:31] Beat you to it popey :D [13:31] heh [13:32] didnt realise that was you! [13:32] o/ [13:32] Yeah that ugly git, really need some new photos taken of me for my profiles [13:33] Only thing I hate about posting to busy comments is the notifications [13:33] :) [13:35] popey: as luck would have it OMG have nicely explained my point for me [13:36] \o/ [13:38] for what its worth, the dash resizes to try and fit nicely on large displays and the launcher can be configured to be larger. panel can't but that's a few lines of code to put in a configure option [13:39] i'm more worried about trying to grab window borders at that dpi [13:51] * czajkowski peers at gord leave my window border on it's lonesome [13:55] It's currently a pixel hunt in xubuntu [13:56] yeah, in compiz we put a fake window around your window that lets you have a few extra pixels that you can resize your window by. its an X issue really [13:57] it is a people who write themes with no borders issue :) [13:58] bring on wayland [13:58] and *real* shadows [14:02] and absolutely no ability to change the window manager at all [14:03] seriously though, i do find it funny that people would pay a $1000 premium to get a screen where you can't read anything because the DPI is ridiculously high [14:03] yeah, the fact that windows draw their own decoration is a bit odd [14:03] I would pay for that screen [14:03] and run unmodified 12.04 on it tbh [14:03] AlanBell: they don't just draw their own decoration. the whole window manager is built into the server [14:04] imagine having to patch xorg if you want a tiling WM. that's wayland [14:04] i would buy a 2880x1800 screen if it was 40" [14:04] I don't want a tiling WM, I want real shadows. [14:04] anything less than that and it is stupid [14:05] your screenshot is unreadable on a 24" monitor [14:06] but really though, you could always use one of the actually finished desktops [14:07] uh, so. you increase text scaling to conform to your dpi [14:07] its not like you stick with a tiny 10pixel font [14:07] yeah [14:08] believe it or not, there are actually desktop environments that do that for you automatically [14:08] for example gnome, kde [14:08] shoudl get dpi from the EDID information I think [14:08] gnome never did, it was terrible at getting your dpi. didn't have one machine that it ever managed to set automatically [14:09] yeah, that's just nonsense [14:09] now they removed the dpi option and you are just left with scaling [14:09] EDID does often lie [14:09] not EDID. it;s the drivers [14:10] i've had edid lie to me a lot, with tv's especially [14:13] what's the actual DPI of it? 204? [14:15] ali1234: I've have EDID report a size of x=1024x768 y=1024x768 trust me EDID lies it depends which manufacture has done it [14:15] EDID lies, but so do drivers [14:15] uh-hu [14:15] 220 apparently, I thought it was 204 but I got it worng [14:15] wrong [14:16] i've had some drivers able to get correct EDID, and other drivers get wrong EDID, from the same device, on the same hardware, via the same cable [14:16] you do know that EDID reports horizontal and vertical refresh rates right? it's up to the video card to decide the actual modes [14:17] also reports physical screen size [14:17] badly [14:17] lots of TVs claim to be a 7 inch panel [14:17] TVs are very bad [14:17] TVs are super bad [14:17] but we're not talking about TVs, we're talking about a $2000 laptop [14:18] partly because of 1366x768, which is not a valid mode, so the TV has to lie by definition [14:18] what is not valid about it? [14:19] 1366 is not divisible by 8, so most cards can't output it. hence most 1366x768 tvs either scale by 6 pixels, or have a 3 pixel letterbox either side, and only accept 1360x768 as a mode [14:20] i see [14:20] davmor2: ping [14:20] of course, in 2012, all tvs should just do 1080p [14:20] bigcalm: you pinged [14:21] that explains why so many people have problems using HDTVs in linux tbh [14:22] 1080p... with overscan [14:22] overscan /o\ [14:23] davmor2: a) what time are we having pie, b) want a lift on my way though Wolves? [14:23] Bloody overscan [14:24] who thought overscan was useful on digital displays? [14:24] through [14:24] any hdmi device requesting it should be returned a flashing HD "feck off" image [14:28] bigcalm: a) when everybody gets there, b) no ta I might need to dash off, but thanks for the offer [14:28] davmor2: fair enough. I'll aim for 7.30 as usual then [14:28] Ooo, looks like rain \o/ [14:29] Guys thoughts on this please.. [14:29] bigcalm: yeap then we tend to hang around till every who says they are coming gets there then order as it is 2 for 1 on Wednesdays unless they have changed it so we all pair up and split the pie bill [14:29] Oooo [14:29] We have customers who want back ups to usb devices [14:30] diplo: if they are mains powered, sounds fair enough [14:30] So we have written bash scripts that want to mount as usb1 dir or usb2 [14:30] diplo: doddle standard ups unit and a usb plug [14:31] I've used uuid to identify devices [14:31] But we don't want to automount so fstab is set to noauto [14:31] what does mains power and UPS have to do with this? [14:31] So as ali1234 pointed out to me yesterday mount -a won't work [14:31] I'm confused [14:31] How would you work out what device was plugged in to mount [14:32] if won't work *if* you put noauto in fstab [14:32] so don't put noauto in fstab... [14:32] Oh, backups, not back UPS [14:32] anyway just use udisks [14:32] * bigcalm goes back to sleep [14:32] autofs! [14:32] OK, udisks, I will google now [14:32] I'm sure I had a quick look at autofs [14:33] Will relook at that aswell [14:33] Want a better solution, as ours sucks.. I only did part of it.. but keeps failing as logic sucks [14:33] https://github.com/ali1234/autoflash [14:34] Past my level of python, but taking a look now thanks ali1234 [14:35] "we want to hand out usb flash drives with some files on at a conference. here's a box of 1000 blank usb flash drives and the files are in your email" [14:36] ah right so the format part was for a particular reason not recommended reason. So could remove that.. [14:36] I will have a play I think [14:37] No special dependencies with the imports ? [14:58] The ubuntu nagios packages seem to be a fair way behind what nagios offer on their website. Precise repos have 3.2.3, and the nagios website has 3.4.1 which has quite a lot of fixes over 3.2.3. Would you advise going with the package from teh nagios website? [14:58] Source Twinkletoes ? [14:59] When i used to idle in the nagios channel and take notice, their package at the time had lot's of issues, and the guys in there recommended using repo packages [14:59] I still use 3.2.3 [14:59] diplo: Ah [15:00] But from memory that was 3.3.* something [15:00] Don't think it was 3.4.* [15:00] Quite a lot of fixes and enhancements: http://nagios.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/nagios/nagioscore/trunk/Changelog?view=markup [15:02] I'm running on 10.04 at the moment, so I'm stuck with 3.2.0-4ubuntu2.2 from the repos, unless I can persuade it to use the package from 12.04? [15:02] there is a ppa, but only the nagios-agent has been updated for Precise [15:02] diplo: ppa? [15:02] For me, unless you have a specific issue with the pacakage I wouldn't upgrade [15:02] https://launchpad.net/~nagiosinc/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise [15:03] Natty was 3.2.3 still on it's build [15:03] Peeps in here, would you recomend: gpa or seahorse? [15:03] for what? [15:03] diplo: Thanks :) [15:03] Getting started in gpg [15:03] I've been using 3.2.3 for 2 years with no particular issues Twinkletoes [15:03] seahorse, given we ship it [15:03] I want to sign my emails and only just reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto [15:03] ahh [15:04] i use thunderbird and some plugin [15:04] And it seems they haven't made lot's of additions, just approvements [15:04] I have thunderbird and the gpg plugin. But I need to set up keys :) [15:05] ah yeah, use seahorse [15:05] Ta [15:06] keep a safe and secure copy of the revocation certificate! [15:07] EVGA GTX 680 Classified comes with water blocks at stock :o [15:07] * Azelphur wants [15:07] Laney: I'll print it out ;) [15:07] imagine typing one of those things in :( [15:08] We used to type in programs from MicroUser et al [15:10] bigcalm: +1 for using seahorse [15:10] * bigcalm goes for a shower while the keys are generated :S [15:10] Azelphur, there have been gpus with manufacturer waterblocks for years [15:10] true, but this is a GTX 680 and it has quad screen support \o/ [15:10] what is a waterblock? [15:11] popey, for water cooling [15:11] popey, it's a specially shaped copper (usually) block which clamps to the graphics card instead of heatsink/fan, and the internal water channels are optimized for coolant flow [15:11] cunning [15:12] silver would be better ;) [15:12] I have a nickel one :o [15:13] e.g. http://photos.dangerden.com/GPU-Blocks/GTX680/i-cVJ59FH/0/L/IMGP1559-L.jpg [15:13] AlanBell, the main thing is to pick a metal which suffers from minimal corrosion, and maximum heat transfer. and to never mix metals in the same system [15:13] AlanBell, e.g. stray copper and aluminium in the same water system will fur up overnight [15:14] golly [15:14] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120613_161238.jpg here's my CPU water block, just took this photo :D [15:15] http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=91402&stc=1&d=1230125543 is a cpu block where someone mixed alu and copper [15:15] clearly need to get that finger print off it :P [15:16] directhex: my loop is growing that crap too :( [15:16] Azelphur, what are all the devices in your loop made from? sounds like you've got a mix [15:16] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120606_204531.jpg here's mine xD [15:17] directhex: EK Supreme HF Nickel, and a Black Ice GTX 480 but not sure what it's made of [15:18] the cpu block is plated copper [15:18] ah [15:19] the rad is copper [15:20] everything is copper then? [15:20] nickel shouldn't be reactive [15:20] yet still growing life forms :( [15:20] what water are you using? [15:20] distilled water with biocide [15:20] reservoir? [15:21] XSPC DDC Bay - Acrylic Dual 5.25 Reservoir [15:21] hm [15:22] sounds like you're doing all the right things, tbh [15:22] yay [15:22] I figured perhaps that stuff was algea so I poured a bunch more biocide into the loop recently [15:22] is there anything that might clear it from the system? [15:23] not sure. i never had the guts to actually deploy a water system. just researched it a lot [15:23] ended up with low noise air instead [15:23] hehe, it's been a fun adventure [15:24] will be cool once it's done, as I should never really have to touch it after that [15:24] cool! [15:27] Azelphur: look like limes scale you should be able to treat it with scale remover the only way I know to keep it removed currently is with some strong magnets attached to the pipework but I guess that isn't the answer you are looking for [15:27] sure, I can do a strong magnet somewhere in the loop [15:28] how does that work, collect it so you can remove it? [15:28] heh, so when it blocks you know where the blockage is [15:29] strong magnets in a pc? foolproof! [15:29] Azelphur: Nope it is done on household pipe work and just means the limescale doesn't bond to itself [15:29] directhex: that was kinda my point :) [15:30] oh cool [15:30] would that remove the existing limescale too? [15:30] I could put a huge magnet on the radiator, that wouldn't be an issue at all [15:31] or perhaps on the res, although that might be a bit close to the HDDs for my liking :P [15:31] \o/ ssd [15:32] got one of them too, I have 5 HDDs total [15:32] Azelphur: it will but it takes a while, It's fun watching ours reduce the limescale on our kettle, the kettle is slowly getting silver-erererer [15:32] nice [15:33] davmor2 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120606_225647.jpg is my setup [15:33] so I could just place a magnet on the top of the radiator [15:33] :( installing lubuntu-desktop doesn't give me the same experience as installing just lubuntu. any suggestions? very glitchy desktop session otherwise [15:34] half-done setup anyway [15:35] Azelphur: what are you doing with that box that it requires that? [15:35] nothing really, I'd probably get along just fine with high performance air cooling [15:35] but, it looks cool and is fun [15:37] davmor2 plus I can overclock to ridiculous levels, having a faster computer is always useful [15:40] * AlanBell decideds to strap some water cooling to a raspberry pi [15:40] or just dunk it in a bucket [15:40] booted up my beaglebone last night [15:40] shame it doesnt have hdmi [15:41] * Azelphur has to wander for dinner anyway :p [15:41] AlanBell: look up submersive oil cooling, I was so very tempted. [15:42] Azelphur: cooking oil? :P [15:46] i just tested DPI handling in kde, gnome 3, gnome 3 fallback, and MATE [15:46] and of course MATE is the only one that works properly [15:47] KDE tries but just ends up looking like a mess due to allowing developers to switch between pixel and point sizes at will, so you get dialogs where half the writing is tiny and half is huge [15:48] did you take screenshots ali1234 [15:48] anything based on gtk3 completely overrides display DPI and forces it to be 95 [15:48] oimon: yes, i did [15:48] gonna write a blog post? [15:48] maybe [15:49] i'm tempted to trash my work PC and use lubuntu full time [15:49] shame i can't seem to get it to co-exist on my ubuntu setup [15:49] basically the conclusion i have drawn is that if you want a properly working desktop, you should use MATE [15:50] specifically the problem with all the others is they've been taken over by UI designers who think anything they don't understand is superfluous [15:50] Bug Linking Part 2 - http://blog.launchpad.net/general/bug-linking-part-2 [15:50] did you try lxde? [15:50] no [15:50] please do be reading that :) [15:50] i didn't try xfce either [15:50] how do you change DPI? [15:50] buying a new screen [15:51] increasing resolution on current screen dimensions? [15:51] in xorg.conf you put option "useediddpi" "false" [15:51] option "dpi" "204 x 204" [15:53] lxde is flippin fast [15:58] linus torvalds won the millenium tech prize [15:59] joint winner meh [16:00] Would it not have been meh if he won it all to himself? [16:00] dunno [16:00] linux is about sharing i guess === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [16:08] That should be gpg sorted out now then [16:10] with powerline networking why does the electricity meter block the signal and prevent it leaking to next door? [16:10] It doesn't [16:10] I mean on a technical basis, apparently it does do this, I can't see how [16:10] But next door will be on a different phase [16:10] General rule of thumb is every 3rd house in the street will be on the same phase [16:11] What will mess it up are UPS and surge protectors (I think) [16:11] AlanBell: it doesnt [16:12] bigcalm: have you uploaded your key? [16:12] popey: Good point, maybe not :) [16:12] http://www.faculty-x.net/homeplug-blog/?p=4 bad FAQ then [16:13] * bigcalm does so [16:14] AlanBell: they all come with encryption these days [16:16] popey: done [16:17] Feel free to sign my public key ;) [16:17] nope [16:17] Not working? [16:17] no, I'm not signing some random key [16:17] how do I know it's yours? [16:17] Good lad [16:17] oimon: i posted screenshot: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts [16:18] +s [16:20] ali1234, tried today's bastion build? should have joypads [16:20] i dunno, is it on software centre? [16:20] if it isn't, then i haven't [16:24] popey: have you been able to decrypt the email yet? [16:24] yeah, i did ages ago [16:24] Oh, good [16:24] just wanted to reply but couldn't cos your key wasnt public [16:25] It is now [16:28] How frequently does the ubuntu keyserver update? [16:29] AlanBell: lot of folks use google docs to draw up wireframes [16:29] or is it google draw [16:29] hmm one of em [16:30] In a weird way, I like getting stuck in Limbo. Not once yet looked at a walk through and slowly making progress :D [16:30] Any other games like Limbo peeps can recommend? === cking_ is now known as cking [16:32] czajkowski: interesting, I have never used that, though I use the other bits of google docs [16:32] doesn't seem particularly well adapted to GUI design [16:33] saw some folks use it for mock up recently [16:33] ali1234, doesn't look like it, although USC version numbers are different to upstream [16:33] looked very poished [16:33] *polished [16:33] AlanBell: they culd create their images and save them for future so just reuse them [16:34] ah, so not using the built in shapes [16:34] * bigcalm pokes keyserver [16:36] bigcalm: how long ago ? [16:36] AlanBell: well yes in some cases, but in others, creaating the image you're going to reuse over and over to save you have to create it [16:36] czajkowski: more than 15 mins ago [16:37] czajkowski: One of my keys is up there [16:37] bigcalm: limbo is a very nice little game, i like it [16:37] Oh, both are now :) [16:37] bigcalm: patience so :) can take a while to updated [16:37] czajkowski: yeah, I still like pencil but I can see the co-editing in google docs is quite handy [16:37] AlanBell: not seen anyone co-edit, though the possibility is there [16:37] co-editing in pencil would be even better [16:37] * bigcalm scratches his head [16:38] I only get my cuth.eu key in a search result on my name. But if I search by the key hex id, I can see my idophp.co.uk key [16:39] Maybe it caches searches [16:39] Just capitalised my names and it now shows both keys :) [16:42] Hazar! Just got key into launchpad [16:47] Bah, gmail on android doesn't do gpg [16:47] Do iOS devices? [16:49] dunno, not tried [16:50] bigcalm: have a look at firegpg plugin for firfox and see if it is available on android and use FF to access your gmail and use the FF firegpg plugin [16:50] bigcalm: the other thing to look for is pgp rather than gpg [16:50] http://niederfamily.blogspot.be/2012/06/silencing-of-maya.html one of the most sadest blog posts I've read in a long time :( [16:50] Indeed. I used pgp a _long_ time ago [16:52] ACK! [16:52] I haven't got my laptop ready for tomorrow [16:52] bigcalm: print off your key and bring you driving license tomorrow and I'll sign your key :) [16:52] Really don't want to do it after midnight tonight [16:52] davmor2: hehe, sure. I read that bit and thought about doing so :P === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:54] bigcalm: there is a nice gpg signing party script some where out there that gives you an nice a4 page of important info for you to hand out [16:55] One of the best guitar intros ever: The Smiths - How Soon Is Now? [17:17] bigcalm: Guns 'n' Roses Paradise city, AC/DC Thunderstruck, Led Zeplin "Stairway to heaven", guns 'n' roses knockin' on heavens door, Jimi Hendrix Voodoo Child or All along the watch tower I could go on but don't have time :P === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [17:18] ali1234, 2012-06-12 build works for me, joypadwise. with my 360 pad. === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [18:06] how do i report a bug when i have a crash dump and exact steps to reproduce? [18:06] when i try to use ubuntu-bug it just files a whoopsie report and does not ask me for any details [18:46] is there a flash update that has stopped bbc iplayer working on ubuntu? [18:47] no, it works fine here [18:48] it's now saying i need to install flash player [18:48] i was using it on sunday [18:52] why doesn't it work!!!! [18:56] restart chrome [18:57] or $browser [19:01] i have [19:01] firefox [19:04] i've installed the lastest package from the adobe website [19:04] but i don't understand why the ordinary one was not working === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [19:12] ging: are you breaking things :) [20:15] popey: I know you;ve mentioned not being able to see private bugs before but still knowing they are there. you may want to me too this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/764414 [20:15] Ubuntu bug 764414 in apport (Ubuntu) "private master bugs are confusing and lead to more duplicate filings" [Wishlist,Triaged] [20:15] czajkowski: I'm now on bugsquad so I can see private bugs now :D [20:16] I have me-too'ed it though ☺ === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [20:19] coolio [20:19] why is psychonauts on software centre for free? [20:24] its not here [20:24] its 9.99 usd [20:24] for me it appears twice when i search [20:25] one for free and one for 9.99, and with different descriptions [20:25] and which ever one i click they are both listed as "free" [20:25] ahh [20:25] i havent clicked the button on the special page yet [20:25] so I only see the paid one [20:25] i clicked it last night and left it installing, but this morning it wasn't installed and software centre was gone [20:26] has anyone tried lone survivor yet? [20:27] can't get it to work at all, it's a flash projector - that means an ancient version of flash player wrapped into an exe file [20:27] it spits out a load of errors about menuproxy and then dies [20:28] btw, none of the other games appear twice in software centre. they only appear as the pay versions [20:28] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments 0.2 Released - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/13/ubuntu-accomplishments-0-2-released/ [20:40] right [20:40] listen here [20:40] what can I do to see which bit of firefox is eating my cpu? [20:40] * popey tickles chrisccoulson for an answer [20:40] which bit? [20:41] it's always the same bit: flash plugin [20:41] the rest of ff only likes to eat ram [20:41] heh [20:41] yeah, i am watching a video on youtube and its stuttering [20:41] on a 2.8GHz CPU [20:41] lol [20:41] yeah, flashplugin is always the first thing i kill [20:41] well that's a bad start [20:42] for memory use, about:memory comes in handy ;) [20:42] memory i am less bothered by [20:43] its that my cpu is being eaten alive [20:43] ~60% by firefox [20:43] be nice if it had a tab cpu monitor like chrome [20:43] may be time to switch back to chrome again [20:43] there's a fun bug in pulseaudio where buffer underruns make it max the CPU (probably polling for next buffer) [20:43] the extra CPU load more or less guarantees the next buffer will be late too [20:44] so once you've dropped a buffer it goes into a vicious cycle of stuttering [20:44] until you pause [20:44] popey, does the CPU drop if you pause the video in youtube? [20:44] that doesn't work in any application that generates an audio stream on the fly, such as any game [20:44] no chrisccoulson [20:45] i have lots of other tabs open too [20:45] i want to know which ones are eating it [20:45] about 40 tabs [20:45] close tabs until it stops [20:45] popey, there's not really an easy way short of closing each one in turn to see if it goes away [20:45] yeah ;) [20:45] however my guess is it will go down by about 2% for each tab [20:45] heh [20:45] who has >4 tabs? [20:46] it's quite easy for a site to gobble CPU ;) [20:46] disable javascript! [20:46] disable images too [20:46] and plugins [20:46] use lynx? [20:46] images aren't likely to use CPU [20:46] actually strip all html tags is the best solution [20:47] 48% [20:47] chrisccoulson: unless they're animated gifs [20:47] 44% system monitor [20:47] well, there is that i guess [20:47] get a better cpu ;) [20:47] yes [20:48] 9160 alan 20 0 3944m 2.3g 22m S 33 30.3 1516:58 firefox [20:48] 2.3g of ram?! [20:48] what did i say before about 3ghz quad core being the minimum requirement for a real computer? [20:48] 2.3g is low for firefox [20:48] 19341 martijn 20 0 913m 338m 43m S 0 4.3 124:08.80 chrome [20:48] and that's the largest one [20:48] i now have 27 tabs open [20:48] chrome makes loads of processes [20:48] 2.3g is definitely not low for firefox. that is abnormally large [20:49] you probably have another 7 like that using just as much memory [20:49] chrisccoulson: not for firefox. [20:49] been running for a while [20:49] i never see it above 600MB here and i keep > 30 tabs open [20:49] MartijnVdS, that is highly abnormal [20:49] if it's running like that, then you have a serious problem. i can assure you, it isn't normal ;) [20:49] chrisccoulson: exactly [20:49] chrisccoulson: how much ram do you hav total? [20:49] chrisccoulson: firefox eats 4GB usually [20:49] chrisccoulson: so 2.3G is low [20:49] ali1234, 8gb [20:50] not sure how to read about:memory [20:50] MartijnVdS, sorry, but firefox does not eat 4gb usually. if it does for you, then there is something seriously wrong with something on your setup, or with a site you're visiting [20:51] popey, you can copy/paste it somewhere ;) [20:51] firefox has that fun switch statement that makes it waste systemram - 0.5gb or whatever [20:51] I agree, I'm running Firefox right now on a 2003 vintage laptop with 768mb ram on lubuntu [20:51] chrisccoulson: Chrome stays around 1G, so I'll just use that [20:51] ali1234, huh? [20:51] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1039698/ [20:51] i kid you not. there's a switch statement that decides ow much ram it allocates on startup [20:51] ali1234, no there isn't [20:52] if there isn't, it's been removed in the past year [20:52] popey, google+ !!!! [20:52] that doesn't surprise me at all [20:53] in fact, the majority of it is google sites ;) [20:53] So? [20:53] Google sites don't eat as much ram in chrome [20:54] ├────443.46 MB (19.04%) ── heap-unclassified [20:54] what's that? [20:54] 625.98 MB ── heap-unallocated [20:54] it could easily let go of that [20:54] the thing i like about chrome is i can close it, reopen it and it re-loads all the tabs I had open [20:54] popey: it does? [20:54] firefox only remembers pinned tabs [20:54] it can [20:55] optionally [20:55] not here it doesn't [20:55] popey: any browser does that [20:55] firefox remembers all my tabs here [20:55] gord: only if you kill -9 it [20:55] firefox remembers all my tabs here, even though i have disabled that option [20:55] google chrome, chromium, ff all do it [20:55] nope [20:55] not true [20:55] nope it does it constantly MartijnVdS [20:55] i have that pastebin open [20:55] * popey closes firefox [20:55] popey: I use all three every day ;) [20:55] firefox *always* exits in a crash even if i do file->quit, which is why. every second time i start it, i get the "oops" display [20:55] dogmatic69: that doesnt make it work [20:56] ali1234: I get that with spotify [20:56] MartijnVdS, heap-unclassified is memory used by objects that don't have a dedicated reporter [20:56] joy, can't open firefox because it's still running, yet closed [20:56] right, finally reopened [20:56] and no, it can't get rid of heap-unallocated, else it would have done already [20:56] and the pastebin is _not_ opened [20:56] chrisccoulson: so, bug in firefox? [20:56] no [20:56] could it not just be a setting somewhere popey? [20:56] could be, which one? ☺ [20:57] no idea, i haven't touched my settings in a long time and use the sync thing to keep all my machines the same [20:57] aha! [20:57] MartijnVdS, heap-unallocated is a result of heap fragmentation, which is quite normal [20:57] "What firefox starts: " was set to "show home page" [20:57] changed it to "show my windows and tabs from last time" [20:57] ta [20:57] thats why i never used to close it [20:58] firefox finally got the same new tab page thingy that chrome has recently. not sure i need to see 9 different reddit pages on my new tab thing [20:58] now lets see what flash video is like [20:58] Chrome has a "Goats teleported" metric in its process manager [20:58] Wut. [20:58] 12299 alan 20 0 1908m 832m 45m S 19 10.6 0:50.69 firefox [20:58] no stuttering \o/ [21:00] http://www.goat-trauma.org/ [21:01] popey: http://i.imgur.com/MHIMk.png [21:01] popey, i avoid memory issues by not keeping any google sites open btw ;) [21:02] although that probably doesn't work for everyone [21:02] ☺ [21:03] the options are not default iirc [21:03] popey, i sat down with slangasek at the last platform sprint because he was having a problem with frequent disk wakeups with firefox [21:03] and it turned out to be google plus frequently using a specific web API which causes a disk write [21:04] but running it in chrome didn't use the same API [21:04] go figure ;) [21:04] Hi, does anyone know the name, I forget, of a little server machine that goes fits on back of monitor? [21:04] revo? [21:04] maybe, let me check [21:05] they had a couple versions of it. [21:05] hrmm, don't think so [21:05] what colour was it? [21:06] or any other factors that give it away ☺ [21:06] there was the zotac machine [21:06] the Acer Aspire Revo 3600 / 3660 / 3700 has a screen mount [21:06] it was a small box , black, or silver? fit on back of monitor, if memory serves. Ran ubuntu or linux [21:06] Viglen MPC-L? [21:06] YES! [21:06] thx! [21:07] yeah you're better of getting a raspberry i === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [21:07] unless you really need VGA that is [21:07] ali1234: rasberry i? is that the new version :P [21:08] yeah, i wouldn't get a viglen mpc-l [21:08] well, i have two of them in a drawer, unused for about a yeare [21:08] no? no good? [21:08] slow [21:08] whats the use case? [21:08] I'm looking for a desktop again :( [21:08] o.o [21:09] livingdaylite: that is not a desktop replacement [21:09] I got a new hd , third in a row, but I see that it is not the hd but the machine somehow breaking them... Installed ubuntu yesterday and quickly experiencing the same issues of freeze [21:09] i don't think it cen even run ubuntu any more [21:09] correct [21:09] you have to use lucid on it [21:09] dogmatic69: fair enough... I was hoping [21:10] revo is fine [21:10] also they are quite flaky due to overheating [21:10] livingdaylite: you could get a full pc (all be it crappy) for like 100 bucks [21:10] with GB's of ram, not MB's [21:11] hmm software centre disappeared again [21:11] I don't enjoy shopping for pc's especially when having been out of it for so long. Things change and move along [21:11] I did find this which looked promising. They come without os, so that's good. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Altera-Computers-Ltd/_i.html?_fsub=3898032018 [21:12] livingdaylite: my desktop pc is a zoostorm cheapy thing from ebuyer [21:14] http://ubuntuone.com/0sUDG3xdEMsmbTjFK4Mazq [21:14] does amd still make processors? [21:14] what do? [21:15] livingdaylite: seriously? [21:15] yes, they still make processors [21:16] ali1234: seriously, haven't heard much about amd's anymore.... I'm sort of up to speed with the new intel i3, i5, i7 processors (barely) [21:16] does this look good? http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Altera-Computers-Ltd/_i.html?_fsub=3898032018 [21:16] which one? [21:17] none of them have enough RAM for the price [21:17] you want at least 8GB [21:17] join #codeigniter [21:17] that one comes with 4gb [21:17] ali1234: can you show me something better for the same money? [£200 - £300] [21:19] http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006ZINQE8/ref=asc_df_B006ZINQE88302616?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B006ZINQE8 [21:19] also includes a hard drive, the other one doesn't [21:22] Ithe other did have a 250gb hd [21:23] http://www.ebuyer.com/362648-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1058 [21:23] 228 quid, 8gb ram, 750gb hdd, looks good [21:24] wow, that does... [21:24] looks like zoostorms are popular here [21:24] they're cheap [21:24] good value [21:24] yes [21:24] i am resting my feet on one now ☺ [21:24] hehe [21:24] loud? [21:24] nope [21:24] really!? [21:25] the one i have isnt [21:25] mine is an i7 [21:25] has no case fan, just one on the cpu [21:25] other models may vary [21:25] if you want it to be not loud and also good you will have to spend lots of money [21:25] case same on yours? difference is only processor? [21:25] but it depends how you define "loud" [21:25] the cases all look similar [21:26] yeah, i have a server 6 inches from my ear [21:26] so i dont hear the desktop under my feet really [21:26] maybe 18 inches from my ear [21:26] ali1234: sure. beggers can't be choosers. I dream of getting a water cooling system one day... almost completely quiet [21:27] random windows question: is it possible to get rid of windows ribbon and get the old menus back, in arbitrary applications? [21:27] popey: got link to your machine? [21:27] just curious [21:29] Zoostorm Advanced Media PC, Core i7-2600 3.4GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, DVDRW, Windows 7 Professional [21:29] http://www.ebuyer.com/product/271629 [21:29] 8156 root 25 5 101m 7472 3788 R 99 0.0 7:19.56 https [21:29] thx [21:29] they dont do that specific model anymore [21:29] whaaaaat? ^ [21:29] £491.40 [21:30] ali1234: apt [21:30] ? [21:30] why is my computer running https using 100% cpu? [21:30] connecting to private ppa [21:30] what is intel equivalent of amd A6 processor? is it like the i3/i5/i7 series? [21:30] no idea, i have no knowledge of AMD models [21:30] there are no equivalents [21:31] in a sense, all AMD processors are equivalent to i7, because i3/i5 is just i7 with features disabled [21:31] however, all AMD processors are slower than i7s [21:31] and also about 4x cheaper [21:32] oh, and no hyperthreading either [21:32] though bulldozer sort of has it... basically you can't compare them at all [21:32] you like AMD's? [21:32] yes [21:33] pound for pound they have about the same performance as intel, but the motherboards are about half the price [21:33] hyperthreading can be a problem though if the scheduler doesn't account for the difference in speed of a real core and a hyperthreaded core [21:33] by equivalent I mean. Well, i thought they used to compete and run paralel ''equivalent'' processors... [21:33] yeah not any more [21:33] these days they use incompatible extensions [21:33] remember mmx? [21:33] i see [21:33] mmx, no [21:34] mmx circa 1995 :-o [21:35] ali1234, there's no way to arbitrarily unribbon. there may be third party paid apps to mangle it, but YMMV [21:35] AMD A6 3500 Triple Core 2.1GHz vs Intel Core i3-2120 [21:36] directhex: i see. thanks [21:36] £228 vs £309 [21:36] the A6 is their so-called APU range, right? in which case pound-for-pound the graphics will be better in the APU than the intel [21:36] maybe, but who uses integrated graphics seriously? [21:37] true [21:38] you can crossfire an APU with a real GPU [21:38] that's pretty cool [21:38] I like my bulldozer 8-way unit even though it's an odd design [21:39] what's an 'APU' (aside from the aeronautical sense) [21:39] http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/dual-graphics/pages/dual-graphics.aspx#3 [21:39] mgdm, amd's current name for on-cpu gpu [21:39] in this context, a CPU+GPU on one die [21:39] aaaah [21:39] accelerated processing unit - effectively it's a cpu+gpu [21:40] in smartphone context it means application processor - kind of a locked down co-processor where the user OS runs, and isn't allowed to touch any radio hardware without going through the real CPU [21:40] (this is also how raspberry pi works) [21:44] popey: this was a review on the AMD zoostorm you linked me: http://pastebin.com/PtM0kLa2 [21:46] psychonauts finally installed. no icon for it in the menus though. [21:48] why apport why? http://ubuntuone.com/3mpP4Cpld1AA6f9aDv9mnZ [22:12] ali1234: http://bit.ly/Nh24A3 bulldozer processor [22:12] it only has 4GB [22:14] only? but price is pretty good... overall [22:14] I have a few gb on my current pc I can carry over [22:14] you are better off getting 8GB and dual core [22:15] ram more important than processor? [22:15] yes [22:15] I want more "gigs" [22:15] oh?! [22:15] gigglebytes! [22:15] \o/ [22:15] * diddledan giggles like a girly [22:15] I thought 4gb more than enough [22:15] i can set my computer to powersave mode (800mhz) and it barely make any difference [22:15] 4GB however was unusably slow [22:16] so i upgraded to 16 [22:16] but, like I say I have ram to carry over and make up the difference [22:16] yeah, I want 16.. I'm on 8 atm in here and 6 in my old black macbook [22:17] but, amd fx processors good [22:17] *quad core [22:17] I like mine, but I don't really know enough to dislike it - it works, that's about as advanced as I get [22:18] phenom 2 is supposed to be almost as good [22:18] unless you need integrated graphics [22:18] mine's an octo-core :-D [22:18] yeah you won't get a 8 core cpu for under £200 [22:19] although each pair is crippled into only having one FPU to share [22:19] just for the cpu, not including everything else [22:19] indeed [22:20] i might get e X6 [22:23] AlanBell: when openmary says "thank you" it sounds a lot like something else [22:24] I could add a button for that [22:27] needs a js speech synth really [22:28] run festival through emscripten? :P [22:28] http://www.p01.org/releases/JS1K_Speech_Synthesizer/JS1K_Speech_Synthesizer.htm [22:29] makes a better drum machine than speech synthesizer [22:34] Drum mashine might me optimistic... [22:34] s/me/be/ [22:40] decent speech synth is quite heavy [22:40] as this is a small vocabulary you could sample the lot [22:40] but then you don't get to parameterise it and change the pitch etc === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:10] they say there's gonna be a "Linux" version of this game if they get enough funding [23:10] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/935411564/hexit-point-and-click-sci-fi-adventure-game === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [23:57] hi i m trying to set a path to an alias with a space in it [23:58] and using something like alias zf='/path/here web/ZendFramework-1.11.11/bin/zf.sh' [23:58] but if i run zf it says [23:59] /path/here No such file or directory