[04:42]  * tumbleweed waves from a little cove on the Pakleni Islets
[06:41] <sflr> morning y'all
[06:52] <charlvn> good morning all
[09:29] <Kilos> yo superfly and others
[09:29] <Kilos> we just got power for the fdirst time today
[09:30] <Kilos> hi deegee__ with a tail
[09:31] <deegee__> Kilos: hehe too many disconnects today
[09:31]  * drussell has to fly, have a good day all
[09:31] <Kilos> lo dLimit Banlam charlvn nuvolari inetpro 
[09:32] <Kilos> drubin, all well?
[09:33] <Kilos> yo sflr 
[09:33] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[09:33] <sflr> hey Kilos, charlvn :)
[09:34] <charlvn> hi sflr 
[09:34]  * Kilos wonders if zeref got his vlc to show vids
[09:36] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:36] <Kilos> hi there tweeter
[09:36] <Kilos> kinda cold for a bike hey?
[09:37] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what are you doing on the Pakleni Islets?
[09:37] <Kilos> tumbling of course
[09:38] <Kilos> oh for the tumbling tumbleweed 
[09:38] <Kilos> there was a song about that long long ago
[09:40] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:41] <Kilos> you gonna talk at that workshop superfly ?
[09:41] <inetpro> Kilos: hah, tumbleweed tumbling in the wind, could be a nice title for a song
[09:41] <Kilos> inetpro, there is a song like that
[09:42] <superfly> Kilos: No, I'm not good at presentations
[09:42] <Kilos> aw superfly 
[09:42] <Kilos> maybe you can team up with sflr and make him do the talking
[09:43] <Kilos> hi Superhuman 
[09:44] <Superhuman> hey Kilos
[09:44] <Superhuman> How goes?
[09:44] <Kilos> you well Superhuman ?
[09:44] <Kilos> all fine here ty
[09:44] <Superhuman> yeah, still going stong
[09:44] <Kilos> hehe
[09:44] <Superhuman> *strong
[09:46] <Kilos> inetpro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbPPnCb3XJE
[09:47] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbling_Tumbleweeds
[09:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I believe you :-)
[09:48] <Kilos> hehe
[09:50] <sflr> which presentation Kilos? on FoSS?
[09:50] <Kilos> yes sflr its in our mailing list
[09:51] <sflr> yeah, i saw that. it depends if its technical or marketing talk
[09:52] <Kilos> answer his mail and ask for more info on what he wants
[09:52] <sflr> haha, right. will do that.
[09:55] <sflr> anyone here with Edge Side Includes (ESI) experience?
[09:57] <charlvn> what? edge side includes?
[09:58] <charlvn> reading on the wikipedia...
[10:02] <charlvn> interesting, the namespacing is vague in the w3c spec
[10:02]  * inetpro also acting surprised at hearing a new buzzword
[10:03] <charlvn> it does make a lot of sense for something like this to exist
[10:04] <inetpro> very interesting indeed
[10:04] <charlvn> i'm concerned about the parsing though
[10:05] <charlvn> and the w3c document is vague
[10:05] <charlvn> http://www.w3.org/TR/esi-lang
[10:05] <charlvn> it sounds extremely inefficient to send the entire document through an xml parser just to replace some content
[10:06] <charlvn> besides, most (x)html on the web does not conform to xml requirements
[10:07] <charlvn> i suspect it is parsed once and then cached in some way
[10:23] <sflr> yeah, currently you can cache static content (images, scripts, etc) on Akamai Edge servers. The idea of ESI is to be able to cache some dynamic content as well
[10:24] <sflr> but I was thinking what real advantage ESI has compared to Ajax, where the page gets assembled on the client side.
[10:45] <Kilos> inetpro, i had to remind you about something, well im reminding you
[10:46] <Kilos> can you member what it was?
[10:46] <inetpro> Kilos: haha
[10:46] <Kilos> hehe
[10:46] <inetpro> Kilos: you can do me the honors and talk to the people
[10:47] <inetpro> :-)
[10:47] <Kilos> oh here?
[10:47] <inetpro> yep
[10:48] <Kilos> Maaz, announce monthly meeting here on monday night all of you. BE THERE
[10:48] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! monthly meeting here on monday night all of you. BE THERE
[10:48] <Kilos> um here
[10:48]  * inetpro lol
[10:49] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[10:49] <Kilos> we can also add an attempt to revive the LPI classes
[10:49] <sflr> maybe remove June 2 meeting from the title, then Monday meeting will be in front :)
[10:49] <Kilos> yw inetpro 
[10:49] <inetpro> obviously all of you are welcome to add more items to the agenda at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/436/detail/
[10:49] <sflr> whats LPI classes?
[10:50] <Kilos> linux professional institute methinks
[10:50] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual
[10:50] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[10:50] <sflr> ok. i thought Launch Pad Intro. haha
[10:51] <Kilos> hehe
[10:51] <Kilos> we started but our tutor got kinda busy
[10:51] <sflr> Looks good. I am interested. 
[10:51] <inetpro> drubin, tumbleweed, superfly: can you please edit the topic or give me op rights so we can remove the Rosebank event
[10:52] <Kilos> there is a place to register and you will be recognised world wide once you pass the exam
[10:52] <Kilos> also they give study stuff
[10:52] <Kilos> be patient i will try find it
[10:52] <inetpro> a short link for our agenda is: http://bit.ly/LYp5jY
[10:53] <Kilos> inetpro, will it change every month or can that be a permanent link?
[10:54] <inetpro> Kilos: unfortunately it will change every month
[10:54] <Kilos> aw
[10:55] <inetpro> Kilos: at least it will help to keep us active in here
[10:56] <Kilos> yeah, lets hope. too many guys are becoming lurkers
[11:01] <Kilos> aw goosie it went to wrong place in agenda
[11:01] <Kilos> should be 8. didnt know one had to tell it. stupid thing
[11:05] <sflr> LPI Certification Level 1 manual: http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[11:06] <Kilos> im looking tween other things sflr . there is a place to register too
[11:06] <sflr> what did you add Kilos? I can't see 8 in Agenda
[11:06] <Kilos> it went in on 2
[11:06] <Kilos> grrr
[11:07] <Kilos> we even have a channel for the classes
[11:07] <Kilos> #linux_studies
[11:07] <Kilos> ooo
[11:07] <sflr> oh i see. thanks. I join
[11:07] <Kilos> #linux-studies
[11:14] <sflr>  A good report on how a certification has an impact on salary: http://www.lpi.org/blog/global-knowledge-2012-it-skills-and-salary-report
[11:15] <Kilos> inetpro, can you edit agenda and move item 2 to end off queue
[11:16] <sflr> I try.lol
[11:17] <Kilos> good
[11:17] <inetpro> Kilos: done... moved to number 6
[11:17] <sflr> moved down to 6
[11:17] <sflr> see if its ok
[11:17] <Kilos> yay ty
[11:17] <sflr> did u move it? lol. i thought was me. haha
[11:17] <Kilos> not me
[11:18] <Kilos> one of the lurkers
[11:18] <inetpro> hmm.... 
[11:18] <Kilos> hehe
[11:18] <inetpro> guess we both did it
[11:18] <sflr> its cool. I updated it, but then got overwritten.
[11:18] <inetpro> :-)
[11:18] <sflr> :) no prob
[11:18] <sflr> I changed the title to capital. Revival
[11:19] <Kilos> well done
[11:19] <inetpro> Kilos: you see, he can also do it and you could as well :-)
[11:19] <Kilos> i dont see an edit button there inetpro , but refreshing all the time chews data
[11:19] <inetpro> I just put the last item as order number 99 to keep it last
[11:20] <sflr> yes Kilos. you just need to click on the title of the agenda item, then you get into the edit screen
[11:20] <Kilos> oh ty will try member that next time
[11:21] <Kilos> i thought of a few more things last night just before dozing off but they gone now
[11:21] <sflr> haha lol
[11:21] <sflr> I guess the dream was better :)
[11:22] <Kilos> hehe too cold to dream
[11:22] <Kilos> ha got it i think sflr 
[11:23] <Kilos> http://linux-studies.za.net/index.php?title=Special:RequestAccount&action=confirmemail&wpEmailToken=c5b8354f5ee228b778eb62ee95eedf37
[11:23] <sflr> that's true, too cold
[11:23] <Kilos> aw wrong one methinks
[11:23] <sflr> I think that is for your account registration
[11:24] <Kilos> http://www.lpi.org/news/lpi-announces-linux-essentials-program
[11:24] <Kilos> http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/introductory-programs/linux-essentials
[11:24] <Kilos> one of them must be it
[11:24] <Kilos> you register and they mail you a number
[11:25] <zeref> huuurrrrmmm
[11:26] <sflr> Thanks! I will sign up later. I need to prepare for a meeting now with a presentation.
[11:27] <Kilos> lo zeref fixed vlc yet?
[11:28] <zeref> mope
[11:28] <Kilos> eish 
[11:28] <zeref> using xine now
[11:29] <Kilos> purge vlc and look in home for any conf files and delete them too then install again
[11:30] <Kilos> nothing in home i see
[11:41] <Kilos> bbl guys be good
[11:48] <Kerbero> is daar dalk 'n henry botha op hierdie channel?
[12:57] <Kilos> wow something is sick, what a struggle to get on here
[13:16] <inetghost> sorry for the spam guys
[13:16] <Kilos> hi there ghost
[13:16] <Kilos> booo to you too
[13:17]  * inetpro was just cycling through my nicks to make sure I still keep ownership
[13:17] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[13:17] <inetpro> guess I should have done it while not connected to a channel
[13:18] <Kilos> not a prob old man , we all know you arent a spammer
[13:18] <Kilos> by choice anyway
[13:20] <Kilos> i blew your agenda again because i dont read properly
[13:35] <Kilos> eish
[13:37] <Kilos> fixed i hope
[13:51] <charlvn> inetpro: i see your troll and i hereby award with you: http://i.imgur.com/T80zN.png
[13:53] <inetpro> E I S H !!
[14:03] <sflr> yeah, there will be a database cleanup over the weekend
[14:03] <sflr> KaBoom! All nicks unused for 150 days or more will be dropped from the database.
[14:09] <bakuman> O_o
[14:13] <charlvn> nice that is a good thing
[14:13] <charlvn> but why have so many nicks.... feels a bit like domain squatting
[14:15] <sflr> you can have different and group them together. mostly used when you get disconnected and reconnected, then you can use a _ nick. I also have an _away nick
[14:16] <sflr> its meant to be used within reason, not to bring split personalities online :)
[14:17] <charlvn> sflr: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html :)
[14:25] <sflr> haha, yeah it used to be bad!
[14:26] <charlvn> imho still is :)
[14:26] <sflr> I prefer using _away, at least people know not to expect a reply any time soon
[14:27] <sflr> haha, hope you not referring to inetpro's list above ;)
[14:28] <inetpro> heh!
[14:29] <charlvn> no i meant using _away in nicks etc
[14:30] <sflr> okay. guess it is a habit then :)
[14:58] <Banlam> one of those days when there's just not enough time
[15:52] <inetpro> Banlam: welcome to my everyday world
[15:52] <Banlam> that makes me sad
[16:32] <sflr> ahoy locos!
[16:45] <charlvn> yeah since when this not having enough time anything new in ict
[17:02] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:09] <charlvn> hi magespawn 
[17:12] <magespawn> Hey charlvn
[17:12] <inetpro> charlvn: hmm... I thought you had lotsa time
[17:14] <sflr> hi magespawn 
[17:17] <charlvn> inetpro: i always think that, until it gets sucked away with random things..
[17:22] <magespawn> Hi sflr
[17:22] <Kilos> evening all
[17:22] <Kilos> come on summer come on
[17:23] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[17:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn , GC sick?
[17:24] <Kilos> hi there cocooncrash all good there?
[17:24] <Kilos> hi drubin you ok?
[17:24] <magespawn> Was doing some update and sql installs and did not put the bot back up
[17:24] <Kilos> oh my
[17:25] <Kilos> did you forget or is it apartheid
[17:25] <Kilos> yo superfly 
[17:25] <magespawn> Nah just forgot, need to automate the bot so it starts on boot
[17:26] <magespawn> Brb
[17:26] <Kilos> lol that will be a good plan
[17:29] <Kilos> yo sakhi 
[17:29] <Kilos> Squirm[A], why so quiet?
[17:37] <Kilos> yo smile 
[17:38] <smile> hi Kilos 
[17:38] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[17:42] <magespawn> Back
[17:46] <Kilos> wb
[17:47] <Kilos> no one saying anything tonight
[17:49] <sflr> hey Kilos! :) I'm here, just working o_O
[17:49] <Kilos> lol enjoy sflr 
[17:52] <sflr> Kilos, did you read Michael's reply regarding the workshop? 
[17:52] <Kilos> yeah
[17:52] <sflr> need to present to academic staff and post grads
[17:52] <Kilos> is that your level 
[17:53] <sflr> not my cup of coffee. i like hacking things together.
[17:53] <Kilos> you can say anything as long as you promote ubuntu as well
[17:53] <sflr> they like theory and more theory
[17:53] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[17:53] <smile-busy> Kilos: ping :p
[17:53] <Kilos> there are gonna be students too
[17:54] <Kilos> inetpro, i need some clarification please
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: clarification?
[17:54] <Kilos> kinda mixed up with what install fests are etc
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, we haven't had that in many years
[17:55] <Kilos> release parties too
[17:55] <sflr> yes, I would rather do some UH at the university
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: no, release parties we have had plenty
[17:55] <Kilos> wasnt the plan to have release parties when cds arrived
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: the cds are always late
[17:56] <Kilos> sflr, you must get together with maia when she does her next UH
[17:57] <Kilos> yes inetpro but the aim is to advertise and spread ubuntu isnt it?
[17:57] <Kilos> so what is the party waits for cds to arrive
[17:59] <Kilos> sflr, do you know all the sudo apt-get update and upgrade thigs
[17:59] <Kilos> things
[18:00] <sflr> I do use it Kilos 
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: things change
[18:01] <Kilos> good
[18:01] <sflr> ok, I will chat to her then
[18:01] <inetpro> these days most peeps just download the released version themselves
[18:01] <sflr> party? I like parties ;)
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Kilos> you not so old hey, you like inetpro 's age
[18:02] <sflr> Yes, I also prefer downloading
[18:02] <sflr> young in spirit. haha
[18:02] <sflr> here is an ubuntu/linux question: is it possible to do Adobe Flash development on Ubuntu? I need to recompile some source code into swf
[18:03] <Kilos> ask maaz
[18:03] <Kilos> Maaz, google ubuntu flash developement on ubuntu
[18:03] <Maaz> Kilos: "actionscript - Flash development under Ubuntu - Programmers" http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/85302/flash-development-under-ubuntu :: "Flash development - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1285056 :: "RestrictedFormats/Flash - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash :: "Linux Today - Flash development in Ubuntu 10.04 with Eclipse and ..." http://ww
[18:04] <Kilos> sflr, ^^
[18:04] <sflr> haha, thanks. Kilos + Maaz = Genius!!
[18:04] <Kilos> hehe yw
[18:05] <Kilos> one only uses adobe if you got wine i think
[18:05] <magespawn> Can use adobe air I think
[18:07] <magespawn> Brb have to switch
[18:10] <sflr> Found something useful Open@AdobeProjects http://sourceforge.net/adobe/wiki/Projects/
[18:10] <sflr> FlexSDK
[18:11] <inetpro> sflr: forget about flash
[18:11] <inetpro> just do it in HTML5
[18:12] <magespawn> howdy back again
[18:13] <inetpro> sflr: have you seen this? http://browserquest.mozilla.org/
[18:14] <inetpro> a massively multiplayer adventure game using just HTML5
[18:14] <inetpro> afaiaa
[18:14] <inetpro> ahh... "all done in glorious HTML5 and JavaScript"
[18:15] <inetpro> see also: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/03/browserquest/
[18:16] <Kilos> inetpro, you can tweet corrie and try convince him to come to the meeting. he cant be so busy he cant visit once in 6 months
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: send him an email
[18:17] <Kilos> haha he always says he is so busy
[18:17] <Kilos> maybe he should take my mail addy
[18:17] <Kilos> i will mail him anyway
[18:18] <Kilos> aw ive lost his addy
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: I think it's corrie206@gmail.com
[18:20] <Kilos> ty
[18:20] <sflr> thanks inetpro! its good stuff, I just need to recompile Flash source into swf :)
[18:20]  * inetpro hates flash with a passion
[18:22] <sflr> tell me about it. lol. somebody was so brilliant to create a facebook app in Flash! haha #fail
[18:22] <sflr> Kilos are you on Twitter?
[18:23] <Kilos> sflr, on and off. data restricts me somewhat
[18:23] <Kilos> sharpeys
[18:23] <Kilos> corrie206 mail4ed
[18:24] <Kilos> mailed as well
[18:24] <sflr> that's right. we were talking last night with inetpro to get ubuntu-za a Twitter account, and you to manage it. He mentioned you might need a data sponsorship with the title
[18:25] <Kilos> ha ha ha he is so white at times
[18:26] <sflr> I find Twitter good channel to get the word out quick
[18:27] <Kilos> yeah twitter and facebook 
[18:27] <Kilos> everything is there nowadays
[18:27] <sflr> yeah, i got bored of FB few years ago already. haha
[18:27] <Kilos> but fb is a major data hog
[18:28] <Kilos> sflr, do you use other im goodies too
[18:28] <sflr> Tweetdeck for Chrome is pretty slick. HTML5
[18:29] <Kilos> i mean do you chat on them
[18:29] <sflr> I use Gtalk, Skype, Google Hangouts. mostly for work
[18:29] <Kilos> i have twitter in my pidgin but only look there now and again
[18:30] <Kilos> do you use pidgin?
[18:30] <sflr> what's your twitter handle?
[18:30] <Kilos> can do all of them in one place
[18:30] <Kilos> sharpeys
[18:30] <sflr> no, i dont use pidgin. used it before though.
[18:31] <sflr> found you :)
[18:31] <sflr> I think mxit is also on pidgin
[18:32] <Kilos> i use mxit and xmpp on pidgin for family
[18:32] <smile-busy> bye :)
[18:32] <Kilos> toods smile
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:33] <sflr> cool! havent used mxit in long time
[18:33] <smile-busy> Kilos: daag! :)
[18:33] <smile-busy> knuffel :)
[18:33] <smile-busy> = hug ;)
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <Kilos> funny guy
[18:34] <Kilos> wb sflr 
[18:35] <sflr_> timeout. lol
[18:35] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <Kilos> aw i lost twitter on my pidgin
[18:36]  * Kilos cries
[18:36] <sflr_> what do you mean you lost it?!
[18:37] <Kilos> my drive got some bad sectors in the mbr last week and i had to start from scratch
[18:38] <sflr> oh krap
[18:38] <charlvn> happens
[18:38] <Kilos> been trying to find a way to move the mbr but i dont think you can
[18:38] <charlvn> very irritating
[18:39] <charlvn> move the mbr?
[18:39] <charlvn> in principle you should be able to reinstall the grub boot loader into the mbr
[18:39] <charlvn> i have tried to do it once or twice but that was on an efi boot loader system and i couldn't get it to work
[18:40] <charlvn> but it's probably because i didn't spend enough time figuring it out
[18:40] <Kilos> the mbr is the first 512k on the drive, i was hoping i could move it a bit
[18:40] <charlvn> yeah i know but i don't think you can really "move" it
[18:40] <Kilos> to like from 513k to 1024k
[18:41] <charlvn> actually i'm not sure... if you have bad sectors, in principle it should be possible, but i never tried it
[18:41] <charlvn> that's a tricky one
[18:41] <Kilos> yeah moving the boot sector isnt a prob , but the mbr is serious
[18:42] <charlvn> hmmm
[18:44] <charlvn> yeah if you have other sectors that get damaged but if it's the master boot record it could get tricky
[18:45] <Kilos> yeah
[18:49] <charlvn> have any of you people played with the raspberry pi
[18:49] <charlvn> i haven't either but i have been following the development
[18:49] <charlvn> i am quite keen on this project ...
[18:51] <charlvn> i am busy watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaIjCLVmqXU - around 24:20 they have an interview with the founder
[18:53] <inetpro> charlvn: I've been ignoring the buzz, what's it about?
[18:54] <charlvn> inetpro: it's a small arm-based linux "computer" that you can use a bit like a fancy microcontroller
[18:54] <inetpro> ahh
[18:54] <charlvn> costs $25 - who could argue
[18:55] <charlvn> about 20 euro or 210 zar
[18:56] <charlvn> they are working on all kinds of expansions etc
[18:56] <charlvn> could be handy for physical security monitoring or access control, robotics etc, besides just being a fancy toy :)
[18:58] <inetpro> charlvn: have you seen the calxeda system?
[18:58] <inetpro> YIKES!
[18:58] <charlvn> it's an arm-based server right?
[18:58] <inetpro> my 8ta connection is absolutely terrible this evening
[18:59] <charlvn> heard about it but haven't been hands-on or anything
[18:59] <inetpro> charlvn: arm based 
[18:59] <inetpro> yes
[18:59] <charlvn> i am quite positive about arm-based microprocessors
[19:00] <charlvn> anything to challenge the x86 intel all-your-base
[19:00] <charlvn> and it's efficient too
[19:06] <inetpro> yep, looks like a new market with lots of potential indeed
[19:06] <sflr> looks interesting. are you planning to buy one charlvn?
[19:08] <sflr_> connection is krap
[19:08] <Kilos> the whole internet is sick today
[19:09] <charlvn> sflr_: i should definitely buy one although i don't really know what i really want to do with it yet
[19:09] <inetpro> ahh, so it's not just me?
[19:09] <Kilos> boys and their toys
[19:09] <sflr_> the site says they built it for the kids to learn programming :)
[19:11] <charlvn> yeah that's what the founder said during the interview i linked to above
[19:11] <charlvn> although i think it can be just handy for a lot of things
[19:11] <sflr_> but if you look at the specs is really hardcore. blueray quality graphics, ARM1176JZFS processor, usb, lan. all on a credit card sized board
[19:12] <sflr_> Processor technical doc: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/DDI0301H_arm1176jzfs_r0p7_trm.pdf
[19:12] <charlvn> yeah it
[19:12] <charlvn> it's not half bad
[19:13] <charlvn> education is good but i am looking for real world uses for it
[19:13] <sflr_> 245 sec ping. haha. mutter! is there a freenode SA server?
[19:14] <charlvn> nope unfortunately not
[19:14] <Kilos> sflr_, inetpro do you's public timeline twitter
[19:14] <sflr_> yes, i agree charlvn. I played with Arduino for home automation, but this look much better :)
[19:14] <charlvn> yup and cheap
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: huh?
[19:14] <charlvn> more power for less i mean
[19:15] <Kilos> gtwitter has a choice of public timeline or friends
[19:15] <sflr_> yes, the small size is big advantage
[19:15] <Kilos> if you got good eyes
[19:16] <sflr_> almost scarry to think about it
[19:16] <sflr_> Kilos, not sure. I use Tweetdeck, Android app and Twitter.com
[19:17] <Kilos> do you see everybodys tweets?
[19:17] <Kilos> or friends and followers only
[19:17] <sflr_> Tweetdeck is good to manage multiple accounts, lists
[19:17] <sflr_> I see tweets of who I follow
[19:17] <Kilos> sec i check if maverick has tweetdeck
[19:18] <charlvn> yeah the public timeline won't be too interesting, it's just a flood
[19:18] <Kilos> na
[19:19] <sflr_> there is a Tweetdeck for Chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hbdpomandigafcibbmofojjchbcdagbl
[19:19] <sflr_> if you use Chrome. lol
[19:19] <Kilos> lol 
[19:20] <Kilos> maybe gtwitter is more thrifty
[19:20] <Kilos> with luck it will use tcp not a browser
[19:21] <charlvn> i think it just uses http requests in the background in any case
[19:21] <charlvn> the twitter api is all http afaik
[19:21] <sflr_> yes, that's correct
[19:21] <charlvn> although, if it uses JSON, it's much more compact on data than say XML or especially normal HTML
[19:22] <sflr_> what does it take to get an SA freenode server?
[19:22] <Kilos> the thing is if you go publick timeline dont you then see everybodys tweets
[19:22] <Kilos> sflr_, speak to Symmetria 
[19:22] <inetpro> cool
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: topic is changed
[19:22] <charlvn> sflr_: there is also the twitter streaming api, i have used it a couple of times, but i don't know how many clients make use of it
[19:23] <sflr_> I never came across any twitter timeline showing everybody's tweets. that is like thousands per second
[19:23] <Kilos> i see inetpro . what did you change
[19:23] <charlvn> sflr_: in principle it is supposed to be super efficient but i think most clients still use polling every x seconds
[19:23] <Kilos> yeah it has a setting where you can change it, default is 5mins
[19:23]  * inetpro called in for help with op rights from the highvoltage guru
[19:23] <charlvn> inetpro: i think you can just use chanserv to set the topic of the channel directly, it's easier
[19:24] <sflr_> i understand. most people still think of polling solution to dial the server
[19:24] <sflr_> thanks inetpro for title update.
[19:24] <charlvn> inetpro: sorry cancel that, apparenty not on freenode
[19:25] <inetpro> charlvn: ahh, thanks
[19:25] <Kilos> oh i see all the sites are there too
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm... I'll try
[19:25] <Kilos> well done inetpro 
[19:26] <sflr> cut off at the end of title? -> Pastebin: paste.ubuntu.c
[19:26] <inetpro> charlvn: it works
[19:27] <inetpro> sflr: fixed
[19:27] <sflr> kool. now it just needs some flashing neon light. haha
[19:27] <charlvn> inetpro: oh wait sorry, i was looking under the wrong place, it's just /msg chanserv topic, not /msg chanserv set topic
[19:28] <charlvn> inetpro: was looking under the wrong place, knew it was possible somehow lol
[19:29] <inetpro> that topic is just so terribly long
[19:30] <sflr> haha. thinking in code #getsetters
[19:30] <charlvn> re hosting a freenode server: https://www.freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml
[19:30] <charlvn> not unreasonable requirements imho
[19:30] <inetpro> charlvn: cool
[19:31] <inetpro> charlvn: how about setting up one on our local shores?
[19:32] <inetpro> we used to beg Symmetria to setup a server for us when he was still at Tenet, but he never got around to do it
[19:32] <sflr> it would be a big advantage for us, as I suspect most ubuntu-za citizens are from SA
[19:32] <charlvn> yeah that would make sense
[19:32] <charlvn> freenode is quite a major network
[19:33] <charlvn> if i remember correctly, i spoke to Symmetria about this issue a long time ago
[19:33] <sflr> it says 350Gig traffic per month, but I dont think anybody from northern hemisphere wants to connect to an SA server
[19:33] <charlvn> and if i recall correctly, the reason they didn't want to do it at tenet is because freenode requires ssh access to the server
[19:33] <charlvn> that is quite a strange requirement actually for joining an irc server to a network
[19:33] <charlvn> most other networks don't have that requirement - irc.ac.za subsequently got linked to efnet instead
[19:33] <charlvn> they are more relaxed on this issue i think
[19:33] <sflr> yes, where would you put it? outside the datacenter :)
[19:34] <sflr> I will find out, but who would do this setup? somebody from freenode?
[19:35] <charlvn> my virtual server at hetzner has a 1TB per month soft cap and then i get shaped down to 10mbps (instead of 100mbps)
[19:35] <charlvn> but that's hosted in germany, not .za
[19:35] <sflr> Probably I can get a server sponsored locally, but I wont be able to set it up
[19:35] <charlvn> sflr: it's a good question, but it doesn't look too tough to do it from a software perspective
[19:35] <charlvn> i'm happy to help with this in any case, just saying
[19:36] <inetpro> sflr: that sounds like a great offer
[19:36] <sflr> yeah, that would be great!. It would be in Cape Town, if there are no objections. haha
[19:37]  * inetpro is always willing to help as time allows
[19:37] <charlvn> same here
[19:38] <inetpro> charlvn: so what do we need, ubuntu server or *bsd?
[19:38] <sflr> charlvn, do you think a Virtual server will do it?
[19:39] <charlvn> inetpro: according to the site, anything running the linux 2.6 kernel is fine, so i'm sure ubuntu would do the trick just fine
[19:39] <inetpro> cool
[19:39] <sflr> the site says: FreeBSD 8+ or Linux 2.6
[19:39] <charlvn> sflr: they seem to have a preference for a dedicated server but that's old-school, i think a virtual server with enough resources would be the way to go
[19:39] <charlvn> yeah i guess it doesn't really matter, linux or bsd, for this instance
[19:40] <inetpro> I think a VM is worth a try
[19:40] <Kilos> inetpro, i sjoed you
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[19:40] <Kilos> hehe tweeted you sjoe with your 200 followers man
[19:40] <sflr> Kilos, you must promote yourself on twitter from an egg ;)
[19:41]  * inetpro lol
[19:41] <Kilos> sflr, huh?
[19:41] <sflr> Ok, I will try for a VM based on the specs
[19:41] <charlvn> lol this conversation is turning weird
[19:41] <sflr> Kilos, I am talking about your Twitter avatar
[19:41] <charlvn> sflr: sounds good
[19:41] <Kilos> hee hee
[19:42] <charlvn> sorry i need to go as well
[19:42] <sflr> charlvn, the only real problem I see is to find a place on it on the network. Open ports, etc
[19:42] <charlvn> ciao all!
[19:42] <Kilos> this will take a while man. 
[19:42] <sflr> ok bye
[19:42] <Kilos> cheers charlvn 
[19:43] <Kilos> gtwitters prefs open opera browser here
[19:44] <Kilos> inetpro, do you guys look at all of those tweets
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: all those tweets?
[19:44] <Kilos> yeah from eshistoria etc
[19:45] <inetpro> hmm... I think twitter is oppiekoffie vandag
[19:45] <sflr> Kilos, you need to follow more people :)
[19:45] <Kilos> so then one just goes with friends and follows them only not everyone
[19:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:46] <Kilos> but to follow you need to find who to follow first
[19:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:46] <sflr> you will get the hang of it. you follow interesting people, companies
[19:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:47] <sflr> yes, that takes time. you can look in trends, search for things. look at friends followers, etc
[19:47] <sflr> I follow and unfollow lots of people, if I dont find them interesting anymore.
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:48] <sflr> There are also lots of bots on twitter. sexy chicks following you :) then spam you to death
[19:48] <Kilos> eish
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I only tweet like 3.1 times per day
[19:49] <sflr> if you like somebody's tweet, then you just retweet it
[19:50] <Kilos> whew now i get mail from twitter too
[19:50] <inetpro> ahh... mobile twitter ftw! https://mobile.twitter.com/
[19:50] <Kilos> ok first i go trends and go change hey?
[19:51] <Kilos> or leave it at tailored friends
[19:52] <Kilos> see tweets like  you are the toughest guy in your school will drive me nuts
[19:53] <sflr> you get suggestions. you can set to show trends locally or internationally, etc
[19:53] <sflr> inetpro, I hated mobile.twitter. But the Android app is pretty cool. Except the crashes. haha
[19:54] <inetpro> sflr: somehow the normal twitter is extremely slow for me this evening, especially when trying to post something
[19:56] <sflr> hmm.. that sounds like a big problemo
[19:56] <inetpro> but I think it's an unstable connection from 8ta
[19:56] <inetpro> very inconsistent and lot's of packet losses on and off
[19:57] <sflr> in the twitter architecture, the write operation is quick, so you can see your own tweet (and make you think your friends see it too :))
[19:57] <sflr> ok, that sounds like 8ta then
[19:57] <sflr> my connection had problems earlier, but now its working. even the soccer is streaming properly
[20:04] <Kilos> inetpro, can you go twitter with elinks
[20:04] <Kilos> ?can one i mean
[20:04] <Kilos> already 20m gone with a browser
[20:05] <inetpro>  Kilos: hmm... not so sure
[20:05] <inetpro> technically probably yes
[20:05] <Kilos> ok i will try
[20:05] <inetpro> just not sure how the authentication would work
[20:05] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:06] <sflr> you can try the mobile version, much lighter on resources https://mobile.twitter.com/
[20:06] <sflr> user's backgrounds are big in size
[20:08] <inetpro> Kilos: you could also turn off images in your browser
[20:11] <inetpro> in Firefox select Preferences, click Content and uncheck Load images automatically
[20:11] <Kilos> lol you forgot i purged firefox
[20:12] <Kilos> have epiphany and opera
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: you removed it entirely?
[20:12] <Kilos> just some ubufox stuff still there methinks
[20:13] <inetpro> hmm... well, you could do the same thing with Opera
[20:13] <inetpro> what version of Opera>
[20:13] <inetpro> ?
[20:15] <inetpro> Apparently you click on View in your Opera menu, select the Images and Show images
[20:15] <Kilos> sjoe slow down im still trying to find the version
[20:16] <Kilos> mine doesnt show any images
[20:16] <Kilos> 11.64.1403
[20:16] <Kilos> must be a new one
[20:17] <inetpro> but I must be honst, sites are looking terrible with images disabled these days
[20:17] <Kilos> yeah but if you are uncapped then images are fine
[20:18] <Kilos> maybe i should use gwibber like before hey?
[20:18] <inetpro> web developers no longer consider the visually impaired
[20:19] <Kilos> hehe
[20:20] <Kilos> wow no wonder im falling of the chair
[20:20] <Kilos> look at the time
[20:22] <Kilos> the mobile twitter is more thrifty
[20:25] <Kilos> night inetpro sflr see you tomorrow
[20:25] <Kilos> night everyone else too
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: good night