[04:42] * tumbleweed waves from a little cove on the Pakleni Islets === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:41] morning y'all [06:52] good morning all === sflr is now known as sflr_away [09:29] yo superfly and others [09:29] we just got power for the fdirst time today [09:30] hi deegee__ with a tail [09:31] Kilos: hehe too many disconnects today === deegee__ is now known as drussell [09:31] * drussell has to fly, have a good day all [09:31] lo dLimit Banlam charlvn nuvolari inetpro [09:32] drubin, all well? [09:33] yo sflr [09:33] hi Kilos [09:33] hey Kilos, charlvn :) [09:34] hi sflr [09:34] * Kilos wonders if zeref got his vlc to show vids [09:36] good mornings [09:36] hi there tweeter [09:36] kinda cold for a bike hey? [09:37] tumbleweed: what are you doing on the Pakleni Islets? [09:37] tumbling of course [09:38] oh for the tumbling tumbleweed [09:38] there was a song about that long long ago [09:40] hi Kilos [09:41] you gonna talk at that workshop superfly ? [09:41] Kilos: hah, tumbleweed tumbling in the wind, could be a nice title for a song [09:41] inetpro, there is a song like that [09:42] Kilos: No, I'm not good at presentations [09:42] aw superfly [09:42] maybe you can team up with sflr and make him do the talking [09:43] hi Superhuman [09:44] hey Kilos [09:44] How goes? [09:44] you well Superhuman ? [09:44] all fine here ty [09:44] yeah, still going stong [09:44] hehe [09:44] *strong [09:46] inetpro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbPPnCb3XJE [09:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbling_Tumbleweeds [09:48] Kilos: I believe you :-) [09:48] hehe [09:50] which presentation Kilos? on FoSS? [09:50] yes sflr its in our mailing list [09:51] yeah, i saw that. it depends if its technical or marketing talk [09:52] answer his mail and ask for more info on what he wants [09:52] haha, right. will do that. [09:55] anyone here with Edge Side Includes (ESI) experience? [09:57] what? edge side includes? [09:58] reading on the wikipedia... [10:02] interesting, the namespacing is vague in the w3c spec [10:02] * inetpro also acting surprised at hearing a new buzzword [10:03] it does make a lot of sense for something like this to exist [10:04] very interesting indeed [10:04] i'm concerned about the parsing though [10:05] and the w3c document is vague [10:05] http://www.w3.org/TR/esi-lang [10:05] it sounds extremely inefficient to send the entire document through an xml parser just to replace some content [10:06] besides, most (x)html on the web does not conform to xml requirements [10:07] i suspect it is parsed once and then cached in some way [10:23] yeah, currently you can cache static content (images, scripts, etc) on Akamai Edge servers. The idea of ESI is to be able to cache some dynamic content as well [10:24] but I was thinking what real advantage ESI has compared to Ajax, where the page gets assembled on the client side. [10:45] inetpro, i had to remind you about something, well im reminding you [10:46] can you member what it was? [10:46] Kilos: haha [10:46] hehe [10:46] Kilos: you can do me the honors and talk to the people [10:47] :-) [10:47] oh here? [10:47] yep [10:48] Maaz, announce monthly meeting here on monday night all of you. BE THERE [10:48] Hear ye, hear ye! monthly meeting here on monday night all of you. BE THERE [10:48] um here [10:48] * inetpro lol [10:49] thanks Kilos [10:49] we can also add an attempt to revive the LPI classes [10:49] maybe remove June 2 meeting from the title, then Monday meeting will be in front :) [10:49] yw inetpro [10:49] obviously all of you are welcome to add more items to the agenda at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/436/detail/ [10:49] whats LPI classes? [10:50] linux professional institute methinks [10:50] Maaz, lpi manual [10:50] http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual [10:50] ok. i thought Launch Pad Intro. haha [10:51] hehe [10:51] we started but our tutor got kinda busy [10:51] Looks good. I am interested. [10:51] drubin, tumbleweed, superfly: can you please edit the topic or give me op rights so we can remove the Rosebank event [10:52] there is a place to register and you will be recognised world wide once you pass the exam [10:52] also they give study stuff [10:52] be patient i will try find it [10:52] a short link for our agenda is: http://bit.ly/LYp5jY [10:53] inetpro, will it change every month or can that be a permanent link? [10:54] Kilos: unfortunately it will change every month [10:54] aw [10:55] Kilos: at least it will help to keep us active in here [10:56] yeah, lets hope. too many guys are becoming lurkers [11:01] aw goosie it went to wrong place in agenda [11:01] should be 8. didnt know one had to tell it. stupid thing [11:05] LPI Certification Level 1 manual: http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf [11:06] im looking tween other things sflr . there is a place to register too [11:06] what did you add Kilos? I can't see 8 in Agenda [11:06] it went in on 2 [11:06] grrr [11:07] we even have a channel for the classes [11:07] #linux_studies [11:07] ooo [11:07] oh i see. thanks. I join [11:07] #linux-studies [11:14] A good report on how a certification has an impact on salary: http://www.lpi.org/blog/global-knowledge-2012-it-skills-and-salary-report [11:15] inetpro, can you edit agenda and move item 2 to end off queue [11:16] I try.lol [11:17] good [11:17] Kilos: done... moved to number 6 [11:17] moved down to 6 [11:17] see if its ok [11:17] yay ty [11:17] did u move it? lol. i thought was me. haha [11:17] not me [11:18] one of the lurkers [11:18] hmm.... [11:18] hehe [11:18] guess we both did it [11:18] its cool. I updated it, but then got overwritten. [11:18] :-) [11:18] :) no prob [11:18] I changed the title to capital. Revival [11:19] well done [11:19] Kilos: you see, he can also do it and you could as well :-) [11:19] i dont see an edit button there inetpro , but refreshing all the time chews data [11:19] I just put the last item as order number 99 to keep it last [11:20] yes Kilos. you just need to click on the title of the agenda item, then you get into the edit screen [11:20] oh ty will try member that next time [11:21] i thought of a few more things last night just before dozing off but they gone now [11:21] haha lol [11:21] I guess the dream was better :) [11:22] hehe too cold to dream [11:22] ha got it i think sflr [11:23] http://linux-studies.za.net/index.php?title=Special:RequestAccount&action=confirmemail&wpEmailToken=c5b8354f5ee228b778eb62ee95eedf37 [11:23] that's true, too cold [11:23] aw wrong one methinks [11:23] I think that is for your account registration [11:24] http://www.lpi.org/news/lpi-announces-linux-essentials-program [11:24] http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/introductory-programs/linux-essentials [11:24] one of them must be it [11:24] you register and they mail you a number [11:25] huuurrrrmmm [11:26] Thanks! I will sign up later. I need to prepare for a meeting now with a presentation. [11:27] lo zeref fixed vlc yet? [11:28] mope [11:28] eish [11:28] using xine now [11:29] purge vlc and look in home for any conf files and delete them too then install again [11:30] nothing in home i see === sflr is now known as sflr_away [11:41] bbl guys be good [11:48] is daar dalk 'n henry botha op hierdie channel? [12:57] wow something is sick, what a struggle to get on here === inetpro is now known as inetpro_ === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro === inetpro is now known as inetpro__ === inetpro__ is now known as hibana === hibana is now known as hibana_ === hibana_ is now known as araneina === araneina is now known as inetghost [13:16] sorry for the spam guys === inetghost is now known as inetpro [13:16] hi there ghost [13:16] booo to you too [13:17] * inetpro was just cycling through my nicks to make sure I still keep ownership [13:17] ha ha ha [13:17] guess I should have done it while not connected to a channel [13:18] not a prob old man , we all know you arent a spammer [13:18] by choice anyway [13:20] i blew your agenda again because i dont read properly [13:35] eish [13:37] fixed i hope === superfly is now known as who_da_fly === who_da_fly is now known as superfly [13:51] inetpro: i see your troll and i hereby award with you: http://i.imgur.com/T80zN.png [13:53] E I S H !! [14:03] yeah, there will be a database cleanup over the weekend [14:03] KaBoom! All nicks unused for 150 days or more will be dropped from the database. [14:09] O_o [14:13] nice that is a good thing [14:13] but why have so many nicks.... feels a bit like domain squatting [14:15] you can have different and group them together. mostly used when you get disconnected and reconnected, then you can use a _ nick. I also have an _away nick [14:16] its meant to be used within reason, not to bring split personalities online :) [14:17] sflr: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html :) [14:25] haha, yeah it used to be bad! [14:26] imho still is :) [14:26] I prefer using _away, at least people know not to expect a reply any time soon [14:27] haha, hope you not referring to inetpro's list above ;) [14:28] heh! [14:29] no i meant using _away in nicks etc [14:30] okay. guess it is a habit then :) [14:58] one of those days when there's just not enough time [15:52] Banlam: welcome to my everyday world [15:52] that makes me sad [16:32] ahoy locos! [16:45] yeah since when this not having enough time anything new in ict [17:02] Evening all [17:09] hi magespawn [17:12] Hey charlvn [17:12] charlvn: hmm... I thought you had lotsa time [17:14] hi magespawn [17:17] inetpro: i always think that, until it gets sucked away with random things.. [17:22] Hi sflr [17:22] evening all [17:22] come on summer come on [17:23] Hey Kilos [17:23] hi magespawn , GC sick? [17:24] hi there cocooncrash all good there? [17:24] hi drubin you ok? [17:24] Was doing some update and sql installs and did not put the bot back up [17:24] oh my [17:25] did you forget or is it apartheid [17:25] yo superfly [17:25] Nah just forgot, need to automate the bot so it starts on boot [17:26] Brb [17:26] lol that will be a good plan [17:29] yo sakhi [17:29] Squirm[A], why so quiet? [17:37] yo smile [17:38] hi Kilos === smile is now known as smile-busy [17:38] inetpro, ping [17:42] Back [17:46] wb [17:47] no one saying anything tonight [17:49] hey Kilos! :) I'm here, just working o_O [17:49] lol enjoy sflr [17:52] Kilos, did you read Michael's reply regarding the workshop? [17:52] yeah [17:52] need to present to academic staff and post grads [17:52] is that your level [17:53] not my cup of coffee. i like hacking things together. [17:53] you can say anything as long as you promote ubuntu as well [17:53] they like theory and more theory [17:53] Kilos: pong [17:53] Kilos: ping :p [17:53] there are gonna be students too [17:54] inetpro, i need some clarification please [17:54] Kilos: clarification? [17:54] kinda mixed up with what install fests are etc [17:54] Kilos: ahh, we haven't had that in many years [17:55] release parties too [17:55] yes, I would rather do some UH at the university [17:55] Kilos: no, release parties we have had plenty [17:55] wasnt the plan to have release parties when cds arrived [17:56] Kilos: the cds are always late [17:56] sflr, you must get together with maia when she does her next UH [17:57] yes inetpro but the aim is to advertise and spread ubuntu isnt it? [17:57] so what is the party waits for cds to arrive [17:59] sflr, do you know all the sudo apt-get update and upgrade thigs [17:59] things [18:00] I do use it Kilos [18:01] Kilos: things change [18:01] good [18:01] ok, I will chat to her then [18:01] these days most peeps just download the released version themselves [18:01] party? I like parties ;) [18:01] lol [18:01] you not so old hey, you like inetpro 's age [18:02] Yes, I also prefer downloading [18:02] young in spirit. haha [18:02] here is an ubuntu/linux question: is it possible to do Adobe Flash development on Ubuntu? I need to recompile some source code into swf [18:03] ask maaz [18:03] Maaz, google ubuntu flash developement on ubuntu [18:03] Kilos: "actionscript - Flash development under Ubuntu - Programmers" http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/85302/flash-development-under-ubuntu :: "Flash development - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1285056 :: "RestrictedFormats/Flash - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash :: "Linux Today - Flash development in Ubuntu 10.04 with Eclipse and ..." http://ww [18:04] sflr, ^^ [18:04] haha, thanks. Kilos + Maaz = Genius!! [18:04] hehe yw [18:05] one only uses adobe if you got wine i think [18:05] Can use adobe air I think [18:07] Brb have to switch [18:10] Found something useful Open@AdobeProjects http://sourceforge.net/adobe/wiki/Projects/ [18:10] FlexSDK [18:11] sflr: forget about flash [18:11] just do it in HTML5 [18:12] howdy back again [18:13] sflr: have you seen this? http://browserquest.mozilla.org/ [18:14] a massively multiplayer adventure game using just HTML5 [18:14] afaiaa [18:14] ahh... "all done in glorious HTML5 and JavaScript" [18:15] see also: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/03/browserquest/ [18:16] inetpro, you can tweet corrie and try convince him to come to the meeting. he cant be so busy he cant visit once in 6 months [18:17] Kilos: send him an email [18:17] haha he always says he is so busy [18:17] maybe he should take my mail addy [18:17] i will mail him anyway [18:18] aw ive lost his addy [18:20] Kilos: I think it's corrie206@gmail.com [18:20] ty [18:20] thanks inetpro! its good stuff, I just need to recompile Flash source into swf :) [18:20] * inetpro hates flash with a passion [18:22] tell me about it. lol. somebody was so brilliant to create a facebook app in Flash! haha #fail [18:22] Kilos are you on Twitter? [18:23] sflr, on and off. data restricts me somewhat [18:23] sharpeys [18:23] corrie206 mail4ed [18:24] mailed as well [18:24] that's right. we were talking last night with inetpro to get ubuntu-za a Twitter account, and you to manage it. He mentioned you might need a data sponsorship with the title [18:25] ha ha ha he is so white at times [18:26] I find Twitter good channel to get the word out quick [18:27] yeah twitter and facebook [18:27] everything is there nowadays [18:27] yeah, i got bored of FB few years ago already. haha [18:27] but fb is a major data hog [18:28] sflr, do you use other im goodies too [18:28] Tweetdeck for Chrome is pretty slick. HTML5 [18:29] i mean do you chat on them [18:29] I use Gtalk, Skype, Google Hangouts. mostly for work [18:29] i have twitter in my pidgin but only look there now and again [18:30] do you use pidgin? [18:30] what's your twitter handle? [18:30] can do all of them in one place [18:30] sharpeys [18:30] no, i dont use pidgin. used it before though. [18:31] found you :) [18:31] I think mxit is also on pidgin [18:32] i use mxit and xmpp on pidgin for family [18:32] bye :) [18:32] toods smile [18:32] sleep tight [18:33] cool! havent used mxit in long time [18:33] Kilos: daag! :) [18:33] knuffel :) [18:33] = hug ;) [18:34] hehe [18:34] funny guy [18:34] wb sflr [18:35] timeout. lol [18:35] hehe [18:36] aw i lost twitter on my pidgin [18:36] * Kilos cries [18:36] what do you mean you lost it?! === sflr_ is now known as sflr [18:37] my drive got some bad sectors in the mbr last week and i had to start from scratch [18:38] oh krap [18:38] happens [18:38] been trying to find a way to move the mbr but i dont think you can [18:38] very irritating [18:39] move the mbr? [18:39] in principle you should be able to reinstall the grub boot loader into the mbr [18:39] i have tried to do it once or twice but that was on an efi boot loader system and i couldn't get it to work [18:40] but it's probably because i didn't spend enough time figuring it out [18:40] the mbr is the first 512k on the drive, i was hoping i could move it a bit [18:40] yeah i know but i don't think you can really "move" it [18:40] to like from 513k to 1024k [18:41] actually i'm not sure... if you have bad sectors, in principle it should be possible, but i never tried it [18:41] that's a tricky one [18:41] yeah moving the boot sector isnt a prob , but the mbr is serious [18:42] hmmm [18:44] yeah if you have other sectors that get damaged but if it's the master boot record it could get tricky [18:45] yeah [18:49] have any of you people played with the raspberry pi [18:49] i haven't either but i have been following the development [18:49] i am quite keen on this project ... [18:51] i am busy watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaIjCLVmqXU - around 24:20 they have an interview with the founder [18:53] charlvn: I've been ignoring the buzz, what's it about? [18:54] inetpro: it's a small arm-based linux "computer" that you can use a bit like a fancy microcontroller [18:54] ahh [18:54] costs $25 - who could argue [18:55] about 20 euro or 210 zar [18:56] they are working on all kinds of expansions etc [18:56] could be handy for physical security monitoring or access control, robotics etc, besides just being a fancy toy :) [18:58] charlvn: have you seen the calxeda system? [18:58] YIKES! [18:58] it's an arm-based server right? [18:58] my 8ta connection is absolutely terrible this evening [18:59] heard about it but haven't been hands-on or anything [18:59] charlvn: arm based [18:59] yes [18:59] i am quite positive about arm-based microprocessors [19:00] anything to challenge the x86 intel all-your-base [19:00] and it's efficient too [19:06] yep, looks like a new market with lots of potential indeed [19:06] looks interesting. are you planning to buy one charlvn? [19:08] connection is krap [19:08] the whole internet is sick today [19:09] sflr_: i should definitely buy one although i don't really know what i really want to do with it yet [19:09] ahh, so it's not just me? [19:09] boys and their toys [19:09] the site says they built it for the kids to learn programming :) [19:11] yeah that's what the founder said during the interview i linked to above [19:11] although i think it can be just handy for a lot of things [19:11] but if you look at the specs is really hardcore. blueray quality graphics, ARM1176JZFS processor, usb, lan. all on a credit card sized board [19:12] Processor technical doc: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/DDI0301H_arm1176jzfs_r0p7_trm.pdf [19:12] yeah it [19:12] it's not half bad [19:13] education is good but i am looking for real world uses for it [19:13] 245 sec ping. haha. mutter! is there a freenode SA server? [19:14] nope unfortunately not [19:14] sflr_, inetpro do you's public timeline twitter [19:14] yes, i agree charlvn. I played with Arduino for home automation, but this look much better :) [19:14] yup and cheap [19:14] Kilos: huh? [19:14] more power for less i mean [19:15] gtwitter has a choice of public timeline or friends [19:15] yes, the small size is big advantage [19:15] if you got good eyes [19:16] almost scarry to think about it [19:16] Kilos, not sure. I use Tweetdeck, Android app and Twitter.com [19:17] do you see everybodys tweets? [19:17] or friends and followers only [19:17] Tweetdeck is good to manage multiple accounts, lists [19:17] I see tweets of who I follow [19:17] sec i check if maverick has tweetdeck [19:18] yeah the public timeline won't be too interesting, it's just a flood [19:18] na [19:19] there is a Tweetdeck for Chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hbdpomandigafcibbmofojjchbcdagbl [19:19] if you use Chrome. lol [19:19] lol [19:20] maybe gtwitter is more thrifty [19:20] with luck it will use tcp not a browser [19:21] i think it just uses http requests in the background in any case [19:21] the twitter api is all http afaik [19:21] yes, that's correct [19:21] although, if it uses JSON, it's much more compact on data than say XML or especially normal HTML [19:22] what does it take to get an SA freenode server? 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