[01:28] <malv1> bazhang: have you fixed my bug yet?
[02:16] <rakzor> anyone know why an nvidia mx4000 would show up in lspci but when i try and find the restricted drivers for it it doesnt recognize the card ?
[03:09] <polygons> hey guys, when i go to open my home directory, i get this:  Failed to open directory "brad".  Error stating file '/home/brad/.gvfs': Transport endpoint is not connected.
[03:09] <polygons> any ideas?
[03:10] <polygons> i think this happened after my laptop crashed
[03:37] <taky0n> what is the xubuntu way to remap capslock to ctrl?
[04:16] <WindBuntu> hi
[04:35] <jazzyy> Is it possible tincrease the install size of an xubuntu 12 install?
[04:37] <Doranwen> I'm trying to use a xubuntu 11.04 livecd I had lying around (I didn't figure it would matter in this case whether it was the newest or one or two releases older, and it saved on b/w) to help me get some files off a laptop hdd where grub failed on a reboot, but I can't seem to access the internal hdd, keeps giving me an input/output error, saying it can't access boot
[04:37] <Doranwen> anyone have any ideas what I can try to get it to work, or whether I have to write off those files as a loss?
[07:02] <csaba_> hello
[07:02] <csaba_> please someone tell me how to set autologin for a specific user?
[07:02] <hobgoblin> edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf  as root
[07:04] <csaba_> ok
[07:04] <hobgoblin> add autologin-user=name  and autologin-user-timeout=timeinsecs
[07:04] <csaba_> what should it look like?
[07:04] <hobgoblin> 2 secs
[07:05] <hobgoblin> csaba_: mine looks like this http://i.imgur.com/3HqSn.png
[07:07] <hobgoblin> of course that assumes you to be using new xubuntu which uses lightdm
[07:07] <csaba_> wow, many thanks I will try it in a sec
[07:07] <csaba_> yes lightdm
[07:08] <hobgoblin> alt+f2 gksudo leafpad /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[07:08] <csaba_> ok give me a minute
[07:08] <csaba_> please
[07:09] <hobgoblin> take as long as you like :)
[07:19] <dobocs> hobglobin: I switched computers
[07:20] <dobocs> so I am here now inpleace of csaba
[07:20] <dobocs> I am now restarting the other machine
[07:21] <dobocs> autologin worked thanks
[07:22] <dobocs> but I have a problem, I installed icewm, and set that in the conf file, but still it loaded xfce
[07:22] <dobocs> what might be the problem?
[07:23] <hobgoblin> what conf file?
[07:24] <dobocs> /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[07:24] <dobocs> first line in it is user-session=icewm
[07:24] <dobocs> instead of xfce
[07:25] <hobgoblin> oic - no idea I'm afraid
[07:26] <dobocs> could you please show me that screenshot again?
[07:26] <hobgoblin> http://i.imgur.com/3HqSn.png
[07:29] <dobocs> hm stange
[07:29] <dobocs> can get it to boot to icewm
[07:30] <hobgoblin> I assume it works if you pick it from the dropdown in the login window
[07:30] <dobocs> yes
[07:30] <dobocs> correct
[07:33] <hobgoblin> dobocs: if you do /usr/share/xsessions in a terminal does it show icewm ?
[07:36] <dobocs> in that directory i have several enties
[07:36] <hobgoblin> yes - but is one of them icewm?
[07:36] <dobocs> like xubuntu.desktop or icewm.desktop
[07:36] <dobocs> sorry icewm-session.desktop
[07:36] <dobocs> or IceWM.desktop
[07:37] <hobgoblin> which is it?
[07:37] <dobocs> it is weird since I just installed one instance of icewm but shows up twice
[07:38] <hobgoblin> try using this sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults -s icewm
[07:38] <dobocs> just a sec
[07:38] <hobgoblin> or whatever it is called - just don't add the .desktop bit
[07:39] <hobgoblin> but - I'm just working from things on internet - never done it myself - so ymmv ;)
[07:39] <dobocs> waioh but thanks anyway
[07:39] <dobocs> I keep learning
[07:39] <hobgoblin> as do we all :)
[07:41] <hobgoblin> seems to work here - changed mine to fluxbox ok - brb I'll test it
[07:41] <dobocs> restarting
[07:42] <dobocs> it starts up xfce all the time
[07:42] <dobocs> hm
[07:44] <hobgoblin> dobocs: nope - it set lightdm.conf to fluxbox but booted into xfce
[07:44] <hobgoblin> no idea I'm afraid
[07:45] <hobgoblin> if you find out - come tell me please :)
[07:45] <dobocs> sure
[07:46] <dobocs> so it is working for you with these 2 settings?
[07:46] <hobgoblin> dobocs: user session as fluxbox is not
[07:46] <hobgoblin> autologin always has done for me
[07:47] <dobocs> yes but to specify the window manager too
[07:47] <hobgoblin> session has not - I said so twice ;)
[07:48] <dobocs> you said :seems to work here - changed mine to fluxbox ok
[07:49] <hobgoblin> it changes the conf file - but
 dobocs: nope - it set lightdm.conf to fluxbox but booted into xfce and hobgoblin> dobocs: user session as fluxbox is not
[07:50] <dobocs> oh sorry
[07:50] <hobgoblin> dobocs: hang about or come back later and ask someone else - sorry I can't help with that, but if you do find out come and let me know :)
[07:50] <dobocs> ok I will do that
[07:51] <hobgoblin> thanks
[07:52] <dobocs> maybe I should change the login manager
[07:53] <hobgoblin> hang on might have found something
[07:54] <hobgoblin> let me check something - I'll be back shortly
[07:54] <SandJ_II> I'm confused.  I have used an Xubuntu 12.04 Alternate CD to upgrade a Ubuntu 10.04 installation.  It is now at version 12.04 but appears to be Ubuntu (huge icons down the left, no menu) rather than look like Xubuntu 11.10 (pull down menu from the top left).  What did I do wrong?  And how do I turn it into Xubuntu 12.04?
[07:58] <hobgoblin> dobocs: no - thought I had it but it didn't work
[07:59] <hobgoblin> SandJ_II: did you get an answer?
[08:01] <dobocs> hobgoblin, I see, changing a login manager is not a good idea
[08:02] <hobgoblin> I'd not be happy giving you an answer to that - no idea what could break - it is linux though, so if you break it you get to keep both bits
[08:02] <SandJ_II> hobgoblin, I have now read on askubuntu how to install Xubuntu over Ubuntu, which I suppose fixes my problem.  I was just surprised the Xubuntu Alternate CD could do an Ubuntu upgrade without converting it to Xubuntu.
[08:03] <hobgoblin> SandJ_II: ok - you got the psychocat link I guess :)
[08:03] <SandJ_II> No?
[08:03] <hobgoblin> can you give me the askubuntu link please
[08:05] <SandJ_II> It is askubuntu questions 57753 and 65861 I am looking at (on another PC, hence links are not to hand)
[08:07] <hobgoblin> they get their information from here http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu
[08:08] <hobgoblin> but when you run the long command - add this to the end && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop && sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults -g lightdm-gtk-greeter
[08:09] <SandJ_II> That's brilliant.  Thank you.
[08:14] <hobgoblin> no idea why the alternate did that though
[08:16] <SandJ_II> I have triple-checked, it really is a "Xubuntu 12.04 Alternate CD".  I suppose it is impressive that it can do a Ubuntu update.
[08:17] <hobgoblin> not really ;) who'd want that
[08:17] <SandJ_II> I certainly didn't!
[08:18] <hobgoblin> I've never used an alternate to upgrade so I don't know what it does.
[08:18] <hobgoblin> lol - I'd have been mad as a box of frogs if it had happened to me :)
[08:56] <SandJ_II> hobgoblin, that worked a treat thank you.    Also the bit you said to add to the end is there on the command on the web page.  (I manually entered it afterwards just in case; it did harmlessly nothing.)    After re-installing the NVidia driver so it would boot (every PC has its foible, and that is this PC's foible) I have a working 12.04 Xubuntu.  Thank you for your help.
[08:57] <hobgoblin> I know it's at the end of aysiu's command - I didn't know if you were following that or the askubuntu thing :)
[08:57] <hobgoblin> and you are welcome :)
[08:58] <SandJ_II> It is quite incredible you can de-install scores of apps, replace the desktop and re-install different apps with one command, and expect it to work.  The difference between Ubuntu & Windows is phenomenal.
[08:58] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:30] <ChristopherNg> Hello, Ive just came back from Ubuntu to Xubuntu
[09:31] <ChristopherNg> I want to know how it is I can mount drives via the GUI and not the cli
[09:31] <ChristopherNg> Other than someone stating something obvious like a USB drive will be auto-detected
[09:31] <hobgoblin> and how did you do it with a gui in ubuntu?
[09:32] <ChristopherNg> I was using the 10.04 lts in ubuntu because i refused and still refuse to do anything with Unity.~
[09:32] <ChristopherNg> In ubuntu there is a drop down menu and you can just select it from a list.
[09:32] <hobgoblin> in nautilus?
[09:33] <ChristopherNg> 10.04 lts
[09:33] <hobgoblin> file manager? what is it that has the gui in it?
[09:33] <ChristopherNg> I dont think you understand what im trying to say
[09:34] <ChristopherNg> Atm, I connect a drive and its not appearing on the desktop, Ie its not been mounted as its files are not accessable.
[09:34] <ChristopherNg> I go open a cli, and type ls /media and its there
[09:34] <ChristopherNg> then it gets mounted.
[09:34] <ChristopherNg> I want to know how i can do that same thing without using the cli,.
[09:35] <hobgoblin> if I want to mount a drive that I have not mounted I use the file manager
[09:35] <ChristopherNg> where is that?
[09:35] <ChristopherNg> ok wait i think i got it now, but its not on the list there
[09:36] <hobgoblin> mmm - is this a HDD partition or a USB ?
[09:36] <ChristopherNg> Its a live usb
[09:36] <ChristopherNg> But i did the same thing with Ubuntu and it should always be there
[09:36] <ChristopherNg> The problem is that im not used to XFCE and im trying to learn where the different things are located
[09:37] <ChristopherNg> !help
[09:37] <hobgoblin> ChristopherNg: I understand - I'm still doing the same
[09:37] <hobgoblin> ChristopherNg: have a look in Setting Manager - Removable Drives and Media
[09:39] <ChristopherNg> Yes ive just checked it should auto mount when plugged in
[09:39] <ChristopherNg> It worked that time, I removed the devince and plugged it  in, Its a bit n00bish but it worked.
[09:39] <ChristopherNg> lol
[09:45] <ChristopherNg> Thats weird
[09:45] <ChristopherNg> I typed "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and the install went fine.
[09:45] <ChristopherNg> Then i go to youtube to check it out and it says i need flash player.
[09:46] <ChristopherNg> and yes i restarted firefox
[09:46] <ChristopherNg> i guess the version in the xubuntu repos is outdated
[09:47] <ChristopherNg> wait.....
[09:47] <ChristopherNg> is multiverse and universe etc on by default in xubuntu??
[09:51] <hobgoblin> can't remember to be honest - check
[09:52] <aquix> ChristopherNg  Install this firefox extension  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-aid/
[09:52] <hobgoblin> software sources is in settings
[09:53] <ChristopherNg> aquix: I installed flash aid, its still not working
[09:54] <ChristopherNg> hobgoblin: im trying to find the software sources in settings
[09:54] <ChristopherNg> i think its something to do with the repos
[09:55] <ChristopherNg> because sudo-apt get install flashplugin-nonfree works perfect in ubuntu without any problems
[09:55] <aquix> did you install the adobe flash with flashaid?
[09:55] <hobgoblin> ChristopherNg: mmm - I might have turned it on - run software-properties-gtk
[09:56] <hobgoblin> ChristopherNg: I think I possibly installed the adobe one from synaptic - but I don't get any problems with flash
[09:57] <ChristopherNg> aquix: What do you mean, I installed that flashaid and ive typed sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and thats come up as having the latest version
[09:57] <ChristopherNg> Normally sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree should be enough.
[09:58] <hobgoblin> it was here when I used it
[09:58] <ChristopherNg> Ive just managed to install vlc, If multiverse or universe was disabled would i have been able to get vlc at all?
[09:58] <aquix> ChristopherNg in firefox, find the flashaid icon (or in the tools menu) and run the wizard. Chose adobe flash and let it reinstall it for you.
[09:58] <hobgoblin> vlc is in universe
[09:59] <ChristopherNg> aquix: that worked perfect
[09:59] <ChristopherNg> That flash aid checks what you have and what you need, it worked fine now.
[09:59] <aquix> I like things that work :)
[10:00] <ChristopherNg> yeah me aswell.
[10:00] <ChristopherNg> thanks hobgoblin and aquix
[10:00] <aquix> no problem
[10:00] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:39] <ochosi> just sayin, there's a xubuntu team meeting today (15:00 UTC), in #xubuntu-devel
[12:41] <martinphone> i see, 1.20 to go
[12:41] <martinphone> they wont create a systemwide proxy settings app, will they?
[12:41] <martinphone> or discuss it...
[12:42] <ochosi> i think keeping this kind of stuff in networkmanager would be better
[12:43] <ochosi> have you submitted a bugreport/feature-request there?
[12:43] <hobgoblin> how do you set proxy in xubuntu? just for my information
[12:51] <ChristopherNg> will knome be present?
[13:08] <knome> ChristopherNg, i will :P
[13:42] <xubuntu162> hi
[13:42] <ochosi> !hello | xubuntu162
[13:44] <xubuntu162> i have a question regarding the RAM consumption of XUbuntu when no applications are running
[13:45] <xubuntu162> can someone please tell me the amount of RAM consumed
[13:45] <ochosi> xubuntu162: you mean a default session with no extra services and apps running?
[13:46] <xubuntu162> yes
[13:46] <ochosi> problem is, my install isn't in mint condition anymore
[13:46] <ochosi> i guess the best way of testing that would be via a virtualbox install
[13:46] <ochosi> unfortunately i don't have one atm
[13:46] <xubuntu162> alright, thank you for the suggestion
[13:47] <xubuntu162> i will try out the virtualbox install
[13:49] <xubuntu162> by the way, is there a command to check the RAM usage
[13:49] <hobgoblin> free -m
[13:50] <xubuntu162> thank you hobgoblin
[13:50] <xubuntu162> thank you ochosi
[13:50] <ochosi> xubuntu162: sure, sorry i couldn't be of more direct help :)
[14:00] <SandJ_II> xubuntu162, would booting from a Xubuntu CD give you the answer you are looking for?
[14:01] <xubuntu162> i am newbie, not sure about it
[14:02] <ochosi> SandJ_II: i'm not 100% sure that a livecd doesn't load a lot of stuff that you won't need in an installed system
[14:04] <hobgoblin> from memory my last install was about 260Mb
[14:05] <xubuntu162> whoa
[14:05] <hobgoblin> I can boot my quantal if you want - that is more or less vanilla
[14:06] <xubuntu162> alright
[14:06] <xubuntu162> thank you
[14:06] <hobgoblin> back in a bit then :p
[14:07] <xubuntu162> SandJ_II, if you have the usage amount please do tell me
[14:08] <xubuntu162> when running Xubuntu of the CD
[14:10] <knome> Xubuntu community meeting in about 50 mins at #xubuntu-devel. Everybody is welcome! Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[14:11] <hobgoblin> xubuntu162: 154Mb with xchat running and nothing else other than the system
[14:11] <xubuntu162> thank you hobgoblin
[14:13] <xubuntu162> thank you hobgoblin
[14:13] <hobgoblin> welcome
[14:14] <ochosi> hobgoblin: throw those 154mb into the face of those who say that xubuntu is bloated
[14:14] <xubuntu162> hahahaa
[14:14] <xubuntu162> will do
[14:14] <hobgoblin> ochosi: yep :)
[14:17] <xubuntu162> bye
[14:17] <hobgoblin> cya
[15:28] <aboudreault> Hi
[15:29] <aboudreault> after an upgrade.. my xubuntu loading screen never stop
[15:29] <aboudreault> I have to start lightdm manually, are you aware of that?
[15:29] <aboudreault> should I try to add lightdm in sysv-rc-conf ?
[16:19] <jblake> Hi, I updated to 12.04 on both my laptop and my PC ... but when I boot xubuntu I get stuck on the loading screen before login. However, if I open my terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) and restart lightdm everything works fine afterwards ... but it reoccurs everytime I boot. Any idea on how to fix this? Only started happening after I updated my xubuntu
[16:20] <holstein> jblake: whats the relavance of the laptop and PC? it happens both places?
[16:20] <jblake> holstein: it happens on both yes, only after upgrading to 12.04
[16:20] <holstein> i usually try booting an older kernel
[16:21] <jblake> but on another pc it didn't happen after upgrading so I'm a bit confused as to what might be causing it
[16:21] <holstein> myabe trying to cat .xession-errors would help?
[16:21] <jblake> let met check
[16:22] <holstein> i dont reboot that much, so i would probably just deal with it for a bit, and see if an upgrade fixes it.. maybe look for a bug to report or join
[16:25] <jblake> holstein: I've been dealing with it on my laptop for about a month, I don't reboot often so I wasn't that bothered either
[16:25] <jblake> but since upgrading my PC was doing the same thing I started wondering why it was happening
[16:26] <holstein> you could always try something other than lightdm i suppose.. try removing variables... i usually try with a different user account as well, but i dont think that will be the issue here
[16:27] <jblake> nah, not a user account issue because it happens before signing in on a user account
[16:28] <jblake> trying to find something which could be a reasonable cause of the problem in my xsession-errors but nothing important to see there
[16:28] <jblake> (xfce4-indicator-plugin:2084): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_realize: assertion `GTK_WIDGET_ANCHORED (widget) || GTK_IS_INVISIBLE (widget)' failed
[16:28] <holstein> you have any PPA's?
[16:28] <jblake> hmm yeah but the upgrade disables those by default, no ?
[16:29] <jblake> I believe it prompted me for disabling them before upgrade
[16:29] <holstein> jblake: it shouldnt
[16:29] <holstein> jblake: are you talking about a disribution upgrade?
[16:30] <jblake> just a move from 11.10 to 12.04 on xubuntu
[16:30] <jblake> nothing other than that
[16:30] <holstein> interesting... not sure what the deal would be.. i sometimes test those to make sure they work, but i almost always blow them out and reinstall fresh ;)
[16:31] <jblake> might do that too actually, I usually do that but wasnt bothered this time. But as 12.04 is LTS it might be for the best to start fresh
[16:32] <jblake> still doesn't explain my problem, but I guess I'll keep looking. Thanks for the suggestions anyway
[16:32] <holstein> it should just work
[16:32] <jblake> that's what I mean :p
[16:32] <knome> holstein, ppa's are disabled on dist-upgrades
[16:32] <holstein> jblake: maybe there are some bugs? "after upgrade lightdm is broke"
[16:32] <jblake> ah see, I knew I spotted it
[16:32] <holstein> yeah... i assumed update knome
[16:33] <knome> holstein, y:)
[16:33] <holstein> i was thinking a normal update at first
[16:33] <knome> mm-hmm :)
[16:33] <knome> continue! :)
[16:33] <knome> bbl
[16:34] <holstein> jblake: i would look for ways to blow out, or default config lightdm
[16:34] <holstein> jblake: maybe as simple as reinstalling?
[16:37] <Riba1122> Hello guys!
[16:37] <Riba1122> Is there a way to refresh the terminal (xfce4-terminal);
[16:37] <Riba1122> What I mean is, when I am reading a manual page, and decide to fullscreen (F11), the text's width doesn't change, but I'd want it to fit the screen.
[16:57] <jblake> holstein: I think the error that I copy pasted (the GTK one) might actually be the problem ... the xubuntu greeter is gtk-based so that might be it actually
[18:04] <martinphone> does any of you use skype with wine?
[18:04] <holstein> i use skype.. just plain skype for linux
[18:04] <holstein> doesnt require wine
[18:06] <martinphone> aint that outdated?
[18:06] <holstein> i use it... it works... im not missing anything
[18:06] <holstein> im not sure it was ever "out of beta"
[18:07] <holstein> i wouldnt expect much longevity from skype on linux in general
[18:07] <holstein> i use it quite often though
[18:07] <martinphone> i need it to speak in german with a czech
[18:08] <holstein> its just audio.. it wont translate, nor prohibit you speaking into it in any language
[18:08] <holstein> audio/video or text
[18:10] <holstein> for wine and skype... http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1592
[18:11] <ellegateau> prout
[18:22] <martinphone> netsplit?
[18:25] <drc> splitends
[18:46] <v1adimir> hi, with the nvidia proprietary drivers - is it necessary to: gksudo leafpad /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf & add "blacklist intel_agp" (with the comment: "# Blacklist the intel_agp module from being loaded by the kernel.")
[18:48] <drc> If you add it thru jockey, I would not think so...at least I <never> have and things work fine for me.
[18:50] <v1adimir> drc: tnx, i am not having *any* problems - just wondering if someone had done it and/or whether it's a "necessary" thing to do
[18:51] <drc> I think  it's done automagically nowadays, at least with any compentent driver installer.
[18:52] <v1adimir> cool, cool
[18:52] <v1adimir> drc: tnx!..:)
[18:52] <drc> np
[18:59] <v1adimir> if any1 has the time.. perhaps you could let me know what to look for / where - in order to add the custom wallpaper i will be using, for the login screen too ?.. or should it be done manually??
[19:28] <Pres-Gas> Hey, I am running the 64 bit version of Xubu.  What package of flash is recommended for 64 bit?  I heard one was not really 64 bit.
[19:28] <Pres-Gas> Xubu 12.04
[19:33] <v1adimir> Pres-Gas: you didn't use the checkboxes on install?..
[19:35] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, and then I was reading somewhere the flashplugin installer was 32 bit only and the adobe-flashplugin would to 64 so I switched, but now I am not so sure and wanted an authoritative answer
[19:35] <Pres-Gas> I wish I could remember where I saw this...slept since then
[19:36] <v1adimir> hm i was using flash x64 on windows
[19:36]  * Pres-Gas looks at chat room
[19:37] <Pres-Gas> What does windows have to do with it?
[19:38] <pleia2> looks like I'm using flashplugin-installer
[19:38] <pleia2> works fine
[19:38] <hobgoblin> Pres-Gas: I've used flash in 64bit with no more problems than I get on 32bit
[19:38] <drc> That's what's installed by default (if you click the right box) on install...works for me.
[19:39] <v1adimir> Pres-Gas: just btw., the repo is: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-06132012-093820pm.php & i mentioned windows because you said 64 bit - there is flash x64 for nightly x64, etc.
[19:40] <Pres-Gas> ahhh, vladimir
[19:42] <v1adimir> pfft, NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux. @ http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[19:43] <v1adimir> .. went 2 labs & realized it's gone. :( http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplatformruntimes/
[19:52] <nerdistmonk> why would upgrading my kernel disabled gufw?
[19:53] <v1adimir> nerdistmonk: perhaps something like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1896385
[19:53] <v1adimir> works fine for me, btw.
[19:54] <nerdistmonk> dude thats an ancient thread unrelated to my problem unfortunately
[19:54] <nerdistmonk> i went to kernel 3.4 and now ufw is dead
[19:54] <v1adimir> it is, sorz; idk wth i was looking at :/
[19:55] <nerdistmonk> i enter my password, turn the fw back on and reboot and its off again, so the underlaying firewall (ufw) must be having an issue now that i upgraded my kernel, but  idk what it is
[19:55] <v1adimir> mine is 3.2.0-24-generic
[19:55] <v1adimir> x64
[19:55] <nerdistmonk> im on 3.4.0-030400-generic
[19:55] <nerdistmonk> amd64
[19:56] <v1adimir> did you compile it yourself, or where could i find it?
[19:56] <nerdistmonk> the ubuntu kernel ppa
[19:56] <nerdistmonk> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[19:56] <v1adimir> tnx
[19:56] <nerdistmonk> i grabbed 3.4.0 precise
[19:56] <martinphone> what other services similar to skype there are?
[19:57] <martinphone> and, to talk to another skype user, must I use skype?
[19:59] <astraljava> nerdistmonk: Are you running which release? Cause I see you cross-posting this issue to #ubuntu+1 as well.
[19:59] <nerdistmonk> i left that room
[19:59] <nerdistmonk> im on 12.04
[20:00] <nerdistmonk> amd64
[20:00] <astraljava> Ok. It's possible that not everything is checked to make really sure that 3.4 works on precise.
[20:01] <nerdistmonk> but 3.4 is finalized and is released, and this kernel is specifically marked "precise" as in for this distro so i dont get how that happens
[20:01] <astraljava> nerdistmonk: You should turn logging on for ufw, maybe there are some hints there.
[20:01] <astraljava> nerdistmonk: Yes, but that's from the kernel ppa, and I'm pretty sure they don't put as much effort on those that they do for the series they officially support for the release.
[20:01] <hobgoblin> nerdistmonk: try with this - at least the bugs will be looked at and do some good http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/223/builds/16265/downloads
[20:02] <hobgoblin> they are looking at the quantal kernel for precise
[20:02] <nerdistmonk> yes but if i do that it will nerf my nvidia drivers
[20:03] <hobgoblin> aah - +1 this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1012765
[20:03] <hobgoblin> I had the same thing
[20:03] <nerdistmonk> its not a bug, its just that your expect to "compile" the drivers against the new headers
[20:03] <nerdistmonk> so in otherwords i would have to use the nvidia website drivers
[20:04] <hobgoblin> nerdistmonk: as far as the guy running the tests is concerned - it's a bug
[20:04] <Silent> Hello
[20:04] <Silent> How is the alternative image different form the standard?
[20:04] <pleia2> it has a text-based installer
[20:04] <drc> and is not a live cd
[20:05] <Silent> It wille fit on 2GB, while the standard one won't. Why is that?
[20:05] <pleia2> they both actually will, but unfortunately the graphical installer has a hard limit on install size
[20:05] <pleia2> since it's built for Ubuntu rather than Xubuntu
[20:06] <pleia2> (there is a bug report for it)
[20:07] <Silent> Oh
[20:07] <Silent> Well I actually like text intallers better so no problem on this one.
[20:07]  * drc ncurses Silent :)
[20:07] <Silent> Also, I'm installing on a 4GB SD card and will have 1GB RAM. What kind of installation should I perform?
[20:08] <astraljava> Wow! There's still a soul on this planet who prefers it with me?!
[20:08] <astraljava> err... like me.
[20:08] <drc> 3
[20:08] <pleia2> astraljava: me too
[20:08] <pleia2> (but I'm from Debian, it's to be expected)
[20:08] <salman> can somebody tell me how to stop thunar  automount removable device
[20:09] <astraljava> Hehe, yeah.
[20:09]  * Silent is form Gentoo :P
[20:09] <salman> please please please
[20:09] <pleia2> salman: I think it's a system setting rather than thunar
[20:09] <hobgoblin> salman: settings manager - removable drives and media
[20:09] <pleia2> yeah, that
[20:10] <drc> salman: App Men>Settings>Settings MAnager>Removeable Media
[20:11] <nozombian> hello guys, i'm happy user of xubuntu, but i have one little problem - keyboard changer does not fit to the height of my 1024x600 display, i don't see the whole window, bottom is mising and it does not have scrollbar. what can i do to see the full window?
[20:12] <nerdistmonk> ok so i got something, i tried manually enabling ufw from the terminal (which gufw needs) it says "ERROR: Could not load logging rules"
[20:13] <salman> All unchecked but HDD partitions still mount
[20:13] <astraljava> nozombian: I think you can press down Alt-key while trying to drag the window upwards.
[20:15] <salman> it's really annoying me when seeing  windows partition
[20:16] <hobgoblin> salman: in the left panel of thunar, that I think is something else entirely
[20:16] <nozombian> astraljava: wow, working fine, thanks :) and one another, the keyboard aplet does not remember the key kombination for switching the keyboards after reboot, why is that?
[20:17] <nozombian> astraljava: btw i haven't missed much as i can see ;)
[20:17] <Silent> Xubuntu can accept DEBs can't it?
[20:18] <salman> The side panel is important to me. Don't like disable it
[20:18] <hobgoblin> I understand - I just ignore the partitions that aren't mounted
[20:19] <hobgoblin> can't help I'm afraid
[20:19] <salman> It also appears on the desktop
[20:20] <astraljava> salman: Right-click on desktop background, go to Icons tab. Uncheck the checkboxen for various partitions.
[20:21] <astraljava> salman: Sorry, when you right-click, choose Desktop Settings...
[20:22] <astraljava> salman: On the Icons tab, you have the Default Icons area. Unchecking the boxen gets rid of them from the desktop.
[20:22] <salman> ok
[20:25] <salman> How to make each partitions password protected like ubuntu
[20:27] <salman> using nautilus
[20:28] <salman> any idea
[20:30] <nerdistmonk> i think i might go back to debian
[20:31] <Myrtti> "ok"
[20:32] <salman> I agree xubuntu lack of user controls.
[20:32] <nerdistmonk> lol but at least xubuntu has a graphical user manager
[20:32] <nerdistmonk> lol
[20:32] <nerdistmonk> debian has more control but no users applet in xfce4
[20:36] <salman> i will change thunar to pcman
[20:37] <nerdistmonk> im about to pack up a 500gb archive which should i use .tar.bz2 or gz (need a reliable storage container)
[20:37] <salman> Using thunar like riding a wild horse
[20:38] <drc> salman: Actually, it's more like riding an old nag...It
[20:38] <drc> it's no real fun.ll get you there, but u
[20:38] <nerdistmonk> lol
[20:39] <drc> I hate keyboard shortcuts!
[20:40] <salman> ^-^
[20:40] <nerdistmonk> so a .tar is just a storage container no compression?
[20:40] <SandJ_II> When Windows 386 came out, I was given the company's first Windows PC.  The boss was too mean to buy me a mouse "You don't need one".  Everyone else eventually got a PC with a mouse, I did not have one for 3 years.  Keyboard shortcuts are my way of life.
[20:41] <astraljava> nerdistmonk: bz2 will make it (most likely) slightly smaller, but it might take longer. Depends on your criteria.
[20:42] <nerdistmonk> just need a container that wont corrupt
[20:42] <salman> winrar
[20:42] <nerdistmonk> i have had .zip files corrupt all the time
[20:42] <nerdistmonk> im not a windows user...
[20:42] <salman> winrar for linux
[20:42] <salman> free
[20:42] <nerdistmonk> i like me some file-roller
[20:44] <nozombian> SandJ_II: he don't know what he is talking about, without keyboard shourtcuts the work would be unbelieveably slow, just imagine the world without just ctrl+c, ctrl+v and there are muche more ;)
[20:44] <astraljava> nerdistmonk: Do you have the files to be compressed under one particular directory? If so, then it's real easy: `tar cjf package.tar.bz2 directory/`
[20:46] <nozombian> nerdistmonk: if you don't like rar, you can create par files for your backup container, then you can easily recover in case something will get corrupted (bad sectors, etc)
[20:47] <nerdistmonk> i just installed squeeze (the archive manager), im going to make a giant .tar for the transport from usb to local, then it will be moved back once i change the filesystem to ext4
[20:47] <nerdistmonk> then im going to unpack it
[20:47] <salman> bye
[20:49] <nerdistmonk> woot
[20:49] <nerdistmonk> i just had it make the archive on the local drive, so while it makes the archive its also copying the files
[20:49] <nerdistmonk> hehe
[20:50] <nerdistmonk> using ntfs in linux is scary to say the least, so ill be glad to be on ext4
[21:18] <martinphone> why nerdistmonk ?
[21:24] <nerdistmonk> why what?
[21:24] <nerdistmonk> martinphone
[21:26] <martinphone> why using ntfs is scar
[21:26] <martinphone> scary
[21:26] <martinphone> not that i use it much, but ive never had problems
[21:27] <knome> writing support is not considered stable
[21:27] <nerdistmonk> it ate one of my files
[21:27] <nerdistmonk> thats why i dont like it
[21:28] <knome> *chomp*
[21:28] <knome> that's how they go into ntfs' mouth.
[21:28] <nerdistmonk> its far safer to use an ext driver in windows than vice-versa (though windows is all but extinct around here)
[21:28] <nerdistmonk> so im going to ext4 and man will i feel better
[21:30] <nerdistmonk> wished i could find a nice game repository for debian
[21:30] <nerdistmonk> the *buntus got playdeb (which ironically doesnt support debian i guess)
[21:32] <nerdistmonk> ipv6 is apparently the cause of my firewall not starting?
[21:32] <nerdistmonk> disabling it wouldnt be good though
[21:37] <nerdistmonk> well i flushed iptables and now its pi$$ed
[21:37] <nerdistmonk> lol
[21:37] <nerdistmonk> at least poking at it with a stick is getting its attention now
[21:40] <nerdistmonk> so how do i flushout ufw
[21:44] <nerdistmonk> ok im back
[21:48] <nerdistmonk> so i flushed iptables and then reset ufw but now it tells me "Error: problem running ufw-init"
[21:54] <martinphone> speaking of file formats: ext4 related: I have an external hdd formatted in ext4 where I store my music. couple of days ago I moved part of it to another loaction and then moved it back: most of the info (genre, year, album) was intact, but song number was all to 1
[21:54] <martinphone> all involved machines use ext4
[21:54] <martinphone> is it related?
[21:55] <astraljava> I doubt the filesystem has anything to do with that.
[22:15] <Kingsy> can anyone in here recommend a good mass ID3 editor with a gui ?
[22:24] <Myrtti> Kingsy: Ex Falso
[22:25] <ffs82defxp> guys, how do i make a folder in usr/lib?
[22:26] <ffs82defxp> i need to cut/paste the jdk into there, and there is no folder called "jvm" to paste it into
[22:28] <astraljava> ffs82defxp: That's an unusual installation method for it. Where did you get the JDK, and are you sure there isn't an installation package or any sort existing?
[22:28] <ffs82defxp> i got it from the official site where i always got it from windows. i got it as a tar.gz
[22:29] <ffs82defxp> im new to linux, so i have no idea how to install it
[22:29] <astraljava> ffs82defxp: Ok. You should decompress that archive file, you can either do it by double-clicking on it in a Thunar window, or by using tar in command line.
[22:30] <ffs82defxp> i've already decompressed it
[22:30] <ffs82defxp> onto my desktop
[22:30] <astraljava> ffs82defxp: Ok, is there a .bin file there?
[22:31] <ffs82defxp> yes
[22:31] <ffs82defxp> i mean no
[22:31] <ffs82defxp> there is a bin directory
[22:31] <astraljava> ffs82defxp: Can you point me to the URL where you got the JDK, please? It'll be easier to point you to the right tracks when I know what you're using.
[22:32] <ffs82defxp> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1637583.html
[22:32] <GridCube> astraljava, ffs82defxp, sadly in the latest java images theres no .bin file, you need to compile it yourself
[22:32] <ffs82defxp> oh
[22:32] <ffs82defxp> how do i do that?
[22:33] <ffs82defxp> java syntax may be similar to C, but i have no knowledge on C! haha
[22:37] <astraljava> ffs82defxp: Maybe this page will help: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/webnotes/install/linux/linux-jdk.html
[22:37] <GridCube> ffs82defxp, http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[22:38] <GridCube> this is a step by step installation
[22:38] <GridCube> its very complex
[22:38] <astraljava> Ahh.. much better, thanks.
[22:38] <GridCube> well not very, just complex
[22:38] <ffs82defxp> you would think that xubuntu would have the jdk right out of the box...
[22:38] <Kingsy> Myrtti: perfect man.. thanks
[22:48] <ffs82defxp> where can i find a list of all the commands?
[22:48] <ffs82defxp> like the command for deleting a file
[22:48] <ffs82defxp> and creating a folder
[22:52] <GridCube> ffs82defxp, http://ss64.com/bash/  http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Articles/The-16-Linux-Shell-Commands-Every-Desktop-Linux-User-Should-Know/ba-p/3093
[22:54] <ffs82defxp> i tried checking the man pages for rm
[22:54] <ffs82defxp> it doesnt say how to remove a folder and its contents
[22:55] <ffs82defxp> unless that is what is implied with the whole flag about deleting the parent
[22:59] <ffs82defxp> nevermind
[23:02] <ffs82defxp> ok i finally think i installed the jdk
[23:02] <ffs82defxp> wow that took like an hour
[23:29] <ffs82defxp> guys how do i use wine? i dont understand what I have to do
[23:33] <well_laid_lawn> !wine
[23:46] <ffs82defxp> guys i accidentally removed the workspace switcher. how can i restore it?