| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [975056] KWin shortcuts don't work on second monitor @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/975056 (by Zoffix Znet) | 00:09 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 975056 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "KWin shortcuts don't work on second monitor" [Undecided,New] | 00:09 |
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| Riddell | hola | 07:57 |
| * Riddell uploads 4.8.90 to quantal | 08:47 | |
| * Riddell starts on 4.8.90 backports to precise | 10:05 | |
| jussi | cool! | 10:16 |
| Riddell | ScottK: shiny new packages for your review https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue | 10:53 |
| BluesKaj | hiyas all | 11:20 |
| debfx | Riddell: so much mail in my inbox :o | 11:24 |
| Riddell | debfx: love letters no doubt | 11:25 |
| debfx | not sure if ubuntu installer is capable of loving | 11:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Why is the -dev audiocd-kio-dev instead of libaudiocdplugins-dev in audiocd-kio? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | ScottK: hmm dunno, reject and I'll fix it | 12:24 |
| kubotu | ::qt-bugs:: [1012550] qtsql: no drivers loaded (incomplete library paths?) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1012550 (by Jonas T.) | 13:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1012550 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "qtsql: no drivers loaded (incomplete library paths?)" [Undecided,Invalid] | 13:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: rejected. | 13:53 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Have a look at the license statement in cmake/FindFFmpeg.cmake in ffmpegthumbs. I'm afraid that one gets rejected too. | 14:25 |
| ScottK | debfx: ^^^ | 14:26 |
| ScottK | Same problem in juk as well. | 14:29 |
| debfx | also the binary name should be kde-thumbnailer-ffmpeg | 14:30 |
| ScottK | Can you fix both those things and re-upload? | 14:30 |
| ScottK | Rejecting juk now too. | 14:30 |
| ScottK | kmix actually has cmake/modules/COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS so if you need an example to steal from, that's a good place. | 14:32 |
| ScottK | Sigh. | 14:35 |
| ScottK | kmix misses a copy of the GPL. | 14:35 |
| ScottK | It has LGPL and GFDL, but not GPL. | 14:35 |
| ScottK | debfx: kmix needs a copy of the GPL added and mention of the licensing of cmake/modules/FindCanberra.cmake in debian/copyright. | 14:38 |
| ScottK | yofel_: ^^^ | 14:39 |
| debfx | I'm fixing ffmpegthumbs now | 14:40 |
| Riddell | hmm etherpad broken :( | 14:42 |
| BluesKaj | debfx, ffmpeg install on 12.10 has a lot of broken depoendencies , like so , http://paste.ubuntu.com/1040765/ | 14:42 |
| * Riddell kdesdk WIP | 14:42 | |
| ScottK | Sigh. kscd too. Needs cmake/modules/COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS for cmake/FindMusicBrainz3.cmake and debian/copyright fixed. | 14:49 |
| ScottK | Riddell and debfx ^^^ | 14:49 |
| Riddell | ack | 14:51 |
| ScottK | That's everything in queue. | 14:52 |
| Riddell | thanks | 14:52 |
| debfx | meaning you rejected everything? :( | 14:52 |
| debfx | definitely no love letters in my inbox now | 14:53 |
| debfx | oh | 14:54 |
| debfx | ScottK: please reject ffmpegthumbs again | 14:54 |
| ScottK | It's not there yet, but I will. | 14:55 |
| ScottK | debfx: Rejected. | 14:56 |
| debfx | working on kmix next | 15:02 |
| Riddell | kubuntu meeting in an hour? | 15:03 |
| Riddell | in here presumably since #u-m will be bust | 15:06 |
| Riddell | busy | 15:06 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 15:06 |
| ybit2 | heyo Riddell | 15:18 |
| ybit2 | one of the biggest questions @ the southeast linuxfest was "where's ubuntu" | 15:18 |
| ybit2 | outside of the KDE booth that is | 15:18 |
| Riddell | ybit2: mm? I've no idea I'm afraid | 15:19 |
| Riddell | presumably the loco for the area didn't organise anything | 15:19 |
| ybit2 | what's the meeting about? | 15:21 |
| ybit2 | in 40 minutes | 15:21 |
| Riddell | kubuntu bits | 15:22 |
| Riddell | see agenda | 15:22 |
| Riddell | and anything else anyone wants to bring up | 15:22 |
| soee | hi | 15:25 |
| Riddell | hi ScottK | 15:26 |
| Riddell | hi soee | 15:26 |
| ScottK | Hello. | 15:26 |
| soee | guys anyone using the new Dolphin ? | 15:26 |
| soee | from 4.9.80 | 15:26 |
| soee | *4.8.80 | 15:26 |
| Riddell | yes | 15:27 |
| soee | Riddell, is it possible to change icons and text size in left section (Places) | 15:28 |
| soee | before it was automaticly done when resizing | 15:28 |
| Riddell | I've no idea | 15:28 |
| soee | ah ok | 15:28 |
| ScottK | kmix accepted. | 15:29 |
| ScottK | debfx: I thought you were changing the binary name in ffmpegthumbs? | 15:31 |
| debfx | ScottK: turns out the package already existed before 4.9 | 15:32 |
| ScottK | OK. | 15:32 |
| ScottK | Looks good then. | 15:33 |
| ScottK | Accepted. | 15:34 |
| ScottK | juk accepted as well. | 15:35 |
| ScottK | Riddell: If Kubuntu is moving to Universe soon, we should hold off on the l10n upload so they don't get stripped. | 15:37 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I'm not touching l10n until universe is done | 15:37 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 15:38 |
| ScottK | We should probably discuss not using LP translations anymore at the meeting. | 15:38 |
| ScottK | I don't expect it'll be controversial. | 15:38 |
| Riddell | there's a spec that covers that (at least in part) so it comes under the work item review | 15:38 |
| ScottK | Great. | 15:40 |
| Mamarok | soee: please file a bug on http://bugs.kde.org | 15:41 |
| debfx | kscd uploaded again. is there anything else missing (except audiocd-kio)? | 15:41 |
| ScottK | From the ones I rejected today, no. | 15:42 |
| Riddell | audiocd-kio is in ninjas | 15:43 |
| ScottK | Can you upload it to the archive? | 15:44 |
| ScottK | debfx: kscd accepted. Thanks. | 15:44 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yep | 15:44 |
| ScottK | I'll review it then. | 15:44 |
| soee | uhm i like the new plasmoids scroller ;) | 15:45 |
| debfx | ScottK: bug #1013242 if you have some more time to exercise your archive admin powers | 15:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1013242 in kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) "Remove kdemultimedia source package from quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013242 | 15:54 |
| ScottK | Need to do some actual work for a bit ... | 15:54 |
| Riddell | apachelogger, Riddell, JontheEchidna, ScottK: council ping | 16:00 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu meeting! who's all here? | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | ahoy ahoy | 16:00 |
| ScottK | pong. | 16:01 |
| SteveRiley | SteveRiley is alive. | 16:01 |
| Riddell | sabdfl no online, tsk | 16:02 |
| Riddell | let's start with membership | 16:02 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SteveRiley | 16:02 |
| ulysses | o/ | 16:02 |
| Riddell | SteveRiley: tell us a bit about yourself and why you want to be part of kubuntu? | 16:03 |
| SteveRiley | more than what's on the wiki page i suppose :) | 16:03 |
| SteveRiley | two things that i think i could bring, based on what clay has mentioned | 16:04 |
| * Mamarok is here | 16:04 | |
| SteveRiley | at kfn, we'd like to see more cross-polination between irc, the list, and the forum | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | a summary would be a start, see, Riddell is lazy and only reads every other sentence missing half the stuff ^^ | 16:04 |
| SteveRiley | so i could see myself encouraging more of that | 16:04 |
| SteveRiley | the other would be as an evangelist of sorts | 16:05 |
| Riddell | SteveRiley: what attracts you to kubuntu as a distro and community compared to any of the dozens of other options out there? | 16:05 |
| SteveRiley | kubuntu is marvelous work. but it has a somewhat low profile | 16:05 |
| SteveRiley | i've spent a fair amount of my career doing technical communications, and i could bring some of that experience to kubuntu | 16:05 |
| SteveRiley | Riddell: when i started learning linux, ubuntu was my choice... i distro-hopped, but kept coming back mostly out of familiarity | 16:06 |
| SteveRiley | but i never really liked the direction canonical was going with unity | 16:06 |
| SteveRiley | when i saw kde on another distro, i was drawn to everything about it -- flexibility, appearance, de integration | 16:07 |
| SteveRiley | so in early 2011 i finally decided it was time to settle on one distro and make it my primary work environment, thus kubuntu was the natural choice | 16:07 |
| SteveRiley | my background: | 16:08 |
| Riddell | SteveRiley: how functional is the kubuntu forums community? are they friendly, do they solve people's problems, do they keep to date with changes in kubuntu? | 16:08 |
| SteveRiley | oh, ok... i'll answer that first | 16:09 |
| SteveRiley | kfn is unlike any other linux-related forum i've seen. | 16:09 |
| SteveRiley | the core group of active members have exhibit a high degree of mutual respect | 16:09 |
| SteveRiley | people go out of their way to research and solve problems | 16:09 |
| SteveRiley | i know i've spent hours sometimes doing that | 16:10 |
| Riddell | so your testimonial says, very impressive :) | 16:10 |
| SteveRiley | if you look at the number of posts in each release's section, you'll see that a lot of people do migrate, and keep up with the latest | 16:10 |
| SteveRiley | flame wars are very rare, we admins simply won't allow it. personal attacks are forbidden | 16:10 |
| SteveRiley | otherwise, we are very open and don't as a rule practice censorship | 16:11 |
| Riddell | SteveRiley: this might be controvertial but why use kubuntu forums rather than ubuntu forums? | 16:11 |
| SteveRiley | even our social/casual talk forum, where religion and politics frequently come up, people exchange ideas in a civil manner | 16:11 |
| SteveRiley | i don't have an answer to that question, as zach and the others created the forum long before i came along | 16:12 |
| SteveRiley | but i'll hazard a guess: | 16:12 |
| SteveRiley | ubuntu forum is BIIIIIIIIIIG. | 16:12 |
| SteveRiley | a number of our members have mentioned they find ubuntu forum intimidating | 16:12 |
| SteveRiley | we get quite a lot of windows exiles on kfn | 16:12 |
| Riddell | lovely, any other questions for SteveRiley? | 16:13 |
| SteveRiley | since we're smaller, and exhibit much more of a community feeling, they like what they see and they choose to stay | 16:13 |
| ScottK | Since you're a cloud person, what's your opinion on owncloud? | 16:13 |
| SteveRiley | riddell: re testimonies -- thanks. | 16:13 |
| SteveRiley | ah, owncloud | 16:14 |
| ScottK | I warned you. | 16:14 |
| SteveRiley | i looked at v3 briefly and foumd that it appeared to be a promising platform, but it had a number of basic bugs: | 16:14 |
| SteveRiley | php ui behaved unpredictably | 16:14 |
| SteveRiley | the sync clients mostly didn't work | 16:15 |
| SteveRiley | permissions issues abounded | 16:15 |
| SteveRiley | so when v4 came out, my observation was that's the version that will start taking off | 16:15 |
| SteveRiley | still a few glitches | 16:15 |
| ScottK | It would very nice if would could offer a complete FOSS solution for people who didn't want to use Google/Amazon/whatever. | 16:15 |
| SteveRiley | but now at 4.0.2, it's lookig very nice | 16:15 |
| ScottK | Riddell has packaged it, but I dare say we could use some help from a cloud oriented person making it tip top. | 16:16 |
| SteveRiley | being a pile of php and sql that sits on apache, you can install it anywhere | 16:16 |
| ScottK | Would you be able to help out with that? | 16:16 |
| SteveRiley | i run one on aws and one at home | 16:16 |
| Riddell | the current owncloud package is from debian, testing needed | 16:16 |
| SteveRiley | scottk: absolutely. | 16:16 |
| SteveRiley | i run both my ownclouds on a ubuntu server install | 16:16 |
| ScottK | SteveRiley: OK. Then you are now KFN person and aspiring developer. | 16:16 |
| SteveRiley | the biggest problem is that owncloud's documented installation procedure is wrong | 16:17 |
| SteveRiley | scottk: wow, thanks! | 16:17 |
| Riddell | well that's +1 from me for top contributions and community linking | 16:17 |
| ScottK | Do you use the packages or install the upstream tarball? | 16:17 |
| SteveRiley | i use the .deb | 16:17 |
| ScottK | +1 from me too. | 16:17 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 16:17 |
| SteveRiley | thanks much, guys. | 16:17 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: vote? | 16:18 |
| * apachelogger fires up his coin flip app | 16:18 | |
| SteveRiley | lol | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | the mighty app says yay +1 | 16:18 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: ? | 16:18 |
| Riddell | SteveRiley: welcome into membership, please e-mail me your launchpad user so I remember to add you | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | (it litterally says that ... I think I might have written bogus code, it always comes up with +1) | 16:18 |
| Riddell | you'll get a shiny @kubuntu e-mail and can put your blog on planet | 16:19 |
| SteveRiley | very nice. been looking forward to opportunities to join. | 16:19 |
| Riddell | -Emerge support partner update | 16:19 |
| SteveRiley | thank you, all. | 16:20 |
| ScottK | SteveRiley: Hang around here and let's make the owncloud packages better. | 16:20 |
| ScottK | Also #ubuntu-server. | 16:20 |
| Riddell | as many of you know a nice non-profit company called Emerge want to be a support partner for kubuntu | 16:20 |
| SteveRiley | indeed. that sounds like a good first bit to tackle. | 16:20 |
| Riddell | with any profits going back to kubuntu | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 16:20 |
| Riddell | (not to be published widely, they don't want it announced until it's sorted) | 16:20 |
| Riddell | this is currently blocked on canonical writing "yes you can use the trademark" | 16:21 |
| Riddell | shame sabdfl isn't here, but if anyone is in contact with canonical management do politely nudge them | 16:21 |
| Riddell | and if there's no comments on that it brings us onto the next topic | 16:22 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Council constitution https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Council | 16:22 |
| Riddell | we need a constitution so we can open a bank account and so canonical can make an agreement which refers to the kubuntu council | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | typo "quotate" | 16:23 |
| Riddell | well spotted | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | and "If a quorate is not at the meeting" isn't really English | 16:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger, ScottK: as existing council members have you had a chance to read through it? | 16:23 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 16:24 |
| ScottK | Not as well as cjwatson apparently. | 16:24 |
| Riddell | it just defines in bank-friendly language what we already did (agreed in maverick times) | 16:24 |
| agateau | hey | 16:24 |
| agateau | is anyone working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/995815 ? I'd like to give it a try if not. | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 995815 in apport (Ubuntu) "Apport shows black, empty window" [Undecided,New] | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: note that the entity KDE e.V. is not outlined in 1. | 16:25 |
| Riddell | it means we'll need a chair, treasurer and secretary which are pretty ceremonial roles except for the treasurer | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | agateau: meeting | 16:25 |
| agateau | apachelogger: oh right | 16:25 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: is this a call for volunteers? | 16:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Does it need something in there about how the constitution is revised? | 16:26 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: nope, that's the council vote which apachelogger already started | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that said ... I believe it should be mentioned that one member can only hold one of those positions | 16:27 |
| Mamarok | OK | 16:27 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes I guess so | 16:28 |
| Riddell | wiki being slow so can't edit | 16:28 |
| Riddell | feel free to suggest something | 16:29 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: likewise | 16:29 |
| ScottK | How about "Revisions to the constitution must be pre-announced on the kubuntu-devel mailing list and approved by vote of the Kubuntu Council."? | 16:30 |
| * apachelogger would think that a revision ought to be carried by >3 members | 16:31 | |
| Riddell | ScottK: added a bit about informing stakeholders "1. Revisions to the constitution must be pre-announced on the kubuntu-devel mailing list and informed the Ubuntu Community Council and other stakeholders and approved by vote of the Kubuntu Council." | 16:32 |
| ScottK | Sounds good. | 16:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it's difficult to put a larger number, that leads to problems if people disappear | 16:32 |
| Riddell | which happens a lot in societies like this | 16:32 |
| * ScottK thought about a super-majority requirement and decided not. | 16:32 | |
| ScottK | I think getting information out is the key. | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | well, a quorum is currently defined as 3/6, IMHO that ought to be 4/6 | 16:33 |
| debfx | maybe we should have a process to replace inactive council members? | 16:33 |
| ScottK | Then we'd have to define inactive? | 16:33 |
| ScottK | I don't think it needs to be in the constitution. | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | + | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | if >2 go MIA something ought to be terribly wrong anyway | 16:34 |
| ScottK | I think quorum of 3 is good. | 16:35 |
| Riddell | "if any council members do not make contact with the other council members project for over three months they shall be considered inactive and a vote may be organise to replace them" ? | 16:35 |
| ScottK | It ought to be something like do not respond to contact attempts. | 16:37 |
| Riddell | "if any council members do not respond to contact attempts for over three months they shall be considered inactive and a vote may be organise to replace them" ? | 16:38 |
| ScottK | "if any council members do respond to contact attempts by other council members project for over three months they shall be considered inactive and a vote may be organized to replace them" | 16:38 |
| ScottK | Mine is spelled better, but either one. | 16:38 |
| Mamarok | do NOT respond you mean :) | 16:38 |
| ScottK | Yes. I dod. | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: if a revisoinal quorum is 4 members it would enforce that at least one of the businessy members have to attend | 16:39 |
| ScottK | do even. | 16:39 |
| littlegirl | I hope you don't mind, but I fixed the "quorate" grammatical errors on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Council page. | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | which would then save us having to outline the process to hold a meeting | 16:39 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Getting three at a time is hard enough. | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: how often do you plan on changing the constitution? | 16:39 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Approximately never, but it'll be some dire circumstance and I don't want to make it overly hard. | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | I am fine with 3 attendees for regular votes, not for revisions of the constituation | 16:40 |
| ScottK | I guess. Not my preference, but I can live with it. | 16:40 |
| Riddell | thanks littlegirl | 16:40 |
| littlegirl | Any time. (: | 16:40 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: 4 or all active members? | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: 4 | 16:41 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: "4 or all active members"? | 16:41 |
| Riddell | a simple number is liable to problems when nobody is active (been there, done that) | 16:41 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 16:42 |
| ScottK | The lesser of 4 or all active members | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yah | 16:42 |
| debfx | well we can replace inactive members now so adding "all active members" is imho not needed | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | if you need a somewhat immediate change .... | 16:43 |
| ScottK | Yes. Elections take time. | 16:43 |
| Riddell | "The vote must include the lesser of 4 or all active members." | 16:43 |
| debfx | voting only takes 2 weeks | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | +3 months until someone can be considered inactive | 16:44 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that's in the previous point (12) | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | yes, that was regarding the 2 weeks election time not being long | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | you have to take into acccount that before those 2 weeks could be 3 months of not being able to carry a revision | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | so being able to carry it after 3 months (at the worst) seems way more reasonable than 3.5 months | 16:46 |
| Riddell | any more comments? | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | KDEev defintion | 16:48 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: added | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | looks good to me | 16:50 |
| Riddell | shall we vote? | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 16:51 |
| Riddell | it gets a +1 from me for nicely defining what we do anyway | 16:51 |
| ScottK | +1 | 16:51 |
| ScottK | Passed. | 16:51 |
| Riddell | lovely, thanks all | 16:51 |
| Riddell | any other business? | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | I hope everyone voted on new council members already :) | 16:51 |
| ScottK | I think we should wait until the current election concludes to select the various roles. | 16:51 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: closes on sunday? | 16:52 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: for that I should actually get a mail to vote, still haven't got it | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | yes, sometime sunday when I get to close the vote (that is: when I get up :)) | 16:52 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: hmm related to the e-mail problems you reported? | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | currently we have 29 of 49 votes casted, which has been like this for a day or two, so I suppose everyone who is interested already voted anyway :) | 16:53 |
| Mamarok | I guess so | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: oho | 16:53 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: are you able to add Mamarok manually? | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | aye | 16:53 |
| Mamarok | thanks :) | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: myriam@kde.org? | 16:53 |
| Mamarok | yes | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | added | 16:54 |
| Mamarok | normally Launchpad should be fixed now, I hope it will not forward mails from @kubuntu.org to @ubuntu.com and vice-versa again | 16:54 |
| Riddell | oh | 16:54 |
| Riddell | spec review | 16:55 |
| Riddell | duh | 16:55 |
| Riddell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q?searchtext=kubuntu | 16:55 |
| Riddell | shall I go through them quickly? | 16:55 |
| Mamarok | yes, please | 16:55 |
| Riddell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-images 1GB images, no separate dvd | 16:56 |
| ScottK | Alternates? | 16:56 |
| Riddell | ScottK: still undecided | 16:56 |
| Riddell | it'll need some additions to ubiquity I think to replace all the features, which is happening on the gtk side | 16:57 |
| ScottK | Not sure about dropping powerpc. We had testers for precise. | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | isn't ppc a ports release anyway? | 16:57 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 16:58 |
| Riddell | I'd be all for dropping alternates but I guess people will complain if ubiquity doesn't replace all the features | 16:58 |
| ScottK | Spec says about dropping the images. | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | hm | 16:58 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Agreed. | 16:58 |
| debfx | sounds good, but I think we should still aim to keep the size small. | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | what would we get from dropping it? | 16:58 |
| debfx | so we don't fill up the 1GB just because we can | 16:58 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: one less hassle | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, if we have testers... | 16:58 |
| ScottK | We tried to drop the alternate the cycle you were gone and got all kinds of hate due to lack of Ubiquity features. | 16:58 |
| Riddell | which is lots of little hassle when compiling packages | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | never noticed? | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | what's different for ppc? | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | I mean, other than the odd FTBFS | 16:59 |
| Riddell | it's slow mostly | 16:59 |
| ScottK | That's true if we make images or not. | 16:59 |
| SteveRiley | uh, well, i like the alternate installer because i prefer advanced-mode cli, but i'll admit i'm in a small minority there | 16:59 |
| Mamarok | I tend to only use that one | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | SteveRiley: one pretty much gets the same result with netinstall | 17:00 |
| Riddell | feel free to add back powerpc but I won't care about it :) | 17:00 |
| SteveRiley | apachelogger: true. | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | about ppc ... I don't see the harm in having it around as long as someone but us ensures it works :P | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | when/if that is not the case I am all for dropping it | 17:00 |
| SteveRiley | apachelogger: it involves more waiting for downloads, but i tend to forget that, what with my 60 mbps comcast connection :) | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | SteveRiley: actually for advanced install it will mostly be faster as one can install only the stuff one really wants ^^ | 17:01 |
| Riddell | ok I removed the drop powerpc item, and add in "powerpc is very low priority" | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: + | 17:02 |
| Riddell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-active plasma active 3 | 17:02 |
| SteveRiley | apachelogger: hmm... then the one time i compared them i must have done something weird... can't remember what, now. | 17:02 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: what with people not having the bandwidth? | 17:02 |
| Riddell | assigned to rbelem | 17:02 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I think (re powerpc) that's good. | 17:03 |
| Riddell | "script test sessions of Active with Xephyr and separate user" that's fiddly but rbelem seems to think he can do it | 17:04 |
| SteveRiley | for plasma active - this is another interest of mine, and i can offer up testing services using my samsung 700t | 17:04 |
| Riddell | "buy/obtain tablets and get to useful people to ensure testing" Darkwing got a couple of those already | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: downloading alternate or downloading netinstall+download on-the-fly requires the same bandwith | 17:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I think the Active spec needs to work item to look at the missing kde4libs patches to see if there's anything in there too insane for us. | 17:04 |
| Riddell | SteveRiley: excellent | 17:04 |
| ScottK | to work item/a work item | 17:05 |
| SteveRiley | looks like i'm going to have to learn this packaging stuff reall quick-like | 17:05 |
| Riddell | ScottK: "[kubuntu-dev] review kdelibs/base patches for potential technical issues: TODO" ? | 17:05 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Good. | 17:05 |
| Riddell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-development all in some sort of progress | 17:06 |
| Riddell | except for "add hooks to language kcm to list all language then install them when selected by user" | 17:06 |
| Riddell | which is to replace language selector which is going away (so are our language packs anyway) | 17:06 |
| rbelem | Riddell, related to arm images | 17:07 |
| ScottK | I think PyQt/PyKDE4 works with Ptyhon3 is done. | 17:07 |
| rbelem | Riddell, we still need omap3 | 17:07 |
| Riddell | rbelem: why? | 17:07 |
| rbelem | Riddell, some tablets runs that | 17:08 |
| Riddell | rbelem: ones powerful enough to run plasma active? | 17:08 |
| rbelem | Riddell, i dont have the list on top of my head | 17:08 |
| Riddell | last cycle we didn't have anything to test them | 17:08 |
| rbelem | Riddell, yup | 17:08 |
| Riddell | except beagle boards which aren't powerful enough | 17:08 |
| debfx | Riddell: some packages (at least kde4libs) will stay in main. so I think we still need the language packs. | 17:08 |
| rbelem | Riddell, i will list them then i will ping you | 17:09 |
| Riddell | rbelem: the item is "drop omap(3) image unless someone finds a use" so if you find a use that covers the item | 17:09 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: works for me certainly | 17:09 |
| rbelem | Riddell, yup | 17:09 |
| cjwatson | ubiquity and update-manager are using it so it had better | 17:09 |
| Riddell | debfx: hmm, probably needs some thinking about | 17:09 |
| cjwatson | debfx: or maybe we should blacklist those from language pack stripping | 17:10 |
| cjwatson | that sounds kind of easier | 17:10 |
| ScottK | kde4libs won't have translations in it anyway. | 17:10 |
| Riddell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs has some items for Darkwing | 17:10 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: there'll be a few others | 17:10 |
| Riddell | littlegirl: but feel free to take over, don't let others prevent you from doing useful things in docs or elsewhere | 17:11 |
| Riddell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-future has items already under way | 17:11 |
| Riddell | new council elections, constitution, move to universe | 17:12 |
| Riddell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-packaging has lots of things needing packaged | 17:13 |
| Riddell | with debfx script for package reviewing the SC packaging is much nicer | 17:13 |
| littlegirl | Oh, sorry, I was still playing around with https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Council which looks much better now. (: | 17:13 |
| ScottK | q-future work items need a bit of updating on assignees, but look good otherwise. | 17:13 |
| Riddell | I noticed plasma media centre is getting into a useable state so that should be looked at too | 17:14 |
| littlegirl | Riddell: Thanks - I appreciate the vote of confidence. I've been learning DocBook inside and out so that I'm prepared to make changes to the documentation instead of floundering around in it. (: | 17:14 |
| * Mamarok goes to feed the cats before they eat the cables here | 17:15 | |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, Qt 5 (with wayland backend) , now that looks real interesting ! :) | 17:15 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Constitution needs to move off the wiki to kubuntu.org. | 17:15 |
| Riddell | ScottK: will do | 17:15 |
| ScottK | Riddell: We don't need Qt5 for anything for Kubuntu. Is that really our team's work item? | 17:16 |
| Riddell | ScottK: it's needed to support upstream kde (in my opinion) | 17:16 |
| Riddell | but much can be palmed off onto canonical and linaro | 17:16 |
| ScottK | OK. Fair enough. | 17:16 |
| ScottK | Please do. | 17:16 |
| BluesKaj | antway , back to work | 17:17 |
| Riddell | if we just leave it up to canonical that means they might get into habits of adding random patches | 17:17 |
| ScottK | True. | 17:17 |
| ScottK | For a large value of might. | 17:17 |
| Riddell | any other comments or can we vote on them? | 17:18 |
| debfx | I just hope Qt 5 will be coordinated with Debian. | 17:18 |
| Riddell | debfx: by linaro I mean fabo who is debian | 17:19 |
| Riddell | but yes | 17:19 |
| Riddell | these work items are +1 from me (cos I wrote them mostly) | 17:19 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 17:20 |
| littlegirl | I notice that the Precise documentation was located in the Kubuntu section here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs while the Quantal documentation seems to be located in the Ubuntu section here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu - is that an oversight or intentional? | 17:20 |
| Riddell | littlegirl: the spec is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs | 17:21 |
| Riddell | oh I see, it's under a different project | 17:21 |
| Riddell | that's not important | 17:21 |
| littlegirl | It would be nice to have it in the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs section for semantics' sake. (: | 17:22 |
| Riddell | ok I can look at that | 17:22 |
| Riddell | but not just now I need to go out | 17:22 |
| Riddell | ScottK: what say you? | 17:22 |
| ScottK | +1 on the specs as modified. | 17:22 |
| littlegirl | That sounds good. (: | 17:22 |
| * littlegirl is still sitting on 3 documents that never got pushed into Precise. | 17:23 | |
| Riddell | littlegirl: hmm there's probably a group you can be added to so you don't get blocked like that | 17:24 |
| Riddell | thanks friends | 17:24 |
| * Riddell must run | 17:24 | |
| littlegirl | Riddell: Okay, let me know in email. (: | 17:24 |
| ScottK | Specs approved. | 17:35 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Is there anything else? | 17:35 |
| Peace- | aloha | 17:40 |
| claydoh | SteveRiley yay! | 17:57 |
| * ScottK declares the meeting over. | 17:59 | |
| claydoh | Sorry I missed it, large delivery today so a very late break for me | 18:03 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| * yofel had a hell of a day and fell asleep the moment he got home -.- | 18:04 | |
| koolhead17 | y0 yofel | 18:04 |
| ScottK | yofel: Then you're well rested. You can get to work ... | 18:04 |
| yofel | lol :) | 18:04 |
| koolhead17 | yofel, how is ur phone doing | 18:05 |
| koolhead17 | Riddell, supp | 18:05 |
| yofel | my phone's fine... not sure what you mean | 18:07 |
| yofel | Riddell: another thing about alternate, rbelem wanted to keep it as it's used for offline upgrades for people with low bandwidth | 18:08 |
| yofel | *by people | 18:08 |
| yofel | SteveRiley: congrats :) | 18:08 |
| SteveRiley | yofel: thanks! | 18:09 |
| SteveRiley | feel like i have plenty to learn (launchpad intricacies, how do to builds, that kind of thing) ... looking forward to it | 18:09 |
| ScottK | yofel: I just noticed the kmix short description is the same as kmix-dev. Please fix the -dev one. | 18:23 |
| ScottK | (for the next upload0 | 18:23 |
| ScottK | )/) | 18:23 |
| ScottK | Meh. | 18:23 |
| ScottK | 0/) | 18:23 |
| CIA-45 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kmix] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) Fix the short description of kmix-dev so it says that it's a development package | 18:26 |
| yofel | fixed, thanks for spotting that | 18:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell (or anyone else with a minute): audiocd-kio is still missing cmake/COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS and mention of the BSD license in debian/copyright. | 18:28 |
| ScottK | (see juk for a copy of the file to add) | 18:28 |
| ScottK | yofel: Can you fix ^^^ | 18:28 |
| yofel | can do | 18:30 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 18:31 |
| CIA-45 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/audiocd-kio] Philip Muškovac * 12 * debian/ (changelog copyright) Add missing copyright entry for cmake/FindCdparanoia.cmake | 19:02 |
| jussi | bugger, missed the meeting | 20:13 |
| JontheEchidna | me too, $work got in the way :( | 20:41 |
| JontheEchidna | agateau: bug 993672 | 20:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 993672 in intltool-debian (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ships malformed interactive upgrade hook which causes translations to be shown in the dialog" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993672 | 20:41 |
| JontheEchidna | that's the black rectangle | 20:41 |
| dantti_laptop | speaking of it, it should really be removed from kded, killing that dialog kills kded, no gui should be put in kded... | 20:48 |
| soee | are you planning to prepare kde 4.8.90 packages for 12.04 ? | 20:57 |
| yofel | yes | 21:00 |
| Riddell | hi | 21:07 |
| genii-around | Is there any cure yet for battery widget thinking there's no battery? | 21:10 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: ooh what's the work? | 21:11 |
| Riddell | jussi: doesn't finland have more important things to worry about today? | 21:11 |
| BluesKaj | BBL | 21:53 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Don't forget the release meeting mail ... I"ll probably be offline most of tomorrow. | 23:16 |
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