[00:09] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [975056] KWin shortcuts don't work on second monitor @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/975056 (by Zoffix Znet)
[07:57] <Riddell> hola
[08:47]  * Riddell uploads 4.8.90 to quantal
[10:05]  * Riddell starts on 4.8.90 backports to precise
[10:16] <jussi> cool!
[10:53] <Riddell> ScottK: shiny new packages for your review https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue
[11:20] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:24] <debfx> Riddell: so much mail in my inbox :o
[11:25] <Riddell> debfx: love letters no doubt
[11:26] <debfx> not sure if ubuntu installer is capable of loving
[11:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Why is the -dev audiocd-kio-dev instead of libaudiocdplugins-dev in audiocd-kio?
[12:24] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm dunno, reject and I'll fix it
[13:26] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1012550] qtsql: no drivers loaded (incomplete library paths?) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1012550 (by Jonas T.)
[13:53] <ScottK> Riddell: rejected.
[14:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Have a look at the license statement in cmake/FindFFmpeg.cmake in ffmpegthumbs.  I'm afraid that one gets rejected too.
[14:26] <ScottK> debfx: ^^^
[14:29] <ScottK> Same problem in juk as well.
[14:30] <debfx> also the binary name should be kde-thumbnailer-ffmpeg
[14:30] <ScottK> Can you fix both those things and re-upload?
[14:30] <ScottK> Rejecting juk now too.
[14:32] <ScottK> kmix actually has cmake/modules/COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS so if you need an example to steal from, that's a good place.
[14:35] <ScottK> Sigh.
[14:35] <ScottK> kmix misses a copy of the GPL.
[14:35] <ScottK> It has LGPL and GFDL, but not GPL.
[14:38] <ScottK> debfx: kmix needs a copy of the GPL added and mention of the licensing of cmake/modules/FindCanberra.cmake in debian/copyright.
[14:39] <ScottK> yofel_: ^^^
[14:40] <debfx> I'm fixing ffmpegthumbs now
[14:42] <Riddell> hmm etherpad broken :(
[14:42] <BluesKaj> debfx, ffmpeg install on 12.10 has a lot of broken depoendencies , like so , http://paste.ubuntu.com/1040765/
[14:42]  * Riddell kdesdk WIP
[14:49] <ScottK> Sigh.  kscd too.  Needs cmake/modules/COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS for cmake/FindMusicBrainz3.cmake and debian/copyright fixed.
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell and debfx ^^^
[14:51] <Riddell> ack
[14:52] <ScottK> That's everything in queue.
[14:52] <Riddell> thanks
[14:52] <debfx> meaning you rejected everything? :(
[14:53] <debfx> definitely no love letters in my inbox now
[14:54] <debfx> oh
[14:54] <debfx> ScottK: please reject ffmpegthumbs again
[14:55] <ScottK> It's not there yet, but I will.
[14:56] <ScottK> debfx: Rejected.
[15:02] <debfx> working on kmix next
[15:03] <Riddell> kubuntu meeting in an hour?
[15:06] <Riddell> in here presumably since #u-m will be bust
[15:06] <Riddell> busy
[15:06] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[15:18] <ybit2> heyo Riddell 
[15:18] <ybit2> one of the biggest questions @ the southeast linuxfest was "where's ubuntu"
[15:18] <ybit2> outside of the KDE booth that is
[15:19] <Riddell> ybit2: mm?  I've no idea I'm afraid
[15:19] <Riddell> presumably the loco for the area didn't organise anything
[15:21] <ybit2> what's the meeting about?
[15:21] <ybit2> in 40 minutes
[15:22] <Riddell> kubuntu bits
[15:22] <Riddell> see agenda
[15:22] <Riddell> and anything else anyone wants to bring up
[15:25] <soee> hi
[15:26] <Riddell> hi ScottK 
[15:26] <Riddell> hi soee 
[15:26] <ScottK> Hello.
[15:26] <soee> guys anyone using the new Dolphin ?
[15:26] <soee> from 4.9.80
[15:26] <soee> *4.8.80
[15:27] <Riddell> yes
[15:28] <soee> Riddell, is it possible to change icons and text size in left section (Places)
[15:28] <soee> before it was automaticly done when resizing
[15:28] <Riddell> I've no idea
[15:28] <soee> ah ok
[15:29] <ScottK> kmix accepted.
[15:31] <ScottK> debfx: I thought you were changing the binary name in ffmpegthumbs?
[15:32] <debfx> ScottK: turns out the package already existed before 4.9
[15:32] <ScottK> OK.
[15:33] <ScottK> Looks good then.
[15:34] <ScottK> Accepted.
[15:35] <ScottK> juk accepted as well.
[15:37] <ScottK> Riddell: If Kubuntu is moving to Universe soon, we should hold off on the l10n upload so they don't get stripped.
[15:37] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm not touching l10n until universe is done
[15:38] <ScottK> Excellent.
[15:38] <ScottK> We should probably discuss not using LP translations anymore at the meeting.
[15:38] <ScottK> I don't expect it'll be controversial.
[15:38] <Riddell> there's a spec that covers that (at least in part) so it comes under the work item review
[15:40] <ScottK> Great.
[15:41] <Mamarok> soee: please file a bug on http://bugs.kde.org
[15:41] <debfx> kscd uploaded again. is there anything else missing (except audiocd-kio)?
[15:42] <ScottK> From the ones I rejected today, no.
[15:43] <Riddell> audiocd-kio is in ninjas
[15:44] <ScottK> Can you upload it to the archive?
[15:44] <ScottK> debfx: kscd accepted.  Thanks.
[15:44] <Riddell> ScottK: yep
[15:44] <ScottK> I'll review it then.
[15:45] <soee> uhm i like the new plasmoids scroller ;)
[15:54] <debfx> ScottK: bug #1013242 if you have some more time to exercise your archive admin powers
[15:54] <ScottK> Need to do some actual work for a bit ...
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger, Riddell, JontheEchidna, ScottK: council ping
[16:00] <Riddell> Kubuntu meeting!  who's all here?
[16:00] <apachelogger> ahoy ahoy
[16:01] <ScottK> pong.
[16:01] <SteveRiley> SteveRiley is alive.
[16:02] <Riddell> sabdfl no online, tsk
[16:02] <Riddell> let's start with membership
[16:02] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SteveRiley
[16:02] <ulysses> o/
[16:03] <Riddell> SteveRiley: tell us a bit about yourself and why you want to be part of kubuntu?
[16:03] <SteveRiley> more than what's on the wiki page i suppose :)
[16:04] <SteveRiley> two things that i think i could bring, based on what clay has mentioned
[16:04]  * Mamarok is here
[16:04] <SteveRiley> at kfn, we'd like to see more cross-polination between irc, the list, and the forum
[16:04] <apachelogger> a summary would be a start, see, Riddell is lazy and only reads every other sentence missing half the stuff ^^
[16:04] <SteveRiley> so i could see myself encouraging more of that
[16:05] <SteveRiley> the other would be as an evangelist of sorts
[16:05] <Riddell> SteveRiley: what attracts you to kubuntu as a distro and community compared to any of the dozens of other options out there?
[16:05] <SteveRiley> kubuntu is marvelous work. but it has a somewhat low profile
[16:05] <SteveRiley> i've spent a fair amount of my career doing technical communications, and i could bring some of that experience to kubuntu
[16:06] <SteveRiley> Riddell: when i started learning linux, ubuntu was my choice... i distro-hopped, but kept coming back mostly out of familiarity
[16:06] <SteveRiley> but i never really liked the direction canonical was going with unity
[16:07] <SteveRiley> when i saw kde on another distro, i was drawn to everything about it -- flexibility, appearance, de integration
[16:07] <SteveRiley> so in early 2011 i finally decided it was time to settle on one distro and make it my primary work environment, thus kubuntu was the natural choice
[16:08] <SteveRiley> my background:
[16:08] <Riddell> SteveRiley: how functional is the kubuntu forums community?  are they friendly, do they solve people's problems, do they keep to date with changes in kubuntu?
[16:09] <SteveRiley> oh, ok... i'll answer that first
[16:09] <SteveRiley> kfn is unlike any other linux-related forum i've seen.
[16:09] <SteveRiley> the core group of active members have exhibit a high degree of mutual respect
[16:09] <SteveRiley> people go out of their way to research and solve problems
[16:10] <SteveRiley> i know i've spent hours sometimes doing that
[16:10] <Riddell> so your testimonial says, very impressive :)
[16:10] <SteveRiley> if you look at the number of posts in each release's section, you'll see that a lot of people do migrate, and keep up with the latest
[16:10] <SteveRiley> flame wars are very rare, we admins simply won't allow it. personal attacks are forbidden
[16:11] <SteveRiley> otherwise, we are very open and don't as a rule practice censorship
[16:11] <Riddell> SteveRiley: this might be controvertial but why use kubuntu forums rather than ubuntu forums?
[16:11] <SteveRiley> even our social/casual talk forum, where religion and politics frequently come up, people exchange ideas in a civil manner
[16:12] <SteveRiley> i don't have an answer to that question, as zach and the others created the forum long before i came along
[16:12] <SteveRiley> but i'll hazard a guess:
[16:12] <SteveRiley> ubuntu forum is BIIIIIIIIIIG. 
[16:12] <SteveRiley> a number of our members have mentioned they find ubuntu forum intimidating
[16:12] <SteveRiley> we get quite a lot of windows exiles on kfn
[16:13] <Riddell> lovely, any other questions for SteveRiley?
[16:13] <SteveRiley> since we're smaller, and exhibit much more of a community feeling, they like what they see and they choose to stay
[16:13] <ScottK> Since you're a cloud person, what's your opinion on owncloud?
[16:13] <SteveRiley> riddell: re testimonies -- thanks.
[16:14] <SteveRiley> ah, owncloud
[16:14] <ScottK> I warned you.
[16:14] <SteveRiley> i looked at v3 briefly and foumd that it appeared to be a promising platform, but it had a number of basic bugs:
[16:14] <SteveRiley> php ui behaved unpredictably
[16:15] <SteveRiley> the sync clients mostly didn't work
[16:15] <SteveRiley> permissions issues abounded
[16:15] <SteveRiley> so when v4 came out, my observation was that's the version that will start taking off
[16:15] <SteveRiley> still a few glitches
[16:15] <ScottK> It would very nice if would could offer a complete FOSS solution for people who didn't want to use Google/Amazon/whatever.
[16:15] <SteveRiley> but now at 4.0.2, it's lookig very nice
[16:16] <ScottK> Riddell has packaged it, but I dare say we could use some help from a cloud oriented person making it tip top.
[16:16] <SteveRiley> being a pile of php and sql that sits on apache, you can install it anywhere
[16:16] <ScottK> Would you be able to help out with that?
[16:16] <SteveRiley> i run one on aws and one at home
[16:16] <Riddell> the current owncloud package is from debian, testing needed
[16:16] <SteveRiley> scottk: absolutely.
[16:16] <SteveRiley> i run both my ownclouds on a ubuntu server install
[16:16] <ScottK> SteveRiley: OK. Then you are now KFN person and aspiring developer.
[16:17] <SteveRiley> the biggest problem is that owncloud's documented installation procedure is wrong
[16:17] <SteveRiley> scottk: wow, thanks!
[16:17] <Riddell> well that's +1 from me for top contributions and community linking
[16:17] <ScottK> Do you use the packages or install the upstream tarball?
[16:17] <SteveRiley> i use the .deb
[16:17] <ScottK> +1 from me too.
[16:17] <ScottK> Excellent.
[16:17] <SteveRiley> thanks much, guys.
[16:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: vote?
[16:18]  * apachelogger fires up his coin flip app
[16:18] <SteveRiley> lol
[16:18] <apachelogger> the mighty app says yay +1
[16:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ?
[16:18] <Riddell> SteveRiley: welcome into membership, please e-mail me your launchpad user so I remember to add you
[16:18] <apachelogger> (it litterally says that ... I think I might have written bogus code, it always comes up with +1)
[16:19] <Riddell> you'll get a shiny @kubuntu e-mail and can put your blog on planet
[16:19] <SteveRiley> very nice. been looking forward to opportunities to join.
[16:19] <Riddell> -Emerge support partner update
[16:20] <SteveRiley> thank you, all.
[16:20] <ScottK> SteveRiley: Hang around here and let's make the owncloud packages better.
[16:20] <ScottK> Also #ubuntu-server.
[16:20] <Riddell> as many of you know a nice non-profit company called Emerge want to be a support partner for kubuntu
[16:20] <SteveRiley> indeed. that sounds like a good first bit to tackle.
[16:20] <Riddell> with any profits going back to kubuntu
[16:20] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:20] <Riddell> (not to be published widely, they don't want it announced until it's sorted)
[16:21] <Riddell> this is currently blocked on canonical writing "yes you can use the trademark"
[16:21] <Riddell> shame sabdfl isn't here, but if anyone is in contact with canonical management do politely nudge them
[16:22] <Riddell> and if there's no comments on that it brings us onto the next topic
[16:22] <Riddell> Kubuntu Council constitution https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Council
[16:22] <Riddell> we need a constitution so we can open a bank account and so canonical can make an agreement which refers to the kubuntu council
[16:23] <cjwatson> typo "quotate"
[16:23] <Riddell> well spotted
[16:23] <cjwatson> and "If a quorate is not at the meeting" isn't really English
[16:23] <Riddell> apachelogger, ScottK: as existing council members have you had a chance to read through it?
[16:24] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:24] <ScottK> Not as well as cjwatson apparently.
[16:24] <Riddell> it just defines in bank-friendly language what we already did (agreed in maverick times)
[16:24] <agateau> hey
[16:25] <agateau> is anyone working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/995815 ? I'd like to give it a try if not.
[16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: note that the entity KDE e.V. is not outlined in 1.
[16:25] <Riddell> it means we'll need a chair, treasurer and secretary which are pretty ceremonial roles except for the treasurer
[16:25] <apachelogger> agateau: meeting
[16:25] <agateau> apachelogger: oh right
[16:26] <Mamarok> Riddell: is this a call for volunteers?
[16:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Does it need something in there about how the constitution is revised?
[16:27] <Riddell> Mamarok: nope, that's the council vote which apachelogger already started
[16:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: that said ... I believe it should be mentioned that one member can only hold one of those positions
[16:27] <Mamarok> OK
[16:28] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I guess so
[16:28] <Riddell> wiki being slow so can't edit
[16:29] <Riddell> feel free to suggest something
[16:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: likewise
[16:30] <ScottK> How about "Revisions to the constitution must be pre-announced on the kubuntu-devel mailing list and approved by vote of the Kubuntu Council."?
[16:31]  * apachelogger would think that a revision ought to be carried by >3 members
[16:32] <Riddell> ScottK: added a bit about informing stakeholders "1. Revisions to the constitution must be pre-announced on the kubuntu-devel mailing list and informed the Ubuntu Community Council and other stakeholders and approved by vote of the Kubuntu Council."
[16:32] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's difficult to put a larger number, that leads to problems if people disappear
[16:32] <Riddell> which happens a lot in societies like this
[16:32]  * ScottK thought about a super-majority requirement and decided not.
[16:33] <ScottK> I think getting information out is the key.
[16:33] <apachelogger> well, a quorum is currently defined as 3/6, IMHO that ought to be 4/6 
[16:33] <debfx> maybe we should have a process to replace inactive council members?
[16:33] <ScottK> Then we'd have to define inactive?
[16:34] <ScottK> I don't think it needs to be in the constitution.
[16:34] <apachelogger> +
[16:34] <apachelogger> if >2 go MIA something ought to be terribly wrong anyway
[16:35] <ScottK> I think quorum of 3 is good.
[16:35] <Riddell> "if any council members do not make contact with the other council members project for over three months they shall be considered inactive and a vote may be organise to replace them" ?
[16:37] <ScottK> It ought to be something like do not respond to contact attempts.
[16:38] <Riddell> "if any council members do not respond to contact attempts for over three months they shall be considered inactive and a vote may be organise to replace them" ?
[16:38] <ScottK> "if any council members do respond to contact attempts by other council members project for over three months they shall be considered inactive and a vote may be organized to replace them"
[16:38] <ScottK> Mine is spelled better, but either one.
[16:38] <Mamarok> do NOT respond you mean :)
[16:38] <ScottK> Yes.  I dod.
[16:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: if a revisoinal quorum is 4 members it would enforce that at least one of the businessy members have to attend
[16:39] <ScottK> do even.
[16:39] <littlegirl> I hope you don't mind, but I fixed the "quorate" grammatical errors on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Council page.
[16:39] <apachelogger> which would then save us having to outline the process to hold a meeting
[16:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Getting three at a time is hard enough.
[16:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: how often do you plan on changing the constitution?
[16:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Approximately never, but it'll be some dire circumstance and I don't want to make it overly hard.
[16:40] <apachelogger> I am fine with 3 attendees for regular votes, not for revisions of the constituation
[16:40] <ScottK> I guess.  Not my preference, but I can live with it.
[16:40] <Riddell> thanks littlegirl 
[16:40] <littlegirl> Any time. (:
[16:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: 4 or all active members?
[16:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4
[16:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: "4 or all active members"?
[16:41] <Riddell> a simple number is liable to problems when nobody is active (been there, done that)
[16:42] <ScottK> Yep.
[16:42] <ScottK> The lesser of 4 or all active members
[16:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: yah
[16:42] <debfx> well we can replace inactive members now so adding "all active members" is imho not needed
[16:43] <apachelogger> if you need a somewhat immediate change ....
[16:43] <ScottK> Yes.  Elections take time.
[16:43] <Riddell> "The vote must include the lesser of 4 or all active members."
[16:44] <debfx> voting only takes 2 weeks
[16:44] <apachelogger> +3 months until someone can be considered inactive
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's in the previous point (12)
[16:45] <apachelogger> yes, that was regarding the 2 weeks election time not being long
[16:45] <apachelogger> you have to take into acccount that before those 2 weeks could be 3 months of not being able to carry a revision
[16:46] <apachelogger> so being able to carry it after 3 months (at the worst) seems way more reasonable than 3.5 months
[16:47] <Riddell> any more comments?
[16:48] <apachelogger> KDEev defintion
[16:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: added
[16:50] <apachelogger> looks good to me
[16:50] <Riddell> shall we vote?
[16:51] <apachelogger> +1
[16:51] <Riddell> it gets a +1 from me for nicely defining what we do anyway
[16:51] <ScottK> +1
[16:51] <ScottK> Passed.
[16:51] <Riddell> lovely, thanks all
[16:51] <Riddell> any other business?
[16:51] <apachelogger> I hope everyone voted on new council members already :)
[16:51] <ScottK> I think we should wait until the current election concludes to select the various roles.
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: closes on sunday?
[16:52] <Mamarok> apachelogger: for that I should actually get a mail to vote, still haven't got it
[16:52] <apachelogger> yes, sometime sunday when I get to close the vote (that is: when I get up :))
[16:53] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm related to the e-mail problems you reported?
[16:53] <apachelogger> currently we have 29 of 49 votes casted, which has been like this for a day or two, so I suppose everyone who is interested already voted anyway :)
[16:53] <Mamarok> I guess so
[16:53] <apachelogger> Mamarok: oho
[16:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you able to add Mamarok manually?
[16:53] <apachelogger> aye
[16:53] <Mamarok> thanks :)
[16:53] <apachelogger> Mamarok: myriam@kde.org?
[16:54] <Mamarok> yes
[16:54] <apachelogger> added
[16:54] <Mamarok> normally Launchpad should be fixed now, I hope it will not forward mails from @kubuntu.org to @ubuntu.com and vice-versa again
[16:54] <Riddell> oh
[16:55] <Riddell> spec review
[16:55] <Riddell> duh
[16:55] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q?searchtext=kubuntu
[16:55] <Riddell> shall I go through them quickly?
[16:55] <Mamarok> yes, please
[16:56] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-images 1GB images, no separate dvd
[16:56] <ScottK> Alternates?
[16:56] <Riddell> ScottK: still undecided
[16:57] <Riddell> it'll need some additions to ubiquity I think to replace all the features, which is happening on the gtk side
[16:57] <ScottK> Not sure about dropping powerpc.  We had testers for precise.
[16:57] <apachelogger> isn't ppc a ports release anyway?
[16:58] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:58] <Riddell> I'd be all for dropping alternates but I guess people will complain if ubiquity doesn't replace all the features
[16:58] <ScottK> Spec says about dropping the images.
[16:58] <apachelogger> hm
[16:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Agreed.
[16:58] <debfx> sounds good, but I think we should still aim to keep the size small.
[16:58] <apachelogger> what would we get from dropping it?
[16:58] <debfx> so we don't fill up the 1GB just because we can
[16:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: one less hassle
[16:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, if we have testers...
[16:58] <ScottK> We tried to drop the alternate the cycle you were gone and got all kinds of hate due to lack of Ubiquity features.
[16:58] <Riddell> which is lots of little hassle when compiling packages
[16:59] <apachelogger> never noticed?
[16:59] <apachelogger> what's different for ppc?
[16:59] <apachelogger> I mean, other than the odd FTBFS
[16:59] <Riddell> it's slow mostly
[16:59] <ScottK> That's true if we make images or not.
[16:59] <SteveRiley> uh, well, i like the alternate installer because i prefer advanced-mode cli, but i'll admit i'm in a small minority there
[16:59] <Mamarok> I tend to only use that one
[17:00] <apachelogger> SteveRiley: one pretty much gets the same result with netinstall
[17:00] <Riddell> feel free to add back powerpc but I won't care about it :)
[17:00] <SteveRiley> apachelogger: true.
[17:00] <apachelogger> about ppc ... I don't see the harm in having it around as long as someone but us ensures it works :P
[17:00] <apachelogger> when/if that is not the case I am all for dropping it
[17:01] <SteveRiley> apachelogger: it involves more waiting for downloads, but i tend to forget that, what with my 60 mbps comcast connection :)
[17:01] <apachelogger> SteveRiley: actually for advanced install it will mostly be faster as one can install only the stuff one really wants ^^
[17:02] <Riddell> ok I removed the drop powerpc item, and add in "powerpc is very low priority"
[17:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: +
[17:02] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-active  plasma active 3
[17:02] <SteveRiley> apachelogger: hmm... then the one time i compared them i must have done something weird... can't remember what, now.
[17:02] <Mamarok> apachelogger: what with people not having the bandwidth?
[17:02] <Riddell> assigned to rbelem
[17:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I think (re powerpc) that's good.  
[17:04] <Riddell> "script test sessions of Active with Xephyr and separate user" that's fiddly but rbelem seems to think he can do it
[17:04] <SteveRiley> for plasma active - this is another interest of mine, and i can offer up testing services using my samsung 700t
[17:04] <Riddell> "buy/obtain tablets and get to useful people to ensure testing" Darkwing got a couple of those already
[17:04] <apachelogger> Mamarok: downloading alternate or downloading netinstall+download on-the-fly requires the same bandwith
[17:04] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the Active spec needs to work item to look at the missing kde4libs patches to see if there's anything in there too insane for us.
[17:04] <Riddell> SteveRiley: excellent
[17:05] <ScottK> to work item/a work item
[17:05] <SteveRiley> looks like i'm going to have to learn this packaging stuff reall quick-like
[17:05] <Riddell> ScottK: "[kubuntu-dev] review kdelibs/base patches for potential technical issues: TODO" ?
[17:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Good.
[17:06] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-development  all in some sort of progress
[17:06] <Riddell> except for "add hooks to language kcm to list all language then install them when selected by user"
[17:06] <Riddell> which is to replace language selector which is going away (so are our language packs anyway)
[17:07] <rbelem> Riddell, related to arm images
[17:07] <ScottK> I think PyQt/PyKDE4 works with Ptyhon3 is done.
[17:07] <rbelem> Riddell, we still need omap3
[17:07] <Riddell> rbelem: why?
[17:08] <rbelem> Riddell, some tablets runs that
[17:08] <Riddell> rbelem: ones powerful enough to run plasma active?
[17:08] <rbelem> Riddell, i dont have the list on top of my head
[17:08] <Riddell> last cycle we didn't have anything to test them
[17:08] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[17:08] <Riddell> except beagle boards which aren't powerful enough
[17:08] <debfx> Riddell: some packages (at least kde4libs) will stay in main. so I think we still need the language packs.
[17:09] <rbelem> Riddell, i will list them then i will ping you
[17:09] <Riddell> rbelem: the item is "drop omap(3) image unless someone finds a use" so if you find a use that covers the item
[17:09] <cjwatson> ScottK: works for me certainly
[17:09] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[17:09] <cjwatson> ubiquity and update-manager are using it so it had better
[17:09] <Riddell> debfx: hmm, probably needs some thinking about
[17:10] <cjwatson> debfx: or maybe we should blacklist those from language pack stripping
[17:10] <cjwatson> that sounds kind of easier
[17:10] <ScottK> kde4libs won't have translations in it anyway.
[17:10] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs  has some items for Darkwing 
[17:10] <cjwatson> ScottK: there'll be a few others
[17:11] <Riddell> littlegirl: but feel free to take over, don't let others prevent you from doing useful things in docs or elsewhere
[17:11] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-future  has items already under way
[17:12] <Riddell> new council elections, constitution, move to universe
[17:13] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-packaging  has lots of things needing packaged
[17:13] <Riddell> with debfx script for package reviewing the SC packaging is much nicer
[17:13] <littlegirl> Oh, sorry, I was still playing around with https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Council which looks much better now. (:
[17:13] <ScottK> q-future work items need a bit of updating on assignees, but look good otherwise.
[17:14] <Riddell> I noticed plasma media centre is getting into a useable state so that should be looked at too
[17:14] <littlegirl> Riddell: Thanks - I appreciate the vote of confidence. I've been learning DocBook inside and out so that I'm prepared to make changes to the documentation instead of floundering around in it. (:
[17:15]  * Mamarok goes to feed the cats before they eat the cables here
[17:15] <BluesKaj> Riddell, Qt 5 (with wayland backend) , now that looks real interesting ! :)
[17:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Constitution needs to move off the wiki to kubuntu.org.
[17:15] <Riddell> ScottK: will do
[17:16] <ScottK> Riddell: We don't need Qt5 for anything for Kubuntu.  Is that really our team's work item?
[17:16] <Riddell> ScottK: it's needed to support upstream kde (in my opinion)
[17:16] <Riddell> but much can be palmed off onto canonical and linaro
[17:16] <ScottK> OK.  Fair enough.
[17:16] <ScottK> Please do.
[17:17] <BluesKaj> antway , back to work 
[17:17] <Riddell> if we just leave it up to canonical that means they might get into habits of adding random patches
[17:17] <ScottK> True.
[17:17] <ScottK> For a large value of might.
[17:18] <Riddell> any other comments or can we vote on them?
[17:18] <debfx> I just hope Qt 5 will be coordinated with Debian.
[17:19] <Riddell> debfx: by linaro I mean fabo who is debian
[17:19] <Riddell> but yes
[17:19] <Riddell> these work items are +1 from me (cos I wrote them mostly)
[17:20] <apachelogger> +1
[17:20] <littlegirl> I notice that the Precise documentation was located in the Kubuntu section here:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs while the Quantal documentation seems to be located in the Ubuntu section here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu - is that an oversight or intentional?
[17:21] <Riddell> littlegirl: the spec is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs
[17:21] <Riddell> oh I see, it's under a different project
[17:21] <Riddell> that's not important
[17:22] <littlegirl> It would be nice to have it in the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs section for semantics' sake. (:
[17:22] <Riddell> ok I can look at that
[17:22] <Riddell> but not just now I need to go out
[17:22] <Riddell> ScottK: what say you?
[17:22] <ScottK> +1 on the specs as modified.
[17:22] <littlegirl> That sounds good. (:
[17:23]  * littlegirl is still sitting on 3 documents that never got pushed into Precise.
[17:24] <Riddell> littlegirl: hmm there's probably a group you can be added to so you don't get blocked like that
[17:24] <Riddell> thanks friends
[17:24]  * Riddell must run
[17:24] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, let me know in email. (:
[17:35] <ScottK> Specs approved.
[17:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Is there anything else?
[17:40] <Peace-> aloha
[17:57] <claydoh> SteveRiley yay!
[17:59]  * ScottK declares the meeting over.
[18:03] <claydoh> Sorry I missed it, large delivery today so a very late break for me
[18:04]  * yofel had a hell of  a day and fell asleep the moment he got home -.-
[18:04] <koolhead17> y0 yofel 
[18:04] <ScottK> yofel: Then you're well rested.  You can get to work ...
[18:04] <yofel> lol :)
[18:05] <koolhead17> yofel, how is ur phone doing
[18:05] <koolhead17> Riddell, supp
[18:07] <yofel> my phone's fine... not sure what you mean
[18:08] <yofel> Riddell: another thing about alternate, rbelem wanted to keep it as it's used for offline upgrades for people with low bandwidth
[18:08] <yofel> *by people
[18:08] <yofel> SteveRiley: congrats :)
[18:09] <SteveRiley> yofel: thanks! 
[18:09] <SteveRiley> feel like i have plenty to learn (launchpad intricacies, how do to builds, that kind of thing) ... looking forward to it
[18:23] <ScottK> yofel: I just noticed the kmix short description is the same as kmix-dev.  Please fix the -dev one.
[18:23] <ScottK> (for the next upload0
[18:23] <ScottK> )/)
[18:23] <ScottK> Meh.
[18:23] <ScottK> 0/)
[18:26] <CIA-45> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kmix] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) Fix the short description of kmix-dev so it says that it's a development package
[18:26] <yofel> fixed, thanks for spotting that
[18:28] <ScottK> Riddell (or anyone else with a minute): audiocd-kio is still missing cmake/COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS and mention of the BSD license in debian/copyright.
[18:28] <ScottK> (see juk for a copy of the file to add)
[18:28] <ScottK> yofel: Can you fix ^^^
[18:30] <yofel> can do
[18:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:02] <CIA-45> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/audiocd-kio] Philip Muškovac * 12 * debian/ (changelog copyright) Add missing copyright entry for cmake/FindCdparanoia.cmake
[20:13] <jussi> bugger, missed the meeting
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> me too, $work got in the way :(
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> agateau: bug 993672
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> that's the black rectangle
[20:48] <dantti_laptop> speaking of it, it should really be removed from kded, killing that dialog kills kded, no gui should be put in kded...
[20:57] <soee> are you planning to prepare kde 4.8.90 packages for 12.04 ?
[21:00] <yofel> yes
[21:07] <Riddell> hi
[21:10] <genii-around> Is there any cure yet for battery widget thinking there's no battery?
[21:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ooh what's the work?
[21:11] <Riddell> jussi: doesn't finland have more important things to worry about today?
[21:53] <BluesKaj> BBL
[23:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Don't forget the release meeting mail ...  I"ll probably be offline most of tomorrow.