[03:44] <ajmitch> highvoltage: finally got around to replying on-list :)
[04:02] <highvoltage> ajmitch: ah, nice feedback, thanks
[04:04] <ajmitch> I should actually have some free time tonight to add the metadata back into the askubunt-lens & beg for votes again
[04:05]  * ajmitch was going to do it last night, but got caught up helping a friend with his compsci study :)
[04:06] <highvoltage> oh I could write the book on "was going to do that last night, but..."
[04:06] <ajmitch> I have this funny feeling that the majority of the ARB are a little busy right now:)
[04:06] <ajmitch> hah
[04:07] <ajmitch> yeah I got a phone call last night asking for study help, he had his exam today
[04:09] <ajmitch> how's edubuntu stuff coming along? :)
[04:10] <highvoltage> ajmitch: it's going ok
[04:10] <highvoltage> where "ok" means "quite well actually"
[04:10] <ajmitch> great
[04:10] <highvoltage> ajmitch: we finally have our zatabs ordered. I need to poke the zentyal guys to find out how the schooltool integration is going
[04:10] <ajmitch> at least someone's getting things done, I've still got a few works items to tackle :)
[04:10] <ajmitch> do you know how the ubuntu on zatab work is going?
[04:11] <highvoltage> ajmitch: we have some good package selection updates so far, still need to add a mindmapping tool, probably going with vym since all the other nice ones are in java. kubuntu got 'pairs' in the archives today so we need to add that to seeds too.
[04:12] <highvoltage> ajmitch: it's been a while since I spoke to Darkwing, I haven't seen him on IRC recently. last I heard it booted Ubuntu fine but with a black screen
[04:12] <highvoltage> ajmitch: I wouldn't be surprised if that's been fixed by now
[04:12] <highvoltage> ajmitch: you run android on yours?
[04:12] <ajmitch> yeah I've got to find out how to get an image onto the microsd & get ubuntu booting
[04:12] <ajmitch> still android on it, yes
[04:12] <ajmitch> it's a little slow at times
[04:13] <ajmitch> back in a few
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[06:55] <dholbach> ajmitch, thanks for the review
[06:56] <dholbach> ajmitch, I was quite sure that something still was broken about it, so I'll have another look :)
[06:56] <ajmitch> heh ok :)
[07:01] <dholbach> ajmitch, and thanks for the feedback on the apps-brancher bug reports
[07:02] <ajmitch> sorry I didn't file that bug that I mentioned, I was using my tablet at the time :)
[07:03] <dholbach> ah yes :)
[07:03] <dholbach> no worries
[07:03] <ajmitch> with all the branches being writable by the contributors team, we may want to think about who we let join
[07:03] <ajmitch> at the moment the only admin is dpm, I think
[07:04] <ajmitch> who shows up as soon as I mention him...
[07:05] <dholbach> ajmitch, the apps-brancher is not very clever about branches, right now it just pushes them regardless of what's in there - I saw the branches as a basis to start working on
[07:05] <dholbach> so I don't have to worry about merging things back, auto-accepting merge proposals, etc etc
[07:06] <ajmitch> dholbach: the bug about repacking .deb packages might be useful for languages like python, but we'd definitely ask for source for anything compiled
[07:06] <dholbach> ajmitch, totally
[07:06] <dholbach> ajmitch, that's why I had a look at the dotdeb backend
[07:06] <dholbach> but it seems like it still needs a bit of work
[07:06] <dpm> good morning all
[07:07] <dholbach> I looked into packaging it, so we can install it on holba.ch, but something didn't work and I had to move on to other things
[07:07] <dholbach> also there's a PDF pkgme backend which might be nice to have
[07:07] <ajmitch> .jar files would always be compiled bytecode afaik, so I think you won't need to spend effort on importing those for open source apps
[07:07] <dholbach> yes, that makes sense
[07:07] <dholbach> what I love is that we exercise all parts of the infrastructure, so that should help fixing bugs
[07:07] <ajmitch> PDFs, we currently don't handle pure-content submissions
[07:08] <dholbach> ah, good to know
[07:08] <ajmitch> the ARB (currently) has a fairly limited set of apps to approve
[07:09] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines has the summary we agreed on at the top
[07:10]  * ajmitch thinks most of the problems are people finding time to work on reviewing
[07:10] <ajmitch> thanks for the quick summary of low-hanging fruit there
[07:11] <dholbach> cool, I'm glad it's useful
[07:11] <dholbach> I'll get back to work on the vm lens in a bit
[07:11]  * ajmitch isn't entirely sure of what limitations you'd have on myapps, I don't think there are many
[07:12] <ajmitch> as someone in the contributors team, about the only thing you wouldn't be able to do is push to the PPA
[07:12] <dholbach> and that's totally fine
[07:12] <dholbach> I still feel I have to learn the ropes :)
[07:12] <ajmitch> right, just something to keep in mind for people wanting to help out, I think :)
[07:15]  * ajmitch needs to take a week off work to catch up with everything :)
[07:16] <dholbach> ajmitch, I hope we can invite some folks into helping out
[07:17] <dholbach> ajmitch, also dpm is preparing a few "app dev days" next week - maybe it'd be worth having a session about how to help the ARB
[07:17] <dholbach> or demo'ing how the average app is /opt-ified
[07:17] <ajmitch> possibly useful
[07:26] <dholbach> reboot, brb
[09:45] <dholbach> ajmitch, would you have any more use-cases for https://bugs.launchpad.net/pkgme/+bug/1013083?
[09:47] <ajmitch> dholbach: version for debian/changelog can be pulled from a few places
[09:48] <dholbach> ah yes
[09:48]  * ajmitch can't think of anything else right now
[09:48] <ajmitch> I'm sure there'll be other things that can be deduced
[09:49] <dholbach> yes, I think so too
[09:49] <dholbach> I just had a quick call with jml about the bug
[09:49] <dholbach> and I'll try to put together a hack which can deal with this maybe :)
[09:49] <ajmitch> like detecting the existence of test suites, but I think dh handles that pretty well at the moment
[09:50] <dholbach> the discussion came up in https://bugs.launchpad.net/pkgme/+bug/1004505
[09:51] <ajmitch> a whole pile of examples there :)
[09:51] <dholbach> they're all knitted the same way IIRC
[09:52] <dholbach> I think this would help turn pkgme into a swiss-army knife for packaging
[09:52] <dholbach> which would be nice
[09:52] <dholbach> forget about running dh-make, use pkgme instead :-D
[09:52] <ajmitch> people will still come up with weird & wonderful ways to structure their upstream source
[09:52] <dholbach> and then we'll improve pkgme :)
[10:08] <ajmitch> arghl dput
[10:09]  * ajmitch really has to change the default target for when arguments are passed in the wrong order
[10:26]  * ajmitch sees a 72MB submission that's most likely going to have to be rejected
[10:44] <ajmitch> dholbach: I think with your imported branches, we need a way of adding reviewer-only comments on the myapps submissions so that I can hit the queue & look at a branch linked from a comment there
[10:45] <dholbach> ajmitch, yeah, that'd be nice
[10:45] <dholbach> can you add a comment?
[10:45] <dholbach> maybe we can find a clever regex before we can talk the myapps into providing a minimal api :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:45] <ajmitch> think about what we need before we file too many bug reports :)
[10:47] <dholbach> and if we hack it together so it works and we can use it for a while and see how it works for us, it'll be easier to convince the myApps team :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> ok, I've asked for info for a few apps that had .deb submissions & sent out a nag email for votes
[10:53] <ajmitch> dholbach: do you have the appropriate superpowers to invite me to the ubuntu organisation on trello?
[10:58]  * ajmitch wonders how we should handle the diversity of (human) languages that we seem to be getting in apps :)
[12:47] <dholbach> ajmitch, awesome
[12:47] <dholbach> let me see if I do
[12:49] <dholbach> ajmitch, no, I don't think I do - but jcastro should
[12:49] <dholbach> maybe dpm too?
[12:54] <dpm> dholbach, what's up? I got disconnected and I can't read the backlog
[12:55] <dholbach> <ajmitch> dholbach: do you have the appropriate superpowers to invite me to the ubuntu organisation on trello?
[12:55] <dpm> I don't have supercow Trello powers, I'm afraid
[12:59] <dpm> jcastro has
[20:09] <ajmitch> jono: this app showdown is going to put a fair bit of pressure on getting a number of apps reviewed & published if (community) voting doesn't start until they're done
[20:10] <jono> ajmitch, what do you mean?
[20:10] <ajmitch> while it ought to be a lot easier to bash the packages into shape if they're all using quickly, we haven't had many people voting lately
[20:10] <jono> right
[20:11] <ajmitch> I like the contest idea, I just worry that it'll bottleneck on 3 or 4 of us
[20:11] <jono> so dholbach is going to help grow arb-helpers to get people helping with any packaging issues (should be minimal as we require quickly), but yeah, it will require the ARB to be responsive to votes
[20:11] <jono> I am sure we can expedite it fairly quickly though
[20:11] <jono> I think it will be awesome to bring all these new apps in :-)
[20:12] <ajmitch> we'll just have to work hard to clear the current queue as much as possible before then
[20:13]  * ajmitch should really run off to work before he's late :)
[20:13] <ajmitch> I'll be back online in a few
[20:39] <ajmitch> so I guess I probably won't be able to enter the competition? :)