[00:04] <sapiens> hello :)
[00:05] <sapiens> I have a question...
[00:06] <sapiens> I'm quite new, so some things may be harder for me to understand :)
[00:07] <sapiens> but I want to install flightgear on the beagleboard
[00:07] <sapiens> I have an xm, rev c
[00:07] <sapiens> I installed ubuntu 11.04 on it
[00:08] <sapiens> ubuntu 11.04 r7 minimal armel...
[00:08] <infinity> sapiens: That's not an official Ubuntu image.
[00:09] <infinity> sapiens: For starters, I'd suggest an official 12.04 image.
[00:09] <infinity> Oh, at which point, you'll find out that flightgear doesn't work on ARM...
[00:09] <sapiens> infinity, I'd like to, but I need to have the openscenegraph installed
[00:10] <sapiens> how come it doesn't work?
[00:10] <infinity> Because of the lack of openscenegraph, as you note.
[00:10] <sapiens> well... I have it installed on 11.04
[00:10] <sapiens> ;)
[00:11] <sapiens> It installed good with the synaptic
[00:11] <infinity> Yeah, and flightgear is also in 11.04
[00:11] <infinity> I have no idea if either actually works.
[00:11] <sapiens> I can boot it too
[00:11] <micahg> hrm, openscenegraph looks like it just needs one of those GL fixes
[00:11] <infinity> Oh, I see, it's GL/GLES fallout.
[00:11] <sapiens> but when in subsystems... I have a nasal runtime error
[00:11] <GrueMaster> sapiens: You would see better performance with 12.04 armhf.
[00:11] <infinity> So, yeah, OSG on natty will work, but it won't have any hardware acceleration.
[00:12] <infinity> GrueMaster: Yeah, but no openscengraph or flightgear on 12.04, so it's a moot point for him. :P
[00:12] <sapiens> :)
[00:12] <infinity> It's going to suck anyway.
[00:13] <infinity> No hardware acceleration, and I can't imagine it'll be "fast" with software rendering.
[00:13] <micahg> hrm, if it's the same issue in precise, it's SRUable :)
[00:13] <micahg> and it looks to be that way
[00:13] <infinity> micahg: "one of those GL fixes", you say?  You say this as if you've done some QTGL->GLES porting.
[00:13] <micahg> infinity: no, but I've seen other people's patches :)
[00:14] <infinity> micahg: Well, I look forward to seeing yours, then. :)
[00:14] <micahg> I keep telling myself one of these days I'll figure them out
[00:15] <sapiens> ok, but seriously... I have these nasal runtime errors
[00:15] <micahg> I guess at this point in Debian's release cycle there's no chance of GLES on arm for Debian
[00:15] <sapiens> how can I fix them :)
[00:15] <infinity> sapiens: "nasal runtime errors" means nothing to me.
[00:15] <infinity> micahg: Nope.
[00:16]  * micahg passes sapiens a tissue
[00:16] <infinity> micahg: And it'll be a bit of an uphill battle to convince people to do it, since our motivation is binary drivers.
[00:16] <sapiens> lol
[00:16] <infinity> micahg: In Debian, if no one cares about binary drivers, it's just crazy extra work to have one port use GLES.
[00:17]  * infinity is still really annoyed that GLES even exists and wasn't just, say, GL1.2
[00:17] <infinity> Would have been so much simpler if it had been a strict subset (or older version), instead of what it is. :/
[01:32] <waltermixxx_> howdy
[01:45] <waltermixxx_> howdy, I just installed the latest 12.04 ubuntu for beagleboard xM and I'm not getting any sound...
[01:46] <waltermixxx_> dummy output is listed in the sound control panel, play sound through....
[01:49] <waltermixxx_> initrd.img version 3.2.0-24-omap
[01:49] <waltermixxx_> if that helps
[01:51] <infinity> waltermixxx_: Probably needs someone to write a ucm profile for it.  I don't have an xM.
[01:51] <infinity> waltermixxx_: See the profiles in /usr/share/alsa/ucm/ for other boards.
[01:51] <waltermixxx_> ok will check that out
[01:52] <infinity> waltermixxx_: And /lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-ucm.rules is where they get loaded.
[01:53] <waltermixxx_> no beagle in there
[01:53] <waltermixxx_> just panda pandaes spd4430 and tegraalc5632
[01:54] <infinity> waltermixxx_: That's sort of my point.
[01:54] <waltermixxx_> i understood that, simply confirming :)
[01:55] <waltermixxx_> should ubuntu be so slow on this board?
[01:55] <waltermixxx_> not slow all the time
[01:55] <infinity> Everything should be slow on that board.
[01:55] <waltermixxx_> lol
[01:55] <waltermixxx_> :)
[01:55] <infinity> Also, running from SD is awful.
[01:55] <waltermixxx_> yes I saw the swap file on it
[01:55] <infinity> If you have a USB hard drive, I *highly* recommend installing to it.
[01:55] <infinity> (using a d-i netboot image)
[01:55] <waltermixxx_> just put the boot files on the sd and put the rest on the usb drive
[01:55] <infinity> We're dropping the preinstalled images in quantal for this very reason.
[01:56] <infinity> It's an awful user experience.
[01:56] <waltermixxx_> i understand.
[01:56] <waltermixxx_> so sound isn't happening any time soon?
[01:56] <waltermixxx_> i suspect I don't need sound
[01:56] <infinity> You could probably make sound go yourself with minimal effort.  And if you do, I'd happily integrate the patch in Ubuntu.
[01:56] <waltermixxx_> not sure I need a gui at this point... but it's nice to have another working sd image :)
[01:57] <infinity> But I have no xM of my own to fiddle with, so..
[01:57] <infinity> Not much I can do.
[01:57] <waltermixxx_> i appreciate the advice...
[01:57] <infinity> If you don't need a GUI, start with a server image, you'll be much happier with the speed.
[01:57] <infinity> Our default GUI environment kinda eats all your RAM.
[01:57] <waltermixxx_> :)
[01:57] <waltermixxx_> i think that is a good idea
[01:57] <waltermixxx_> the server images available where I got the desktop image....
[01:58] <waltermixxx_> ?
[01:58] <waltermixxx_> that was a question :)
[01:58] <waltermixxx_> and the ones listed there, they don't have a gui?
[01:58] <waltermixxx_> Ideally I just want a basic web server,  and something to mess with gpio's
[01:59] <waltermixxx_> i have a Trainer xM for beagle board
[01:59] <waltermixxx_> hoping to light up some leds
[01:59] <waltermixxx_> :)
[01:59] <waltermixxx_> (people get so excited about that... me included...)
[01:59] <waltermixxx_> starts there and then a dog treat dispencer....
[01:59] <waltermixxx_> with a web interface :)
[02:00] <waltermixxx_> does the server image on the site come with apache?
[02:00] <waltermixxx_> and python?
[02:00] <waltermixxx_> or would I simply do a get-apt install apache
[02:00] <waltermixxx_> kinda thing...
[02:00] <waltermixxx_> you may be able to tell, I'm a linux nubee
[02:00] <waltermixxx_> :)
[02:03] <waltermixxx_> is it easy to take the sd card that I currently have and move the linux install onto a usb hard drive?
[02:03] <infinity> waltermixxx_: Oh, sorry.  Got distracted.
[02:03] <waltermixxx_> np
[02:03] <waltermixxx_> :)
[02:03] <infinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap.img.gz
[02:03] <waltermixxx_> awesome...
[02:03] <infinity> Alternately, if you have an external HDD (do you?), you should try a netboot image.
[02:04] <waltermixxx_> i think i saw some instructions on that
[02:04] <infinity> Not much to instruct.
[02:04] <infinity> http://mirrors.0c3.net/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/20101020ubuntu136/images/omap/netboot/
[02:05] <infinity> Grab either boot.img-fb.gz or boot.img-serial.gz (depending on if you're using a keyboard and monitor, or a serial console), zcat the image to an SD card, and boot.
[02:05] <infinity> It'll install the OS to your hard drive, and the kernel and bootloader to the SD.
[02:05] <waltermixxx_> wicked
[02:05] <infinity> As for what's included in a barebones server install, the answer is "not much", but the whole archive is available to you.
[02:06] <infinity> So, "apt-get install apache2", etc.
[02:06] <waltermixxx_> keyboard and monitor
[02:06] <waltermixxx_> so boot.img-fb.gz
[02:06] <infinity> Right.
[02:08] <waltermixxx_> http://mirrors.0c3.net/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/20101020ubuntu136/images/omap/netboot/  does not want to open...
[02:08] <infinity> Oh, hahahaha.
[02:08] <infinity> That would have worked better if it wasn't my local mirror.
[02:08] <infinity> s/mirrors.0c3.net/ports.ubuntu.com/
[02:09] <infinity> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/20101020ubuntu136/images/omap/netboot/
[02:09] <waltermixxx_> thank you... that works
[02:09] <infinity> I really should punch a hole for that mirror from the outside, since I make that mistake so often. :P
[02:09] <waltermixxx_> np :)
[02:09] <waltermixxx_> i appreciate the correction
[02:11] <waltermixxx_> the uncompressed boot.img-fb file
[02:12] <waltermixxx_> i zcat that to the sd card
[02:12] <infinity> Well, the compressed one.
[02:12] <waltermixxx_> oh no need to uncompress it, that's right
[02:12] <infinity> zcat boot.img-fb.gz > /dev/sdX
[02:12] <waltermixxx_> :)
[02:12] <infinity> Whatever X is your card reader.
[02:12] <waltermixxx_> mmcblk0
[02:12] <waltermixxx_> :)
[02:12] <infinity> Or that. :)
[02:13] <waltermixxx_> once I boot from it, will it give me the choice of what I want to install on the external drive?
[02:13] <waltermixxx_> server or desktop?
[02:14] <waltermixxx_> gonna try it now.
[02:14] <infinity> It'll just be serverish, IIRC.
[02:15] <infinity> You could preseed it to do desktop (or install ubuntu-desktop later), but since that's what we're trying to avoid... ;)
[02:16] <waltermixxx_> server I think is what I am after :) and a slim line server sounds good
[02:22] <waltermixxx_> i took some notes on the above,  and will give it a shot when I find an external hd that is powered by external power adapter and not via usb
[02:22] <waltermixxx_> hmmm
[02:22] <waltermixxx_> I may try it first on an 8 gig usb stick
[02:22] <waltermixxx_> that should work... for testing...
[02:22] <waltermixxx_> boot from sd, and install on 8 gig usb stick?
[02:25] <infinity> waltermixxx_: Yeahp, that works.
[02:25] <infinity> waltermixxx_: That's how I test the installer when I don't have a spare hard drive to kill.
[02:25] <infinity> waltermixxx_: It's obviously not going to be fast, though still a bit better than SD, in most cases.
[02:27] <waltermixxx_> ok cool
[02:27] <waltermixxx_> thanks again for your assistance :)
[03:48] <codinho> Hi guys
[03:48] <codinho> is gstreamer works with ducati in 12.04 ?
[03:50] <twb> Your car is running ubuntu?
[03:51] <twb> Er, motorcycle
[03:53] <codinho> twb I mean omap4 ducati
[03:53] <twb> Never heard of it
[03:53] <twb> But AFAIK Ubuntu works well on omap4 generally
[03:54] <codinho> Ducati is hardware accelerator for image processing and video/audio decode/encode
[03:55] <twb> Oh.  Well I don't know, sorry :-)
[03:55] <heathkid> anyone here runnning ubuntu on an ARM with a USB wifi adapter that works 100%?
[03:55] <twb> heathkid: define "100%
[03:55] <heathkid> as in it actually works and is reliable
[03:56] <heathkid> doesn't work for a few hours or a day and then stop working...
[06:05] <codinho> is it possible to install ubuntu-omap-extras-multimedia from trunk ppa on 12.04?
[14:46] <ppisati> if anyone has an idle panda board and an empy sd card, could you try to reproduce lp1013204? thanks
[14:46] <ppisati> bug 1013204
[14:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1013204 in linux-ti-omap4 "Serial losing characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013204
[14:51] <mythos> ppisati, erm, so you loose chars over a serial-console
[14:51] <mythos> which char is missing?
[14:52] <mythos> i mean, in your bugreport
[14:54] <mythos> and you know, that with the default settings (http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/Serial_Port_Settings) it's not unusual, that bits are not transfered right?
[14:57] <ppisati> any kind of characters
[14:58] <ppisati> just type and you'll see that some won't get through
[14:58] <ppisati> some times it works, some times it won't
[14:58] <ppisati> on armel
[14:58] <ppisati> on armhf everyhing is ok
[14:59] <mythos> maybe they use another baudrate?
[14:59] <ppisati> identical
[15:00] <ppisati> 115200n8
[15:00] <mythos> so... which ubuntu should i use?
[15:00] <mythos> 11.10?
[15:01] <mythos> oh, i see 12.04 armel
[15:02] <mythos> i'm going to try it later
[15:02] <ppisati> the simplest way to reproduce it
[15:02] <ppisati> get the O omap4 preinstall
[15:02] <ppisati> once you finished with the installation, let it reboot till the serial console
[15:02] <ppisati> then paste a long line of text and see what happens
[15:03] <mythos> i'm going to try it in an hour or so
[15:08] <mythos> but first i have to go home ;)
[15:10] <ppisati> mythos: i updated the bug with a comment about reproducing the problem
[15:12] <ogra_> and make sure the insulation of your cable has no cracks, might be that the chars are dripping out through it :P
[15:12] <ogra_> what a weird bug :)
[15:12] <ppisati> yes it is
[15:12] <ppisati> i swapped hw
[15:12] <ppisati> cables
[15:12] <ppisati> sd cards
[15:13] <ppisati> distributions
[15:13] <ppisati> kernels
[15:13] <ogra_> serial terminal app ?
[15:13] <ppisati> now i want someone else to reproduce it
[15:13] <ppisati> nope
[15:13] <ppisati> i'm using cu
[15:13] <ppisati> well
[15:13] <ppisati> it works with my amrhf installation
[15:13] <ogra_> well, did you try screen or minicom ?
[15:13] <ppisati> so should work with armel
[15:13] <ogra_> oh, ok
[15:13] <ppisati> nope
[15:13] <ogra_> well, who cares ... its armel :P
[15:14] <ppisati> :)
[15:15] <ppisati> ogra_: if you can devote and sd card to the cause, i would love it
[15:15] <ppisati> i want someone else to say "yes, i've it too"
[18:37] <ppisati> my bad
[18:38] <ppisati> the sd that i used was actually a preinstalled system were i used to mess on
[18:38] <ppisati> :P
[18:38] <ppisati> mythos: ^
[18:38] <ppisati> ogra_: ^
[18:38] <mythos> ppisati, so i don't have to? :O
[18:39] <ppisati> nope
[18:39] <ppisati> forget about it
[18:39] <mythos> hurray \o/
[18:39]  * ppisati feels really stupid now