[01:44] <AmberJ> Err... http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ says "Not found"!
[01:46] <AmberJ> In fact, links/articles under "Knowledge Base" section on that^ page were also giving a UbuntuWiki 404 error ~10 minutes ago...
[03:31] <ajmitch> micahg: there's a MOTU meeting in ~12 hours, right?
[03:32] <micahg> ajmitch: I guess so :)
[03:33] <ajmitch> looks like one of the outstanding items from last time was decide on a time & a meeting chair on the mailing list :)
[03:36] <micahg> hrm, I still need to write the expiration policy
[06:15] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: advance apologies, I'm mostly-offline, sailing
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[06:55] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[06:55] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[06:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: so we were just discussing before, is there a MOTU meeting this week? :)
[06:57] <dholbach> ah yes
[06:57] <dholbach> it should be today
[06:57] <dholbach> why do I have to do all these announcements and everything? :)
[06:58] <ajmitch> sorry, I didn't want to announce it before it could be confirmed
[06:58] <ajmitch> & you did take the action item last time ;)
[06:58] <dholbach> no no - I was just kidding
[06:58] <dholbach> the discussion about alternate meeting times didn't go anywhere, did it?
[06:58]  * ajmitch doesn't recall
[06:59] <ajmitch> I doubt I'll be at the meeting though :)
[06:59] <dholbach> that's only reasonable :)
[06:59] <dholbach> ah yes, nobody replied to the question
[07:00] <ajmitch> sorry about that, I should have spoken up & suggested a time that suited me
[07:00] <ajmitch> with no opposition, I'd be fine every meeting :)
[07:00] <dholbach> I'm happy for us to change the meeting times
[07:00] <dholbach> I just don't know where to
[07:01] <dholbach> but for today I reckon we shouldn't change the time :)
[07:02] <ajmitch> rotating times only works if there are enough people in each time slot
[07:03] <dholbach> I'm sure that UTC morning works for some parts of Asia/Oceania and Europe, so I wouldn't mind trying it out
[07:16] <geser> good morning dholbach, good evening ajmitch
[07:16] <ajmitch> hi geser
[07:16] <geser> is there something at the agenda for the MOTU meeting at all?
[07:16] <ajmitch> show up & talk about stuff?
[07:19] <dholbach> hey geser
[07:19] <dholbach> I'd like to talk about the next bug fixing initiative
[07:19] <dholbach> we had quite a number of bugs fixed in the last one and it might be good to prepare this one
[07:20]  * micahg had an idea for one of those, but forgot what that was
[07:47] <dholbach> ajmitch, maybe you can reply on the "meeting times" thread? :)
[09:11] <Laney> YAY STUFF
[12:31] <AmberJ> REPOST: Err... http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ says "Not found"!
[12:31] <AmberJ> In fact, links/articles under "Knowledge Base" section on that^ page were also giving a UbuntuWiki 404 error
[12:32] <AmberJ> Is it just me who is seeing those^ 404 errors on Ubuntu Packaging wiki page
[12:54] <tumbleweed> dpm: ^
[13:00] <dpm> thanks tumbleweed, looking...
[13:00] <dpm> dholbach, the packaging guide seems to have died ^
[13:00] <dpm> looking at the logs to see if I can see anything
[13:00] <dholbach> hum
[13:00] <dholbach> thanks
[13:01] <dholbach> let me know if I can help any
[13:01] <dholbach> ...or if you guys broke something in the WP setup :-P
[13:02] <dpm> the packaging/ folder that contains the docs seems empty
[13:02] <dpm> let me try to run the script
[13:02] <dholbach> don't forget the environment variables :)
[13:03] <dpm> :)
[13:05] <dpm> dholbach, could this point to missing files in the natty packaging guide package? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1040718/
[13:05] <dholbach> it could - let me try to reproduce locally
[13:06] <dpm> ok. I need to run for lunch now, but I can look at the backlog every now and then
[13:06] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[13:21] <dholbach> dpm, I fixed the script
[13:22] <dholbach> dpm, there is still some breakage with singlehtml, but that needs to be fixed in the guide itself and I think asomething was on it
[13:29] <dholbach> dpm, if you pull and run again, html, epub and pdf should be happy again
[13:44] <dpm> dholbach, tumbleweed, AmberJ, ok, the packaging guide has been brought back to life ;)
[13:44] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[13:47] <AmberJ_> Thanks!
[14:17] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[14:44] <paultag> is andreserl here?
[14:44] <dholbach> paultag, meet roaksoax
[14:44] <paultag> dholbach: thanks buddy :)
[14:44] <dholbach> de nada
[14:46] <paultag> roaksoax: just got your mail to pkg-javascript -- since the same policy also governs node apps, etc, how were you thinking about covering that? Branch node / javascript (web) policy? I'm actually wondering :)
[14:47] <paultag> roaksoax: I like your idea a lot, and I've been thinking of something similar, but I've never really suggested anything.
[14:48] <paultag> unless node apps had their own node home with symbolic links to the correct versions, and somehow overload node.js to preset the node path
[14:48] <paultag> that'd be pretty cool. but anyway, food for thought.
[14:52] <roaksoax> paultag: can we swtich this conversation to #maas?
[14:52] <roaksoax> paultag: as actually shipping versions came from there
[14:53] <paultag> roaksoax: gladly
[15:08] <bregma> I have a package in Debian unstable that was removed from Ubuntu a few releases ago, so it doesn't get autosynced...  what do I need to do to get it back into Ubuntu?
[15:18] <ScottK> bregma: What package?
[15:18] <bregma> ember, and ember-media
[15:25] <ScottK> bregma: I'm looking into it.
[15:25] <bregma> thanks
[15:27] <ScottK> bregma: I've removed it from the sync blacklist, so the next time we sync new packages it should come in (that's not done every day).
[15:30] <bregma> excellent, thank you
[15:57] <dholbach> MOTU Meeting in 3m?
[16:02] <dholbach> we're in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:31] <YokoZar> mhall119: ping
[17:35] <mhall119> YokoZar: hey there, I was told you might be able to help answer questions about packaging Windows apps with wine
[17:36] <mhall119> I'm looking for someone who can be a mentor/point of contact for somebody writing a pkgme backend for windows apps
[17:38] <YokoZar> mhall119: Right, that's exactly me.  Hell I might even do it for you.
[20:04] <ajmitch> darn, I missed the MOTU meeting
[20:32] <highvoltage> eek, me too
[20:35] <Laney> BAD
[20:37]  * micahg wonders what Laney doesn't like
[20:37] <micahg> ajmitch: we're welcoming kubuntu into the universe
[20:37] <Laney> slack ajmitch and highvoltage :P
[20:40] <ajmitch> Laney: I'm sorry, I'll do penance
[20:44] <iulian> Hehe.
[20:46] <ScottK> If Laney's angry about slacking ajmitch, he'll need to get used to it ...
[20:47]  * micahg thinks that comment needs an asterisk
[20:48] <ScottK> Hey, ever since we ditched boost on xnox, he's had it easy.
[20:48] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:48] <ScottK> (better)
[20:48] <ajmitch> people are harsh here, I think I'm going outside
[20:50]  * micahg hugs ajmitch
[20:51] <ScottK> ajmitch: JFTR, I've had it easy since we ditched boost on xnox too.
[20:52] <ScottK> Now there's a nice version number: http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/pycryptopp/pycryptopp-0.6.0.1206569328141510525648634803928199668821045408958.tar.gz
[20:52] <micahg> that's probably close to the limit
[20:53] <micahg> (for packages at least)
[21:06] <directhex> is that... a decimal version of a git commitid?
[21:26] <ajmitch> micahg: fwiw I had been looking at asterisk & trying to see if it could just be a straight sync, made a bit more difficult by some of the changes carried forward not having explanations in the changelog
[21:27] <micahg> ajmitch: I was just implying that you do take care of things in a pinch ;)
[21:27] <ajmitch> :P
[21:27]  * ajmitch wants to drop the armhf patch & see if it builds, since it's not required in debian
[21:27] <micahg> sorry, thought that was a better title than slacker
[21:28] <micahg> ajmitch: depends what it fixes, Debian's arm* builds behave slightly different (and are only on gcc-4.6 ATM)
[21:29] <ajmitch> -     linux-gnueabi)
[21:29] <ajmitch> +     linux-gnueabi*)
[21:29] <ajmitch> that's the entirety of the patch now
[21:29] <micahg> err, not behave, but don't have the same quirks due to various stack differences
[21:29] <micahg> hrm, not sure
[21:30] <ajmitch> previous merge removed some parts of that patch that looked to be done upstream
[21:31]  * ajmitch needs that armhf setup at home
[21:31] <micahg> ajmitch: are you not a DD?
[21:31] <ajmitch> yes, but you said that there are toolchain differences
[21:31] <ajmitch> so testing on debian (where we know it works) isn't useful
[21:32] <micahg> ah, (pbuilder-dist in a home dir on a Debian machine?) :D
[21:32] <ajmitch> & I've got an ARM tablet sitting beside me that I need to get ubuntu working on :)
[21:33]  * ajmitch could just get Laney to do it
[21:33] <Laney> sadly not
[21:33] <ajmitch> you're no fun
[21:33] <Laney> would if I could :(
[21:33] <Laney> ask in #-arm
[21:34]  * ajmitch will have to leave anything involved until tonight
[23:15] <ScottK> micahg: Debian/Ubuntu armhf are much more similar than armel.
[23:19] <micahg> ScottK: hrm, yes, just slightly, Debian still has no GLES and is using gcc-4.6