[01:44] Err... http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ says "Not found"! [01:46] In fact, links/articles under "Knowledge Base" section on that^ page were also giving a UbuntuWiki 404 error ~10 minutes ago... === ssweeny is now known as sweeny === sweeny is now known as ssweeny [03:31] micahg: there's a MOTU meeting in ~12 hours, right? [03:32] ajmitch: I guess so :) [03:33] looks like one of the outstanding items from last time was decide on a time & a meeting chair on the mailing list :) [03:36] hrm, I still need to write the expiration policy === jalcine is now known as Jacky === Zic is now known as Zic_ === Zic_ is now known as Zic__ === Zic__ is now known as Zic [06:15] ajmitch: advance apologies, I'm mostly-offline, sailing [06:53] good morning [06:55] morning dholbach [06:55] hey ajmitch [06:56] dholbach: so we were just discussing before, is there a MOTU meeting this week? :) [06:57] ah yes [06:57] it should be today [06:57] why do I have to do all these announcements and everything? :) [06:58] sorry, I didn't want to announce it before it could be confirmed [06:58] & you did take the action item last time ;) [06:58] no no - I was just kidding [06:58] the discussion about alternate meeting times didn't go anywhere, did it? [06:58] * ajmitch doesn't recall [06:59] I doubt I'll be at the meeting though :) [06:59] that's only reasonable :) [06:59] ah yes, nobody replied to the question [07:00] sorry about that, I should have spoken up & suggested a time that suited me [07:00] with no opposition, I'd be fine every meeting :) [07:00] I'm happy for us to change the meeting times [07:00] I just don't know where to [07:01] but for today I reckon we shouldn't change the time :) [07:02] rotating times only works if there are enough people in each time slot [07:03] I'm sure that UTC morning works for some parts of Asia/Oceania and Europe, so I wouldn't mind trying it out === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:16] good morning dholbach, good evening ajmitch [07:16] hi geser [07:16] is there something at the agenda for the MOTU meeting at all? [07:16] show up & talk about stuff? [07:19] hey geser [07:19] I'd like to talk about the next bug fixing initiative [07:19] we had quite a number of bugs fixed in the last one and it might be good to prepare this one [07:20] * micahg had an idea for one of those, but forgot what that was [07:47] ajmitch, maybe you can reply on the "meeting times" thread? :) [09:11] YAY STUFF === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === Guest34040 is now known as Zic === LordOfTime is now known as TheLordOfTime === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [12:31] REPOST: Err... http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ says "Not found"! [12:31] In fact, links/articles under "Knowledge Base" section on that^ page were also giving a UbuntuWiki 404 error [12:32] Is it just me who is seeing those^ 404 errors on Ubuntu Packaging wiki page [12:54] dpm: ^ [13:00] thanks tumbleweed, looking... [13:00] dholbach, the packaging guide seems to have died ^ [13:00] looking at the logs to see if I can see anything [13:00] hum [13:00] thanks [13:01] let me know if I can help any [13:01] ...or if you guys broke something in the WP setup :-P [13:02] the packaging/ folder that contains the docs seems empty [13:02] let me try to run the script [13:02] don't forget the environment variables :) [13:03] :) [13:05] dholbach, could this point to missing files in the natty packaging guide package? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1040718/ [13:05] it could - let me try to reproduce locally [13:06] ok. I need to run for lunch now, but I can look at the backlog every now and then [13:06] thanks dpm [13:21] dpm, I fixed the script [13:22] dpm, there is still some breakage with singlehtml, but that needs to be fixed in the guide itself and I think asomething was on it [13:29] dpm, if you pull and run again, html, epub and pdf should be happy again === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [13:44] dholbach, tumbleweed, AmberJ, ok, the packaging guide has been brought back to life ;) [13:44] http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ [13:47] Thanks! [14:17] thanks dpm [14:44] is andreserl here? [14:44] paultag, meet roaksoax [14:44] dholbach: thanks buddy :) [14:44] de nada === med_ is now known as medberry === medberry is now known as med__ [14:46] roaksoax: just got your mail to pkg-javascript -- since the same policy also governs node apps, etc, how were you thinking about covering that? Branch node / javascript (web) policy? I'm actually wondering :) === med__ is now known as med_ [14:47] roaksoax: I like your idea a lot, and I've been thinking of something similar, but I've never really suggested anything. [14:48] unless node apps had their own node home with symbolic links to the correct versions, and somehow overload node.js to preset the node path [14:48] that'd be pretty cool. but anyway, food for thought. [14:52] paultag: can we swtich this conversation to #maas? [14:52] paultag: as actually shipping versions came from there [14:53] roaksoax: gladly === med_ is now known as med_out === med_out is now known as med_away === med_away is now known as med_ [15:08] I have a package in Debian unstable that was removed from Ubuntu a few releases ago, so it doesn't get autosynced... what do I need to do to get it back into Ubuntu? [15:18] bregma: What package? [15:18] ember, and ember-media [15:25] bregma: I'm looking into it. [15:25] thanks [15:27] bregma: I've removed it from the sync blacklist, so the next time we sync new packages it should come in (that's not done every day). [15:30] excellent, thank you [15:57] MOTU Meeting in 3m? [16:02] we're in #ubuntu-meeting [17:31] mhall119: ping [17:35] YokoZar: hey there, I was told you might be able to help answer questions about packaging Windows apps with wine [17:36] I'm looking for someone who can be a mentor/point of contact for somebody writing a pkgme backend for windows apps [17:38] mhall119: Right, that's exactly me. Hell I might even do it for you. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:04] darn, I missed the MOTU meeting [20:32] eek, me too [20:35] BAD [20:37] * micahg wonders what Laney doesn't like [20:37] ajmitch: we're welcoming kubuntu into the universe [20:37] slack ajmitch and highvoltage :P [20:40] Laney: I'm sorry, I'll do penance [20:44] Hehe. [20:46] If Laney's angry about slacking ajmitch, he'll need to get used to it ... [20:47] * micahg thinks that comment needs an asterisk [20:48] Hey, ever since we ditched boost on xnox, he's had it easy. [20:48] ;-) [20:48] (better) [20:48] people are harsh here, I think I'm going outside [20:50] * micahg hugs ajmitch [20:51] ajmitch: JFTR, I've had it easy since we ditched boost on xnox too. [20:52] Now there's a nice version number: http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/pycryptopp/pycryptopp-0.6.0.1206569328141510525648634803928199668821045408958.tar.gz [20:52] that's probably close to the limit [20:53] (for packages at least) [21:06] is that... a decimal version of a git commitid? [21:26] micahg: fwiw I had been looking at asterisk & trying to see if it could just be a straight sync, made a bit more difficult by some of the changes carried forward not having explanations in the changelog [21:27] ajmitch: I was just implying that you do take care of things in a pinch ;) [21:27] :P [21:27] * ajmitch wants to drop the armhf patch & see if it builds, since it's not required in debian [21:27] sorry, thought that was a better title than slacker [21:28] ajmitch: depends what it fixes, Debian's arm* builds behave slightly different (and are only on gcc-4.6 ATM) [21:29] - linux-gnueabi) [21:29] + linux-gnueabi*) [21:29] that's the entirety of the patch now [21:29] err, not behave, but don't have the same quirks due to various stack differences [21:29] hrm, not sure [21:30] previous merge removed some parts of that patch that looked to be done upstream [21:31] * ajmitch needs that armhf setup at home [21:31] ajmitch: are you not a DD? [21:31] yes, but you said that there are toolchain differences [21:31] so testing on debian (where we know it works) isn't useful [21:32] ah, (pbuilder-dist in a home dir on a Debian machine?) :D [21:32] & I've got an ARM tablet sitting beside me that I need to get ubuntu working on :) [21:33] * ajmitch could just get Laney to do it [21:33] sadly not [21:33] you're no fun [21:33] would if I could :( [21:33] ask in #-arm [21:34] * ajmitch will have to leave anything involved until tonight [23:15] micahg: Debian/Ubuntu armhf are much more similar than armel. [23:19] ScottK: hrm, yes, just slightly, Debian still has no GLES and is using gcc-4.6