[00:01] <webpigeon> gebbione: spaces mark the end of a command and start of an argument, put \ before the space and you should be okay :)
[00:02]  * webpigeon thinks...
[00:02] <diddledan> careful, that's dangerous
[00:02] <diddledan> :-p
[00:02] <diddledan> thinking I mean
[00:03] <webpigeon> diddledan: indeed
[00:03] <webpigeon> not thinking is more dangerous most of the time though ^^
[00:04] <diddledan> the quotes will allow spaces in defining the alias, but you need to allow the space on the commandline when it's expanded out, so you need either three \ characters before the space OR the quotes as you have them and a  single \ before the space
[00:07] <webpigeon> intresting, I tried creating the alias here (admidlty without the folder) and the alias seemed to work (told me the full path didn't exist)
[00:07] <diddledan> hmm, mayhaps I'm wrong?
[00:07] <diddledan> wouldn't surprise me :-p
[00:09] <webpigeon> I can't be 100% sure either way
[00:49] <gebbione> my aliases disappear after i close the terminal
[00:49] <gebbione> where can i save them permanently
[00:50] <gebbione> .profile?
[00:50] <diddledan> .bash_aliases
[00:51] <diddledan> ref: .bashrc line 94
[00:58] <gebbione> added it there i hope it ll work in my next login
[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:19] <mattt> woo, morning
[07:19]  * mattt is tired today, and is trying to counterbalance with some enthusiasm
[07:44] <daubers> Morning
[07:48] <dwatkins> hiya folks
[07:51] <daubers> So the hospital told me yesterday that my brain isn't trying to eat itself. This appears to be good news
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> daubers: yay
[07:54] <christel> that sounds like good news indeed!
[07:55] <daubers> Yup. They still don't know why I've lost part of my vision though.
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> daubers: not even a wild guess?
[07:56] <daubers> Nope! They thought it was either MS or something causing pressure on the back of my eye/optic nerve. An MRI scan later has disproved both of those
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> I assume they checked for detached retina etc. as well?
[07:58] <daubers> Yup. It's part of my visual field missing which normally rules out a detatched retina
[07:58] <daubers> (apparently)
[07:59] <DJones> Is it affecting your work or are you able to carry on as normal
[07:59] <mattt> daubers: jeez, scary
[08:00] <daubers> DJones: having the results now means I can carry on as normal! It's just the inside edge of my peripheral vision is missing (so I don't really notice it until I'm playing squash or something)
[08:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:00] <daubers> czajkowski: o/
[08:01] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:01] <DJones> daubers: Thats good, hopefully means driving is also ok, they seem to get a bit (understandably) pick with vision problems and driving
[08:03] <daubers> DJones: Yeah, until it's a certain percentage of your vision then it's ok (apparently) and it's only my left eye that's gone weird
[08:03] <mattt> daubers: hope it's something transient
[08:04] <daubers> mattt: We'll see. It's hung around for just over a month now. Got to be retested in 6 months.
[08:04] <DJones> hope it settles down and clears
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01jqjl5/The_Turing_Solution/
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> ^ BBC Radio Four about Turing
[08:08] <davmor2> morning all
[08:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: you're on early
[08:14]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski 
[08:18] <czajkowski> see now you're just going to confuse people
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> ^ also about Bletchley Park and Enigma etc.
[08:25] <dwatkins> I went to Bletchley Park a couple years ago, it's a great day out.
[08:25] <directhex> yes.
[08:25] <directhex> also, it's near ikea, so you can buy a LEKTORP while you're at it
[08:26] <dwatkins> I tried to buy an EFFETTIV but they have discontinued it, so I bought a 2nd hand plinth from their returns department and sawed it up to make the shelf I wanted.
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> or LACK 19" cabinet^Wtable
[08:27] <dwatkins> I keep walking past shops and seeing the EXPEDIT units in the windows.
[08:28] <dwatkins> They're everywhere, I tell you! ;)
[08:28] <directhex> dwatkins, EXPEDIT is iconic
[08:28] <directhex> and also fabulous
[08:28] <dwatkins> Yeah, I have three of them myself.
[08:28] <directhex> i love the idea of a standardized square internal space, which can be transferred between units
[08:28] <dwatkins> 2x2, 2x4 and 4x4
[08:28] <mattt> i had one of those shelves, they were heavy as can be
[08:29] <dwatkins> Building the 4x4 was not easy. I don't think I have enough floor space to make a 5x5.
[08:29] <directhex> matti, not really, they're all cardboard construction
[08:29] <directhex> dwatkins, i have a 5x5, and the discontinued last-gen 5x5 tv. the baby's room has two 2x4
[08:29] <dwatkins> oh, it's 4x5, actually, perhaps I would. I wonder if you can put that long side vertical
[08:29] <dwatkins> ah yes, there is no 4x5
[08:29] <dwatkins> clearly I need moar coffee
[08:38] <bigcalm_laptop> Good morning kids :)
[08:38]  * dwatkins ponders putting shelving units together vertically to take advantage of his 12-foot ceiling
[08:38] <dwatkins> hiya bigcalm_laptop
[08:43]  * bigcalm_laptop pokes davmor2 viciously
[08:43]  * davmor2 hugs bigcalm_laptop sounds like he needs it
[08:47]  * czajkowski peers at this hugging davmor2 
[08:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!! see that's what happens when I'm nice it freaks people out :D
[08:49] <czajkowski> it's nor normal I tell you
[08:49] <directhex> ali1234, i got my own bastion build :D
[08:49] <directhex> https://twitter.com/humblesupport/status/213179642553708544
[08:50] <digicomm> i love humble bundle
[08:50] <directhex> digicomm, 15 hours before that tweet...
[08:50] <directhex> 13-06-2012 18:16:42 > directhex: urkle, good news is: 360 pad works, fullscreen works. bad news is: fullscreen only works when turning *off* fullscreen, fullscreen on = windowed. off = fullscreen
[08:51] <directhex> 14-06-2012 00:15:29 < urkle!~urklegnom@adsl-75-46-95-87.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net: directhex: WHAT!! are you serious?
[08:51] <directhex> 14-06-2012 01:05:06 < urkle!~urklegnom@adsl-75-46-95-87.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net: directhex: Thanks for the report!  I've got it fixed now..
[08:52] <digicomm> that's not how i would expect to have gone fullscreen...
[08:52] <czajkowski> directhex: hows the new addition
[08:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[08:54] <digicomm> good morning!
[08:54] <directhex> czajkowski, keeping us awake
[08:54] <Linuxisyourfrien> When someone says
[08:58] <digicomm> i have an ubuntu related question which someone here may have an answer to - i'm looking to edit a bit of video, nothing extensive, just a few transitions and a voiceover. does anyone have any recommendations as to a good video editing suite in ubuntu?
[08:58] <JamesTait> digicomm: Openshot is the first name that springs to mind.
[08:59] <gord> i use kdenlive all the time its great
[08:59] <gord> stay away from pitivi
[08:59] <Linuxisyourfrien> You have not beeuse pitivi
[08:59] <Linuxisyourfrien> I mean, use pitivi
[09:00] <JamesTait> I haven't done a lot of video editing, mind, so I couldn't give any idea of how good it is in relation to other packages.
[09:00] <JamesTait> I used pitivi a long time ago, when it was still very young. I should give it another look.
[09:01] <gord> pitivi will crash and you'll lose all your stuff and it will frustrate you. that seems to be about all it does
[09:02] <digicomm> Thanks for the suggestions, I appreciate it. I've heard about Openshot but not used it before, and I've just taken a look at the kdenlive website. It looks quite good!
[09:03] <digicomm> Openshot looks nice to use, going by the website
[09:03] <gord> pretty much, openshot has less features and video editing niceities, but its designed more around being easier to use
[09:05]  * AlanBell hugs openshot
[09:06] <bigcalm_laptop> gord: where are you?
[09:17] <DJones> Have I gone back/foward in time to April 1st ? http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/46114/vodafone-booster-brolly-charges-phone-improves-signal
[09:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:29] <davmor2> Oi gord YUNOTLUVUS?
[09:30] <gord> ha, i totally forgot AND i thought it was wednesday
[09:30] <gord> apparently its not
[09:30] <gord> such a nice day for it too
[09:33] <bigcalm_laptop> gord: I forgot that it was a workplace day when I woke up. Arrived 20+ mins late due to traffic
[09:33] <bigcalm_laptop> Working from home has its advantages
[09:44] <DJones> Wonder how much these people charge for people using IE6 http://goo.gl/LNFt9 An online retailer planning on charging IE7 users and extra 7%
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> DJones: VERY good idea :)
[09:46] <popey> thats excellent
[09:53] <mattt> bigcalm_laptop: i hate traffic
[10:04] <gord> if i went to a website and it told me it would charge me more for using firefox say, i think i would just use a different website instead of changing browser
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> If everybody did it, there would be cries of discrimination
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> If one can do so against a bit of software
[10:07] <popey> surely it's just a marketing thing
[10:07] <popey> kogan isn't exactly a well known brand
[10:09]  * bigcalm_laptop grumbles at the Kogan tablet
[10:37] <oimon> have you seen people on facebook posting disclaimers on their profile ?
[10:37] <popey> no
[10:37] <oimon> http://www.snopes.com/computer/facebook/privacy.asp
[10:37] <popey> oh, yes
[10:37] <popey> i have
[10:38] <popey> i am pondering stripping down my facebook account to family/friends only
[10:38] <popey> i have loads of ubuntu people on mine
[10:38] <oimon> I use g+ for that
[10:38] <popey> yeah
[10:38] <oimon> i have no work employees on my fb
[10:38] <oimon> i don't want to be judged by colleagues on my personal life
[10:40] <popey> hah
[10:40] <oimon> or pre-judged
[10:40] <BigRedS> q
[10:40] <BigRedS> oops
[10:46] <czajkowski> hmm how does one create a list on fb or is it so in front of me I cant see it
[10:46]  * mrevell_ is now intrigued by oimon's personal life.
[10:46] <oimon> so are my colleagues
[10:46] <mrevell> :)
[10:48] <oimon> one of them said the other day "are you a mormon or something"
[10:48]  * czajkowski posts random odd stuff to facebook and so far my boss doesnt think I'm any weirder than before :) 
[10:48] <czajkowski> mrevell: :)
[10:48] <mrevell> hah :)
[10:50] <oimon> i also don't want colleagues to be jealous of my beautiful wife and kid :0o
[10:51] <oimon> of course everyone thinks his own wife is the most beautiful woman in the world..
[10:52] <popey> they do?
[10:52] <popey> poor delluded fools
[10:53] <popey> my wife is the most beautiful woman who decided to accept my marriage proposal
[10:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mine's pretty hot but Kylie Minougue, or Amy Pond would get my vote 1st :-)
[10:53] <popey> heh
[10:54] <popey> Kylie Pope you mean.
[10:54] <oimon> i have a secret crush on amy pond
[10:54] <popey> "secret" you say?
[10:54] <oimon> however not the real acteress
[10:54] <popey> in a publicly logged irc channel;
[10:56] <czajkowski> lol
[10:57] <shauno> this should be a silly question, but what's the path to grub.cfg?  (I know I should be able to find it, but if I could boot, I wouldn't be looking for it :)
[10:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> shauno: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[10:58] <shauno> cheers
[11:00] <shauno> doing some pretty depraving things with grub-efi trying to get this thing to boot :)
[11:29] <shauno> hm.  it's still not having it.  I managed make the screen go purple tho, which is further than normal
[12:25] <kvarley> popey: To get a shell you could add ssh to the bootcmd.txt file and then see if you can get your shares to work from there
[12:27] <popey> ta
[12:32] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[12:33] <dogmatic69> o/
[12:34] <brobostigon> o/
[12:35] <HazRPG> o/
[12:36] <MooDoo> ooo i feel all popular :)
[12:37] <oimon> can anyone recommend a good syslog server? i.e a centrallised syslog linux server that maybe also has a nice web app to show and filter the logs?
[12:46] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[12:46] <davmor2> AYUP MooDoo
[12:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: how's it hanging lad
[12:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: Meh you know like that with a little of this thrown in for good measure
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I know one.. let me find it
[12:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: that good eh!
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> oimon: http://logstash.net/
[12:52] <oimon> great, cheers, will look at this
[13:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: ah but well you know how it goes
[13:00] <oimon> MartijnVdS, have you used it?
[13:05] <diplo> ali1234: Just like to say thanks for your script, didn't use it but it put me in the right direction and have mine working now
[13:07] <diplo> If you do oimon - share your thoughts, I've been meaning to try something like this
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I haven't but our sysadmins have
[13:11] <oimon> looks flippin awesome
[13:11] <oimon> just watching the video presentation
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> Good :)
[13:18] <chturne> Anyone here know of companies in the UK that sell laptops with no OS? I've seen novatech, but they don't sell any laptops with a decent screen resolution. I vaguely remember Dell doing this, but can no longer find the offer on their site.
[13:18] <DJones> hi chturne This might be a useful link for you looking for a computer with no operating system http://nakedcomputers.org/
[13:19] <chturne> Lenovo used to sell laptops with FreeDOS, but that's temporarily unavailable now.
[13:19] <chturne> DJones, I looked through the website, but some of the information is out of date now (the lenovo & Dell deals I just mentioned, I was pointed to it from that site :-()
[13:20] <DJones> Ah well, thought it was worth mentioning
[13:20] <chturne> And obviously it's much more common for the companies to be selling desktops with GNU/Linux rather than laptops.
[13:22] <chturne> I was advised from a sales rep at laptopsdirect.co.uk that the OEM only charges about £5 per unit for the Windows OS (due to the number of computers they install Windows on), but I found this dubious at best, since I've heard stories of people rejecting the EULA and getting upwards of 80 euros back.
[13:22] <chturne> I can't really be bothered with the hassle of rejecting the EULA though.
[13:22] <ali1234> it's true
[13:22] <ali1234> it works like this:
[13:22] <ali1234> the OEM pays $80 to microsoft for windows
[13:23] <ali1234> then, they get paid $75 to install all the trial software like norton, psp, and all the other junk
[13:23] <directhex> chturne, only apple have decent laptop resolutions now ;)
[13:23] <chturne> Oh interesting, I always wondering why they inflicted that shit on the users.
[13:23] <directhex> microsoft actually have a programme for crapware-free computers
[13:23] <directhex> "Microsoft Signature"
[13:23] <ali1234> yes, it costs $99
[13:24] <directhex> is a pc with only windows on it
[13:24] <ali1234> i will do it for $98.99
[13:24] <directhex> http://signature.microsoft.com/
[13:24] <directhex> "Many new PCs come filled with lots of trialware and sample software that slows your computer down—removing all that is a pain, so we do it for you! Every PC the Microsoft Store sells is put on a software diet and performance is tuned to run the best it can. "
[13:24] <AlanBell> retailers call them "incremental revenue opportunities"
[13:24] <AlanBell> and are somewhat miffed that Ubuntu doesn't provide them
[13:25] <chturne> I don't care about the crapware as I'll just be wiping the disk and reinstalling an OS. I find it irksome that I'll be paying for an OS I'm not going to use. But if it's just £5, maybe I should worry about it too much.
[13:25] <chturne> *shouldn't
[13:25] <ali1234> you should just buy a second hand laptop
[13:25] <AlanBell> the retailer gets a cut when people convert trialware, so they stuff on kaspersky and dodgy office suites.
[13:26] <chturne> Mm, I always worry about that route, ali1234.
[13:26] <davmor2> chturne: you can look at Linux emporium but you will pay a premium
[13:26] <chturne> I have good & bad experiences with it.
[13:26] <diplo> Or System76 ship to the UK now?
[13:26] <ali1234> second hand laptop from a quality manufacturer will cause you less problems than a brand new one from a rubbish manufacturer
[13:27] <brobostigon> anyways, cant you buy a machine with windows, and then get the licence cost refunded. ?
[13:27] <chturne> davmor2, ouch, that doesn't seem to be saving any money, like you mention. I've no problem buying the laptop from lenovo myself and installing GNU/Linux, don't need a middleperson :)
[13:27] <dwatkins> brobostigon: yeah, a colleague of mine did that a few years ago as she ran OpenSuSE.
[13:28] <brobostigon> dwatkins: ah, could be a solution for chturne then.
[13:28] <chturne> brobostigon, I think it's a massive hassle to reject the EULA though
[13:28] <dwatkins> brobostigon: I suspect they expect few enough people to do it they aren't losing a lot of money
[13:28] <brobostigon> chturne: maybe, but it would be a solution,
[13:28] <chturne> Indeed.
[13:29] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i would agree, in the overall scheme of things.
[13:30] <chturne> Thanks for the input everyone. Sad times that I can't just chose no OS from every OEM. :'-(
[13:31] <dwatkins> chturne: they have deals which sometimes preclude them from offering blank PCs, I gather
[13:31] <chturne> dwatkins, yes, I've heard they're sometimes pressured into these matters. I can't blame the OEMs I suppose.
[13:32] <dwatkins> chturne: yeah, if 98% of their customers want Windows, and the other 2% mostly want Windows and Linux, I can understand it.
[13:33] <ali1234> i've only ever bought owned one computer than came with a legit windows license, it was the first and last
[13:37] <chturne> ali1234, where do you suggest shopping for 2nd hand laptops?
[13:39] <ali1234> at computer fairs, if they still exist, or take a gamble on ebay
[13:39] <ali1234> a lot of people sell them when windows breaks these dys
[13:41] <chturne> I'm quite tempted to just bite the bullet and get a macbook pro :D
[13:41] <ali1234> yes, do it
[13:43]  * dwatkins agrees as he has a 13" MBP
[13:44] <dwatkins> if you really want a PC or laptop for running windows, either consider dual-booting a Macbook, or have a look at Dell's outlet which sometimes has some good bargains.
[13:46] <chturne> dwatkins, yeah. The follow worry is probably *completely unfounded*, but I sometimes worry with Apple that in a few months the Macbook ProPro will come out and completely obsolete my purchase.
[13:47] <ali1234> it came out two days ago
[13:47] <dwatkins> chturne: if your purpose is to have the latest model, then yes, but there's no need to do that if you just want a computer to use as a tool.
[13:47] <chturne> ali1234, hmwat?
[13:48] <dwatkins> one reason Apple's stuff is more expensive is that it's quite well specced, so it'll still be useable for many years as a machine comparable to PC-type laptops
[13:49] <oimon> although not upgradeable or fixable
[13:49] <ali1234> http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC976LL/A do it
[13:49] <oimon> the RAM is soldered onto the latest incarnation
[13:49] <chturne> 15 in mb pro, 2.6 quad core i7, 8 GiB RAM, 750 GiB hard disk = £1528.80. This will probably last me for the next 7 years, as I all I really do is read documents and code.
[13:49] <dwatkins> oimon: I was quite surprised about the latest model, I gather it's to keep them as small as possible. My 2010 one has replaceable RAM, and I've upgraded the hard disk.
[13:50] <oimon> i bought a laptop from dell outlet for £500 4 years ago which still feels quite new
[13:50] <oimon> included 3yr support
[13:50] <dwatkins> I got 4 GB of RAM, which is plenty unless I start running multiple virtual machines. The hard disk is both the most likely to fail and the first thing I'd want to upgrade in a laptop.
[13:50] <ali1234> the new thing has SSD only
[13:50] <ali1234> you can't replace it
[13:51] <dwatkins> indeed, ali1234 - I was surprised at that move
[13:51] <directhex> you can't add ram to the new mac
[13:51] <dwatkins> directhex: indeed, it's soldered to the motherboard, presumably to keep the machine small
[13:51] <directhex> but if you run windows on it, you can use a fast usb stick and windows ReadyBoost(tm) technology!
[13:51] <chturne> haah
[13:52] <ali1234> does windows even support 16GB?
[13:53] <dwatkins> if you're running on x64, yeah - you can have up to 192 GB RAM
[13:54] <dwatkins> 2 TB if you're running Windows Server 2008 Datacenter or Enterprise, apparently.
[13:54] <dwatkins> s/2008/2008\ R2/
[13:58] <diplo> Quite like the look of logstash oimon / MartijnVdS
[13:58] <diplo> ta, will give that a go tomorrow/next week i think
[13:58] <oimon> working on getting it running here
[13:59] <diplo> oh, cool lmk then :)
[14:03] <ali1234> has anyone seen the new accomplishments thing working?
[14:03] <AlanBell> ye
[14:04] <AlanBell> yes, I have
[14:04] <ali1234> it's forgotten all the accomplishments i had before, and won't give me any new ones
[14:04] <AlanBell> there is #ubuntu-accomplishments with people who might be able to fix that
[14:04] <AlanBell> cielak and jono
[14:07] <dwatkins> logstash gets +1 internet points for an amusing mascot
[14:15] <shauno> I really don't get the backlash over soldered ram.  seems fud's the same game in every camp
[14:17] <dwatkins> shauno: people like to have the option of upgrading or repairing their RAM or hard disk
[14:18] <shauno> their 16GB option is 30euro more than the same thing from crucial.  and that's as far as the chipset goes
[14:19] <shauno> and the ssd is removable.  there'll be third-party variants in short order; exactly the same thing happened with the air
[14:19] <dwatkins> yeah, I think it's because it's the Macbook Pro, not the Air (which it's expected for because of the size)
[14:20] <dwatkins> there's removable and easily replaced, of course - I was able to buy a Seagate hybrid SATA 2.5" hard disk and fit it without taking my laptop to a shop for this to be done
[14:21] <shauno> I think I'm actually getting closer to getting ubuntu booted.  the screen goes black and the fans go nuts, so something must be alive
[14:23] <ahayzen> Hi, Was just browsing http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ and noticed that i am logged in on wordpress as 'Joey Sneddon'... thats not good right? Andy
[14:25] <dwatkins> ahayzen: how can you tell you're logged in as Joey?
[14:25] <ahayzen> in the wordpress bar at the top
[14:25] <ahayzen> it says 'Howdy, Joey Sneddon'
[14:25] <dwatkins> I see the same, but when I go to edit my profile, I get the login screen.
[14:25] <ahayzen> same
[14:26] <dwatkins> probably just a template error
[14:26] <dwatkins> I'm sure he'd be glad if you pointed it out, though
[14:26] <ahayzen> dwatkins: After going that it has now gone back
[14:26] <ahayzen> what is the best way to contact him?
[14:26] <dwatkins> hooray :)
[14:27] <popey> "Joey-Elijah Sneddon" <joeysneddon@gmail.com>,
[14:27] <ahayzen> thanks
[14:27] <popey> np
[14:27] <ahayzen> seems after you click edit my profile it sorts itself out
[14:28] <mgdm> if they're using a cache like Varnish or something, that can happen too
[14:55] <shauno> This really is getting odd.  I can boot into rescue mode just fine.  Booting regular doesn't appear to get past grub
[14:57] <dogmatic69> I have a network pretty much like http://i.imgur.com/95hZB.png (awesome drawing, I know)
[14:58] <dogmatic69> How can I open up the webserver to outside and not the rest?
[14:59] <shauno> does it need to be the whole machine? simple portforwarding to the required services would seem most easiest
[14:59] <dogmatic69> I guess that would do
[15:00] <dogmatic69> so just forward 80 to the server.
[15:00] <shauno> gosh, 'most easiest' .. I used to speak english :(
[15:00] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:01] <gord> most easiest is perfectly cromulent english
[15:01] <dogmatic69> Not that I am a network expert, but was thinking to somehow have the webserver on a different ip range
[15:01] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: your router would have to suppert a DMZ for that to work
[15:02] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: is it worth it?
[15:03] <gord> dogmatic69, thing of it this way, the router blocks all incoming connections to all ip ranges by default, all you are doing by port forwarding is opening one that directly routes to that computer and no others
[15:03] <dogmatic69> that is what I read about a while ago, thanks. Just forgot the name
[15:03] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: if you're opening up port 80 and other people will be able to save to your webserver (e.g. write their own php scripts) then it might be worth considering, but if you're just serving up flat, dumb html, it's not something I'd worry about.
[15:04] <dogmatic69> gord: cool, so it is safe to assume that if only 80 was forwarded and ssh was on 22 there would be no way (besides normal file inclusion or other web hacking) that they would be able to gain access?
[15:05] <dogmatic69> well its php, but should be pretty secure. also it will mostly be behind http auth as well, along with not actually being linked around the web
[15:06] <dwatkins> well, if you're running Tomcat 6 or below you might have some security holes to worry about
[15:07] <dwatkins> apache should be fine, so long as it's configured to listen only on port 80
[15:07] <gord> dogmatic69, yup
[15:07] <dogmatic69> I use cherokee
[15:08] <dogmatic69> it will mostly be to host client stuff while being developed, saves having to deploy demos all the time
[15:11] <TheFred> hello
[15:24] <grogoreo> hi
[15:26] <grogoreo> The tab button on my laptop has broken, is it possible to change the mapping so Alt-GR or 'Right Click' button is tab instead?
[15:30] <BigRedS> grogoreo: generally, yes. But I can't remember how to do it, though :(
[15:31] <BigRedS> the common one is to swap caps-lock and escape, so a bit of googling for that should get you there
[15:31] <grogoreo> Ta BigRedS, I'll have a look
[15:33] <gord> grogoreo, if you are using unity, you can use ccsm to configure the unity plugin and change the key bindings for alt tab
[15:36] <grogoreo> gord, I'm using Gnome 3 but have seen xmodmap so seeing if that'll help.Ta
[15:37] <gord> grogoreo, oh, well then just open the keyboard settings, you can change the shortcuts there
[15:52] <scoobymad555_> hey guys, anyone able to give me a little help? i'm a noob that's in over my head a bit (courtesy of being let down by someone). Think I have probs with my network config but not really sure where to start! Trying to get multiple path iscsi working to a freenas hosted target and getting an error saying that the ubuntu end can't resolve the host but it then goes on to do it anyway and then tells me it can't add the portal or the targe
[15:52] <scoobymad555_> t record. The freenas side is ok as tested with an ms laptop and working.
[16:38] <DJones> AlanBell: Is this of any interest to you? http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/375148/the-fight-to-see-my-pc
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> http://open.spotify.com/album/2uxIbwxVNfzaauqlycPlII
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^
[16:49] <AlanBell> DJones: yeah, that is interesting
[16:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Pick you up about 06:30 ok?
[16:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> well 18:30 to be more correct
[16:53] <DJones> AlanBell: I thought it might be useful
[16:54] <DJones> Certainly for the accessibility team, give a number of insights that people wouldn't think about
[17:02] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: yup, that would be great
[17:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK see you on 30mins
[17:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\on\in
[17:03] <AlanBell> DJones: they have been thought about :)
[17:05] <AlanBell> DJones: mostly features that exist in compiz or are better on Ubuntu than windows, and all features that the unity team have broken in some way or other
[17:05] <AlanBell> they are mostly un-broken now though
[17:17] <DJones> AlanBell: I would love to get my wifes uncle using Ubuntu, he's registered blind, still has some vision though, but with him living in newcastle, a 5 hour drive each for support isn't sustainable
[17:17] <bigcalm> Ello
[17:17] <DJones> Jello
[17:18] <Azelphur> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-1844097 winning :D
[17:19] <DJones> 404?
[17:19] <bigcalm> Bello
[17:19] <DJones> Don't shout :)
[17:21] <Azelphur> hmm
[17:21] <Azelphur> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18440979 oops, cut the last number off
[17:22] <DJones> Saw that earlier, its quite a good idea
[17:22] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:24] <DJones> Just needs somebody like amazon (as a big online retailer) to do something similar to see if it gets anywhere
[17:24] <DJones> kogan aren't exactly a well know, hi-calibre distributor
[17:25] <Azelphur> indeed :p
[17:26] <DJones> I wondered what percentage they added to IE6 based orders
[17:28] <DJones> Maybe if you use IE6 to order something, you get a full refund to help you buy a computer capeable of running a "modern" browser
[17:34] <webpigeon> If you use IE6 you get a free subscription to a job agency of your choice... DJones
[17:36] <DJones> webpigeon: s/job agency/insane asylum/
[17:37] <webpigeon> DJones++
[17:40] <diplo> evening all
[17:44] <Azelphur> haha
[17:59] <diplo> We still have people on Fifrefox 1 to our sites
[17:59] <diplo> and IE6 about 2-3%
[17:59] <lazarus_> skype finally got updated
[17:59] <diplo> Told boss i won't support 6 anymore, and maybe 7
[17:59] <diplo> but 8 should be our limit
[18:01] <ging> is there an issue with flush for firefox on ubuntu at the moment?
[18:42] <zleap> hi
[19:39] <bigcalm> How does one specify which key to use when signing a file?
[19:39] <bigcalm> (gpg)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: from the manpage:
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> The key to be used for signing  is chosen  by  default  or  can  be  set  with the --local-user and --default-key options.
[19:42] <bigcalm> That worked, ta
[19:42] <bigcalm> I did look though the man page, but didn't actually understand most of it :)
[19:43] <bigcalm> That's the Ubuntu CoC signed
[19:46] <bigcalm> Why am I struggling to find a link to the freenode CoC?
[19:46] <ali1234> because they don't have one?
[19:46] <ali1234> only this http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[20:03] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/18441163 i have to start watching this show
[20:30] <dwatkins> Things not to talk about on the DVD commentary....
[22:20] <meet> how long does upgrading to 12.04 from 11.10 take? i am done with the download packages step.
[23:03] <diddledan> sorry about the zz_diddledan clones I forgot to turn off my "other" system
[23:27] <Azelphur> ali1234: got my G19 open atm, this board looks like it's in a rather bad state o.O https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120615_002420.jpg
[23:27] <Azelphur> it looks like it's been burned or something, o.O
[23:27] <ali1234> someone went crazy with the flux pen
[23:27] <ali1234> it's not really a problem
[23:27] <ali1234> you can clean it off with acetone if you want
[23:28] <Azelphur> fair enough
[23:28] <Azelphur> I got my multi meter out which I have no idea how to use anyway, haha
[23:29] <Azelphur> it's got 3 sockets on it for the probes, COM (-) which I assume is for the black lead
[23:29] <Azelphur> but then on the other side it has two sockets
[23:29] <Azelphur> DC10AM (10A MAX) akd V - Ohms - A (1000V MAX)
[23:29] <ali1234> COM is ground
[23:29] <Azelphur> and*
[23:30] <ali1234> well you won't be measuring amps so use the other one
[23:32] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120615_003052.jpg there we go that'll make it easier :P
[23:32] <Azelphur> I want the bottom left and bottom right since I'm measuring volts not amps?
[23:33] <Azelphur> and probably the 30V setting?
[23:34] <ali1234> yes. 10V
[23:34] <Azelphur> ye 10v xD
[23:34] <ali1234> the power supply is 5V right?
[23:34]  * Azelphur checks
[23:35] <Azelphur> yup 5v
[23:35] <ali1234> ok you see that big chip with the middle leg unconnected? that is probably the main voltage regulator
[23:35] <ali1234> check the voltage across it
[23:35] <ali1234> black probe on the bottom leg, which is cnnected to the ground plane, and red on the top leg
[23:36] <ali1234> it should read 5V or maybe 3.3V
[23:36] <Azelphur> ok I need to be powered on for that I assume
[23:36] <ali1234> actually forget that
[23:37] <ali1234> that's a fat transistor, it's probably the thing that controls thebacklight power
[23:38] <Azelphur> not sure what a transistor is, also not getting anything from those pins
[23:38] <ali1234> is the backlight on?
[23:38] <gebbione> nslookup is not returning a response for a domain i added in my hosts file, do i need to reload something to make it aware of the hosts changes?
[23:38] <Azelphur> yup
[23:39] <ali1234> gebbione: you shouldn't do, no
[23:39] <Azelphur> gebbione: shouldn't have to, try dig
[23:39] <diddledan> nslookup and dig bypass the hosts file
[23:39] <diddledan> they go direct to DNS
[23:39] <Azelphur> typing colemak on a qwerty keyboard is fun xD
[23:39] <ali1234> dig doesn't, nslookup does
[23:40] <ali1234> Azelphur: does the keyboard stop working when it is only connected on usb?
[23:40] <gebbione> dig returns both the dns response as well as the details from hosts i think
[23:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: with the mains power out? the keyboard itself works but all the extra features power down (extra buttons, LCD, etc)
[23:41] <ali1234> yes, but does it crash?
[23:41] <diddledan> ali1234, I think you're wrong about dig
[23:41] <diddledan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041648/
[23:41] <ali1234> diddledan: yeah, you're right
[23:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm confused, if you unplug the mains power, the keyboard turns off
[23:41] <Azelphur> then nothing is powered up to crash xD
[23:41] <ali1234> Azelphur: but does it crash??
[23:41] <ali1234> so when it crashes, you can still type?
[23:42] <Azelphur> yes when it crashes I can still type
[23:42] <Azelphur> the keyboard is independent of the extra stuff
[23:42] <ali1234> then the fault isn't on that board
[23:42] <Azelphur> it has a built in USB hub
[23:42] <Azelphur> ok
[23:42]  * Azelphur photos more boards
[23:42] <ali1234> trace where the LCD board gets power from
[23:43] <ali1234> it might go through a regulator on that board or it might come directly from the PSU
[23:43] <diddledan> heh, I suppose it was only time before keyboards started crashing independently to the host system :-p
[23:44] <Azelphur> I think it comes direct from the PSU
[23:44] <ali1234> this keyboard runs linux
[23:44] <Azelphur> there's a red wire that appears to come from the power cable and head off in the LCDs direction
[23:44] <ali1234> what about usb data?
[23:44] <ali1234> that must go through the hub board
[23:45] <Azelphur> looks like there's another board directly below the board you have a photo of
[23:45] <Azelphur> because the USB ports are directly underneath that board
[23:45] <ali1234> probably
[23:45] <ali1234> i can see where they are connected to the top board
[23:46] <ali1234> hmm there's a capacitor missing off the board
[23:46] <ali1234> C1 next to that ribbon cable
[23:46] <ali1234> that probably isn't good
[23:46] <Azelphur> that board is double sided, there's lots more fun on the bottom
[23:46] <Azelphur> o.O
[23:47] <Azelphur> you have a capacitor that I don't?
[23:47] <ali1234> maybe, maybe not
[23:47] <ali1234> but there's empty pads
[23:47] <ali1234> and the pads have solder on them
[23:48] <Azelphur> I see
[23:48] <ali1234> sometimes they leave out components to be cheap, but it might also have just not soldered on properly at the factory
[23:48] <Azelphur> I can't see any components floating around inside
[23:48] <Azelphur> so I'd imagine it's the former rather than the latter
[23:48] <ali1234> you wouldn't
[23:48] <Azelphur> oh?
[23:48] <diddledan> the board itself may be a multi-product board and they just put the relevant components for each model ignoring the rest
[23:51] <Azelphur> I took a bunch more photos, uploading now
[23:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/3832397/1/g19?h=ba2ed7