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jrwrensnap-l: that ugly code was python i bet :p00:18
rick_hhah00:19
snap-ljrwren: It was, but it was an ugly problem accompanying it.00:22
snap-lflattening the data from severalrows to add more columns in a spreadsheet00:23
snap-lThis code was designed for taking one spreadsheet and putting it into another spreadsheet00:23
snap-l"Great news! We have increased your Internet download speed from 8Mbps to 15Mbps at no additional charge to you. In order to get the new speed you just need to reboot your cable modem. Please follow the steps below to reboot your modem:"10:45
snap-lbrb10:45
snap-lAnd now off to speedtest.10:52
snap-lBah, almost 2Mb up10:53
snap-lBut 15.92Mb down10:55
snap-lI'll take it. :)10:55
snap-lI wonder when my bill will b adjusted, since I have until 2013 with this current contract. :)10:56
rick_hdamn, nice stuff11:20
snap-lhttps://sales.wowway.com/OnlineStore/PricingAndPackaging.aspx11:22
snap-lApparently this is across the board11:22
rick_hnice11:22
snap-lIt's either 2mbps basic, or 15mbps11:22
rick_h15 is nice, and 2 up is better than my 1.511:23
snap-lWell, it's 1.8ish11:23
rick_hstill, good stuff11:23
snap-lYeah, nice thing to wake up to this morning. :)11:24
rick_hI feel the sudden urge to buy something from over seas: http://goo.gl/sH8m511:32
snap-lYeah, that spread like wildfire last night11:35
snap-lBut, he has a point. I think it's brilliant11:36
rick_hyea, I'm a big fan of that idea.11:36
rick_hIn some way you justify and get to really track the impact on business11:37
rick_hand provide a monetary incentive for people to upgrade their crap11:37
MaskedDrivermorning11:37
rick_hderekv: http://backstage.soundcloud.com/2012/06/building-the-next-soundcloud/11:38
rick_hget your JS on baby! :)11:38
snap-lhttp://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920021452.do?code=DEAL11:41
snap-l156 pages of pure erlang goodness11:41
rick_hshhhh, don't tempt me11:42
rick_hI've stayed away so long11:42
shakes808good morning11:42
shakes808http://www.flashingdeals.com/deals/redbox-free-first-night-game-blu-ray-or-dvd-rental11:49
nullspacesnap-l: sounds like a docis 3.0 upgrade...12:09
nullspacerick_h: did you get your new lappy up and runnign yet?12:09
rick_hnullspace: yea, spent last night maxing my mifi setting it up12:10
rick_hI pulled together the docks/etc yesterday so just want to make sure I've got my stuff off and I'll clean it up12:10
nullspaceI'm just interesting in hearing you brag about your new lappy12:17
nullspaceinterested...12:17
rick_hah, yea posted the pic some initial notes: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=10456412:18
rick_hit's nice so far, speed is good, new ssd is good stuff, fast, still not sure I'm sold on the keyboard...but time will tell12:18
derekvrick_h, yea they mentioned 'next' in the interview, i didn't get a chance to check it out.13:28
derekvcurrent site has some flash I think, but the embeddable sound you can put on your site and the next is all html513:29
derekvhtml5 audio13:29
rick_hyea, just ran across that and thought of you there :)13:29
derekvhaven't had much chance to check it out13:29
rick_hadd JS to the iOS list of stuff heh13:29
derekvI think before chc i'd never met anyone except myself who had used a tiling window manager13:31
rick_hwe've got a good group13:31
derekvAnd like I said I had begrudgingly given up on it a long time ago13:31
rick_hCHC is such a nice group of esoteric things. We could be thinkpads anon now, tiling anon, vim anon :)13:32
rick_hand once in a while new people show up to be converted :P13:32
rick_hthough we still haven't gotten snap-l on tiling...I consider that a failure in CHC so far13:32
brouschHeh13:32
brouschCHC is The Cult of Rick13:33
derekvI was using larswm13:33
derekva long time back13:33
rick_h_stink_: uses an off shoot, you still on that _stink_ ?13:33
rick_hblanking on the name...stumpwm or something I think13:33
derekvand I remember the one thing that I couldn't get to work, firefox would not label its windows13:33
derekvit'd create dialogs and label them the same as the parent window13:33
derekvwhatever it was lars would put them _behind_ firefox13:34
derekvand I spent a long time trying to work around that problem13:34
derekvI got the FF source and was trying to find where the window labeling happened13:34
rick_hheh, ouch13:34
derekvmaybe thats been fixed since or awesome has some trick to deal with it13:35
rick_hyea, I stick with awesome because, for the most part, things work ootb pretty well13:35
derekvI've always regreted the loss... that and the loss of mutt13:35
rick_hah, mutt, my irssi companion13:36
derekvI've never been able to spend as much time getting my environment set up all slick as I did in college13:36
rick_hI've got a shortcut `ta coms` that opens a coms tmux session with two 'windows' for mutt nad irssi13:36
rick_hif you ever get the hankering let me know. greg-g and I run it full time13:37
rick_hwith notmuch integration it's nice to have good search again13:37
derekvyea, i think a while back I did try mutt again with the imap capability, and it wasn't the same13:37
rick_hyea, I use offlineimap, imapfilter, and mutt to combine and sort out my mailboxes pretty well13:38
derekvso I think you need to run one of those imap to local mail processes13:38
rick_hyep, I run offlineimap on one of my ec2 boxes that aggregates mail from gmail/work13:38
derekvbecause the whole thing with mutt was that it was FAST13:38
derekvwas/is13:38
rick_hand then my laptop/phone hook into that ec2 server serving it back out over dovecot13:38
rick_hyea, it's nice, that and the vim editing of email, custom shortcuts, etc13:38
rick_hSt is a shortcut for moving mail to a tech folder, etc13:39
brouschWhat's a folder?13:39
rick_hI've got shortcuts that all start with S (s is normal move command) for the popular ones13:39
rick_hbrousch: a label in goo-speak13:39
rick_h:)13:39
derekvin vim, what do you call what you would call modes in emacs?13:39
brouschbarbaric13:39
rick_hderekv: filetype?13:40
rick_hmutt sets the vim filetype to mail13:40
rick_hso I have vim shortcuts for ft=mail that sets formatting, etc13:40
rick_hand some templates I use13:40
rick_husing snipmate you can create templates for specific file types13:40
derekvI mean if you want to code in a given programming language with a given style13:41
derekvcorrect indent13:41
derekvetc13:41
rick_hright, it's just detected by filetype13:41
derekvI just know the basic commands in vim.13:41
derekvSo how do you add more?13:41
derekvFiletypes?13:41
rick_hhttps://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L35113:41
rick_hhttps://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L37613:42
rick_hetc13:42
derekvI see there is some sort of scripting13:45
rick_hyea, it's vimscript13:45
derekvemacs added this little feature thats pretty slick... you can use lisp in regex-replace13:47
derekvso like find all the numbers add 2013:47
derekvbut I think vim has someting like that too...13:47
rick_hyea, end of the day I probably only know/use 10% of vim13:48
derekvRight. and Ive never heard of something big one could do the other couldn't.13:48
rick_hyea, there's things that are more common, the embedded console/etc13:49
rick_hyou can do it, but I think much more rare to have the editor doing so much13:49
derekvemacs does more than it needs to... just because people have used it as a platform to write applications13:50
jrwrennullspace, snap-l definite don't need docsis3 for those speeds. I get 30/8 on my 8yr old docsis2 modem13:52
jrwrencomcast has been upping their speeds for a long time. it happens every so often.13:52
jrwrenemacs is an application platform.13:53
derekvman I woke up feeling sure I was going to be sick13:53
derekvbut i'm ok now.  just late.13:53
derekv35.92 up 6.32 down13:54
derekvI thought I was paying for faster than that I should check it out13:54
derekvstill it ends up being plenty fast13:54
derekver down:35.92 up:6.3213:56
nullspacejrwren: I know you don't need docsis3 for those speeds but the reason for the upgrade might be because they finished up upgrading the network to support it14:02
snap-lYeah, the upload speed is really where I want the increases14:07
snap-lUploading OMC to archive.org takes over 10 minutes.14:07
snap-lUsed the FTP upload mechanism so I could use linode's speedier pipes when I moved stuff over to archive.org.14:08
snap-lLove it: My graduating class from high school sent out an e-mail to everyone about an upcoming event14:08
snap-ljust about every one on there is using a comcast, sbcglobal, ett, aol, juno, hotmail, yahoo or gmail account14:09
brouschsnap-l: Try uploading 20 minute long 1080p videos to YouTube14:09
snap-lbrousch: No, thank you.14:09
jrwrennullspace: yeah, might be.14:14
jrwrensnap-l: streaming 720p out of my home to work is fun. flac too, but not both at once :)14:14
snap-ljrwren: jealous. :) I have to transcode14:16
snap-lso I'm listening to 128kbps at work14:16
snap-lon the plus side, I'm using my Squeezebox. ;)14:16
jrwreni generally listen to V014:19
jrwrenesp at new job where pipe is smaller.14:19
jrwrenbut its nice to know that I can :)14:19
snap-lI wish SB would transcode via ogg14:19
jrwreni'm not a big ogg fan.14:20
jrwrenlame v0 loves my ears14:20
jrwrenthe patents expire pretty soon.14:20
jrwrenwell, 2015 and 2017. I think I'll have expiry parties!14:20
snap-lYeah, you and everyone else14:21
snap-lI fully expect some lawsuits before then14:21
snap-lkind of what happened with Unisys14:21
jrwrengood time to be a lawyer14:23
jrwrenhttp://www.tunequest.org/a-big-list-of-mp3-patents/20070226/  hey, one of 'em exp on Oct 16 this year!14:24
snap-lI think ALU has some patents for mp3 as well14:26
snap-lhey, first one in the article. :)14:26
jrwrenyup14:28
jrwreni think I own shares in them, so i want them to win a bazillion dollar suit14:28
snap-lSOmehow I think that would still punish their stock price14:32
jrwrenhehehe14:41
MaskedDriveryou guys see this? http://u.idltg.in/ietax14:48
snap-lMaskedDriver: Oh yeah.14:54
snap-lI think it's brilliant14:55
MaskedDriverdefinitely15:01
MaskedDriverthe time to make things work on old technology is almost as long as developing the frickin thing to start with15:02
snap-lI wish there was a warning in ipython when it's run from /usrlocal/bin, and not from the VM. ;)15:05
snap-ls/VM/Ve/15:05
derekv2rick_h: for your targets to install software do you put a dependancy check on whether it is in the path ?15:27
derekv2or otherwise check to see if it is there?15:27
rick_h derekv2 it depends. If I don't care about performance, I just run it15:35
rick_hif I do care, then yea, I'll check for the actual item in path so that make will skip the execution15:36
_stink_late to the party, yikes15:55
_stink_rick_h: yep, you had the name right, stumpwm15:55
rick_h_stink_: you still running it?15:58
_stink_yessir15:59
derekv2 you've inspired me sir, I think I'm going to hunt around for examples/tools/scripts to take your ideas and make them more multiplatform16:07
derekv2I also want to take a look at cfengine ... I think its more like puppet but I'm curious.16:07
jrwrensnap-l: just remove ipython from /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin16:08
jrwrencfengine is OLD. do people still use it?16:08
derekv2jrwren: is it? its a commercial product I think... the company seems quite active16:08
rick_hderekv2: yea, cfengine is really deprecated at this point16:08
derekv2maybe i'm confused16:09
rick_hwell, I think the community opinion is that it's deprecated.16:09
rick_hpuppet/chef are the two big dogs these days16:09
derekv2point is I want to make sure what is out there, if for no other reason then to get ideas16:09
rick_hyea, definitely16:09
derekv2what you need for system dependencies is a sort of "require" statement... which could maybe call out to something that takes care of platform specific installers16:11
rick_hyea, I mean calling out to full things like puppet/chef makes sense.16:12
derekv2ideally ... you need to grab only a couple things in order to get going16:13
derekv2maybe lets say two/three things on windows16:13
derekv2if you could include a sort of windows script to grab what you need to run the make file, have it spin from there16:14
derekv2and then that script would be pretty much the same across projects16:14
derekv2probably just download cygwin16:16
derekv2maybe one day I can stop using windows.16:16
derekv2*dream16:16
brouschderekv2: That is why I lean towards pure Python solutions. Just pip install it and it works with the rest of your Python16:18
rick_hheh, let me know how that pip install fabric works for you in windows :)16:18
brouschyeaaaaaah16:18
derekv2well I'm equally polyamorous when it comes to programming languages as I am with operating systems16:22
derekv2windows is the odd guy out, almost everything is going to need exceptions for windows ...16:22
brouschRight, but using pure Python solutions cuts down on those exceptions16:23
brouschSo you just need PYthon installed. Not Python + cygwin + ruby16:24
derekv2well either python or perl or cygwin or something that provides a proper scripting ability16:36
derekv2has to be downloaded16:36
derekv2or you have to redo everything in something windowsish16:36
rick_hI hear powershell rules these days :P16:36
derekv2powershell is weird16:36
derekv2it looks potentially powerful but ...16:37
greg-gyay mutt!16:42
rick_hhah! who woke greg-g up?16:43
greg-g;)16:43
rick_hgreg-g: I'm jealous of your debian usage because the new notmuch-mutt package isn't in ubuntu repos :(16:44
greg-g:)16:44
rick_hbut it's in debian, so hoping that it gets sync'd for the next version, but not seeing it yet16:44
rick_hI should probably look at some way to get that pulled across16:44
greg-gI'm going to switch my work laptop over to debian tomorrow due to the crappy gnome-shell and now empathy issues (empathy in Ubuntu messed up my contacts list)16:45
rick_hdoh16:46
snap-lhttp://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/v1czc/new_macbook_pro_wit_retina_a_comparison_of_text/16:54
rick_hO...M...G this made me laugh out loud at the coffe shop https://twitter.com/mpirnat/status/21331255465778380816:55
_stink_rick_h: hey, this seems like it should be on the yui gallery front page (or in the FAQ), but is there somewhere that shows how to load a gallery module?  i want to try this popup calendar thing.16:55
rick_hif it's in the gallery, it's in the CDN16:56
rick_hYUI().use('gallery-module-name', function (Y) {16:56
_stink_rick_h: ah, fantastic.  thanks16:56
rick_hhttps://github.com/yui/yui3-gallery16:57
rick_h_stink_: they accept MP requests to that github repo and build those into the yahoo CDN with the other YUI CDN stuff16:57
jrwrenpuppet/chef are great, but what is there like juju that is not juju?17:13
jrwreni don't care about reddit comparison. I've already used the mbp retina. I know it is sweet ;p17:14
snap-lIt's interesting to see how many shortcuts MS took in their interface17:15
snap-lYou'd think they'd at least do SVG or something similar for the icons in the toolbar17:15
greg-gyeah, this makes total sense. Even though I killed everything related to empathy/telepathy and then restarted empathy it wouldn't work. But after a restart of my machine (probably just a logout/in would have sufficed, but this is an SSD, why not a full restart?) empathy works just fine.17:15
rick_hjrwren: well some of us believe that there's nothing like juju atm and that's what makes it handy17:16
greg-gsomething tied in with their account management junk.17:16
snap-lhttp://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/jun/14/news-center-being-remodeled-facilitate-employee-re/ <- Ouch. Apparently the 10 folks working on Django were let go17:16
rick_hah, that must be what I saw when someone said they knew a bunch of great django people available for hire17:20
snap-lsucks on the surface, but maybe it'll be the start of something more brilliant17:22
rick_hyea, sounds like a company saying "so how much does this django stuff bring in? Oh, it's OSS? Wtf?"17:22
rick_hok, so I'm stretching it some...17:22
snap-l Though I'd curious how you expand your digital focus by tossing out your developer pool17:23
snap-lOr it's a poorly worded way of saying they're released to build a consulting business outside of the paper17:24
snap-lbut still doing stuff for the paper as outside consultants17:24
jrwrenrick_h: that is exactly what I want to use to get an ubuntu cloud server in place here - juju is like none other and brings so much value that UCS is what we should be using17:39
jrwrenjust found out about ipython notebok. cool17:40
rick_hjrwren: yea, I can't wait until the charm store finished fleshing out and they get multi-tenant going17:40
jrwrensounds good17:40
brouschrick_h: You should make a PPA for things like notmuch-mutt17:45
rick_hbrousch: yea, should17:46
brouschImprove the state of tiling WMs on Ubuntu17:46
greg-gwasted effort, your effort will just be overwritten/blocked eg: the gnome-shell issue17:47
derekv2gpg --armor --gen-random 1 350 | sed 's/[^a-zA-Z0-0]//g' | cut -c-25617:47
greg-g</end rant>17:47
derekv2needed 256 random alphanumeric17:47
rick_hbrousch: except things work for me and I've gotten stuff running so motiviation to learn enuogh to do all that is low17:48
rick_hI'm a lazy bum17:48
derekv2'openssl rand -base64 256'  should do the same.17:48
brouschgreg-g: And he's an inside man now17:48
jrwrentilebuntu17:49
brouschCatching up on lunch backscroll. Django guys got let go? That is rough17:49
derekv2id install that17:49
brouschAt least there are a lot of Django jobs out there17:49
jrwrenwhat django guy got let go17:50
jrwren?17:50
brouschsnap-l posted it http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/jun/14/news-center-being-remodeled-facilitate-employee-re/17:51
snap-lYeah, it's not much in specifics17:51
snap-llooking to find something more conclusive17:51
brouschI saw a comment from alex gaynor earlier today, but didn't think much of it17:51
snap-lhttp://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/v1lif/nokia_cuts_10000_jobs_dropping_their_entire_linux/17:52
snap-lSPeaking of joyous news.17:52
snap-lHave to wonder if any partnership with Microsoft has ever ended well17:53
jrwrenapple partnered with msft in 1998, got a 2B$ investment and proceded to take over the world.18:33
jrwrenso yes, a partnership wiht msft has ended well... errr... maybe not well for both parties.18:33
snap-lhttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/apple-fans-lol.jpg18:41
snap-lThat was more of a friendship gesture18:41
snap-land is not the norm. :)18:41
brouschHah, awesome. I started creating a mock android module so I can test my project without going to a real Android device18:52
derekv2here's a new one, got two computers both on the same switch18:59
derekv2both can get to google for search, images, news18:59
derekv2one can see gmail the other sits and spins18:59
snap-lproxy?19:01
derekv2something cached19:02
derekv2works in safari19:03
derekv2afk19:04
Milyardo:source /home.ztv/zpowers//.byobu/profile19:36
snap-lMilyardo: That's a hell of a line to mis-type into IRC. ;)19:38
greg-g"I want zee powers!"19:41
jrwrenindeed.19:47
jrwrenhe must have thought his vim was not responding19:47
snap-lhttp://yurt.bandcamp.com/album/archipelagog-2011 <- I think you guys might rebel if I played one of the 12+ minute songs on OMC20:18
greg-gI love epic songs21:00
* greg-g listens, likes it so far21:02
greg-gsnap-l: you should make an EPIC!!! OMC episode that is only 10minute minimum songs21:03
snap-lThere's a number of them that I haven't played because they are pretty damn long21:11
snap-lgreg-g: For Episode 50, maybe. ;)21:12
greg-gthats the next one right?21:22
brouschHm, this SL4A Python mock module is becoming pretty cool. I think I'll put it on github23:57

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