[00:18] <jrwren> snap-l: that ugly code was python i bet :p
[00:19] <rick_h> hah
[00:22] <snap-l> jrwren: It was, but it was an ugly problem accompanying it.
[00:23] <snap-l> flattening the data from severalrows to add more columns in a spreadsheet
[00:23] <snap-l> This code was designed for taking one spreadsheet and putting it into another spreadsheet
[10:45] <snap-l> "Great news! We have increased your Internet download speed from 8Mbps to 15Mbps at no additional charge to you. In order to get the new speed you just need to reboot your cable modem. Please follow the steps below to reboot your modem:"
[10:45] <snap-l> brb
[10:52] <snap-l> And now off to speedtest.
[10:53] <snap-l> Bah, almost 2Mb up
[10:55] <snap-l> But 15.92Mb down
[10:55] <snap-l> I'll take it. :)
[10:56] <snap-l> I wonder when my bill will b adjusted, since I have until 2013 with this current contract. :)
[11:20] <rick_h> damn, nice stuff
[11:22] <snap-l> https://sales.wowway.com/OnlineStore/PricingAndPackaging.aspx
[11:22] <snap-l> Apparently this is across the board
[11:22] <rick_h> nice
[11:22] <snap-l> It's either 2mbps basic, or 15mbps
[11:23] <rick_h> 15 is nice, and 2 up is better than my 1.5
[11:23] <snap-l> Well, it's 1.8ish
[11:23] <rick_h> still, good stuff
[11:24] <snap-l> Yeah, nice thing to wake up to this morning. :)
[11:32] <rick_h> I feel the sudden urge to buy something from over seas: http://goo.gl/sH8m5
[11:35] <snap-l> Yeah, that spread like wildfire last night
[11:36] <snap-l> But, he has a point. I think it's brilliant
[11:36] <rick_h> yea, I'm a big fan of that idea.
[11:37] <rick_h> In some way you justify and get to really track the impact on business
[11:37] <rick_h> and provide a monetary incentive for people to upgrade their crap
[11:37] <MaskedDriver> morning
[11:38] <rick_h> derekv: http://backstage.soundcloud.com/2012/06/building-the-next-soundcloud/
[11:38] <rick_h> get your JS on baby! :)
[11:41] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920021452.do?code=DEAL
[11:41] <snap-l> 156 pages of pure erlang goodness
[11:42] <rick_h> shhhh, don't tempt me
[11:42] <rick_h> I've stayed away so long
[11:42] <shakes808> good morning
[11:49] <shakes808> http://www.flashingdeals.com/deals/redbox-free-first-night-game-blu-ray-or-dvd-rental
[12:09] <nullspace> snap-l: sounds like a docis 3.0 upgrade...
[12:09] <nullspace> rick_h: did you get your new lappy up and runnign yet?
[12:10] <rick_h> nullspace: yea, spent last night maxing my mifi setting it up
[12:10] <rick_h> I pulled together the docks/etc yesterday so just want to make sure I've got my stuff off and I'll clean it up
[12:17] <nullspace> I'm just interesting in hearing you brag about your new lappy
[12:17] <nullspace> interested...
[12:18] <rick_h> ah, yea posted the pic some initial notes: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=104564
[12:18] <rick_h> it's nice so far, speed is good, new ssd is good stuff, fast, still not sure I'm sold on the keyboard...but time will tell
[13:28] <derekv> rick_h, yea they mentioned 'next' in the interview, i didn't get a chance to check it out.
[13:29] <derekv> current site has some flash I think, but the embeddable sound you can put on your site and the next is all html5
[13:29] <derekv> html5 audio
[13:29] <rick_h> yea, just ran across that and thought of you there :)
[13:29] <derekv> haven't had much chance to check it out
[13:29] <rick_h> add JS to the iOS list of stuff heh
[13:31] <derekv> I think before chc i'd never met anyone except myself who had used a tiling window manager
[13:31] <rick_h> we've got a good group
[13:31] <derekv> And like I said I had begrudgingly given up on it a long time ago
[13:32] <rick_h> CHC is such a nice group of esoteric things. We could be thinkpads anon now, tiling anon, vim anon :)
[13:32] <rick_h> and once in a while new people show up to be converted :P
[13:32] <rick_h> though we still haven't gotten snap-l on tiling...I consider that a failure in CHC so far
[13:32] <brousch> Heh
[13:33] <brousch> CHC is The Cult of Rick
[13:33] <derekv> I was using larswm
[13:33] <derekv> a long time back
[13:33] <rick_h> _stink_: uses an off shoot, you still on that _stink_ ?
[13:33] <rick_h> blanking on the name...stumpwm or something I think
[13:33] <derekv> and I remember the one thing that I couldn't get to work, firefox would not label its windows
[13:33] <derekv> it'd create dialogs and label them the same as the parent window
[13:34] <derekv> whatever it was lars would put them _behind_ firefox
[13:34] <derekv> and I spent a long time trying to work around that problem
[13:34] <derekv> I got the FF source and was trying to find where the window labeling happened
[13:34] <rick_h> heh, ouch
[13:35] <derekv> maybe thats been fixed since or awesome has some trick to deal with it
[13:35] <rick_h> yea, I stick with awesome because, for the most part, things work ootb pretty well
[13:35] <derekv> I've always regreted the loss... that and the loss of mutt
[13:36] <rick_h> ah, mutt, my irssi companion
[13:36] <derekv> I've never been able to spend as much time getting my environment set up all slick as I did in college
[13:36] <rick_h> I've got a shortcut `ta coms` that opens a coms tmux session with two 'windows' for mutt nad irssi
[13:37] <rick_h> if you ever get the hankering let me know. greg-g and I run it full time
[13:37] <rick_h> with notmuch integration it's nice to have good search again
[13:37] <derekv> yea, i think a while back I did try mutt again with the imap capability, and it wasn't the same
[13:38] <rick_h> yea, I use offlineimap, imapfilter, and mutt to combine and sort out my mailboxes pretty well
[13:38] <derekv> so I think you need to run one of those imap to local mail processes
[13:38] <rick_h> yep, I run offlineimap on one of my ec2 boxes that aggregates mail from gmail/work
[13:38] <derekv> because the whole thing with mutt was that it was FAST
[13:38] <derekv> was/is
[13:38] <rick_h> and then my laptop/phone hook into that ec2 server serving it back out over dovecot
[13:38] <rick_h> yea, it's nice, that and the vim editing of email, custom shortcuts, etc
[13:39] <rick_h> St is a shortcut for moving mail to a tech folder, etc
[13:39] <brousch> What's a folder?
[13:39] <rick_h> I've got shortcuts that all start with S (s is normal move command) for the popular ones
[13:39] <rick_h> brousch: a label in goo-speak
[13:39] <rick_h> :)
[13:39] <derekv> in vim, what do you call what you would call modes in emacs?
[13:39] <brousch> barbaric
[13:40] <rick_h> derekv: filetype?
[13:40] <rick_h> mutt sets the vim filetype to mail
[13:40] <rick_h> so I have vim shortcuts for ft=mail that sets formatting, etc
[13:40] <rick_h> and some templates I use
[13:40] <rick_h> using snipmate you can create templates for specific file types
[13:41] <derekv> I mean if you want to code in a given programming language with a given style
[13:41] <derekv> correct indent
[13:41] <derekv> etc
[13:41] <rick_h> right, it's just detected by filetype
[13:41] <derekv> I just know the basic commands in vim.
[13:41] <derekv> So how do you add more?
[13:41] <derekv> Filetypes?
[13:41] <rick_h> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L351
[13:42] <rick_h> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L376
[13:42] <rick_h> etc
[13:45] <derekv> I see there is some sort of scripting
[13:45] <rick_h> yea, it's vimscript
[13:47] <derekv> emacs added this little feature thats pretty slick... you can use lisp in regex-replace
[13:47] <derekv> so like find all the numbers add 20
[13:47] <derekv> but I think vim has someting like that too...
[13:48] <rick_h> yea, end of the day I probably only know/use 10% of vim
[13:48] <derekv> Right. and Ive never heard of something big one could do the other couldn't.
[13:49] <rick_h> yea, there's things that are more common, the embedded console/etc
[13:49] <rick_h> you can do it, but I think much more rare to have the editor doing so much
[13:50] <derekv> emacs does more than it needs to... just because people have used it as a platform to write applications
[13:52] <jrwren> nullspace, snap-l definite don't need docsis3 for those speeds. I get 30/8 on my 8yr old docsis2 modem
[13:52] <jrwren> comcast has been upping their speeds for a long time. it happens every so often.
[13:53] <jrwren> emacs is an application platform.
[13:53] <derekv> man I woke up feeling sure I was going to be sick
[13:53] <derekv> but i'm ok now.  just late.
[13:54] <derekv> 35.92 up 6.32 down
[13:54] <derekv> I thought I was paying for faster than that I should check it out
[13:54] <derekv> still it ends up being plenty fast
[13:56] <derekv> er down:35.92 up:6.32
[14:02] <nullspace> jrwren: I know you don't need docsis3 for those speeds but the reason for the upgrade might be because they finished up upgrading the network to support it
[14:07] <snap-l> Yeah, the upload speed is really where I want the increases
[14:07] <snap-l> Uploading OMC to archive.org takes over 10 minutes.
[14:08] <snap-l> Used the FTP upload mechanism so I could use linode's speedier pipes when I moved stuff over to archive.org.
[14:08] <snap-l> Love it: My graduating class from high school sent out an e-mail to everyone about an upcoming event
[14:09] <snap-l> just about every one on there is using a comcast, sbcglobal, ett, aol, juno, hotmail, yahoo or gmail account
[14:09] <brousch> snap-l: Try uploading 20 minute long 1080p videos to YouTube
[14:09] <snap-l> brousch: No, thank you.
[14:14] <jrwren> nullspace: yeah, might be.
[14:14] <jrwren> snap-l: streaming 720p out of my home to work is fun. flac too, but not both at once :)
[14:16] <snap-l> jrwren: jealous. :) I have to transcode
[14:16] <snap-l> so I'm listening to 128kbps at work
[14:16] <snap-l> on the plus side, I'm using my Squeezebox. ;)
[14:19] <jrwren> i generally listen to V0
[14:19] <jrwren> esp at new job where pipe is smaller.
[14:19] <jrwren> but its nice to know that I can :)
[14:19] <snap-l> I wish SB would transcode via ogg
[14:20] <jrwren> i'm not a big ogg fan.
[14:20] <jrwren> lame v0 loves my ears
[14:20] <jrwren> the patents expire pretty soon.
[14:20] <jrwren> well, 2015 and 2017. I think I'll have expiry parties!
[14:21] <snap-l> Yeah, you and everyone else
[14:21] <snap-l> I fully expect some lawsuits before then
[14:21] <snap-l> kind of what happened with Unisys
[14:23] <jrwren> good time to be a lawyer
[14:24] <jrwren> http://www.tunequest.org/a-big-list-of-mp3-patents/20070226/  hey, one of 'em exp on Oct 16 this year!
[14:26] <snap-l> I think ALU has some patents for mp3 as well
[14:26] <snap-l> hey, first one in the article. :)
[14:28] <jrwren> yup
[14:28] <jrwren> i think I own shares in them, so i want them to win a bazillion dollar suit
[14:32] <snap-l> SOmehow I think that would still punish their stock price
[14:41] <jrwren> hehehe
[14:48] <MaskedDriver> you guys see this? http://u.idltg.in/ietax
[14:54] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: Oh yeah.
[14:55] <snap-l> I think it's brilliant
[15:01] <MaskedDriver> definitely
[15:02] <MaskedDriver> the time to make things work on old technology is almost as long as developing the frickin thing to start with
[15:05] <snap-l> I wish there was a warning in ipython when it's run from /usrlocal/bin, and not from the VM. ;)
[15:05] <snap-l> s/VM/Ve/
[15:27] <derekv2> rick_h: for your targets to install software do you put a dependancy check on whether it is in the path ?
[15:27] <derekv2> or otherwise check to see if it is there?
[15:35] <rick_h>  derekv2 it depends. If I don't care about performance, I just run it
[15:36] <rick_h> if I do care, then yea, I'll check for the actual item in path so that make will skip the execution
[15:55] <_stink_> late to the party, yikes
[15:55] <_stink_> rick_h: yep, you had the name right, stumpwm
[15:58] <rick_h> _stink_: you still running it?
[15:59] <_stink_> yessir
[16:07] <derekv2>  you've inspired me sir, I think I'm going to hunt around for examples/tools/scripts to take your ideas and make them more multiplatform
[16:07] <derekv2> I also want to take a look at cfengine ... I think its more like puppet but I'm curious.
[16:08] <jrwren> snap-l: just remove ipython from /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin
[16:08] <jrwren> cfengine is OLD. do people still use it?
[16:08] <derekv2> jrwren: is it? its a commercial product I think... the company seems quite active
[16:08] <rick_h> derekv2: yea, cfengine is really deprecated at this point
[16:09] <derekv2> maybe i'm confused
[16:09] <rick_h> well, I think the community opinion is that it's deprecated.
[16:09] <rick_h> puppet/chef are the two big dogs these days
[16:09] <derekv2> point is I want to make sure what is out there, if for no other reason then to get ideas
[16:09] <rick_h> yea, definitely
[16:11] <derekv2> what you need for system dependencies is a sort of "require" statement... which could maybe call out to something that takes care of platform specific installers
[16:12] <rick_h> yea, I mean calling out to full things like puppet/chef makes sense.
[16:13] <derekv2> ideally ... you need to grab only a couple things in order to get going
[16:13] <derekv2> maybe lets say two/three things on windows
[16:14] <derekv2> if you could include a sort of windows script to grab what you need to run the make file, have it spin from there
[16:14] <derekv2> and then that script would be pretty much the same across projects
[16:16] <derekv2> probably just download cygwin
[16:16] <derekv2> maybe one day I can stop using windows.
[16:16] <derekv2> *dream
[16:18] <brousch> derekv2: That is why I lean towards pure Python solutions. Just pip install it and it works with the rest of your Python
[16:18] <rick_h> heh, let me know how that pip install fabric works for you in windows :)
[16:18] <brousch> yeaaaaaah
[16:22] <derekv2> well I'm equally polyamorous when it comes to programming languages as I am with operating systems
[16:22] <derekv2> windows is the odd guy out, almost everything is going to need exceptions for windows ...
[16:23] <brousch> Right, but using pure Python solutions cuts down on those exceptions
[16:24] <brousch> So you just need PYthon installed. Not Python + cygwin + ruby
[16:36] <derekv2> well either python or perl or cygwin or something that provides a proper scripting ability
[16:36] <derekv2> has to be downloaded
[16:36] <derekv2> or you have to redo everything in something windowsish
[16:36] <rick_h> I hear powershell rules these days :P
[16:36] <derekv2> powershell is weird
[16:37] <derekv2> it looks potentially powerful but ...
[16:42] <greg-g> yay mutt!
[16:43] <rick_h> hah! who woke greg-g up?
[16:43] <greg-g> ;)
[16:44] <rick_h> greg-g: I'm jealous of your debian usage because the new notmuch-mutt package isn't in ubuntu repos :(
[16:44] <greg-g> :)
[16:44] <rick_h> but it's in debian, so hoping that it gets sync'd for the next version, but not seeing it yet
[16:44] <rick_h> I should probably look at some way to get that pulled across
[16:45] <greg-g> I'm going to switch my work laptop over to debian tomorrow due to the crappy gnome-shell and now empathy issues (empathy in Ubuntu messed up my contacts list)
[16:46] <rick_h> doh
[16:54] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/v1czc/new_macbook_pro_wit_retina_a_comparison_of_text/
[16:55] <rick_h> O...M...G this made me laugh out loud at the coffe shop https://twitter.com/mpirnat/status/213312554657783808
[16:55] <_stink_> rick_h: hey, this seems like it should be on the yui gallery front page (or in the FAQ), but is there somewhere that shows how to load a gallery module?  i want to try this popup calendar thing.
[16:56] <rick_h> if it's in the gallery, it's in the CDN
[16:56] <rick_h> YUI().use('gallery-module-name', function (Y) {
[16:56] <_stink_> rick_h: ah, fantastic.  thanks
[16:57] <rick_h> https://github.com/yui/yui3-gallery
[16:57] <rick_h> _stink_: they accept MP requests to that github repo and build those into the yahoo CDN with the other YUI CDN stuff
[17:13] <jrwren> puppet/chef are great, but what is there like juju that is not juju?
[17:14] <jrwren> i don't care about reddit comparison. I've already used the mbp retina. I know it is sweet ;p
[17:15] <snap-l> It's interesting to see how many shortcuts MS took in their interface
[17:15] <snap-l> You'd think they'd at least do SVG or something similar for the icons in the toolbar
[17:15] <greg-g> yeah, this makes total sense. Even though I killed everything related to empathy/telepathy and then restarted empathy it wouldn't work. But after a restart of my machine (probably just a logout/in would have sufficed, but this is an SSD, why not a full restart?) empathy works just fine.
[17:16] <rick_h> jrwren: well some of us believe that there's nothing like juju atm and that's what makes it handy
[17:16] <greg-g> something tied in with their account management junk.
[17:16] <snap-l> http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/jun/14/news-center-being-remodeled-facilitate-employee-re/ <- Ouch. Apparently the 10 folks working on Django were let go
[17:20] <rick_h> ah, that must be what I saw when someone said they knew a bunch of great django people available for hire
[17:22] <snap-l> sucks on the surface, but maybe it'll be the start of something more brilliant
[17:22] <rick_h> yea, sounds like a company saying "so how much does this django stuff bring in? Oh, it's OSS? Wtf?"
[17:22] <rick_h> ok, so I'm stretching it some...
[17:23] <snap-l>  Though I'd curious how you expand your digital focus by tossing out your developer pool
[17:24] <snap-l> Or it's a poorly worded way of saying they're released to build a consulting business outside of the paper
[17:24] <snap-l> but still doing stuff for the paper as outside consultants
[17:39] <jrwren> rick_h: that is exactly what I want to use to get an ubuntu cloud server in place here - juju is like none other and brings so much value that UCS is what we should be using
[17:40] <jrwren> just found out about ipython notebok. cool
[17:40] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I can't wait until the charm store finished fleshing out and they get multi-tenant going
[17:40] <jrwren> sounds good
[17:45] <brousch> rick_h: You should make a PPA for things like notmuch-mutt
[17:46] <rick_h> brousch: yea, should
[17:46] <brousch> Improve the state of tiling WMs on Ubuntu
[17:47] <greg-g> wasted effort, your effort will just be overwritten/blocked eg: the gnome-shell issue
[17:47] <derekv2> gpg --armor --gen-random 1 350 | sed 's/[^a-zA-Z0-0]//g' | cut -c-256
[17:47] <greg-g> </end rant>
[17:47] <derekv2> needed 256 random alphanumeric
[17:48] <rick_h> brousch: except things work for me and I've gotten stuff running so motiviation to learn enuogh to do all that is low
[17:48] <rick_h> I'm a lazy bum
[17:48] <derekv2> 'openssl rand -base64 256'  should do the same.
[17:48] <brousch> greg-g: And he's an inside man now
[17:49] <jrwren> tilebuntu
[17:49] <brousch> Catching up on lunch backscroll. Django guys got let go? That is rough
[17:49] <derekv2> id install that
[17:49] <brousch> At least there are a lot of Django jobs out there
[17:50] <jrwren> what django guy got let go
[17:50] <jrwren> ?
[17:51] <brousch> snap-l posted it http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/jun/14/news-center-being-remodeled-facilitate-employee-re/
[17:51] <snap-l> Yeah, it's not much in specifics
[17:51] <snap-l> looking to find something more conclusive
[17:51] <brousch> I saw a comment from alex gaynor earlier today, but didn't think much of it
[17:52] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/v1lif/nokia_cuts_10000_jobs_dropping_their_entire_linux/
[17:52] <snap-l> SPeaking of joyous news.
[17:53] <snap-l> Have to wonder if any partnership with Microsoft has ever ended well
[18:33] <jrwren> apple partnered with msft in 1998, got a 2B$ investment and proceded to take over the world.
[18:33] <jrwren> so yes, a partnership wiht msft has ended well... errr... maybe not well for both parties.
[18:41] <snap-l> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/apple-fans-lol.jpg
[18:41] <snap-l> That was more of a friendship gesture
[18:41] <snap-l> and is not the norm. :)
[18:52] <brousch> Hah, awesome. I started creating a mock android module so I can test my project without going to a real Android device
[18:59] <derekv2> here's a new one, got two computers both on the same switch
[18:59] <derekv2> both can get to google for search, images, news
[18:59] <derekv2> one can see gmail the other sits and spins
[19:01] <snap-l> proxy?
[19:02] <derekv2> something cached
[19:03] <derekv2> works in safari
[19:04] <derekv2> afk
[19:36] <Milyardo> :source /home.ztv/zpowers//.byobu/profile
[19:38] <snap-l> Milyardo: That's a hell of a line to mis-type into IRC. ;)
[19:41] <greg-g> "I want zee powers!"
[19:47] <jrwren> indeed.
[19:47] <jrwren> he must have thought his vim was not responding
[20:18] <snap-l> http://yurt.bandcamp.com/album/archipelagog-2011 <- I think you guys might rebel if I played one of the 12+ minute songs on OMC
[21:00] <greg-g> I love epic songs
[21:02]  * greg-g listens, likes it so far
[21:03] <greg-g> snap-l: you should make an EPIC!!! OMC episode that is only 10minute minimum songs
[21:11] <snap-l> There's a number of them that I haven't played because they are pretty damn long
[21:12] <snap-l> greg-g: For Episode 50, maybe. ;)
[21:22] <greg-g> thats the next one right?
[23:57] <brousch> Hm, this SL4A Python mock module is becoming pretty cool. I think I'll put it on github