[06:13] <tumbleweed> inetpro: sailing
[06:21] <Kilos> cremora minora
[06:28] <sflr> morning!
[06:28] <Kilos> hiya sflr 
[06:29] <Kilos> busy trying to get a ubuntu-za account on twitter
[06:31] <sflr> Hey Kilos , busy bee bright and early :)
[06:31] <Kilos> hehe stupid thing wants another mail addy
[06:32] <Kilos> yo smiley
[06:32] <Kilos> oh my
[06:32] <sflr> hmm.. maybe a gmail addy? or ubuntu.com? not sure what is legally allowed
[06:32] <Kilos> yo SmilyBorg 
[06:32] <SmilyBorg> Hi all
[06:32] <Kilos> it says mine is already registered
[06:33] <Kilos> grrr
[06:34] <sflr> hi SmilyBorg 
[06:47] <Kilos> hi Hodgestar 
[06:48] <Kilos> mornin charlvn 
[06:48] <charlvn> morning
[06:48] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[06:54] <Kilos> hi superfly need some info on legallities on opening a ubuntu-za gmail addy please
[06:54] <Kilos> and the date of birth of ubuntu
[06:55] <superfly> Kilos: what do you mean?
[06:56] <Kilos> i wanna open a ubuntu-za account on twitter but need a mail addy as mine is already registered now i dunno if i can legally open a mail addy in ubuntu-za's name
[06:57] <Kilos> so thought i would open a ubuntu-za@gmail.com too
[06:58] <superfly> Kilos: well, there's nothing stopping you
[06:58] <Kilos> oh you guys wont sue me
[06:58] <Kilos> hehe
[06:58] <superfly> Kilos: I don't see any legal problems with it either
[06:59] <Kilos> then i just need ubuntu's birthdate
[07:00] <Kilos> hope mark doesnt mind
[07:01] <sflr> Something you can remember easily :) 1 Jan 1980
[07:01] <Kilos> hehe i forget my own
[07:04] <sflr> Ubuntu birthday: 20 October 2004 .
[07:04] <Banlam> ubuntu's older than that surely
[07:04] <Kilos> na
[07:04] <Banlam> just check a wiki article
[07:05] <sflr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)
[07:05] <Banlam> initial release
[07:05] <Banlam> i see
[07:07] <sflr> I got it from there :)
[07:11] <Kilos> eish someone already has ubuntu.za and ubuntuza usernames
[07:11] <Kilos> grrr
[07:12] <sflr> Are you sure? It says "No people results for ubuntuza."
[07:12] <Kilos> gmail tells me that
[07:13] <sflr> oh gmail. sorry. I was checking twitter
[07:13] <Kilos> lol 
[07:14] <sflr> ubuntuza-loco@, ubuntuza-official@, ubuntusouthafrica@
[07:14] <sflr> some ideas
[07:15] <Kilos> ty busy trying them all
[07:15] <sflr> we wouldnt use it for coummunication, we have the mailing list. so it doesnt really matter(?)
[07:16] <Kilos> yes thats right
[07:16] <Kilos> this brings back memories on how i battled to get my gmail account
[07:21] <Kilos> looks like just about everything with ubuntu is used already
[07:21]  * Kilos tries ubuntoooo
[07:23] <Kilos> eish
[07:23] <Kilos> hate gmail
[07:24] <Banlam> the email address doesn't matter atll if you're not goign to be using
[07:24] <Banlam> it
[07:24] <Banlam> if it's just for twitter
[07:24] <Banlam> you can just use dfgg234534q@gmail.com
[07:25] <Kilos> yay will try exactly that
[07:25] <Banlam> :)
[07:25]  * Banlam quickly creates account before kilos
[07:26] <Kilos> hehe
[07:26] <Kilos> and i struggle to see them images
[07:27] <Kilos> and everytime you go forward there is another one
[07:27] <Kilos> grrr
[07:30] <Kilos> ha ha ha ha  ha
[07:30] <Kilos> now it says cant create an account im not old enough
[07:30] <Kilos> rofl
[07:31] <Banlam> lool
[07:39] <Kilos> oh my got ubuntu-za twitter and it shows im already following lady gaga and some other funny animals
[07:44] <Kilos> come on guys tweet to ubuntu-za so i can find peeps to follow
[07:55] <sflr> haha, funny animals like lady gaga? lol
[07:55] <Kilos> whew what a job
[08:01] <charlvn> with gmail, you can add a + at the end of the address
[08:01] <charlvn> for example, if my address is charlvn@gmail.com, i could make up addresses like charlvn+twitter@gmail.com
[08:02] <charlvn> i will get all the mail routed to my mail account but technically they are separate addresses
[08:02] <charlvn> so you can register multiple twitter accounts for example
[08:02] <charlvn> but then because it's a valid mail account, i can confirm the registration (afaik that's necessary for twitter) and do password recovery
[08:02] <Kilos> oh ty charlvn 
[08:03] <charlvn> np Kilos 
[08:04] <charlvn> there is one thing to keep in mind with this technique though - some email validation scripts don't see a mail address containing a + as a valid address
[08:05] <charlvn> it is of course perfectly valid, but some scripts weren't written with the standards in mind
[08:05] <charlvn> usually just a bad regular expression
[08:05] <Kilos> i think i will try keep the ubuntu-za twitter apart from other stuff for now
[08:07] <Kilos> who is gonna write a little bio for ubuntu-za to place in the twitter account
[08:07] <charlvn> i guess a simple description like "South African Ubuntu User Community" is sufficient?
[08:08] <charlvn> what exactly are you planning to do with the twitter account? use it for communication, announcements, etc?
[08:08] <Kilos> this was sflr and inetpro 's idea
[08:09] <inetpro> hmm....
[08:09] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:09] <Kilos> i will monitor it and inform where possible
[08:09] <charlvn> ah ok, i missed out on part of the conversation this morning :)
[08:09] <Kilos> yo inetpro 
[08:09] <charlvn> hi inetpro 
[08:09] <Kilos> inetpro, you can tweet to ubuntu-za
[08:09]  * inetpro be follower no1 
[08:10] <inetpro> https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntuza/followers
[08:11] <inetpro> charlvn: no worries, I think I also missed it
[08:11] <charlvn> lol
[08:11] <Kilos> lol this started day before yesterday not this morning
[08:11] <charlvn> ah ok, yeah i totally missed it, been busy
[08:11] <inetpro> not sure where I suggested that we have our own twitter channel but it sounds like a cool idea
[08:13] <Kilos> sigh
[08:14] <inetpro> Kilos: nou wat nou?
[08:15] <Kilos> hehe you getting older than me
[08:15] <Kilos> you and sflr started the whole thing
[08:26] <Kilos> i even installed ff again
[08:40] <charlvn> [6~
[08:40] <charlvn> bah sorry :)
[08:40] <Kilos> lol
[09:00] <sflr> its working. handle is @ubuntuza, name is ubuntu-za
[09:00] <sflr> Kilos, its all your hard work 
[09:01] <sflr> follower no1. lulz
[09:02] <sflr> Kilos, here you can get some related users to follow: https://twitter.com/#!/search/ubuntu
[09:03] <Kilos> ty will check them
[09:13] <inetpro> Kilos: you may just want to change that profile image to something with an Ubuntu logo
[09:13] <inetpro> back in the days we used to have a logo with a SA flag integrated
[09:13] <Kilos> ok i gotta get one somewqhere
[09:15] <inetpro> our favicon still has it http://ubuntu-za.org/sites/default/files/LucidLoCo_favicon.ico
[09:16] <inetpro> but it's a bit small
[09:16] <inetpro> perhaps superfly knows where we can find the original
[09:16] <inetpro> ?
[09:16] <Kilos> i have just srtolen one from that other site
[09:16] <Kilos> stolen too
[09:16] <Kilos> also as well
[09:17] <Kilos> now gotta try find profile again
[09:18] <inetpro> actually the one on launchpad might do it for you
[09:18] <inetpro> see: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/7127918/UbuntuLogo-za_small.png
[09:18] <Kilos> ok i go get it
[09:19]  * inetpro noticed it at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[09:19] <Kilos> ya thats a nice one
[09:19] <Kilos> ty
[09:30] <inetpro> Kilos: wow, you already have 4 followers, now just follow them back 
[09:33] <Kilos> oh my hi SmilyBorg_w 
[09:33] <SmilyBorg_w> hey
[09:33] <SmilyBorg_w> just lurking while at work
[09:34] <Kilos> hehe
[09:34] <Kilos> looks like sflr is lying down
[09:34] <Kilos> must be very old
[09:35] <sflr> haha, turn your screen :P
[09:35] <Kilos> ha ha ha the others are right way up man
[09:36] <sflr> there is a whole Ubuntu marketing material pack on the internet.
[09:36] <sflr> It's twitter's fault, cant recognize orientation EXIF data. I will change it one day
[09:37] <Kilos> hehe
[09:37] <sflr> I was looking for some sponsorship letters I can use to find sponsors for local freenode server. I didnt find anything, it is mostly marketing material for posters, graphics, cds
[09:38] <Kilos> ai
[09:38] <sflr> I like the logo. keep it
[09:38] <Kilos> will do
[09:38] <Kilos> tween us all it might turn out well
[09:39] <Kilos> not good for the head though
[09:58] <inetpro> Reminder: Next ubuntu-za LoCo monthly IRC meeting on Monday, 18 June at 19:30 SAST. Agenda at: http://t.co/i5BjNieK 
[09:58] <inetpro> Kilos: please tweet that ^^ when you have time
[09:59] <Kilos> will do sir
[09:59] <Kilos> whats my username by twitter?
[09:59] <Kilos> not ubuntu-za
[09:59] <inetpro> Kilos: tweet that on ubuntuza
[10:00] <Kilos> im trying to setup gwibber but somewhere username password is unhappy
[10:00] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean the one for sharpeys?
[10:00] <Kilos> using the fox for twitter has used 25m already this morning
[10:01] <Kilos> no ubuntu-za
[10:01] <sflr> @sharpeys
[10:01] <inetpro> looks like you did it with the "-"
[10:01] <inetpro> just ubuntuza
[10:01] <Kilos> no not sharpeys
[10:01] <Kilos> oh ty
[10:01] <sflr> @ubuntuza
[10:04] <Kilos> oh must you put the @ in?
[10:05] <sflr> no
[10:05] <sflr> are you trying to log in?
[10:05] <Kilos> yeah gwibber is battling
[10:06] <sflr> you can also try to log in with the email address, not username
[10:06] <sflr> maybe the password is not correct
[10:06] <Kilos> lol just asked for password reset
[10:06] <Kilos> what a business
[10:09] <Kilos> then it tells me i am already logged in
[10:09] <sflr> nothing you cant master =)
[10:09] <Kilos> look on another workspace and find a tiny gwibber open
[10:09] <Kilos> grrr
[10:11] <Kilos> when in doubt use a hammer. bigger the doubt bigger the hammer
[10:12] <Kilos> brb
[10:54] <Kilos> hahaha sflr you sat up
[11:05] <sflr> yes, specially for you. hehe
[11:06] <Kilos> hehe ty sir
[11:11] <sflr> mweb.co.za down. server ran out of space. hehe http://i49.tinypic.com/2vmamhf.jpg
[11:11] <sflr> Running Microsoft. We should pay them a visit =)
[12:21] <charlvn> oh no that is hilarious, an asp.net error page
[12:21] <SmilyBorg> lol
[12:22] <charlvn> they even left debug mode on! oh my
[12:22] <charlvn> you would think they would have at least gotten that right
[12:40] <zerlgi> ehlo
[12:41] <Kilos> yo zeref you well?
[12:41] <Kilos> zerlgi, i mean
[12:54] <inetpro> who ever uses the ZA forums linked in the topic?
[12:54]  * inetpro thinking of cleaning up the topic
[12:55] <inetpro> that mailing list URL is also way to long
[12:55] <zerlgi> ta Kilos
[12:56] <inetpro> superfly: would be nice if you could just setup a short url like http://ubuntu-za.org/mm
[12:56] <charlvn> inetpro: in principle all this info should be on the website in any case so you just need to link to ubuntu-za.org right?
[12:56] <charlvn> you could also link to the irc logs, that might be handy
[12:56] <inetpro> charlvn: true
[12:56] <Banlam> just use bitly links or something
[12:57] <inetpro> is everyone ok with bitly links?
[12:57] <charlvn> Banlam: it will help but imho the title is bloated in any case
[12:57] <charlvn> inetpro: i don't mind, bitly is probably overall the best service for shortening
[12:57] <zerlgi> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/436/detail/  shortened to http://goo.gl/BdP0f
[12:58] <inetpro> charlvn: I do think it is worth having frequently changing events but I agree with you, it's way to bloated
[12:59] <charlvn> inetpro: yeah i would rather have the links that are fairly static in any case removed and more dynamic announcement-type stuff
[12:59] <charlvn> like the meetings etc
[13:02] <inetpro> ok, here's my suggestion
[13:02] <inetpro> Ubuntu South Africa LoCoTeam http://ubuntu-za.org || Mailing list: http://bit.ly/MCOujZ || Pastebin: paste.ubuntu.com || Next IRC meeting Mon, 18 June @ 19:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/LYp5jY
[13:02] <inetpro> still a bit long though
[13:02] <inetpro> any other suggestions?
[13:03] <charlvn> sounds good, but maybe still include a link to the irc logs?
[13:03] <charlvn> that's always handy
[13:06] <sflr> can we train Maaz to shorten links automagically? 
[13:07] <inetpro> charlvn: hmm... the IRC logs URL varies by day http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/14/%23ubuntu-za.txt
[13:07] <inetpro> or http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/14/%23ubuntu-za.html
[13:08] <charlvn> sflr: afaik it can use tinyurl
[13:08] <charlvn> Maaz: tinyurl shorten http://google.com/
[13:08] <Maaz> charlvn: What?
[13:08] <charlvn> Maaz: shorten http://google.com/
[13:08] <Maaz> charlvn: That reduces to: http://is.gd/N05DMr
[13:08] <inetpro> New suggestion: Ubuntu South Africa http://ubuntu-za.org || MMList: http://bit.ly/MCOujZ || PBin: http://paste.ubuntu.com || Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com || Next Meeting: Mon, 18 June @ 19:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/LYp5jY
[13:09] <charlvn> inetpro: the dutch channel just links to the root of irclogs.ubuntu.com
[13:09] <charlvn> yeah exactly
[13:09] <sflr> wow, there you have it then :)
[13:09] <charlvn> Maaz: botsnack
[13:09] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[13:10] <inetpro> ok, better?
[13:10] <charlvn> nice
[13:10] <sflr> what is pastebin for?
[13:11] <charlvn> for pasting stuff ? :)
[13:11] <charlvn> if you want to share a script or some log output or anything
[13:11] <sflr> is it used so often?
[13:11] <sflr> ok. i understand. it is important
[13:11] <inetpro> sflr: yep, very often
[13:11] <charlvn> not in this channel but it's quite a handy thing ti have
[13:12] <inetpro> we have not used it recently, but often yes
[13:12] <charlvn> overall on irc it's a necessity
[13:12] <Symmetria> wooot
[13:12] <Symmetria> I just got me a new camera
[13:12] <Symmetria> <3
[13:12] <charlvn> according to me you can just use whatever pastebin implementation you want but some channels have preference for some implementation or the other
[13:12] <Symmetria> been waiting a while and tossing around buying one, finally went out, closed my eyes and handed over the credit card lol
[13:13] <Banlam> Symmetria, nice, what model?
[13:13] <sflr> good for you Symmetria. which camera did you get?
[13:13] <charlvn> Symmetria: well it's not like you can claim to not have the money to spend on one right :P
[13:13] <Symmetria> hehe, I got the canon 7D 
[13:13] <sflr> was it your credit card? haha
[13:13] <Banlam> :O
[13:13]  * Banlam is jealous
[13:13] <Banlam> lenses?
[13:13] <Kilos> its handy when one needs to show info when you having probs and dont wanna spam the channel. but slexy.org is faster smoother and dont hang my pc
[13:13] <Symmetria> got a 300 zoom, a 35-135 IS standard, and a wide angle 
[13:14] <charlvn> ah nice, a dslr, good choice
[13:14] <Banlam> the 300 zoom, standard 70-300?
[13:14] <Symmetria> yeah
[13:14] <Banlam> that 35-135 will be handy
[13:14] <Symmetria> the 35-135 is the standard travel lense, its a very very nice lense
[13:15] <Banlam> i've got a sigma 18-200, it's ncie, slightly heavy
[13:15] <Banlam> but convenient
[13:15] <Symmetria> but the thing I love about this camera is that it does 8fps 126 frame continuous shooting at 18 megapixel
[13:15] <Symmetria> which is REALLY nice is you wanna shoot stuff like lightning etc 
[13:15] <Banlam> nice
[13:15] <inetpro> now we must just make sure we take care that stuffs dropped in the topic doesn't get lost
[13:15] <Banlam> although if i was doing lightnign I'd do long exposure
[13:15] <inetpro> Forum: http://za.ubuntuforums.org/ 
[13:15] <inetpro> Join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za 
[13:15] <inetpro> Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za 
[13:15] <inetpro> Events: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/events
[13:16] <Symmetria> banlam even with long exposure, its still damn tricky
[13:16] <Symmetria> I tried it at length with my old 450D 
[13:16] <Banlam> for sure
[13:16] <Symmetria> without huge success 
[13:16] <Banlam> i would love to get a shot
[13:16] <Banlam> but opportunity doesn't come around very often
[13:16] <Symmetria> lol my dad is gonna be rather happy, he gets my 450D :p
[13:16] <sflr> Symmetria: looking forward to see some of the pix!
[13:16] <Symmetria> and he's wanted a camera forever 
[13:16] <Banlam> haha
[13:16] <Symmetria> sflr lol, me 2, Im waiting for the battery to charge goddammit :) hehe
[13:16] <Banlam> i'm still struggling along with my 350d
[13:17] <sflr> I have a 10D, still rocking for almost 10 years!
[13:17] <Banlam> nice
[13:18] <Symmetria> heh i wanted that 1D X 
[13:18] <Symmetria> but lol @ R62.7k for the body :p
[13:18] <sflr> yeah, rather buy a small car :P
[13:18] <Banlam> worth is a funny thing
[13:19] <Banlam> or value should i say
[13:20] <sflr> if you are a professional yes, but as a recreational photographer I really dont need anything expensive
[13:20] <sflr> plus paying insurance too :/
[13:20] <sflr> Symmetria: what is the camera body made out of?
[13:20] <Banlam> i should actually take my lenses and camera for a service
[13:20] <Banlam> they need some tlc
[13:20] <Banlam> which icertainly don't give htme
[13:22] <charlvn> Kilos: just one bit of feedback over the ubuntuza twitter account - maybe the url in the profile should point to ubuntu-za.org instead of the facebook group? just a thought
[13:22] <charlvn> for people that don't use facebook it's handier to have it go to the main site
[13:22] <charlvn> and then from there they should also be able to make their way back to both the twitter and the facebook pages
[13:22] <Kilos> ah thats an idea ty
[13:23] <charlvn> sure thing
[13:23] <Kilos> one of you shoulda done the thing
[13:23] <charlvn> since we're talking about social networks and stuff, do we have any linkedin groups?
[13:23] <charlvn> o
[13:23] <charlvn> i'm not a big linkedin proponent but was just wondering
[13:23] <Kilos> hehe
[13:24] <charlvn> since we are on twitter and facebook now and all
[13:25] <Kilos> can one login to twitter from 2 places?
[13:25] <charlvn> afaik yes
[13:25] <charlvn> but it's been a while since i used it
[13:25] <sflr> there are ubuntu loco teams on Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/search-fe/group_search?pplSearchOrigin=GLHD&keywords=ubuntu+loco
[13:25] <Banlam> yes you can
[13:26] <Banlam> i'm logged in on two computers, celphone and tablet
[13:27] <Kilos> lol now it tells me my password has been changed woo hoo
[13:28] <Kilos> where do you point it to fb etc?
[13:28] <Kilos> in accounts or profile
[13:28] <charlvn> if i remember from long ago it was profile
[13:29] <Kilos> yeah thats it
[13:30] <Kilos> charlvn, is that http://ubuntu-za.org
[13:30] <charlvn> Kilos: yup that's right
[13:31] <Kilos> ah ty not the https
[13:31] <charlvn> just checked but https doesn't seem to work on ubuntu-za.org
[13:32] <charlvn> the port is open but it doesn't have a valid certificate and the site is just a holding page
[13:32] <charlvn> brb
[13:33] <sflr> certificate expired on the 15th last month. issued to soda.clug.org.za
[13:34] <inetpro> I don't think we need https on the site
[13:35] <Kilos> i gotta kill some tweeters
[13:35] <Kilos> noah for one i think
[13:35] <Kilos> and vodacom 
[13:36] <Kilos> should we have it just for followers?
[13:36] <inetpro> Kilos: it's your choice
[13:36] <Kilos> friends i think is the option
[13:36] <sflr> yeah, i dont think https needed
[13:37] <inetpro> we don't really see what your followers of @ubuntuza are posting unless they are on our side as well
[13:37] <sflr> with a twitter account, we could have a tweetroll on the site now :)
[13:38] <inetpro> Kilos: in fact you don't really need to follow to many peeps
[13:38] <Kilos> grrr its not my twitter
[13:38] <inetpro> but it's a good way to get involved and to see what happens out there
[13:38] <Kilos> its ours
[13:38] <Kilos> you can have the password too
[13:39] <inetpro> Kilos: the more you follow the more bandwidth it will consume for you
[13:39] <Kilos> yeah but its for ubuntu followers not guys chatting about beating up a man and mucsic\\
[13:39] <inetpro> so we will have to make plans for Kilos to have enough juice to get him through every month
[13:39] <Kilos> music adds
[13:39] <sflr> you don't need to follow many people. we would use it for announcements, etc
[13:40] <Kilos> have been helped ty inetpro 
[13:40] <inetpro> Kilos: cool, so far you're doing an excellent job
[13:40] <Kilos> some dude inna cape was kind to me
[13:41] <Kilos> looks like a young dude too, not a ballie
[13:41]  * inetpro lol
[13:43] <sflr> cant we move the events to ubuntu-za.org from loco.ubuntu.com? then we can share just one site
[13:45] <inetpro> ok, I just added a little more bloat just for now, while the twitter account is still new
[13:46] <Kilos> hehe now i cant find where it said friends only
[13:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:46] <inetpro> sflr: we should probably spend some time improving the site 
[13:46] <sflr> who could add this to the site? http://drupal.org/project/twitter_profile_widget
[13:47] <inetpro> sflr: I think superfly is the man, but he's quite busy
[13:49] <sflr> ok. we should put some admin tasks in the Agenda to talk about, like website update. Announce the Twitter account,etc
[13:51] <inetpro> sflr: I agree, can you do that please
[13:51] <inetpro> I guess we could also get Maaz to link to the twitter account's RSS feed and let it post announcements in here
[13:51] <Kilos> you not we
[13:51] <Kilos> head thumpin
[13:52] <Kilos> julle maak my oud
[13:52] <inetpro> Kilos: no worries, we'll pull you through with this thing :-)
[13:52] <Kilos> lmga
[13:53] <inetpro> I doubt whether we'll have many announcements every day
[13:54] <inetpro> anyways, /me has some more work todo
[13:54] <Kilos> enjoy
[13:54] <sflr> you mean to Maaz to tweet?
[13:55] <Kilos> yeah sflr 
[13:55] <inetpro> sflr: now there's an idea I hadn't thought of
[13:55] <Kilos> just tell maaz so and so is <reply> link
[13:55] <inetpro> not sure whether that is practical
[13:55] <sflr> It should be restricted somehow, not everybody should be allowed to command Maazs to tweet. haha
[13:56] <Kilos> he wont tweet
[13:56] <inetpro> I thought the other way around
[13:56] <sflr> It would save you bandwith Kilos  ;)
[13:56] <Kilos> inetpro, whats the link to twitters ubuntu-za
[13:56] <sflr> what do you mean other way around?
[13:57] <Kilos>  old maaz does one command at a time im sure he wont tweet
[14:02] <sflr> Kilos: what twitter link are you looking for?
[14:02] <Kilos> the one you guys would use to get to ubuntu-za
[14:02] <inetpro> The bot can monitor the RSS feed for ubuntuza at https://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/608002266.rss
[14:03] <sflr> https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntuza
[14:03] <Kilos> ty
[14:03] <inetpro> when a new items gets added it will post here
[14:03] <Kilos> wow
[14:03] <Kilos> every tweet inetpro ?
[14:03] <Kilos> guys will complain
[14:03] <sflr> yes, i understand
[14:04] <HawkiesZA> Only if the account is extremely active
[14:04] <sflr> sounds good. it wont be channel spamming
[14:04] <inetpro> Kilos: all depends on how many posts you put in there
[14:04] <Kilos> at the moment its got vodacom and other stuff but i cant find where to make it only show friends or followers
[14:04] <sflr> is it only tweet or includes mentions too?
[14:05] <Kilos> oh only when i tweet
[14:05] <inetpro> yep
[14:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:05] <inetpro> but it's just an idea
[14:06] <Kilos> yo HawkiesZA 
[14:06] <inetpro> and we certainly don't want to abuse the bot 
[14:06] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: wb
[14:06] <HawkiesZA> 'lo Kilos
[14:06] <sflr> Kilos: i dont understand. I only see my timeline, tweets from people I follow
[14:06] <HawkiesZA> fanks inetpro
[14:06] <HawkiesZA> Been an interesting day
[14:06] <sflr> hey HawkiesZA!
[14:06] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: how so?
[14:07] <HawkiesZA> sflr: Where? That guy owes me money!
[14:07] <sflr> inetpro: i'm thinking that what we post on twitter first will be discussed and posted here?
[14:07] <sflr> what guy? lol
[14:08] <HawkiesZA> inetpro: Oh, just busy fixing what I didn't break
[14:10] <Kilos> yay i killed trevor and vodacom
[14:10] <HawkiesZA> That explains why my phone lost signal yesterday
[14:11] <Kilos> haha
[14:11] <Kilos> they too busy promoting music
[14:12] <Kilos> instead of making their signal better and more rteliable
[14:12] <Kilos> reliable
[14:32] <sflr> another thing I will add to agent the local irc server setup
[14:32] <Kilos> good idea sflr 
[14:33] <Kilos> gonna be a long meeting
[14:34] <sflr> most of the items we can just propose and discuss/action it later
[14:35] <Kilos> yeah good to just get the ball rolling on new things
[14:37] <sflr> yes, to see who would be interested in getting involved
[14:39] <Kilos> i think the main thing will be getting someone to sponsor a server. the setting up the guys will sort out
[14:43] <sflr> yes, the setup will still take few weeks based on the doc https://www.freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml
[14:43] <Kilos> wow
[14:43] <Kilos> maybe Symmetria will help. thats his game
[15:17] <Symmetria> hrm
[15:17] <Symmetria> whats the question?
[15:17] <Symmetria> oh, a freenode server
[15:18] <Symmetria> the reason we never did that is because freenode wanted complete root access to the server and thats a major no no 
[15:20] <Kilos> Symmetria, if we can get a server sponsored on those terms will you help set it up for us?
[15:21] <Symmetria> kilos if you can get a server I dont mind helping set it up
[15:22] <Symmetria> configuring ircds isnt hard :) 
[15:22] <Kilos> ty Symmetria . will let you know
[15:22] <Kilos> maybe you can give classes at the same time
[15:22] <Kilos> hehe
[15:24] <Symmetria> heh its really not that hard
[15:25] <Symmetria> 90% of an ircd config file is comments :)
[15:25] <Kilos> sflr, you reading?
[15:25] <Symmetria> basically though, the config file normally has Y lines, I lines, U lines, O lines and C/N lines that are really important 
[15:25] <Symmetria> Y lines generally setup things like your text flood queues etc, though they can be set in your I lines as well
[15:26] <Symmetria> U lines determine which servers can execute certain things
[15:26] <Symmetria> O lines are your operator lines
[15:26] <Symmetria> and C/N lines are your connect and network lines
[15:26] <Symmetria> its different from ircd to ircd, but really, it aint hard
[15:26] <Symmetria> oh, the I lines are the lines which set who you allow onto your server
[15:27] <Kilos> lets hope we get one sponsored
[15:27] <Symmetria> (I lines have also been replaced by auth blocks in some version)
[15:27] <Symmetria> auth {
[15:27] <Symmetria>         user = "*@::/0";
[15:27] <Symmetria>         flags = need_ident;
[15:27] <Symmetria>         class = "ipv6";
[15:27] <Symmetria> };
[15:27] <Symmetria> something like that 
[15:28] <Symmetria> says let on any ipv6 user, so long as they are running ident
[15:30] <sflr> i'm reading now :)
[15:31] <sflr> Symmetria: when we get a server, would you assist to configure it? charlvn also volunteered to help out with the setup
[15:31] <Symmetria> yeah I dont mind :)
[15:32] <Symmetria> Ive been running ircds for more years than I can count :)
[15:32] <Symmetria> lol one of these days I need to reboot my current irc server lol
[15:32] <Symmetria> irc etc # uptime
[15:32] <Symmetria>  5:32PM  up 1386 days,  7:51, 1 user, load averages: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
[15:32]  * Symmetria laughs
[15:33] <sflr> hmm... your Zen server where you meditate and monologue :P
[15:33] <sflr> that is awesome news though
[15:33] <sflr> will a VM do it? or need physical?
[15:34] <Symmetria> VM should be fine, ircd is typically very very light on resources
[15:35] <Symmetria> ratbox   42294  0.0 15.9 165860 165284  ??  Ss   27May10 661:13.91 bin/ircd
[15:35] <Symmetria> thats running with 400 users connected on a network with 40k users connected to the network
[15:36] <sflr> ok. a local server shouldnt get much traffic. but will drop our lag times
[15:36] <Symmetria> heh, with a gig of ram though and a box with a P2 cpu you could run a few thousand users
[15:36] <Symmetria> heh, just be warned, irc server attract attacks
[15:37] <Symmetria> there is nothing on the internet more likely to get ddos'ed than irc server
[15:37] <Symmetria> :p
[15:38] <sflr> yes, i thought so. any recommendations to mitigate that?
[15:38] <sflr> ddos comes and goes, matter of time
[15:40] <Symmetria> heh, we deroute the public v4 address internationally
[15:40] <Symmetria> on irc.ac.za
[15:41] <Symmetria> you can connect to irc.ac.za via v6 globally, and v4 locally, but v4 global it isnt even announced
[15:41] <Symmetria> and has backup null routes all the way through the network just incase it ever does get announced
[15:41] <Symmetria> :p
[15:41] <sflr> that sounds like the right solution
[15:42] <sflr> doesnt that conflicts with freenode terms, etc?
[15:47] <Symmetria> dunno
[15:47] <Symmetria> never run a server on freenode terms :)
[15:47] <Symmetria> I didnt like their terms about access to the server and who controlled the actual server
[15:50] <sflr> haha. ok, lets start with the obvious question :) do you think would be good to have a local freenode server?
[15:54] <Symmetria> yeah, it would be good, *IF* you could find a host that has enough bandwidth and enough clue to weather the ddos
[15:54] <Symmetria> basically, if the server keeps splitting, because of attacks etc, it doesnt help anything
[15:54] <Symmetria> if the server stays linked and can weather the storms, then its useful
[15:54] <Symmetria> now the question of if I think you can find a host that can weather that, thats another story :)
[15:55] <Symmetria> in reality, you have 5 possible places that have the capacity to risk hosting something like this
[15:55] <sflr> any suggestion for a place?
[15:55] <Symmetria> a.) Telkom b.) Internet Solutions c.) MWEB d.) TENET and e.) MTN 
[15:55]  * sflr all ears
[15:56] <Symmetria> you stand less than no hope on a and e
[15:56] <Symmetria> and very little hope with b 
[15:56] <Symmetria> (b has suffered under 2 many irc related ddos attacks in the past)
[15:56] <Symmetria> your most likely is convincing mweb its advantageous 
[15:57] <sflr> ok, we can try mweb then. I wonder if they host irc servers already
[15:57] <Symmetria> tenet wont host it, they already host irc.ac.za and even that is still run by me since I left, and as I said, the conditions around freenode servers when I was at tenet made it unattractive, I seriously doubt they will change that stance with me not there
[15:57] <Symmetria> your best option is to contact someone like Jaco Muller at mweb 
[15:58] <sflr> is it optinet mweb?
[15:58] <Symmetria> yeah, optinet/mweb same thing :)
[15:59] <Symmetria> if you convince mweb to agree, I will work with mweb if they want to setup proper protections 
[15:59] <sflr> ok, thanks Symmetria! i must come up with some speech to sound convincing. hehe
[15:59] <sflr> they do host game servers as i remember
[15:59] <Symmetria> and I've done a LOT of work with mweb so they will know who I am ;p
[16:00] <Symmetria> yes, they do, but thats for business reasons :)
[16:00] <sflr> must I tell Jaco that Symmetria sent me? ;)
[16:00] <Symmetria> the business case for irc is more difficult :P
[16:00] <Symmetria> sflr no :) please dont do that :P 
[16:00] <sflr> its for Ubuntu! 
[16:01] <Symmetria> you can tell him that if they agree to it you have a team with experience who will help set it up and that includes Andrew Alston, but dont say I sent you, and dont say I endorse this thing :) I do neither, I am just willing to help if you get them convinced
[16:01] <Symmetria> :p
[16:01] <sflr> yes, that is correct.
[16:02] <sflr> the convincing part also needs to include the free hosting :)
[16:02] <sflr> so it will definetely not be a sales speech
[16:03] <Symmetria> you'd have to convince them its in their interests and the interests of their clients :)
[16:03] <sflr> but hey, we can give them free Cds!
[16:03] <Symmetria> :P do you have any idea how many free cds you might be giving out if you offer mweb free ubuntu cds?
[16:03] <Kilos> hehe
[16:03] <Symmetria> I dont think you have that many cds to give :p
[16:03] <Symmetria> or that many years to wait for them to burn :p
[16:04] <sflr> haha, we can host iso at mweb. free download for mweb clients
[16:04] <sflr> just kidding. I will sleep on it
[16:04] <Symmetria> :P mweb clients already get free download from the official ubuntu mirror in .za
[16:04] <Symmetria> :p
[16:04] <sflr> is Jaco working at optinet cape town or in joburg?
[16:04] <Symmetria> cape town
[16:04] <sflr> awesome, will pay them a visit then
[16:05] <Symmetria> and he's not just a techie, you may not find it all that easy to get in to see him :) 
[16:05] <Symmetria> Jaco is *very* senior management 
[16:05] <sflr> i hoped so. techies dont make decisions
[16:06] <Symmetria> LOL techies make more decisions than you think :)
[16:06] <sflr> business decisions
[16:06] <Symmetria> heh, many more than you think :)
[16:06] <sflr> dont want to bribe a techie to host it on a hidden VM
[16:06] <Symmetria> I was CTO for TENET, I made most of their decisions :p 
[16:07] <sflr> CTO is not techie in sense of workforce. its senior management
[16:07] <Symmetria> :) just depends on the level of techie you are dealing with lol 
[16:07] <Symmetria> hehe this is true I guess :)
[16:07] <Symmetria> though peering managers are techies in teh sense of work force and they wield more power than you can imagine :)
[16:07] <sflr> I will sleep on it and dream up the speech
[16:08] <Kilos> sflr, be a diplomat
[16:08] <Symmetria> ok supper time :p
[16:08] <Kilos> Maaz, diplomat
[16:08] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[16:08] <Kilos> ty Symmetria 
[16:09] <sflr> thanks Symmetria . will keep you updated. hope you will be able to unleash your techie power on new irc server at mweb soon =)
[16:10] <sflr> Kilos, hope you took notes. lol
[16:10] <Kilos> hahaha thats your job
[16:10] <Kilos> but get the server and andrew will help
[16:11] <Kilos> just not when he is photgraphing lightning
[16:12] <sflr> cool, will come up with the battle plan and lets see how it goes. failure is not an option
[16:12] <Kilos> how are mweb gonna do something like this if there server is already too small
[16:12] <Kilos> their
[16:14] <sflr> need to go now. laterz
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 Running Microsoft. We should pay them a visit =)
[16:15] <Kilos> go safe
[16:38] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[16:40] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[16:47] <Kilos> you missed the fun today. we setup ubuntu-za on twitter
[16:48] <Kilos> yo plustwo  why so quiet lately
[17:23] <Kilos> you didnt answer sflr 
[17:31] <sflr> hmmm.what was the question? im on mobile
[17:31] <Kilos> how are mweb gonna do something like this if there server is already too small
[17:33] <sflr> what do u mean too small?
[17:33] <sflr> they have a datacenter. will ask them to get a server there
[17:33] <Kilos> thats what you said they ran out of space
[17:34] <sflr> oh. that was on their one server only
[17:34] <sflr> where their website is running.
[17:35] <sflr> if we get a server it will be a new one
[17:36] <Kilos> ah , i still gotta learn how all this stuff works
[17:37] <sflr> you know a lot already and always helpful :)
[17:38] <Kilos> i thought a server was a few harddrives connected inna large box with the rest of a pc inside
[17:39] <Kilos> wont bug you no more. it sucks using a mobile
[17:41] <sflr> ok. will chat later!
[17:49] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:49] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[17:50] <magespawn> Hey Kilos whats up?
[17:51] <Kilos> lol spent the day getting ubuntu-za working on twitter
[17:51] <Kilos> but peeps are slow to follow
[17:57] <magespawn> I will have a look
[17:57] <magespawn> Who is running it? You?
[17:57] <Kilos> ya
[17:58] <magespawn> Cool.
[17:58] <Kilos> but i had lotsa help getting the thing going right
[17:58] <Kilos> and working here on gwibber was another schlep
[17:58] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... I'd say leave the conversational stuff for your personal account and stick to real ubuntu related announcements or retweets from interesting peeps on the official account
[17:59] <inetpro> but that's just my opinion
[18:00] <Kilos> i agree 
[18:00] <Kilos> what official account?
[18:00] <inetpro> let's take that example of the vodacom and the trevor dude, your ubuntuza followers would not even have realised that you followed them
[18:01] <Kilos> i didnt know that, i thought you guys all saw it too
[18:01] <Kilos> hehe
[18:01] <Kilos> dunno how i became followers of them
[18:02] <magespawn> Talk about having a split personality
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: just be patient about followers following that account, they will come with time
[18:05] <inetpro> I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what you posted, I would just say it's worth giving it some thought as to what it is that you want to achieve with the account
[18:06] <Kilos> suggestions welcome
[18:07] <inetpro> obviously there are many different aproaches to get to 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 followers and I don't have all the answers
[18:08] <Kilos> personally i dunno what to do there when we have this channel here
[18:08] <Kilos> basically maybe ubuntu followers only methinks
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: twitter is very popular out there
[18:09] <Kilos> if we 20 then we 20
[18:09] <inetpro> something like 140 million active users 
[18:09] <Kilos> eish
[18:10] <inetpro> lots of scope for us to spread the message :-)
[18:10] <Kilos> most are kids and windows users though
[18:10] <Kilos> and mobile users
[18:11] <magespawn> I have few followers who would be interested.
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <Banlam> don't underestimate the power of the RT
[18:12] <magespawn> Indeed.
[18:12] <Kilos> i see gwibber doesnt show that option here
[18:13] <Kilos> just reply and menu
[18:13] <Kilos> oh its in menu
[18:13]  * Kilos hangs his head
[18:15] <Kilos> could even run twitter from pidgin
[18:15] <magespawn> No worries, learning a new system takes a little time.
[18:16] <Kilos> magespawn, how are you plans going?
[18:16] <Kilos> are you still doing tours through the park
[18:17] <magespawn> Yes, the wireless ones have taken a bit of a back seat, I am busy working out the legalese to a commerce website
[18:18] <Kilos> ah good luck
[18:20] <inetpro> ahh... that conversation between Symmetria and sflr was rather interesting
[18:20] <Kilos> yeah
[18:21] <inetpro> hope we can get somewhere with that
[18:21] <Kilos> heres hoping mweb bites
[18:21] <Kilos> dunno how they gonna be convinced its too their advantage though
[18:22] <inetpro> Kilos: good advertising if they deliver a good service 
[18:23] <Kilos> from where inetpro 
[18:25] <inetpro> they do maintain their own network and such on which this irc server will be runnind and if it's well managed and the server is well protected...
[18:25] <inetpro> running*
[18:25] <Kilos> ah
[18:26] <Kilos> can you just explain to me. andrew said a P2 cpu with 1g ram is good enough
[18:27] <Kilos> isnt it then possible to run a server for freenode from a spare pc from someone with a good internet connection
[18:28] <Kilos> why does it have to be hosted with the big guys
[18:28] <inetpro> Kilos: heh you should know, Symmetria likes to  exaggerate
[18:28] <magespawn> The speed of the internet could be an issue, and reliability of the machine.
[18:28] <inetpro> and I say that with a huge lot of respect for the man
[18:30] <Kilos> but lets say an old p4 with 2g ram should work shoudnt it
[18:30] <Kilos> is the freenode bit just for here or for all of freenode
[18:30] <inetpro> and magespawn is right
[18:31] <inetpro> technically anybody can connect to any other freenode server out there
[18:31] <inetpro> at least anyone of them that is publicly accessible 
[18:32] <inetpro> but it just makes sense to connect to the closest server
[18:33] <Kilos> i see his point about not wanting them to have total control of the server but if its on a home pc say then so what
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: he didn't mention "a.) Telkom b.) Internet Solutions c.) MWEB d.) TENET and e.) MTN" for no reason
[18:34] <Kilos> the maintenance man will still have ultimate say over what happens
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: freenode's client servers should expect to sustain around 2-4Mbps of traffic, with much higher peaks
[18:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:37] <inetpro> Total usage for client servers is usually around 320 gigabytes per month
[18:37] <Kilos> wow
[18:38] <Kilos> thats not gonna be easy to get from mweb
[18:38] <inetpro> freenode doesn't even consider home cable/DSL connections
[18:38] <Kilos> oh thats bits/sec
[18:39] <Kilos> ah they want like direct optics?
[18:40] <inetpro> ah, and I must apologise to Symmetria 
[18:41] <inetpro> Freenode's minimum requirenment is Pentium4 with 1GB RAM
[18:41] <inetpro> so he didn't even just make that up
[18:42] <Kilos> you looking at requirements
[18:42] <Kilos> ?
[18:42] <Kilos> was too tiny for me to read
[18:42] <Kilos> rsync let me down
[18:43] <inetpro> I'm looking at http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml
[18:48] <Kilos> wb sflr 
[18:48] <sflr> hey guys
[18:48] <charlvn> hi guys
[18:48] <magespawn> Thats a fair amount of data just for chat.
[18:48] <sflr> I solved my Flash problem from yesterday: rewrite the app in php. lulz
[18:48] <magespawn> Hi sflr, charlvn
[18:48] <magespawn> Hah
[18:48] <charlvn> hi magespawn 
[18:49] <sflr> ahoy charlvn, magespawn
[18:49] <charlvn> re the ircd issue, isn't it possible to restrict the access to south african IP ranges?
[18:49] <charlvn> on ircnet this is quite a common thing to do
[18:49] <charlvn> for example if i connect directly i can only connect to a ircnet server in .nl while if i connect from my server i have to connect to an ircnet server in germany
[18:50] <sflr> if you have access to earlier logs Symmetria was explaining how is done properly
[18:50] <charlvn> this might not be a common thing to do on freenode though but maybe they will make an exemption considering the special circumstances (first server in africa)
[18:50] <sflr> ipv4 only in SA, ipv6 overseas
[18:50] <charlvn> sflr: ok lemme browse up a bit, i probably missed it
[18:51] <sflr> it was all regarding getting a server setup at mweb
[18:51] <magespawn> Kilos maybe things like this for the twitter account http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/
[18:51] <sflr> "first server in Africa" thanks charlvn! that i include in my email to mweb. haha
[18:52] <sflr> app showdown, wow! didnt know about it. are we doing anything? :)
[18:53] <charlvn> ok i get the gist of it
[18:53] <charlvn> yeah sounds like mweb is the best option
[18:53] <charlvn> they are also behind the open routing thing
[18:53] <charlvn> open peering i mean
[18:53] <inetpro> charlvn: you read very quickly :-)
[18:54] <charlvn> sflr: no i mean the first freenode server lol
[18:54] <Kilos> ya he has 2 eyes
[18:54] <Kilos> young ones
[18:54] <charlvn> the only at the moment, maybe there were others previously
[18:55] <Kilos> i think the guys spoke about us having one years ago with Symmetria  too i think hey inetpro ?
[18:55] <inetpro> magespawn: nice one
[18:55] <sflr> yes, lol. i also meant freenode server :) but we also need to promote Ubuntu with it...
[18:55] <charlvn> http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml <- there is literally only one server outside the usa and europe and that is in australia
[18:55] <charlvn> inetpro: no i just mastered the art of skim/scan reading
[18:55] <charlvn> a good skill to have for online :)
[18:56] <sflr> charlvn, hope you dont see dead ppl too :P haha
[18:56] <charlvn> heh
[18:56] <magespawn> ty inetpro got it from google+ Ubuntu
[18:56] <sflr> how is the Ubuntu use in sub-saharan africa? any stats?
[18:57] <inetpro> G+ is really very very cool for staying up to date with news
[18:58] <Kilos> magespawn, whatsin that link. opera cant get in?
[18:58] <Kilos> or taking forever anyway
[18:59] <magespawn> Welcome to the Ubuntu App Showdown, an exciting contest to create an app from scratch for Ubuntu in three weeks, and delivered in the Ubuntu Software Centre.
[19:00] <sflr> The best apps will win some awesome prizes from System76 and Qt including a System76 Gazelle Professional laptop and Nokia N9 phone for the gold prize, a System76 Lemur Ultra laptop and Nokia N9 phone for the silver prize and a Nokia N9 phone for the bronze prize.
[19:00] <sflr> priiizeeee :)
[19:00] <Kilos> wow
[19:00] <Kilos> write guys write
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: you may want to follow https://twitter.com/#!/Ubuntu_OS
[19:02] <magespawn> Copy, paste.
[19:03] <Kilos> no man write the prize winning app
[19:05] <Kilos> ideas on how to tell gwibber to follow them will be appreciated
[19:06] <Kilos> or must i go to twitter with a browser to do that inetpro ?
[19:08] <Kilos> like is there a /j command or something
[19:08] <inetpro> hmm... I don't really use gwibber
[19:09] <Banlam> summary: 	- Follow a user
[19:09] <Banlam> + Provide ability to Follow a user 
[19:09] <Banlam> "To follow a person, just type "follow <Nick>", without the @, as if you would send a new tweet."
[19:09] <Kilos> ty Banlam 
[19:10] <Banlam> np, all hail google
[19:10] <Kilos> hehe
[19:10] <Kilos> without them " " things too hey
[19:10] <Banlam> i would imagine so
[19:10] <Banlam> and without the < >
[19:11] <Banlam> follow Ubuntu_OS
[19:12] <Kilos> ty did that but gwibber doesnt give you the option to see who you are following
[19:12] <Kilos> so heres hoping
[19:12] <Banlam> :P
[19:13] <Banlam> surely there are better progams than gwibber?
[19:13] <Banlam> it sounds kinda uselss
[19:13] <inetpro> Banlam: it really is useless
[19:14] <Banlam> :P
[19:14] <Banlam> are you using it just for twitter Kilos?
[19:14] <Kilos> maia uses it and got me using it a few years back. it can do adentica and fb and some others as well
[19:14] <Kilos> yip just twitter ubuntu-za
[19:15] <Banlam> what's adentica?
[19:15] <inetpro> to be honest, I actually have it running in the background on my home Ubuntu system but I rather use the web interface
[19:15] <Kilos> left my sharpeys out
[19:15] <Kilos> oh my forgot the spelling
[19:15] <Kilos> identica or something
[19:15] <Banlam> what's identica?
[19:15] <inetpro> ubuntu needs something that can compare with choqok
[19:16] <Banlam> a canadian twitter it would seem
[19:16] <inetpro> if I can find some time over the weekend I might wipe this Ubuntu and install Kubuntu again
[19:17] <inetpro> long overdue
[19:17] <Kilos> hehe you still on unity?
[19:17] <inetpro> yep
[19:17] <Kilos> well done. that was a long while
[19:19] <Kilos> dig twitter identica friendfeed  buzz flicker
[19:19] <Banlam> kilos according to twitter you are following ubuntu_os
[19:19] <Kilos> lots like pidgin
[19:19] <Kilos> ya ty Banlam it worked
[19:20] <Kilos> yay not ya
[19:20] <Banlam> :)
[19:20] <Banlam> and you now have 8 followers
[19:20] <Kilos> Banlam, are you following yet?
[19:20] <Kilos> yay
[19:20] <Banlam> i just started
[19:20] <Kilos> ty
[19:21] <Banlam> i'm starting to reach the point where i need to make lists :/
[19:21] <Kilos> hehe
[19:21] <Banlam> but i'm too lazy
[19:21] <Banlam> and have real work to do
[19:24] <Kilos> eish Banlam you follow and say nothing
[19:24] <Kilos> sflr, you still on the fone
[19:24] <Banlam> kilos, what do you mean?
[19:24] <Kilos> i see niks from you there
[19:25] <inetpro> Banlam: you from PE?
[19:25] <Banlam> I am living in PE, but not from here
[19:25]  * Banlam = gareth cawood
[19:25] <inetpro> ahh
[19:25] <inetpro> cool
[19:25] <Banlam> yeah, nic eenough :)
[19:25] <Banlam> don't know of any other ubuntuers in the area though
[19:26] <Kilos> would be nice if i could make gwibber bloep
[19:26] <inetpro> Banlam: that's why I like the idea of having this twitter account
[19:26] <Banlam> yeah?
[19:27] <inetpro> so many ubuntu locals out there that we still don't even know about
[19:28] <Kilos> wasnt there someone in pe asking for cds the other day
[19:28] <Kilos> in the lists
[19:28]  * Banlam is not actually on the lists :/
[19:28] <Kilos> wish maia would come visit 
[19:28]  * Banlam isn't the most active ubuntu user
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: have you even announced the account on the mailing list yet?
[19:29] <Kilos> no inetpro  was hoping you would
[19:29] <Kilos> hehe
[19:29] <inetpro> :-)
[19:29] <Kilos> too far to scroll back to that link you gave me
[19:29] <Kilos> hands frozen
[19:30] <Kilos> one thing about gwibber is it isnt as data hungry as using a browser
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: that's good to know
[19:31] <magespawn> How hungry is pidgin?
[19:34] <Kilos> pidgin mxit uses nearly nothing but msn and aim run the data
[19:34] <Kilos> mxit uses under 200kB the whole day
[19:35] <Symmetria> heh any text communication uses virtually nothing
[19:36] <magespawn> So the pidgin isn't hungry then,depending on the networks.
[19:36] <Kilos> going online to twitter today for the setting up was around 40mB
[19:36] <Symmetria> I think our efnet server averages around 20k/second :P
[19:36] <Kilos> yeah pidgin is great
[19:36] <Symmetria> and thats with like 400 users online on it
[19:36] <Kilos> freenode eats 200kB per hour
[19:38] <Kilos> methinks pidgin mxit only counts the text in and out not all the refreshing freenode does
[19:39] <Symmetria> irc is actually a pretty efficient protocol 
[19:39] <Symmetria> for example, a leaf server will not see traffic for channels/people that arent connected to it or though it
[19:40] <Symmetria> so if you have 5 servers, all through a hub in a star topology, the hub will see it all, but if you have a channel of 10 people, 5 on server 1 and 5 on server 2, servers 3 4 and 5 will see nothing of that channel until someone joins it on one of them
[19:41] <magespawn> That seems a better setup than the star setup
[19:46] <magespawn> So thw traffic only goes to the servers that are active
[19:47] <magespawn> Miss read that at first
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: ok, I posted a message on the ML
[19:49] <Kilos> ty inetpro just got the mail
[19:50] <Kilos> you left you out
[19:50] <magespawn> Hah
[19:51] <inetpro> Kilos: heh I am part of we
[19:51]  * Kilos wonders where maia is
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:52] <Kilos> sorry inetpro 
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[19:53] <Kilos> maybe the monkey will be here monday night as well
[19:53] <Kilos> nuvolari, yoohoo
[19:54] <inetpro> sflr: BTW, where are all those ideas that you wanted on the agenda?
[19:54] <sflr> sorry guys a bit slow tonight. kids are high on hot chocolate and there is school tomorrow.
[19:55] <inetpro> sflr: np, I understand everything
[19:56] <inetpro> but it's time for them to go sleep now
[19:56] <inetpro> :-)
[19:56] <Kilos> haha
[19:56] <Kilos> sflr, ages?
[19:56] <sflr> I wanted to add to agenda: twitter channel announcement (including people who will be able to post), and website updates ideas (ubuntu-za.org)
[19:56] <sflr> inetpro, they supposed to be sleeping an hour ago already
[19:57] <sflr> Kilos, 3 & 9
[19:57] <Kilos> oh my goodness. you must be about ians age
[19:57] <Kilos> or goosies on the outside
[19:57] <inetpro> sflr: shall we put those under Ubuntu Experience?
[19:58] <magespawn> Wow they are up late.
[19:58] <superfly> sflr: we have an almost 3 year old - fun times
[19:58] <inetpro> or rather let's make a standing point called Administrativia
[19:58] <sflr> magespawn, they are high on hot chocolate. :( haha
[19:58] <superfly> magespawn: btw, our sales lady is very please with me ;-)
[19:59] <superfly> *pleased
[19:59] <magespawn> Thats cool.
[19:59] <sflr> inetpro> yes, administrativiakus
[19:59] <Kilos> yay superfly what you sold
[19:59] <superfly> Kilos: Ice, to an Eskimo
[19:59] <sflr> superfly, yeah from there is all downhill. haha
[19:59] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[20:00] <magespawn> Hah
[20:00] <Kilos> maaz define administrativiakus
[20:00] <Kilos> hehe
[20:00] <sflr> how is the new camera? took any lightning photos? lol
[20:00] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[20:00] <sflr> maaz> error 500
[20:01] <sflr> i meant some administrative agenda item, where we can add more items if need be.
[20:01] <Maaz> sflr: *blink*
[20:01] <Kilos> hehe
[20:01] <sflr> lol
[20:02] <Kilos> i love maaz
[20:02] <Kilos> wait till he tells you "You not the boss of me"
[20:03] <superfly> Wow! Humble Indie Bundle V has hit $5 million!
[20:04] <superfly> Just under 3 hours left to pay what you want for a bunch of games that run on Linux
[20:05] <inetpro> sflr: I added the point with you as owner
[20:06] <sflr> cool. guess I have to be here then :P
[20:06] <inetpro> sflr: for sure :-)
[20:06] <inetpro> and superfly as well
[20:06] <inetpro> since he's the chief webmaster
[20:07] <superfly> inetpro: I'll do what I can
[20:07] <sflr> i only play xbox :) Battlefield3 lately
[20:07] <superfly> sflr: apparently Psyconauts and Bastion are excellent... Braid is really good (I have it already)
[20:07] <sflr> that's great. superfly, was thinking to add tweetroll to the site, now that we twitter account
[20:07] <Banlam> finished bastion the other day
[20:08] <Banlam> really fun game
[20:08] <sflr> I must check them out
[20:08] <superfly> sflr: 2.75 hours left, don't waste your time!
[20:09] <zeref> hurrrmmmm
[20:09] <sflr> is it GMT? lol
[20:11] <Kilos> superfly, you the clever editor. help sflr  sort a plea to mweb
[20:15] <inetpro> I just restructured the agenda a bit so we don't waste time jumping around
[20:15] <sflr> which plea? for the server? yeah, if anyone has some input would be great. we can make a generic sponsorship plea letter to raise funds for ubuntuza activities
[20:15] <Kilos> didnt you read the fly sold ice to an eskimo
[20:16] <superfly> a plea to mweb? for what server? Kilos, are you getting your lines crossed again?
[20:16] <Banlam> becomes difficult, when there's no ubuntu bank account, nad people are paying into random accounts
[20:16] <Kilos> irc server
[20:16] <Banlam> accountability becomes an issue
[20:16] <Kilos> freenode sorry
[20:16] <sflr> to get a server superfly, freenode
[20:16] <superfly> pfff, mweb would sooner smoke their socks
[20:16] <Kilos> hehe
[20:17] <magespawn> Could we set a bank account?
[20:17] <sflr> Banlam, good point. we only take goods then.
[20:17] <magespawn> Section 21 company stuff
[20:17] <sflr> you need some trust or entity to open? 
[20:17] <magespawn> Yes
[20:17] <magespawn> Section 21 is a not for profit company
[20:18] <sflr> if we want to organize some big event we need some funds
[20:18] <Banlam> then you need a constitution
[20:18] <Banlam> need accounts audited
[20:18] <sflr> ok. what about tax?
[20:18] <Banlam> major effort
[20:18] <magespawn> Yes it is but could be worth it
[20:18] <sflr> superfly, why do you think mweb wouldnt sponsor us with a server?
[20:18] <magespawn> You pay much reduced tax.
[20:19] <Banlam> you need some committed people, who're gonna be around for at least 5 years to make sure it gets going
[20:19] <sflr> we can look at other loco teams world wide. I'm sure there is someone who can give advice
[20:19] <magespawn> It would pay mweb in advertising alone I think.
[20:20] <sflr> constitution can be tricky to put together
[20:21] <magespawn> Sure we could find an example on the net.
[20:21] <sflr> 5 year commitment? sounds like marriage. however we would need a structure
[20:21] <sflr> then people can still come and go, as long as the roles are defined
[20:21] <Kilos> easiest to just trust someone to look after the  money and shoot him if its short
[20:22] <Banlam> haha
[20:22] <Banlam> that is true :)
[20:22] <sflr> thanks Kilos. haha
[20:22] <Banlam> just need to find someone to trust
[20:22] <Banlam> sflr, it's often difficult to find people to fill those roles
[20:22] <Banlam> it's easy to setup a structure
[20:22] <Kilos> the fly for one
[20:23] <Kilos> goosie for another
[20:23] <Kilos> they past the skelm age
[20:23] <Banlam> what if the goose eats the fly?
[20:23] <Kilos> Banlam, you in pe hey?
[20:23] <magespawn> Have elected posts.
[20:23] <Banlam> this is correct
[20:23] <sflr> the question is how many people see this viable to do? we need goals, visions, short/long term plans etc
[20:24] <Kilos> vincent bullet and vijay something are there too and vijay is getting cds from maia
[20:24] <magespawn> I will see what I can find out.
[20:24] <Banlam> oh, cool
[20:24] <Banlam> getting CDs isn't really an issue
[20:25] <Banlam> if CDs are needed, i'm probably going to make it to stellies next month some time
[20:25] <Kilos> no man just to let you know you arent alone there
[20:25] <Banlam> :)
[20:25] <Banlam> thanks
[20:25] <charlvn> oh my goodness, i just saw a belgian video!
[20:25] <charlvn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnGXcCPJr9E
[20:25] <charlvn> my reaction: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/185/168/misc-jackie-chan-l.png
[20:25] <Kilos> searched through over 1000 mails to get that
[20:26] <sflr> UTAH loco team constitutions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtahTeam/Constitution
[20:26] <Banlam> haha, to find the PE people?
[20:26] <Banlam> we had a SULUG constitution
[20:26] <Banlam> was very simple though
[20:26] <Banlam> don't think it'd pass a NPO setup
[20:26] <Kilos> ya i member some things and pe was one of them
[20:26] <Kilos> just had to find it
[20:26] <Banlam> thanks Kilos
[20:26] <Kilos> hehe
[20:26] <Kilos> yw
[20:27] <Kilos> now you gotta join the lists
[20:27] <sflr> what's SULUG Banlam?
[20:27] <Banlam> stellenbosch university linux users group
[20:27] <Banlam> lol, just signed up to ubuntu za, emails go straight to Gmail's spam folder
[20:27] <Kilos> haha
[20:28] <Kilos> yeah i had to tell it they not spam a coupla times
[20:28] <Kilos> i think if they see linux commands they start shaking
[20:29] <Banlam> haha
[20:29] <sflr> thanks Banlam
[20:30] <Banlam> a couple times we considered joing the universities society's council. would have given us some benefits, but would have required a lot of work
[20:30] <Banlam> and commitment was a problem
[20:30] <Banlam> we have a much smaller active user base
[20:31] <Banlam> trying to a committee was a challenge itself
[20:31] <Banlam> * ..to fill a...
[20:31] <magespawn> I would like to find out how to do it anyway, so I will do some research and we can look from there.
[20:32] <Banlam> ewwww: http://www.npo.org.za/
[20:32] <bakuman> And now there is not even a secretary, because he decided he had enough and packed his bags and left us
[20:32] <Banlam> hahaha
[20:33] <Banlam> you know it wasn't by choice
[20:33] <Banlam> well, not my first choice
[20:33] <sflr> hahaha. lol
[20:33] <bakuman> haha
[20:33] <Banlam> bakuman, dalk moes ek die jaar net afgevat, n BA gedoen en sommer in stellies geblyu
[20:34] <sflr> i think NPO site is not the correct one
[20:34] <sflr> looks, smells, tastes dodgy
[20:35] <Banlam> i think it does have useful info on it
[20:35] <Banlam> even if it's not the official government website
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[20:35] <Banlam> o.O
[20:35]  * Banlam curses PDFs
[20:35] <Kilos> oh my
[20:35] <Banlam> my bad
[20:35] <Kilos> hehe
[20:35] <Kilos> spam spam spam
[20:35] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[20:35] <bakuman> lol
[20:35] <inetpro> eish!
[20:36] <Banlam> basically, you fill in a form, write up a constitution and have a committee of at least 5 members
[20:36] <Kilos> hee hee heeeeee
[20:36] <sflr> very cool art. comes in colors?
[20:36] <bakuman> so gaan een van julle vir ons n app code? http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/
[20:36] <Banlam> then you wait 8-12months
[20:36] <inetpro> you guys talk lots this evening?!
[20:36] <Banlam> and register with SARS for tax emption
[20:36] <bakuman> its because of the Bannn Lammmm
[20:36]  * inetpro lol at Banlam "what if the goose eats the fly?"
[20:37] <Banlam> :P
[20:37] <Kilos> lol
[20:37] <sflr> you mean need to wait for a year? whats the benefit of registering? just for SARS?
[20:37] <Banlam> no, that's just part of the process
[20:37] <Banlam> the year is for the application to be processed
[20:37] <sflr> i see. ok. have you done this before Banlam?
[20:38] <sflr> bakuman, do you have any ideas for AppShowdown?
[20:38] <Banlam> not specifically, i'm just looking around here, but my mom has formed and helepd run an NPO for the past 15years
[20:38] <Kilos> i told you, use a private account and maybe even make it so 2 peeps must sign
[20:38] <Banlam> kilos, yeah that will be the least hassle
[20:39] <Banlam> just need to find the two people who live close to each other, and are willing
[20:39] <sflr> ok, thats good news
[20:39] <bakuman> nope sflr, nothing i have time for at least
[20:39] <magespawn> And ppl you can trust
[20:40] <sflr> trust with what magespawn? 
[20:40] <sflr> the money part?
[20:40] <magespawn> Yup
[20:41] <sflr> whoever wants to make money off ubuntuza community will burn in hell (Judas 11:44) #truestory
[20:41] <Banlam> :P
[20:41] <sflr> it is reality though
[20:42] <sflr> members who join must sign ubuntu code of conduct
[20:42] <sflr> must be in the constitution
[20:42] <magespawn> Most ppl who would steal money do not believe or care
[20:43] <sflr> I know magespawn, we can raise money for events then.
[20:43] <sflr> But we might also get a big sponsorship from a company for a year
[20:44] <sflr> then they will also keep us accountable on where the money was spent etc
[20:44] <Kilos> where is judas
[20:44] <Kilos> is that afrikaans
[20:44] <Banlam> it's unlikely that a company will give sponsorship unless we're registered as an NPO or some organisation
[20:44] <sflr> judas priest?
[20:44] <Banlam> too many people scamming these days
[20:45] <sflr> yes Banlam, we are getting the NPO or some legal entity
[20:45] <Banlam> then we also need to find a kindly soul or make sure we'er getting enough money to pay for auditers
[20:45] <sflr> this is late night philosophy, but if we see a need to do it, then we should
[20:46] <magespawn> Or sponership for auditors
[20:46] <Banlam> yup
[20:46] <sflr> Banlam, doesnt the state has auditors? we promote free software. 
[20:46] <Banlam> sflr, if they do, I doubt they'll let us use them for free
[20:47] <Kilos> arent the rules for a cc cheaper anmd less involved
[20:48] <sflr> we must recruit then professionals from different disciplines into the community. then they can help us. I mean it in a good way.
[20:48] <Banlam> you can no longer form CCs
[20:48] <Kilos> whew
[20:48] <sflr> CC is history
[20:48] <Banlam> unfortunately :/
[20:48] <Banlam> but CC won't give us the NPO status
[20:48] <Banlam> which is what you want
[20:49] <Banlam> to be tax exempt, and get donations from big companies
[20:49] <Banlam> but yes, recruiting is essential
[20:49] <magespawn> Yup with npo fund raising number etc.
[20:51] <sflr> NPO it is then?
[20:52] <sflr> should we raise issue on monday meeting? to go legal? lets see what other people think
[20:52] <Kilos> ask in the lists if there is an auditor in our community
[20:52] <magespawn> Yes lets add it to the agenda.
[20:52] <sflr> Maaz> who is auditor in our community?
[20:52] <Maaz> sflr: Not a clue, sorry
[20:52] <Banlam> it will be a long process which cna be beneficial long term, lots to discuss, but you may as well get the ball rolling
[20:52] <Banlam> lol
[20:53] <Kilos> hehe
[20:53] <sflr> I agree Banlam, it will take months and lots of discussions. As long as we have a clear goal and vision of why we doing it, we will make it
[20:54] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight and warm
[20:54] <sflr> Maaz> please recruit an auditor
[20:54] <Maaz> sflr: Sorry...
[20:54] <Kilos> haha
[20:55] <sflr> I am also out for the day. Cheers
[20:56] <inetpro> good night all
[20:56] <magespawn> Bye Kilos sflr
[20:56] <magespawn> Night all
[20:59] <inetpro> Maaz: seen highvoltage
[20:59] <Maaz> inetpro: highvoltage was last seen 21 days, 3 hours, 7 minutes and 5 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-05-24 10:52:51 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-05-29 17:48:26 PDT
[21:00] <inetpro> I hope that highvoltage and tumbleweed will be able to attend our meeting on Monday
[21:01] <inetpro> will be nice to get feedback from the UDS event
[21:02] <inetpro> marcog: any more ideas for the Agenda from your side?
[21:02] <inetpro> Maaz: seen drubin
[21:02] <Maaz> inetpro: drubin was last seen 20 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes and 25 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-05-24 15:49:27 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2012-06-02 17:55:07 PDT
[21:03] <inetpro> drubin: you are way to quiet these days
[21:06] <charlvn> nn all