[07:02] <dpm> hi all
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <noodles775> Morning dholbach
[07:08] <dholbach> hi noodles775
[08:47] <RobinJ1995> I've started on a small aplication with Quickly, but can't find out how I add an image to a button in the Glade designer. I've created an image widget and assigned an image file to it, and assigned the image widget to the button, but it simply doesn't show up.
[08:50] <dpm> hi RobinJ1995, I think this is an issue with glade. Try the following:
[08:50] <RobinJ1995> quickly run? same
[08:50] <dpm> 1. Save the image under your data/media directory
[08:51] <RobinJ1995> it is in there, i thought that was the problem at first
[08:51] <dpm> bear with me...
[08:51] <RobinJ1995> ok :p
[08:51] <dpm> 2. When you're specifying the image path in glade, make sure to prepend ../media/ to the file name
[08:51] <dpm> that's always worked for me
[08:54] <dpm> RobinJ1995, did that work?
[08:54] <RobinJ1995> ../media/connect.png
[08:54] <RobinJ1995> didnt work
[08:55] <dpm> does 'quickly run' not load the image?
[08:55] <dpm> (it might seem obvious, but make sure you've saved the glade file before running 'quickly run')
[08:56] <RobinJ1995> nope
[08:57] <dpm> can you push your code somewhere to have a look at it? If you've got a launchpad account, you can do bzr push lp:~your_launchpad_id/+junk/your_app and I can try to see if I spot what's going on
[08:59] <RobinJ1995> do i have to create a lauchpad project page for the app? or has quicly done that for me?
[09:00] <RobinJ1995> because i'd actually want to create a launchpad project page for it, but i have no control over what quickly does...
[09:00] <dpm> RobinJ1995, you'll generally have to create a project yourself. But for now, you can just create a throwaway branch with the command I mentioned above
[09:01] <RobinJ1995> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied
[09:01] <RobinJ1995>  Project '+tmp' does not exist.
[09:01] <dpm> RobinJ1995, can you please post the full command line? I've no idea which command you ran there
[09:02] <RobinJ1995> robin@RobinJ:~/Ubuntu One/Python/remote-control$ bzr push lp:~robinj/+tmp/remote-control
[09:02] <RobinJ1995> Working tree "/home/robin/Ubuntu One/Python/remote-control/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). Uncommitted changes will not be pushed.
[09:02] <RobinJ1995> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~robinj/+tmp/remote-control/": : Project '+tmp' does not exist.
[09:03] <dpm> RobinJ1995, please read again the command I mentioned above. It's +junk, not +tmp
[09:03] <RobinJ1995> oh, i thought that was a random thing it would create by itself
[09:03] <RobinJ1995> junk must be a default one then
[09:03] <dpm> no, sorry, I should have probably specified that
[09:03] <RobinJ1995> Created new branch.
[09:04] <dpm> yeah, +junk is a place in Launchpad where you can store temporary branches
[09:04] <dpm> it's quite handy
[09:04] <RobinJ1995> https://code.launchpad.net/~robinj/+junk/remote-control
[09:04] <RobinJ1995> indeed it is
[09:04] <dpm> cool, let me have a look...
[09:05] <RobinJ1995> one thing i really dislike about gtk; designign a gui is just as much hassle as writing the actual code
[09:06] <dpm> :)
[09:10] <jokerdino> ping.
[09:10] <jokerdino> anyone?
[09:11] <dpm> anyone what?
[09:12] <jokerdino> uh this --> http://askubuntu.com/questions/151148/how-do-i-participate-in-the-ubuntu-app-showdown
[09:12] <jokerdino> i got really confused after answering the question.
[09:12] <RobinJ1995> yeah it's not at all clear
[09:17] <dpm> jokerdino, let me see if I can answer it
[09:17] <jokerdino> thanks. let me know when you do that so I can delete my answer then.
[09:18] <dpm> RobinJ1995, actually, I think images are not appearing on buttons because of a global desktop setting. Have a look at the second answer on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2188659/stock-icons-not-shown-on-buttons
[09:18] <jokerdino> is mr twobottux working alright here?
[09:19] <dpm> jokerdino, it wasn't a few days ago, but it seems it is now
[09:19] <dpm> at least I could see the two latest questions on the channel not long ago
[09:19] <jokerdino> alright. that's good then.
[09:19] <RobinJ1995> dpm, changing that gconf key makes no difference at all. if i place the image in an image control it doesn't show up either
[09:21] <dpm> RobinJ1995, weird. I cannot make it load, either. I'm loading images in buttons in my app, but it's a button inside a toolbar, not a plain button. You might want to ask on AskUbuntu -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=application-development
[09:21] <dpm> That said, the code you pushed was missing the image path in the image control in Glade, but even after putting it there, I could not load the image
[09:22] <RobinJ1995> :/
[09:22] <RobinJ1995> in other words; glade is beta?
[09:22] <RobinJ1995> *glade designer
[09:23] <RobinJ1995> anyway, where do i put the image path in which file?
[09:26] <dpm> RobinJ1995, here: http://ubuntuone.com/1p7rEvQP0QtYOkT5BDfoMQ
[09:26] <dpm> jokerdino, your answer looks good to me, but do you mind if I edit it a bit?
[09:26] <RobinJ1995> yeah i know but it is there
[09:27] <dpm> yes, that's what I said ^^, I was just pointing out that it wasn't in the code you pushed on +junk, but even after adding it, it didn't make a difference.
[09:27] <dpm> I'd recommend asking on askubuntu, then, I cannot help further, sorry :/
[09:28] <RobinJ1995> okù
[09:28] <RobinJ1995> thanks anyway
[09:28] <jokerdino> dpm: i don't mind. feel free.
[09:35] <jokerdino> dpm, thanks for the edit. makes it very clear.
[09:37] <dpm> jokerdino, no worries. I'll add the question to the FAQ
[09:38] <jokerdino> thanks! that should help others with the same question.
[09:42] <dpm> so if you guys have got any other questions related to the contest not covered by the rules or in the faq, feel free to ask them on askubuntu and then I'll add the relevant ones to the faq
[09:42] <dpm> I'm creating an ubuntuappshowdown tag too
[09:44] <dpm> http://askubuntu.com/tags/ubuntuappshowdown
[09:49] <jokerdino> ah, markdown doesn't work on tag excerpts.. :/
[09:52] <RobinJ1995> dpm; are we only allowed to start our project on the 18th? as i'll miss out for a few days because of my exams, during the foreseen 3 weeks
[09:52] <RobinJ1995> and i'll miss out on the last week entirely as i'm going to london
[09:52] <dpm> RobinJ1995, feel free to start it already
[09:52] <RobinJ1995> just done so
[09:52] <RobinJ1995> :p
[09:53] <dpm> cool :)
[09:53] <RobinJ1995> only i'm fairly new to python and glade
[09:53] <RobinJ1995> only experimented with it a bit
[09:56] <RobinJ1995> oh cool i've unintentionally made a linux "virus" :')
[09:57] <RobinJ1995> `quickly run` --> Compiz has closed unexpectedly
[09:57] <RobinJ1995> the result of making the width request 3500 in stead of 350... little typo
[10:06] <RobinJ1995> -.- is quickly supposed to add menu items to my application which i dont want there?
[10:18] <RobinJ1995> guys? can anyone tell me why the handler doesn't work? it complains that it isn't there, but it is... http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads5/4fdb0bc43b8e0/4fdb0bc41f7ae-Screenshot_from_2012-06-15_12%3A17%3A16.png
[10:18] <RobinJ1995> i've tried adding the def at the bottom of the file first, but the same thing happened
[10:19] <RobinJ1995> oh wait... python interprets indents
[10:19] <RobinJ1995> nope still no succes
[10:20] <RobinJ1995> nvm, i got it working :)
[10:33] <dpm> ok, glad you managed :)
[11:08] <beemaster> Hello, ubuntu developers! Does anyone know if I can use Qt instead of GTK in canonical 3-week contest? It's a bit strange that developers are forced to use GTK and in the same time Qt Software is a sponsor...
[11:08] <pavolzetor> As far as I know, you cannot
[11:08] <pavolzetor> since Quickly is GTK
[11:08] <pavolzetor> Ubuntu is GTK
[11:10] <pavolzetor> There is a Qt template for Quickly in the works, it should be in 12.10 and hopefully backported to 12.04 as soon as it's ready
[11:10] <pavolzetor> "There is a Qt template for Quickly in the works, it should be in 12.10 and hopefully backported to 12.04 as soon as it's ready"
[11:10] <pavolzetor> mhall
[11:14] <beemaster> Really, this is really weird. I think that Qt is very natural and convenient way of writing apps for Ubuntu. And I can't use it to participate in the contest? Qt Software is a sponsor? Are you kidding me? Where is the logic???
[11:15] <pavolzetor> QT does not fit
[11:15] <pavolzetor> it looks awkward
[11:16] <pavolzetor> also ubuntu does not contain QT in default installation (ubuntu Q forwards)
[11:16] <pavolzetor> hmm, or it might
[11:16] <pavolzetor> sorry
[11:16] <beemaster> it does
[11:16] <pavolzetor> there is qt in U!
[11:16] <pavolzetor> U1
[11:16] <pavolzetor> Actually I do not understand what is goal of this content too :)
[11:17] <pavolzetor> but cross fingers for devs to make beautiful apps, I am curious about quality
[11:17] <dpm> hi beemaster, right now there is only one official Ubuntu application template in Quickly, and it is based on Python and GTK. We cannot recommend the Qt template until it's been finished and it's stable. See also askubuntu.com/questions/151128/is-quickly-a-python-only-development-tool/
[11:17] <beemaster> Let people use tools they like, then there will be more apps
[11:17] <pavolzetor> if you look at some apps developed for years, and they still have annoying bugs :)
[11:18] <dpm> we're actually discussing relaxing the rules, so stay tuned for updates
[11:18] <dpm> but until further notice, these are the rules
[11:18] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/rules/
[11:19] <dpm> and the sponsors do not dictate the rules, they have just kindly supported us with some awesome prizes
[11:21] <pavolzetor> what are quality requirements?
[11:21] <beemaster> so why you dictate so stupid rules? :)
[11:21] <beemaster> app does not need quickly to be awesome
[11:21] <pavolzetor> they want to attract new people, I assume
[11:22] <pavolzetor> It is quite hard to learn PPA, Gtk, and all stuff for newbie in few weeks
[11:22] <pavolzetor> so quickly helps there
[11:22] <pavolzetor> but not me :D
[11:23] <beemaster> Ok, I don't mind others to use it, but I want to use Qt!
[11:23] <pavolzetor> QT does not find in ubuntu
[11:23] <pavolzetor> it looks like second class citizen
[11:23] <pavolzetor> I do not like that
[11:23] <pavolzetor> but I am user
[11:24] <pavolzetor> e.g. I use clutter with Gtk and I am also ruled out, so do not get mad, it is impossible to create something dynamic in gtk
[11:24] <pavolzetor> so I can understand that you want QT or something else
[11:24] <dpm> beemaster, we've put quite a lot of thought in the contest and to define the rules. That is simply your opinion. The goals of the contest are clearly stated on http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/rules/
[11:25] <dpm> pavolzetor, why do you think you're ruled out from the contest by using Clutter? That shouldn't be an impediment to participate
[11:26] <pavolzetor> I started also earlier with developement
[11:26] <pavolzetor> so never mind
[11:26] <pavolzetor> You said you need to use Gtk
[11:27] <pavolzetor> or someone in comments on omgubunut i think
[11:27] <beemaster> Qt Quick is the future, it would be great if you attract people to it instead of some old stuff.... yes, this is my opinion. Thank you anyways for clarifying the rules!
[11:28] <dpm> beemaster, if you'd like to contribute to that goal, I'd recommend helping out with the Qt template in Quickly :)
[11:28] <pavolzetor> beemaster: I do not think so
[11:29] <pavolzetor> native libs are always better, it is more work, but it looks better
[11:30] <dpm> pavolzetor, ah, gotcha. Have you not considered creating a new app?
[11:30] <pavolzetor> probsably not
[11:30] <pavolzetor> I do not have idea
[11:30] <dpm> oh, wait, I can help with that...
[11:30] <pavolzetor> and I want to finish first one ;)
[11:30] <pavolzetor> I am rewriting framework, so it will use AWS
[11:30] <pavolzetor> for sync
[11:31] <dpm> pavolzetor, check this out in any case, lots of app ideas up for grabs :) http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppShowdown
[11:31] <pavolzetor> going to have look
[11:33] <pavolzetor> http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/v1zyu/app_idea_photo_collage_maker/
[11:33] <pavolzetor> www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/v345u/app_idea_pretty_music_player/
[11:33] <pavolzetor> these two are only I like for mass market
[11:34] <pavolzetor> I think they should have higher priority
[11:34] <pavolzetor> mainly photo collage maker
[11:34] <pavolzetor> normal users will not vote on reddit ;)
[11:35] <dpm> pavolzetor, if you've got any suggestions for any better voting and idea submission platform as lightweight to manage as reddit, I'm all ears :)
[11:35] <pavolzetor> Are there any plans for tight twitter/facebook integration into platform in ubuntu?
[11:35] <dpm> Gwibber does that already
[11:36] <dpm> and has an api you can use for your apps
[11:36] <pavolzetor> dpm: I think, the best would be look at other platforms what are top apps (not crappy ones) and just make list
[11:36] <pavolzetor> basic users do not care/vote
[11:36] <pavolzetor> so you need smart people to make decision
[11:37] <pavolzetor> I am going to look at gwibber api
[11:37] <dpm> right, but we want to have community participation, not just dictate ideas. This is about app ideas, not decisions
[11:38] <dpm> the app ideas are there just to help participants with inspiration
[11:38] <pavolzetor> dpm: what about splitting it 50/50
[11:38] <pavolzetor> community/canonical
[11:39] <dpm> splitting what?
[11:39] <pavolzetor> dpm: I had look at gwibber
[11:39] <pavolzetor> like there will be some canonical(business people) ideas
[11:39] <pavolzetor> and some comunnity
[11:40] <dpm> there is no such separation
[11:40] <pavolzetor> community is nice example of bicycle shed problem
[11:40] <dpm> everyone can submit ideas
[11:40] <dpm> and canonical employees are also part of the community
[11:40] <dpm> in fact, they can participate in the contest
[11:40] <dpm> as long as they don't do it as part of their work
[11:40] <pavolzetor> I see, that is okay
[11:40] <pavolzetor> but I wanted to allude
[11:41] <dpm> so we've just been submitting ideas organically, really
[11:41] <pavolzetor> that you need to have some great people who make decisions, community will argue forever
[11:41] <dpm> I agree, but my point is that this is not about decisions, this is an initiative to give app authors ideas
[11:41] <pavolzetor> okay :)
[11:41] <dpm> the best app will not be picked up from there
[11:41] <pavolzetor> gotcha
[11:42] <pavolzetor> so it is kinda brainstorming
[11:42] <dpm> the best app will be something real that someone creates and submits :)
[11:42] <dpm> exactly :)
[11:42] <pavolzetor> to gwibber point
[11:42] <pavolzetor> I looked at API
[11:42] <dpm> ok, gwibber
[11:42] <dpm> caveat:
[11:42] <pavolzetor> what I had in mind
[11:42] <dpm> the gwibber api and gtk widget is pending an SRU
[11:42] <dpm> to make it work on 12.04
[11:43] <pavolzetor> I see
[11:43] <pavolzetor> what I wanted to say
[11:43] <dpm> and we've got a tutorial in the works
[11:43] <dpm> ok, go ahead, sorry
[11:43] <pavolzetor> it is obvious Facebook is standard for communication now
[11:43] <pavolzetor> ongoing revolution
[11:43] <pavolzetor> so I would love to have
[11:43] <pavolzetor> nautilus/shotwell/empathy integration
[11:43] <pavolzetor> like you just login, and enter your name
[11:43] <dpm> gotcha
[11:43] <pavolzetor> and password
[11:44] <pavolzetor> and you have got eveything synced
[11:44] <pavolzetor> also calendar with birthdays and events
[11:44] <pavolzetor> actaully I am gonig to apply for job in facebook, because I wnat to be part of revolution
[11:45] <pavolzetor> and I assume ubuntu is going to tablet market too
[11:45] <pavolzetor> since PC are becoming more techie than consumer market
[11:45] <dpm> you should apply for a job at Canonical. Ubuntu is the revolution :)
[11:46] <pavolzetor> I am student, canonical does not have internships ;)
[11:46] <pavolzetor> and facebook is just huge
[11:46] <pavolzetor> they need to develop phone, and I have dreamed about it for a long time
[11:47] <RobinJ1995> this might be a stupid question... but how do i decrease the size of a text entry in glade designer?
[11:47] <pavolzetor> but are there any plans for tablet, but I mean with strict design
[11:47] <RobinJ1995> oh wait there's a width in characters thing
[11:48] <pavolzetor> dpm: are there any plans for that?
[11:48] <dpm> pavolzetor, for tablet? Yes, we're looking at multiple devices phone, tv, tablet... but I'm not very much involved in that part
[11:49] <pavolzetor> I see
[11:49] <pavolzetor> I know it is very hard
[11:49] <pavolzetor> you have got scarce resources (people)
[11:49] <pavolzetor> and gnome is not going that waty
[11:49] <pavolzetor> way
[11:50] <pavolzetor> I think ubuntu can be major success on phones, all phones I had sucked
[11:51] <pavolzetor> Android is the worst
[11:51] <pavolzetor> Iphone and WP7.5 are not that bad
[11:51] <pavolzetor> I just want to say, that it seems to me, that train is moving at some speed, and ubuntu cannot cope with it
[11:51] <pavolzetor> :/
[11:54] <dpm> we're on it :)
[11:54] <pavolzetor> dpm
[11:54] <pavolzetor> does not seem to me :(
[11:55] <pavolzetor> in future, majority will use tablets
[11:55] <pavolzetor> or something like that
[11:55] <pavolzetor> pc will be only for people who create something I believe
[11:55] <pavolzetor> so it will be much smaller market
[11:56] <dpm> you seem to be making some bold statements, have you got data to back them up? :)
[11:56] <dpm> (I don't have myself)
[11:57] <pavolzetor> I trust my inuition
[11:57] <pavolzetor> intuition
[11:57] <pavolzetor> going to dig numbers
[11:58] <pavolzetor> Phones are obvious, but for tabltes I need to find numbers
[11:58] <pavolzetor> but if you look what majority do on computer
[11:58] <pavolzetor> is browsing facebook and websites
[11:58] <pavolzetor> on tablet this is much conveniet
[11:59] <pavolzetor> and it was everywhere
[11:59] <pavolzetor> almost every market goes through this
[11:59] <pavolzetor> from geeky/techie to consumer
[11:59] <pavolzetor> cars
[12:00] <pavolzetor> computers
[12:00] <pavolzetor> 67 millions of iPads were sold
 you seem to be making some bold statements, have you got data to back them up? :) << i think he might actually be right, though "android sucks" is relative. i personally hate iOS
[12:01] <pavolzetor> I have android
[12:01] <pavolzetor> it is too geeky
[12:01] <pavolzetor> people do not understand it
[12:01] <pavolzetor> I mean consumers
[12:01] <RobinJ1995> i have an android tablet as well, but it's just.... buggy and the apps are usually low quality
[12:01] <RobinJ1995> what? what's so hard about android?
[12:02] <pavolzetor> I can use android ;)
[12:02] <pavolzetor> but UX is horrible even in ICS
[12:02] <RobinJ1995> in iOS it took me 10 to set a custom ringtone on an iPhone only to find out that it wasn't possible
[12:02] <pavolzetor> I give you examples
[12:02] <pavolzetor> bottons at bottom (hard to reach with thumb, also on iphone)
[12:02] <RobinJ1995> what? how're they hard to reach?
[12:03] <RobinJ1995> i can reach the back button with my thumb
[12:03] <pavolzetor> if I hold phone, they are too far
[12:03] <RobinJ1995> depends on the model probably
[12:03] <pavolzetor> also top bar
[12:03] <RobinJ1995> but still the bottom is the most reachable part :p
[12:03] <RobinJ1995> top bar? android doesn't have a top bar
[12:03] <pavolzetor> it does
[12:03] <RobinJ1995> it doesn't, anymore ;p
[12:03] <pavolzetor> one iwth signal, battery
[12:04] <pavolzetor> hmm, I still have it
[12:04] <pavolzetor> awkward
[12:04] <RobinJ1995> you have android 2.0?
[12:04] <pavolzetor> 4.4
[12:04] <RobinJ1995> 4.4 doesn't even exist
[12:04] <pavolzetor> 4.0.4
[12:04] <RobinJ1995> 4.0.4 doesn't have a top bar
[12:04] <beemaster> help
[12:04] <beemaster> !help
[12:04] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[12:05] <beemaster> how to get available commands here?
[12:05] <RobinJ1995> pavolzetor, where do you see the top bar? http://ubuntuone.com/3w0ipx8eaMg2p7Zi5a1AUn
[12:05] <pavolzetor> http://developer.android.com/sdk/images/4.0/home-lg.png
[12:06] <RobinJ1995> ... must be phone-specific, cause the tablet  certainly doesn't have it
[12:06] <pavolzetor> okay, now it is bottom bar, but is is useless, they should have it on lock screen, I do not care about battery until it is problem
[12:06] <RobinJ1995> anyway, i dont think having it at the top is a bad idea
[12:06] <pavolzetor> I have it on phone
[12:06] <RobinJ1995> i would want it on a phone :p
[12:06] <pavolzetor> but you do not care about signal or batter, if it is not low
[12:07] <pavolzetor> also sides should be touchfriendly
[12:07] <pavolzetor> so yo udo not have to search for volume up/down buttons
[12:07] <pavolzetor> just swipe with finger
[12:07] <pavolzetor> this one I want to patent :D
[12:08] <RobinJ1995> actually i do care about it
[12:08] <pavolzetor> why>
[12:08] <RobinJ1995> .... patents suck
[12:08] <pavolzetor> ?
[12:08] <RobinJ1995> it totally blocks innovation
[12:08] <pavolzetor> to be honest, I would love to be part of team developing new phone
[12:09] <pavolzetor> patent would be only way to get into team ;)
[12:09] <RobinJ1995> then go for a job at canonical ;p
[12:09] <pavolzetor> they are not going to make phone ;)
[12:09] <RobinJ1995> patents do nothing good, they just block innovation
[12:09] <pavolzetor> and I am only beginner
[12:09] <RobinJ1995> if apple saw ubuntu as a threat ubuntu would be sued to death in 5 minutes
[12:09] <pavolzetor> but if I make design and publish it, can anybody just copy it?
[12:09] <pavolzetor> I do not want to get moeny from it
[12:09] <pavolzetor> I just want others to make something even better
[12:10] <RobinJ1995> no, they shouldn't be allowed to simple use your design. but patenting things like having a touchpad in the middle of a laptop (fuck apple for that) is just stupid
[12:10] <pavolzetor> but copyright is enough for that probably
[12:10] <pavolzetor> I see
[12:11] <RobinJ1995> if apple can sue a company for using "rounded corners" in their applications, then what can't they sue you for?
[12:11] <pavolzetor> I see
[12:12] <pavolzetor> I think patent should  be used only for smart thing
[12:12] <pavolzetor> s
[12:12] <pavolzetor> like tesla did
[12:12] <pavolzetor> what make me sad is community about gnome
[12:13] <pavolzetor> around
[12:13] <pavolzetor> and to ICS point
[12:13] <pavolzetor> ICS is too complicated
[12:13] <RobinJ1995> ics?
[12:13] <RobinJ1995> stands for?
[12:13] <pavolzetor> it was designed by guy from palm, so yo ucan see it is not totally bfu friendly
[12:14] <pavolzetor> ice cream sandwich
[12:14] <RobinJ1995> ah
[12:14] <RobinJ1995> ics is easy
[12:14] <pavolzetor> for you maybe
[12:14] <pavolzetor> for my dad not
[12:14] <pavolzetor> these people hate buttons and settings ;)
[12:14] <RobinJ1995> yeah but old people shouldn't use smartphones =D
[12:14] <pavolzetor> http://www.nest.com/
[12:14] <pavolzetor> this is beautiful
[12:14] <RobinJ1995> well they don't have any buttons, only an oversized screen :D
[12:15] <pavolzetor> but you can get feel, it just makes me happy when I see it
[12:15] <pavolzetor> but what you are forgeting about
[12:15] <pavolzetor> every human being goes through stages/cycles
[12:16] <RobinJ1995> you've got things for people who like to keep it simple (elementary os, nokia 3310, ...) and you've got things for more advanced people (arch linux, android)
[12:16] <RobinJ1995> that's simply how it is :p
[12:16] <pavolzetor> I know, there are eceptions like you, or some geeks :)
[12:16] <pavolzetor> but I just want to contradict with your smartphone old people thesis
[12:16] <RobinJ1995> give me something like chrome os, i'll find my way around. give me gentoo, i'll find my way around too.
[12:17] <pavolzetor> you will get to some age, and you like simple things, you spend your time on doing something else
[12:17] <pavolzetor> I was kinda geek
[12:17] <RobinJ1995> and i'd hate both of them at the end of the day :p
[12:17] <pavolzetor> compilling and so on
[12:17] <pavolzetor> but now I jsut do not have time for that
[12:17] <pavolzetor> and I want to use computer, not to play with it
[12:17] <pavolzetor> because I spend my time on something else
[12:17] <pavolzetor> and if you will get family, children
[12:17] <pavolzetor> it will cahnge too
[12:18] <pavolzetor> elementary os is not nice, I do not like it
[12:18] <pavolzetor> just copying mac
[12:18] <RobinJ1995> yeah i know
[12:18] <pavolzetor> when mac is for geeks ;)
[12:18] <RobinJ1995> but it works great for people who like it simple
[12:18] <pavolzetor> iOS is for masses
[12:18] <pavolzetor> chrome os is probably dead end, just sideline of android
[12:18] <smolnij> Hello. Could you plese clarify is that acceptable to submit games to the Ubuntu App Showdown ?
[12:18] <RobinJ1995> iOS? srsly it's crap. friend of my mother constantly calls me for help when she can't get things done on her iPhone. and usually she can't get em done because the option is simply not available
[12:18] <pavolzetor> but you are special
[12:19] <RobinJ1995> am i? :')
[12:19] <dpm> lol
[12:19] <dpm> smolnij, it is acceptable, yes. There is nothing in the rules that prohibits games. In fact, we'd love to see some!
[12:20] <pavolzetor> I might sound crazy, but you will see in future ;)
[12:20] <smolnij> got it, thanks!
[12:20] <pavolzetor> iOS is nice, but I have plenty of ideas how to improve it, what I miss are emotions and focus on devices
[12:20] <pavolzetor> for example
[12:21] <pavolzetor> why icons cannot be faded by degree of usage?
[12:21] <RobinJ1995> because it'd only be confusing and ugly
[12:21] <pavolzetor> so if I use facebook every day, it should be more visible than twitter, which I use not that often
[12:21] <RobinJ1995> but user-friendlyness isn't the biggest problem of software today. the overall quality of software is simply going down the drain at an alarming rate
[12:21] <RobinJ1995> blergh, facebook :p
[12:22] <RobinJ1995> it would be invisivle for me, then
[12:22] <pavolzetor> I think it would not be ugly
[12:22] <pavolzetor> because yo udo not care ;)
[12:22] <pavolzetor> I am doing these news crappy app
[12:22] <pavolzetor> and I am going to play with highlihtinf
[12:23] <pavolzetor> they can be grayed out
[12:23] <pavolzetor> I mean icons
[12:23] <pavolzetor> Quality wise
[12:23] <RobinJ1995> "recently used" section ;p
[12:23] <pavolzetor> recently used is holly mess :)
[12:23] <pavolzetor> because it does not keep position
[12:24] <pavolzetor> I would remove it from every app
[12:24] <pavolzetor> people get confused if you change order of things
[12:24] <pavolzetor> and about quality, I know it is not nice
[12:24] <pavolzetor> but many ubuntu apps does not meet my requirements
[12:25] <pavolzetor> android are almost all crap
[12:25] <pavolzetor> some games are nice
[12:25] <pavolzetor> but apps are horrible
[12:25] <RobinJ1995> well, allmost every application "doesn't meet my requirements"
[12:26] <pavolzetor> my requirements => basic user requirements ;)
[12:26] <pavolzetor> I am basic user
[12:26] <RobinJ1995> windows doesn't meet my requirements because it's slow and inefficient; mac doesn't meet them because it'd cost me 1200 euros to use it; ubuntu doesn't because it's buggy abd slow, but not as buggy and slow as windows
[12:26] <pavolzetor> that is also problem of gnome and so on
[12:26] <pavolzetor> I feel like they create apps for themselves and not for others
[12:26] <RobinJ1995> yeah gnome is aiming at making thiongs easier, but they're just making things more confusing
[12:27] <RobinJ1995> pavolzetor, how come?
[12:27] <pavolzetor> Totem
[12:27] <RobinJ1995> yes?
[12:27] <pavolzetor> Rhythmbox
[12:27] <RobinJ1995> looks ugly, but does a good job
[12:27] <RobinJ1995> rhythmbox is awesome
[12:27] <pavolzetor> just examples of user unfriedlines
[12:27] <RobinJ1995> what's wrong with them?
[12:27] <pavolzetor> okay, I give yo uexample how totem should look like
[12:27] <RobinJ1995> what? they're easier than wmp's cryptic interface....
[12:27] <pavolzetor> in my opinion
[12:28] <pavolzetor> if you launch totem
[12:28] <pavolzetor> there should be nice grid with last seen movies
[12:28] <pavolzetor> and movies you might like
[12:28] <pavolzetor> not just empty screen
[12:28] <pavolzetor> also side pane should be removed completely
[12:28] <RobinJ1995> pavolzetor, agreed, that's a good idea. you should submit that as an idea ;p
[12:29] <RobinJ1995> side pane is good for playlists
[12:29] <RobinJ1995> but should indeed not be theree when not using a playlist
[12:29] <pavolzetor> nobody uses them ;)
[12:29] <RobinJ1995> those are 2 things i've been saying for ages
[12:29] <RobinJ1995> playlists? i use playlists daily
[12:29] <pavolzetor> I mean basic user launch app and want to see movie
[12:29] <pavolzetor> that is reason why he launched totem
[12:29] <pavolzetor> not because of playlists ;)
[12:29] <pavolzetor> you are special, as I said ;)
[12:30] <RobinJ1995> agreed, but when the user uses a playlist the sidebar should be there. otherwise, it should be hidden
[12:30] <pavolzetor> you can sumbit it then ;)
[12:30] <RobinJ1995> actaully, i dunno where
[12:30] <pavolzetor> but this is just start
[12:30] <RobinJ1995> does any of you know where ideas should be submitted to? launchpad -> blueprints?
[12:31] <pavolzetor> just tiny bit
[12:31] <RobinJ1995> ok, tell me then :p
[12:31] <RobinJ1995> what's with rhythmbox?
[12:31] <pavolzetor> isn't it wasting time :)
[12:31] <pavolzetor> ?
[12:31] <RobinJ1995> no, actually i'm curious what you think the problem is with some applications
[12:31] <pavolzetor> okay
[12:31] <RobinJ1995> as i might learn from it :p
[12:32] <pavolzetor> hope devs of particular apps will fix it
[12:32] <pavolzetor> are yo udev?
[12:32] <pavolzetor> what I like is ubuntu light font ;), I love it
[12:32] <RobinJ1995> i'm 17, but might be one day
[12:32] <RobinJ1995> i've made a few apps
[12:32] <pavolzetor> best thing in ubuntu
[12:32] <pavolzetor> haha, I am really old than
[12:32] <RobinJ1995> how old r you?
[12:32] <pavolzetor> 20 :D
[12:32] <pavolzetor> okay
[12:32] <pavolzetor> this is not dating irc
[12:33] <pavolzetor> to rhythmbox
[12:33] <pavolzetor> I do not use it often
[12:33] <RobinJ1995> i know, just asked, and 20's not old yet :p
[12:33] <pavolzetor> because it is more comfortable to listen to music on youtube
[12:34] <pavolzetor> my body says something different ;)
[12:34] <RobinJ1995> http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads5/4fdb2b7ab0aca/4fdb2b7aa14b4-Screenshot_from_2012-06-15_14%3A32%3A33.png << so this is rhythmbox's interface. what's wrong with it? :p
[12:34] <pavolzetor> I have ubuntu Q
[12:34] <pavolzetor> they have changed it
[12:34] <pavolzetor> a little
[12:35] <RobinJ1995> ah 12.10
[12:35] <RobinJ1995> yeah i know they're screwing it up there
[12:35] <pavolzetor> actually, they just polishing bad design
[12:36] <RobinJ1995> lol? what's wrong with the current design?
[12:36] <pavolzetor> I am fascinated by design, but I jsut started
[12:36] <pavolzetor> maybe 2 months ago
[12:36] <pavolzetor> okay
[12:36] <pavolzetor> I will give you list
[12:36] <pavolzetor> it misses streaming
[12:36] <pavolzetor> something like spotify
[12:36] <RobinJ1995> streaming is perfectly possible in rhythmbox
[12:36] <pavolzetor> also sound settings
[12:37] <pavolzetor> not possible as it should be
[12:37] <pavolzetor> but lets talk about design
[12:37] <RobinJ1995> sound settings? sound settings are for your operating system to manage
[12:37] <pavolzetor> nonoi
[12:37] <pavolzetor> I mean slider for settings osund
[12:37] <RobinJ1995> the volume? upper right corner ;)
[12:37] <pavolzetor> yep
[12:38] <pavolzetor> it should not be there
[12:38] <pavolzetor> people do not get it
[12:38] <pavolzetor> they always go to top panel for this settings
[12:38] <RobinJ1995> why not? it's compact and easily reachable up there :p
[12:38] <pavolzetor> it should be smart, so if you get call, it should pause
[12:38] <pavolzetor> I say people do not get it (my father and little sample I had)
[12:38] <pavolzetor> they are not tech savvy
[12:39] <pavolzetor> also
[12:39] <RobinJ1995> and is that because they're simply used to windows? or because it's counter-intuitive? ;p
[12:39] <pavolzetor> I would remove shuffle and repeat fro mto ppanel
[12:39] <pavolzetor> I believe it is counter intuitive
[12:39] <RobinJ1995> because after having used ubuntu for a long time, there's always a war ging on between me and windows explorer
[12:40] <pavolzetor>  I strongly believe
[12:40] <RobinJ1995> what? you just said they should remove the 3 buttons i most use from the top panel
[12:40] <pavolzetor> this should be handled in background
[12:40] <pavolzetor> and mainly, you do not listen to movie and music at one time
[12:40] <pavolzetor> it is nice feature, but not handled properly
[12:40] <pavolzetor> yep, you are special
[12:40] <pavolzetor> as I said
[12:41] <RobinJ1995> no i'm not xd
[12:41] <pavolzetor> playlists
[12:41] <pavolzetor> what people hate is organizing stuff
[12:41] <RobinJ1995> but applications shouldn't be designer ONLY for people who like it simple. people who like it simple can ignore the buttons, peeple who use them have them for easy access
[12:41] <pavolzetor> prove is how calendars are unsuccesfull, even social one like upto
[12:42] <RobinJ1995> i don't, appart from organizing my room
[12:42] <pavolzetor> I am talking about defaults
[12:42] <pavolzetor> and ubuntu is mass market
[12:42] <pavolzetor> or it wants to be that
[12:42] <pavolzetor> you should have few settings and simple stuff
[12:42] <pavolzetor> geeks already probably left
[12:43] <RobinJ1995> i'd say +5000000 users is already mass market :p
[12:43] <pavolzetor> I shouw yo uscreenshot
[12:43] <pavolzetor> mass market for me is at least 50 millions
[12:43] <RobinJ1995> lol
[12:43] <pavolzetor> of people you target at
[12:43] <pavolzetor> so 50 millions of basic users
[12:44] <pavolzetor> there is much more people using computers
[12:44] <pavolzetor> so yo uneed to scale your base
[12:44] <RobinJ1995> well, i'm, at this moment, developing an application. what i'm doing is; i show the basic funtionality which you need to be able to use the application, and there's an expander titled "Advanced", so that advanced options get hidden by default. would you say that's a good way to deal with it?
[12:44] <pavolzetor> basis
[12:46] <pavolzetor> http://ubuntuone.com/1ACuXXKtotntXnaFieH8su
[12:46] <pavolzetor> how should Libreoffice look like in default
[12:46] <pavolzetor> circa
[12:46] <pavolzetor> + overlay scrollbars + global menu
[12:46] <pavolzetor> what are yo udeveloping?
[12:47] <pavolzetor> I need to see screenshot
[12:47] <pavolzetor> you can ask georgi karavasilev
[12:47] <pavolzetor> he is pretty good
[12:47] <pavolzetor> I am begginer, maybe 2 months
[12:47] <pavolzetor> it came organically over years though
[12:48] <RobinJ1995> can't say i agree on the libreoffice thing
[12:48] <pavolzetor> why?
[12:49] <RobinJ1995> because a lot of people don't even realise the global menu is there, and they wouldnt know how to open or save a file
[12:50] <RobinJ1995> pavolzetor, main window: http://minus.com/mbdTHOy0m2/
[12:50] <RobinJ1995> main window with advanced options expanded: http://minus.com/mbdTHOy0m2/2
[12:50] <RobinJ1995> connect window: http://minus.com/mbdTHOy0m2/3
[12:50] <pavolzetor> if you use ubuntu, you will know that about menu
[12:50] <pavolzetor> ;)
[12:50] <RobinJ1995> connect window with advanced options expanded: http://minus.com/mbdTHOy0m2/4
[12:50] <pavolzetor> actaully I believe, menu sohuld be used only in few cases
[12:50] <pavolzetor> so do not make save
[12:51] <pavolzetor> ask that when yo ucreate document
[12:51] <pavolzetor> how yo uwant to name it
[12:51] <RobinJ1995> save automatically? bad idea
[12:51] <pavolzetor> what should your app to do?
[12:51] <pavolzetor> with revisions
[12:51] <RobinJ1995> basically, remote desktop
[12:51] <pavolzetor> so you can roll back
[12:51] <RobinJ1995> something like teamviewer, but native for linux and easier
[12:52] <pavolzetor> is it in python?
[12:52] <RobinJ1995> mac, ubuntu and windows all have revisions implemented
[12:52] <RobinJ1995> yes
[12:52] <pavolzetor> GI?
[12:52] <pavolzetor> or pygtk
[12:52] <RobinJ1995> gtk glade
[12:52] <pavolzetor> I see
[12:52] <pavolzetor> so pygtk probably
[12:53] <pavolzetor> to be honest motorslav@gmail.com
[12:53] <pavolzetor> this guy is much better than me
[12:53] <RobinJ1995> lol
[12:53] <pavolzetor> so what do you do with your app most of the time
[12:53] <pavolzetor> definitely add some spacing
[12:54] <pavolzetor> from edges and between widgets too
[12:54] <RobinJ1995> een more spacing? 0.o
[12:54] <RobinJ1995> *even
[12:54] <pavolzetor> play with it ;)
[12:54] <pavolzetor> but what are steps?
[12:55] <pavolzetor> like you launch app
[12:55] <pavolzetor> than enter someting?
[12:56] <pavolzetor> definitely remove dialog windows
[12:56] <pavolzetor> I recommend to use only one window
[12:56] <RobinJ1995> er, it doesn't do anything yet. i just have those 2 dialogs and that's it for now :p
[12:56] <pavolzetor> for IP address
[12:56] <pavolzetor> does it jump automatically when yo utype?
[12:57] <RobinJ1995> not yet
[12:57] <RobinJ1995> but i was planning on that
[12:58] <kubuntu_guy> Hi, I was wondering if I am allowed to submit more than one App for the Ubuntu App Showdown Contest??
[12:58] <pavolzetor> okay :)
[12:58] <pavolzetor> just get rid of dialog windows
[12:59] <pavolzetor> I have it with passion in emapthy
[12:59] <pavolzetor> hate
[13:00] <RobinJ1995> if you want a clean interface, then often dialogs are your only option
[13:00] <pavolzetor> I do not think so
[13:00] <pavolzetor> you can play with focus, add transitions
[13:00] <pavolzetor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVhlYzIU-s
[13:01] <pavolzetor> my app, but this is old version
[13:01] <pavolzetor> I am working on fucus and animations
[13:01] <pavolzetor> just eample how yo ucan have dialog in window
[13:02] <RobinJ1995> if i got a window with just a + sign in it i wouldnt know what to do ;p
[13:02] <pavolzetor> :D
[13:02] <pavolzetor> ou really?
[13:03] <pavolzetor> okay, just got idea
[13:03] <pavolzetor> you can make it fliud
[13:03] <pavolzetor> fluid
[13:03] <pavolzetor> so it will be organic
[13:03] <pavolzetor> make it flow from right to left
[13:03] <pavolzetor> like some process
[13:03] <pavolzetor> dialogs are evil, because you miss context also
[13:03] <RobinJ1995> well let's first see if i can manage to make the backend ;p
[13:04] <pavolzetor> probably you should look at cluttergtk
[13:04] <pavolzetor> as gtk does not have animations
[13:04] <RobinJ1995> it's not really the easiest application to start with developing in python ;p
[13:04] <pavolzetor> tell me about that
[13:04] <pavolzetor> are you going to make it over dbus?
[13:04] <RobinJ1995> pavolzetor, i do not need animations. i want my application to be responsive and consistent
[13:04] <RobinJ1995> pavolzetor, don't have a clue.
[13:05] <pavolzetor> I though I do not need girlfriend, and I miss human contact now :D
[13:05] <RobinJ1995> first going to experiment a bit with one-way sockets, and then see if i can manage to make it duplex
[13:05] <pavolzetor> I meant you can make it like process, step by stepp
[13:05] <pavolzetor> like on websites
[13:05] <pavolzetor> or music
[13:06] <pavolzetor> go forward
[13:06] <pavolzetor> make it feel like something natural
[13:06] <pavolzetor> animations are pretty good, if you use them properly
[13:06] <pavolzetor> they can hint you direction of flow
[13:06] <RobinJ1995> but they make the application inconsistent with the rest of the desktop
[13:07] <pavolzetor> please contact guy I gave you
[13:07] <pavolzetor> that is problem of desktop ;)
[13:07] <RobinJ1995> no, it's not
[13:07] <pavolzetor> also Iphone was inconsistant
[13:07] <pavolzetor> you have to think out of the bost
[13:07] <pavolzetor> x
[13:07] <RobinJ1995> if you want to develop an application for a desktop, it's your responsibility to follow the guidelines of that desktop
[13:08] <pavolzetor> not if guidelines are bad
[13:08] <RobinJ1995> but the guidelines are good
[13:08] <RobinJ1995> standards are there for a reason
[13:08] <pavolzetor> I do not think o
[13:08] <pavolzetor> so
[13:08] <RobinJ1995> i'm not planning on making inconsistent crap like microsoft
[13:08] <pavolzetor> it still can lok like Gtk
[13:08] <pavolzetor> Metro is actually amazing
[13:08] <pavolzetor> for touch devices
[13:08] <pavolzetor> they just need to play more with focus
[13:09] <pavolzetor> because what people care about is to make things visible, especially things you care about
[13:09] <RobinJ1995> metro is `microsoft claims gnome shell/unity`
[13:09] <pavolzetor> I do not understand that :)
[13:10] <RobinJ1995> well basically it's microsoft's implementation of ubuntu's unity and gnome's dash
[13:10] <pavolzetor> I do not think so
[13:10] <pavolzetor> As far as I know, n microsoft, it takes some time to get news in public
[13:10] <pavolzetor> like kinect was developed much earlier than it was released
[13:11] <pavolzetor> metro si super smart, to be honest, I really like it, on thing from MS (including FSX)
[13:12] <pavolzetor> and it is completely different from unity/shell
[13:12] <pavolzetor> unity is about "I know what I want I search for it"
[13:13] <pavolzetor> metro "I do not search, I have what I wanted already there"
[13:14] <pavolzetor> hope nobody from microsoft/canonical or facebook is in IRC, because I wil definitely get job after presenting my ideas :)
[13:14] <RobinJ1995> ? dunno how you made that up
[13:14] <pavolzetor> what exactly?
[13:14] <RobinJ1995> metro's and uity's search system are exactly the same, appart from that gnome and unity both have a seperate bar for pinning apps to
[13:15] <pavolzetor> no
[13:15] <pavolzetor> metro is less about searching
[13:15] <RobinJ1995> tell me, what's the difference then, according to yu?
[13:15] <pavolzetor> if I go into unity, I search for something
[13:15] <RobinJ1995> metro is just as much aboput search as unity
[13:15] <pavolzetor> in metro, I just launch and see what I wanted
[13:15] <RobinJ1995> no, you dont. the panel at the left side is also unity
[13:15] <pavolzetor> I know
[13:15] <pavolzetor> be it is not on my screen
[13:16] <pavolzetor> they show information in different manner
[13:16] <pavolzetor> to feeling
[13:16] <RobinJ1995> tiles vs icon?
[13:16] <pavolzetor> yep
[13:16] <pavolzetor> tiles are smarter, if you can make it clutterless and paly nicely with user focus
[13:16] <pavolzetor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVhlYzIU-s
[13:16] <pavolzetor> just open any video
[13:16] <RobinJ1995> all i know is that microsoft's metro and ubuntu's unity are both slow and buggy
[13:17] <pavolzetor> it does nto matter
[13:17] <pavolzetor> and go to end
[13:17] <pavolzetor> yo ucan see tiles loading
[13:17] <pavolzetor> left corner to right corner
[13:17] <RobinJ1995> nah, i'm not so much for tiles 8 ;p
[13:17] <pavolzetor> it just feel weirdly
[13:17] <pavolzetor> it shoul pop up randomly
[13:17] <pavolzetor> I am for tiles
[13:18] <pavolzetor> actaully I am for presenting information you care about in smart suit
[13:18] <pavolzetor> unity is slow
[13:18] <pavolzetor> metro is not ;)
[13:18] <pavolzetor> unity is getting bugless
[13:18] <pavolzetor> at least they are going to fix bugs I reported ;)
[13:20] <pavolzetor> anyway, anyone knows why flash videos lag if I use alt tab or dash?
[13:21] <pavolzetor> *I will definitely do not get job*
[13:24] <pavolzetor> I need to go, nice talk, have a lovely day and good luck to all contestants :)
[13:30] <RobinJ1995> eh, metro is slow as well
[13:40] <dholbach> mhall119, if I install a new lens and restart my session, it should work and show up with a new icon in the search thing, right? if it doesn't where would I read that it fails? in ~/.xsession-errors?
[13:41] <mhall119> dholbach: it should auto-start
[13:42] <dholbach> hum hum
[13:42] <dholbach> ok
[13:42] <mhall119> Unity will add the icon when it sees a .lens file in /usr/share/unity/lenses/<lensname>
[13:42] <mhall119> but IIRC, it doesn't start the daemon until it needs it, then it gets dbus to start it
[13:42] <mhall119> I'm not sure where it logs to
[13:42] <dholbach> ok
[13:43] <dholbach> I'll play around with it a bit more and let you know when I run out of ideas :)
[13:55] <RobinJ1995> what the.... ubuntu's failing again
[13:56] <RobinJ1995> it wont let me disable my second monitor
[14:07] <dholbach> hum, I just fell out of the internet - did anyone have an answer to my question? :)
[14:58] <dholbach> mhall119, if you have a bit of time later on today and could branch and test-build the vm-lens and tell me if it works for you, that'd make me happy
[14:58] <dholbach> I'm not quite sure if I'm doing anything wrong
[14:58] <dholbach> but at least all the files should be in the right place already
[15:02] <mhall119> dholbach: sure,what's the branch?
[15:02] <dholbach> mhall119, it's lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/vm-lens
[18:14] <spartan2276> How can I add a secondary Window with Glade using Quickly?  I can build my project but when I add a new window and then I run quickly run the new window is not added.
[18:15] <spartan2276> Quickly is great if you want to build a one window app but it does nothing else not cool
[18:16] <spartan2276> and in the tutorials there is no clear way on how to do this, everything is a single window app
[18:16] <spartan2276> I'm I missing something?
[18:37] <pavolzetor> hello
[18:37] <pavolzetor> I saw post about that other languages and toolkits can be used
[18:37] <pavolzetor> so my question is, if I haven;t published my app, but I have been working on it, if I still can submit it, or write it fro mscratch ?
[18:37] <pavolzetor> thanks
[18:38] <spartan2276> seems like people are very helpful on this channel. it sucks too because Ubuntu is an awesome OS :(
[18:40] <pavolzetor> I havent; published it, only PPA, so I jsut wonder, if I can submit it or not
[20:23] <tom_> hi, I started this project about a week ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXBdApRBdnE but didnt continue it since then.. would it be fine to use it as a base for the Ubuntu App Showdown submission? If not, would it be ok to rewrite this base or wouldn't I be allowed to use it at all?
[20:44] <pavolzetor> tom_: looks nice :), even I think mac design is outdated, but pop up search is lovely :)
[20:44] <pavolzetor> I am asking same question
[20:44] <pavolzetor> but I have been developing it for few month with month gap
[20:44] <pavolzetor> due to exams
[21:25] <tom_> hm..apparently no one knows.. does anyone have an email I could send this question to? :/
[21:42] <JanC> tom_: maybe best ask on askubuntu.com
[21:42] <JanC> this sounds related: http://askubuntu.com/questions/151196/can-i-use-old-code-by-myself-to-build-on-for-my-entry-in-the-ubuntu-app-showdown
[21:48] <tom_> JanC: ah, perfect. thanks :)