[00:04] =/ [03:13] mhall119: pong [03:39] nigelb: pleia2 and nhandler took care of me, thanks [03:40] Someone should probably still look over it [03:46] mhall119: ah cool [03:46] what was wup? something classroom? [03:52] nigelb: Yeah, Ubuntu App Developer Showdown workshops [04:21] aha [05:15] wow, pycon au has juju's engineering manager keynoting? that's cool! [07:02] hi all [07:04] morning [07:07] dpm, see your email :-) [07:07] and bed for me now [07:07] jono, I started writing a reply a few mins ago [07:07] shit [07:07] good morning [07:07] oh well [07:08] * dpm rushes to finish the reply [07:08] I'm sure he'll still read it [07:08] * jussi smacks dpm's hand... think of the children... ;) [07:09] (and think of me, you making my hilights go off :P ) [07:09] dpm, he might just collapse on the bed and pass out [07:09] but maybe he still read it :) [07:09] :) [07:10] dholbach: bah, Jono is made of METAL, he doesn't need sleep! :D [07:15] jussi, just some oil, right? [07:15] dholbach: yeah, about that :D === Gwaihir_ is now known as Gwaihir === Gwaihir is now known as Guest34734 [08:00] morning [08:16] morning czajkowski === Gwaihir_ is now known as Gwaihir [10:21] mhall119: how do i join that trello board if I want to add things? [10:21] mhall119: my trello ID is "alanpope" [11:12] jcastro: ping [11:13] jcastro: this page is really, really unreadable: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/about.html - hurts my head tbh [11:14] that is a wall of text alright [11:14] I dont know if its generated from elsewhere, but its pretty horrible, especially for an "about" page. [11:14] Last Generated on Jun 15, 2012. Created using Sphinx 0.6.4. [11:15] so anyone got a link to a nice, official page that I can pass to someone interested in Juju? [11:16] ahh, this page looks much better: https://juju.ubuntu.com/ === IdleOne is now known as nickspam [13:27] popey: I thought there was a link to join [13:29] mhall119: not that i could find [13:32] I thought you had to be added [13:35] popey: how about on here: https://trello.com/ubuntu [13:36] what are you expecting me to see? [13:36] (I use trello for something else, and have to add people) [13:37] ok, i see lots of boards at that link [13:37] and two of them have no green dot and no numbers next to them [13:37] community team and upstream app developers [13:38] popey: that's the "ubuntu" organization on trello, if you are a member of that you should be able to edit the upstream apps board, I was hoping there was a way to join that [13:41] just add him to the organization [13:42] ok, added [13:43] jcastro: yeah, but I was hoping there was a way for people to join, or at least request to join, without having to email me [13:43] hmm, not sure [13:46] dont think so [13:46] yeah, that worked, thanks chaps! [13:46] you know I'm just going to add a giant list of apps ☺ [13:47] popey: great, you read about the email template and how to follow through with the contact too right :) [13:48] heh [13:48] uhm [13:48] dpm: so it seems we'll need people to email us to get on the trello board === nickspam is now known as IdleOne [13:59] mhall119, iirc there is a setting on each board to allow members to join in themselves once they're part of an organization [13:59] let me check [14:00] dpm: there is, but no way for them to join the organization themselves, IIRC [14:01] right, yeah [14:02] dpm: I've added an extra step for people to email me [14:02] and I'll just add them [14:02] mhall119, ok, cool, sounds sensible, yes [14:16] grrr [14:16] I lost this branch already [14:16] dholbach: what's the url to the code that generates the sponsorship queue? [14:27] dholbach: nm, it's at the bottom of the page, hahah! [14:28] :) [15:01] dholbach, balloons, jcastro, mhall119, dpm all set? [15:01] yup [15:02] yes [15:02] yep [15:02] yee-haw! [15:02] dholbach, balloons, jcastro, mhall119, dpm https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e179fba5019fd0f2352f28767d9f3a4ebe6788ab?authuser=0&hl=en-US [15:03] jonining in... === Gwaihir is now known as Guest56170 [16:29] aucommunity: How should I suggest a developer switch to an application indicator? [16:43] alright my friends [16:43] I call it a day [16:43] have a great WE everyone [16:45] vote up please: http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/v3ncm/although_recommended_quickly_is_no_longer/ [16:46] jono: if i'm writing an app for the showdown, should I open a topic for it on the subreddit? [16:46] marcoceppi, totally - give it a prefix of 'App Submission' [16:47] e.g. 'App Submission: AwesomeApp' [16:47] cool [16:54] jono: "It should only depend on libraries that are available in the Ubuntu 12.04 Ubuntu archives." ☹ [16:54] i wanted to make something that requires a python lib we don't have, so I was gonna bundle it in [16:55] popey, sucks to be you :-) [16:56] haha [16:56] i dunno, with jcastro's team deliberately screwing up my juju charm to favour their own dudes winning.. and now this.. [16:56] time to boycott the community [16:56] :p [16:56] popey, seems about time to :-) [16:57] usually happens about once a year [16:57] twice [16:57] i just dont tell you about the other one [16:57] popey, note how it says "depends" you can include bundled libs :-) [16:57] hah [16:57] excellent [16:57] * popey unboycotts [16:57] popey: hey man, TESTING. [16:57] :) [16:58] yeah yeah [16:58] jono: try not to ruin popey's entry, he might like get your mailing list deleted or something [16:58] │ lotia [16:58] http://inversephase.bandcamp.com/album/pretty-eight-machine [16:59] jcastro, ahhh that old chestnut [16:59] keep on rolling it out jcastro ;-) [16:59] I am like meat and potatoes [16:59] same thing, every day [16:59] hah [16:59] you know [17:00] haha [17:00] if it didn't suck so bad [17:00] this would have been an awesome use of brainstorm [17:00] for app ideas, etc. [17:00] jcastro: That's what reddit is for [17:00] "Make angry birds" [17:00] + [17:00] + [17:00] + [17:00] etc [17:00] It's like Brainstorm done right [17:00] can we put the ideas in the subreddit? [17:00] or is that for app submissions? [17:01] "Better joke generator for Jorge" would be a 5 star app, clearly. [17:02] "Mailing list deletion tool for popey" [17:57] popey, unroll.me? [18:40] if anyone is interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Specs/Mobile [18:47] jono: maybe tomorrow at our Bug Jam/ Debian BSP I can get some more people to test accomplishments [18:47] :D [18:48] jcastro: were using the build juju-charm again tomorrow to roll out package building instances :D [18:48] nice! [18:48] the sbuild one? [18:48] hey something I could use, is a step by step on how to use it in that instance [18:55] jcastro: yeah the sbuild... kees is going to deploy some instances for those of us doing packaging for stuff that needs work in 12.10 and also some Debian work ;) lots of commits coming tomorrow [18:58] yeahw [18:58] we're just the missing the "here's how you an ubuntu developer could use this" [18:58] so people applying for hp cloud accounts know how to use it [19:03] jcastro: I don't know how useful it would be for a Ubuntu Developer.... It seems to work great for BSP/Jams but plenty of developers have chroot [19:04] this works good in scenarios when we are roping non-Ubuntu and Debian devs in who want a crack course on packaging or wanna do work but dont have chroot setup [19:04] plenty of people have older computers though [20:11] App idea: Application that replaces "Daniel Holbach" images and text with "deadmau5" [20:33] jcastro: I'd upvote it [20:33] :D [20:49] jcastro: did you see my complaint earlier? [20:49] no [20:49] [14:13:44] jcastro: this page is really, really unreadable: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/about.html - hurts my head tbh [20:49] [14:14:18] I dont know if its generated from elsewhere, but its pretty horrible, especially for an "about" page. [20:50] holy lol [20:50] ok I can fix that [20:50] :) [21:12] jono: would you reddit http://mhall119.com/2012/06/why-you-should-download-for-ubuntu/ please [21:24] mhall119, one sec [21:24] http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/v426j/why_you_should_download_for_ubuntu_michael_halls/ [21:27] mhall119, did you see we hit /. ? [21:27] :-) [21:32] do people even know you can use quickly to do non-gtk apps? [21:37] hey bkerensa [21:37] are the subway guys going to oscon? [21:37] jcastro: idk [21:37] let me check [21:37] yeah I'd love to know [21:42] mhall119, are we good to go for the Monday sessions? [22:01] jono: yes, and Tuesday, but Monday of next week we need someone to do the multimedia session [22:01] jono: which hit slashdot, the contest? [22:02] mhall119, ok cool [22:02] yep, the contest [22:02] mhall119, so we have both python sessions covered? [22:02] nice [22:03] jono: if I don't hear from Stuart I'll run them both [22:03] mhall119, ok [22:03] jono: I shot you a e-mail about OSCON was just wondering if it got to ya? [22:03] bkerensa, it did, I haven't responded yet [22:03] jcastro: petersed says he hopes to drop by OSCON [22:03] he's traveling until this weekend, from what I've been told, so I don't know if he'll do it or not [22:03] been hectic [22:04] bkerensa, will respond soon [22:04] jono: understandable just wanted to make sure it didnt hit spam... no worries at all :) [22:04] thanks bkerensa [22:04] jcastro: I would really encourage you to hit up PuppetLabs party while at OSCON.... You could push Juju ;) [22:04] they also have good beer [22:24] is anyone running quantal right now that cares to verify an exotic bug for me? [22:42] balloons: whatcha got [22:43] cjohnston, hah.. this craziness: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libio-socket-ssl-perl/+bug/1013883 [22:43] Ubuntu bug 1013883 in libio-socket-ssl-perl "www::mechanize doesn't connect to some XHTML 1.1 sites using ssl" [Undecided,New] [22:43] I want to see if I'm the only one, or if you could reproduce [22:43] are you on quantal? [22:44] if so, sudo apt-get install libio-socket-ssl-perl libwww-mechanize-perl and then run the attached perl script [22:44] look at it first of course (can't trust this balloons guy)! it's real simple, tries to connect to a mobile site [22:44] that will fail to connect and after a wait, it will timeout [22:45] if it connects for you and works, then I'm crazy and my box hates me [22:47] balloons; what script? [22:48] MrChrisDruif, it's attached to the bug report.. here; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libio-socket-ssl-perl/+bug/1013883/+attachment/3191426/+files/wwwtest.pl [22:48] Ubuntu bug 1013883 in libio-socket-ssl-perl "www::mechanize doesn't connect to some XHTML 1.1 sites using ssl" [Undecided,New] [22:50] bug 1013883 [22:50] Launchpad bug 1013883 in libio-socket-ssl-perl "www::mechanize doesn't connect to some XHTML 1.1 sites using ssl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013883 [22:50] So a wget should get it? [22:50] stupid bot [22:50] heh, the bot really spammed text in there [22:51] MrChrisDruif, cjohnston yes. That script uses www::mechanize module in perl (which depends on io::socket::ssl) to issue a connection to an xhtml 1.1 mobile site [22:52] under precise using the older version of the libio-socket-ssl-per the script works and exits properly (showing you a dump of the html source) [22:52] under quantal it never connects and simply times out [22:52] for me at least [22:53] bug 1013883 [22:53] Launchpad bug 1013883 in libio-socket-ssl-perl "www::mechanize doesn't connect to some XHTML 1.1 sites using ssl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013883 [22:53] it must have it cached [22:53] balloons: refresh [22:53] cjohnston, :-) [22:53] I guess that "perl wwwtest.pl" should do it? [22:53] "Error GETing https://online.americanexpress.com/myca/mobl/us/login.do: Can't connect to online.americanexpress.com:443 at wwwtest.pl line 9" [22:54] So I guess that confirms it? [22:54] MrChrisDruif, yep, that's the issue [22:55] Alright, marked as affected balloons [22:55] if you do the same thing on a precise install, it works and prints the americanexpress.com mobile html site [22:55] thanks for helping guys.. I was gunshy about reporting.. [22:55] normally it's just me finding such craziness [22:56] You've found an actual flaw, it's okay to report those ;-) [22:57] Did anyone else bytheway have any issues with ubuntu taking forever to boot after an update of network-manager, also in quantal? [22:58] no [22:58] It was with the update around 23-05-2012 [22:59] 23rd or 24th [23:00] balloons: seen my bug? bug #1013171 [23:00] Launchpad bug 1013171 in shadow "Many package hooks not ported to python3" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013171 [23:01] nice.. when did you upgrade? [23:01] last night/ [23:01] tell me you didn't [23:02] on computer was a dist-upgrade that triggered it, the other I have been trying for a couple of days on a dummy partition.. till i figured all that out [23:02] there isnt anything saying dont upgrade [23:02] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html is a horrible representation right now [23:04] literally you did last night? [23:04] wow [23:04] worst timing all cycle [23:04] i did it yesterday afternoon [23:04] they landed all sorts of python 3 craziness yesterday [23:04] i know [23:04] lolololol [23:04] * balloons falls out of chair [23:04] well.. apport landed 2 days ago and started the problem [23:05] this was a massive fail [23:05] this stuff should have all landed together [23:06] yes.. it's been all week [23:06] :-) [23:06] anyways.. glad your on quantal [23:06] and glad your filing this stuff [23:06] that's a really nice bug you got though.. [23:06] * balloons is jealous [23:07] lol [23:07] I only have one machine on quantal because of this :-( [23:08] * cjohnston is going to find dinner [23:09] o/