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Davieyhola!15:00
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LaneySHIP IT15:00
skaet_lo15:00
skaet_lol even.15:00
skaet_Upcoming dates:15:01
skaet_2012/06/25 - Alpha 2 candidate images15:01
skaet_2012/06/28 - Alpha 215:01
skaet_2012/07/05 - DebianImportFreeze15:01
skaet_Work Items:15:01
skaet_2012/06/15 - 2627 : trending above burndown line.15:01
skaet_Weekly Status:15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001354.html - brendand15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001359.html - ScottL15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001360.html - joshuahoover15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001361.html - gilir15:01
skaet_** 2100 UTC - due time15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001362.html - ogasawara15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001363.html - stgraber15:01
skaet_** 2300 UTC - late but could still prep from.15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001364.html - jdstrand15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001365.html - fabo15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001366.html - astrajava15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001367.html - seb12815:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001368.html - Riddell15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001369.html - ogra_15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001370.html - jibel15:01
skaet_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001375.html - arosales15:01
skaet_Thank you to those teams who got the status in before 2100 UTC.  :)    It helps keep the meeting short, as more discussion can happen on email.15:02
skaet_#topic Questions and Comments15:02
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Questions and Comments
skaet_Workitems are currently at 2627,  at FPF was 2282, so we had some teams that missed the freeze.  We're also starting to trend above burndown line - teams,  please review and update as needed.15:02
skaet_Any teams want to request their workitem burndown trend lines reset?   otherwise will go with what was set on on FPF.15:02
jibelQA15:03
skaet_jibel,  will do.15:03
Riddellwhat is FPF?15:03
skaet_Feature Planning Freeze15:03
Davieyskaet_: I suspect we'll want us adjusted next week.15:03
skaet_Daviey,  will synch with you early next week then.15:04
ogasawaraskaet, I wouldn't mind seeing ours reset as well15:04
arosales+1 Daviey on reset15:04
skaet_ogasawara, arosales,  noted.15:04
skaet_:)15:04
arosalesthanks skaet_15:04
seb128skaet_, can you reset the desktop one as well?15:05
skaet_seb128,  ok,  you're on the list for a reset too.15:05
seb128thanks15:05
Davieyskaet_: Hmm, maybe reset them all? :)15:05
skaet_Daviey,  nah,  only those who are paying attention ;)15:06
stgraberskaet_: looks like edubuntu would need a reset as well (was it actually reset after FPF, the graph suggests otherwise?)15:06
jdstrandsecurity's is fine15:06
seb128jdstrand, you are not a team player! :p15:06
skaet_stgraber,  ok,  edubuntu's on the list now as well.15:06
jdstrandI'm trying, I promise! :)15:06
* skaet_ hugs jdstrand15:06
skaet_any one else who notices,  please chime in before meeting ends.15:07
skaet_I'll head on to other questions now15:07
skaet_..15:07
* skaet_ reminds folks to o/ if they want to get on the question queue15:08
skaet_seb128 - mail list is inconclusive as to how we'll be handling the c++98 and c++0x/c++11 incompatibility.   what's the recommendation?15:08
skaet_is there a plan to get this closed?  or do we need to have a meeting?15:09
seb128skaet_, that would be a question for foundation,doko, that's a gcc,toolchain issue, I don't have good answers15:09
skaet_ogra_, ^ cjwatson ^ ??15:10
cjwatsonI'm not up to date on this, sorry.  It's not a shallow issue.15:10
seb128skaet_, Didier has been trying to discuss it with some other gcc upstream people and they acknowledge some issues that they might fix in 4.7.2 ... but they don't have any fixed schedule for that and it's not really sorted out15:10
cjwatsonI'm not entirely sure how a meeting would help, though ...15:11
skaet_seb128,  is there evidence its impacting more than unity?  (ie.  dependency on c++11 features?)15:11
seb128skaet_, yes15:11
seb128skaet_, other softwares using c++11 features have been mentioned in that discussion15:11
skaet_seb128,  ok,  will fine tooth that thread a little closer then.    didn't have as much time on it as would be good this morning.15:12
skaet_cjwatson,  if right folk are talking, and there's no cross team discussions about workarounds needed, then meeting may not be appropriate.   Just couldn't tell from thread.15:13
seb128skaet_, the utouch stack was listed as well as potentially problematic on that thread and I think somebody mentioned something else but I don't find it now15:13
cjwatsonWhat I mean is that the level of thought required is unlikely to be assisted by a meeting.15:13
DavieyI am also not as close to this issue as i'd like.. but is this something that would manifest itself when packages are rebuilt ?15:14
skaet_ok,  Will move this back to the thread for now then.15:14
ogra_sorry, i'm late15:14
seb128Daviey, yes, it's not happening until you rebuild with gcc-4.715:14
DavieyIe, is it that our toolchain has changed this cycle, and might negatively affect packages which havne't been built this cycle.. particularly risky with SRU's15:14
* skaet_ nods15:15
seb128Daviey, the issue is specific to q so it shouldn't impact SRUs15:15
Davieyseb128: i mean Q SRU's.15:15
Davieyie, we don't catch it pre-release.15:15
seb128right15:15
* skaet_ wondering if a transition plan is going to be needed then...15:16
Davieyperhaps no-change rebuilds soon might help flush this out?15:16
Davieyis doko present ?15:16
skaet_worth discussing with doko,  definitely.    He doesn't seem to be around right now.15:17
* ogra_ will carry it forward to him if he isnt 15:17
Davieysuper15:17
seb128Daviey, upstream is discussing bumping the soname today: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2012-06/msg00223.html15:17
ubottugcc.gnu.org bug 2012 in c "ICE when compiling the current cvs gcc as cross-compiler to mingw32" [Critical,Resolved: duplicate]15:17
seb128Daviey, so I guess we need to see what that goes15:17
seb128what->where15:17
Davieysounds good.15:18
skaet_I think we've got some actions on this topic now,  so moving on.15:18
skaet_..15:18
dokosee http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2012-06/msg00201.html15:19
ubottugcc.gnu.org bug 2012 in c "ICE when compiling the current cvs gcc as cross-compiler to mingw32" [Critical,Resolved: duplicate]15:19
dokosoname bump won't happen15:19
skaet_doko,  thanks for joining.15:20
dokoit's a major pita ...15:20
skaet_doko,  does it make sense to prioritize doing a no-change rebuild, so we can get the scope of this figured out?15:21
dokoskaet_, what for?15:21
skaet_how much upstream c++11 use there is...15:22
skaet_scope of problem15:22
Davieydoko: Sorry, that was my suggestion.. And i admit i don't fully grok the issue at hand.  But i wondered if building this not yet built against 4.7 will help identify problematic packages15:22
dokoright, it would be nice if somebody could analyze the build logs for c++11/c++0x usage15:22
Davieydoko: is there an easy metric in buildlogs?15:22
dokoDaviey, it's only in c++11 mode,15:23
Davieydoko: You are far more experienced in this than anyone.. So really.. What do you suggest as a path forward?15:23
dokoyou should search for -std={c,gnu}++{0x,11}15:23
dokoDaviey, well, first find out which packages are involved. that would be searching the build logs15:24
DavieyI have a script that pulls down build logs for a given package.. If that is of use, i'll certainly help.15:25
dokothen, if library packages do export symbols from the stl, and especiall std::list symbols15:25
dokobut skaet_, Daviey: the real issue is here mixing c++98/c++11 code, which we should avoid anyway15:26
dokothe recent change for c++11 mode broke things evidently, but there were more issues in earlier gcc versions15:27
dokobut I don't want to delay the meeting now15:27
skaet_yup.  ABI changes happen when standards change, so shouldn't be mixed.   Challenge is managing the transition, and libraries.15:27
skaet_ok lets take this to the other channels.15:27
skaet_..15:28
dokoand we don't want a second stack of c++ libs ...15:28
skaet_seb128, From A1 discussions, Ubuntu DVD isn't going to be part of manifest,  any objections to turning it off in the dailies, and removing from the iso tracker.15:28
skaet_?15:28
seb128skaet_, +115:28
seb128i.e: do it, no objection15:29
skaet_:)15:29
skaet_#action remove Ubuntu DVD from daily images and ISO tracker for quantal.15:29
meetingologyACTION: remove Ubuntu DVD from daily images and ISO tracker for quantal.15:29
skaet_thanks seb12815:29
seb128yw ;-)15:29
skaet_seb128,   is it known which images we'll be putting out for 12.04.1?15:30
Riddellskaet_: Kubuntu dvd can go too15:30
skaet_(ie, sometimes we do DVD and sometimes not,  just wondering about it for that manifest as well).15:30
skaet_thanks Riddell,  was going to ask you next.  :)15:30
skaet_Riddell,  just to be clear,  no Kubuntu DVD for 12.10?15:30
Riddellskaet_: right15:31
skaet_#ACTION: remove Kubuntu DVD from daily images and ISO tracker for quantal.15:31
meetingologyACTION: : remove Kubuntu DVD from daily images and ISO tracker for quantal.15:31
seb128skaet_, good question, I'm not sure, I assuming we would ship the same set as for 12.04 for 12.04.1 but I need to check15:31
seb128assuming->assumed15:31
seb128skaet_, I will not get a reply for you before the end of the meeting but it's on my list, I will get back to you about that ;-)15:32
skaet_seb128,  ok,  will you take an action to summarize on ubuntu-release what you want for 12.04.1 for next week?  :)15:32
seb128#ACTION: summarize on ubuntu-release what desktop want for 12.04.115:33
meetingologyACTION: : summarize on ubuntu-release what desktop want for 12.04.115:33
skaet_Riddell,  will you follow up with the images you want for Kubuntu for 12.04.1 as well?15:33
seb128skaet_, ^15:33
skaet_thanks seb128  :)15:33
seb128yw ;-)15:33
Riddellskaet_: ok15:33
skaet_..15:34
Davieyo/15:34
skaet_go Daviey15:34
Davieyseb128: Are you currently working on bug 1008537 ?15:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1008537 in webkit (Ubuntu) "[FTBFS] Segmentation fault during tests" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100853715:35
Daviey(it's impacting us aswell)15:35
seb128Daviey, no, it's the first time I read about it, looking15:35
seb128Daviey, is that a precise or quantal or both issue?15:36
Davieyseb128: quantal... michag mentioned that it was hitting firefox builds?15:36
seb128Daviey, that seems a xvfb issue, I know that others mentioned that as well before15:36
Davieyyeah15:37
seb128Daviey, I will check out with some people, but probably an out of meeting topic15:37
Davieyseb128: sure, thanks.15:38
Daviey...15:38
seb128thank you for pointing it15:38
seb128..15:38
skaet_superm1, Anyone looking into the Mythbuntu failures?  does it make sense to keep it in the dailies?15:39
skaet_hmm... superm1 isn't around, so anyone else know about plans with this image set?15:39
Davieyskaet_: II'm on that team, but not been able to commit any time this week.  I will either make time, or coordinate a plan15:40
skaet_Thanks Daviey.15:40
skaet_..15:40
skaet_anyone else have questions?15:40
skaet_Thanks seb128, arosales, Daviey, cjwatson, ogra_, doko, ogasawara, jibel, stgraber, jdstrand, roadmr, brendand, Laney15:41
skaet_#endmeeting15:41
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stgraberthanks!15:41
ogra_wow, that was a short one15:41
arosalesthanks for chairing skaet_ :-)15:41
ogasawarathanks skaet_15:41
ogra_thanks !15:41
jibelskaet_, thanks15:41
Davieythanks skaet_15:42
* balloons just arrives15:42
Davieyshort meetings means we can release soon, right?15:42
skaet_thanks again for getting the statuses in.  I'll follow up with questions on the mail list for the rest.  :)15:42
cjwatsonskaet_: Mythbuntu is blocked on bug 1001740, which is blocked on some bugs listed therein.  I think we should keep it in the dailies, though, otherwise the hump to get over for the next LTS will be too high.  We don't have to worry overly about failures.15:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1001740 in xfce4-utils (Ubuntu) "[quantal] Please remove xfce4-utils from the archive" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100174015:42
cjwatson(At least one of those bugs is for mythbuntu-something, which is probably the true blocker here, actually.)15:43
skaet_cjwatson,  if you recommend,  ok.   Just was worrying about it being broken and making sure it wasn't orphaned.15:43
cjwatsonBug 100224815:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1002248 in mythbuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[quantal] xfce4-utils is deprecated in 4.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100224815:43
skaet_yeah,  probably we should take this to #ubuntu-release15:43
seb128skaet_, thanks15:45
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