[00:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: on that voltage regulator I get 3V between the middle pin and the bottom pin
[00:04] <Azelphur> but nothing between top and bottom
[00:08] <ali1234> that is wrong
[00:08] <ali1234> you should get 5V
[00:08] <ali1234> on the middle leg
[00:09] <ali1234> actually 5.09V when backight is on, 5.16V when it is off
[00:09] <ali1234> i don't have a C1 either
[00:10] <Azelphur> pretty sure I'm getting 3 on that
[00:11] <ali1234> that indicates the power supply is dropping under load
[00:12] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120615_011045.jpg
[00:12] <Azelphur> but that's with the meter set to 30v
[00:13] <Azelphur> if I set it to 10v the needle just flies off the end :p
[00:13] <diddledan> got to add 10dB (?)
[00:18] <ali1234> analog meter may require calibration
[00:20] <Azelphur> hmm, how do I do that
[00:20] <ali1234> wait
[00:20] <ali1234> you have it set on AC
[00:20] <ali1234> set it to DC +
[00:21] <ali1234> slide switch on top right
[00:21] <Azelphur> now I got just shy of 5V on the middle + bottom pin
[00:21] <Azelphur> :)
[00:22] <ali1234> ok well
[00:22] <ali1234> since it stays connected to USB and you can type when it crashes
[00:23] <ali1234> the fault is almost certainly with the wiring to the LCD board, or the LCD board itself
[00:23] <Azelphur> seems like a reasonable assumption
[00:23] <ali1234> but i still think it's your flaky motherboard usb ports
[00:24] <Azelphur> ali1234: it definitely isn't, I had the same issue on my laptop
[00:24] <Azelphur> I plugged it into my laptop for a while and tried to replicate the issue, it happened pretty quickly and more than once :P
[00:25] <ali1234> what does dmesg say when it resets?
[00:25] <Azelphur> I think your right about a faulty connection, simply typing can throw it occasionally though
[00:25] <ali1234> over-current? or just resets?
[00:25] <Azelphur> I think it just disconnects
[00:25] <Azelphur> I'll try and replicate it again
[00:25] <ali1234> could be bad wiring then
[00:26] <ali1234> but there isn't much you can do about any of that anyway
[00:27] <Azelphur> hehe, looks like it's gonna be annoying and not boot loop now that I want it to
[00:27] <Azelphur> surely if it's just a bad connection, I can fix the connection
[00:28] <ali1234> if you can find it
[00:28] <ali1234> check which parts are live when the PSU is not connected
[00:28] <ali1234> it won't be any of those
[00:29] <Azelphur> I still get nothing with top and bottom pin of voltage regulator btw
[00:29] <Azelphur> is that meant to happen
[00:29] <ali1234> well the top pin is ground
[00:29] <Azelphur> ah
[00:29] <ali1234> i'm not sure about the middle one. it must be in a package where the middle pin is connected to the case, otherwise it is pointless
[00:30] <ali1234> i suspect it switches the hub between bus power and self power
[00:31] <Azelphur> ali1234: that was interesting, I literally just touched the power connector and it turned off
[00:31] <ali1234> yes that will happen if you short it
[00:31] <Azelphur> and if I mess with the power connector, but nowhere near pulling it out, the screen brightness flickers
[00:32] <Azelphur> no I mean I touched it with my hand
[00:32] <ali1234> not the metal parts?
[00:32] <Azelphur> no, just the outside
[00:32] <ali1234> maybe loose connection then
[00:32] <Azelphur> and I can replicate that
[00:32] <ali1234> you mean the boot?
[00:32] <Azelphur> yes, a loose connection in the connectors
[00:32] <Azelphur> yea
[00:32] <Azelphur> literally all I have to do is squeeze the power connector and it turns off
[00:33] <ali1234> ok then definitely bad connection
[00:33] <ali1234> but you still need to track it down
[00:33] <Azelphur> inside the board, or the power connector itself?
[00:33] <ali1234> well it's going to be the cable, or where the cable connects to something
[00:33] <Azelphur> I'm talking about the power connector at the end of the cable
[00:34] <ali1234> which end?
[00:34] <Azelphur> the end that takes power in
[00:34] <ali1234> you mean where it plugs in?
[00:34] <Azelphur> yea
[00:34] <Azelphur> I literally just twiddle or squeeze that and boom
[00:34] <ali1234> is it the right size connector?
[00:34] <Azelphur> yup
[00:34] <Azelphur> I should look for the stock PSU to see if I can replicate with it
[00:35] <ali1234> well it should not do that
[00:35] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:35] <Azelphur> it's extremely delicate, minor movements even with the connector fully in the socket can reboot the keyboard
[00:36] <diddledan> if it's not the original psu then I would guess that's where your problems lie
[00:36] <ali1234> yeah that will be the problem
[00:36] <Azelphur> diddledan: I bought the new PSU because I had this problem in an effort to solve it
[00:36] <Azelphur> trying the stock PSU now
[00:36] <diddledan> aah
[00:36] <diddledan> ok
[00:37] <diddledan> tis just I had an issue with a router where I was using an under powered psu where the router would just seemingly forget about port-forwards but otherwise would function normally
[00:37] <Azelphur> dam, can't replicate it with the standard PSU \o/
[00:38] <Azelphur> yay for trying to fix it and instead adding more problems
[00:39] <Azelphur> I guess I can stick with the stock PSU for a bit, see if it happens again, and catch dmesg next time
[00:39] <Azelphur> then we might have a better idea what's up
[00:39] <ali1234> diddledan: perhaps not high enough voltage to erase flash :)
[00:40] <diddledan> if memory serves it was the same voltage just a 1amp unit instead of 1.2
[00:41] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:51] <meet> how do i edit the icons in top right corner in 12.04?
[01:00] <diddledan> ooh, blender's latest open movie is due in august/september
[01:00] <diddledan> <3 those guys
[01:01] <Azelphur> is that like a new buck bunny? :o
[01:02] <diddledan> same idea, yeah
[01:02] <diddledan> along those lines was sintel
[01:02] <diddledan> they're using live-action footage
[01:02] <diddledan> this time*
[01:03] <diddledan> http://mango.blender.org
[01:03] <diddledan> that's the project homepage
[01:04] <diddledan> I kinda wish sintel was a full-length motion picture.. it has some epic themes
[01:04] <diddledan> I just want "more" of it
[01:06] <diddledan> that's here: http://www.sintel.org/
[05:04] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[05:28] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:33] <mattt> herro
[06:02] <knightwise> hey guyz
[06:03] <knightwise> how are you doing today :à
[06:30] <rjs1064> can i use an oem copy of win7 in virtualbox on 12.04?
[06:31] <knightwise> yep
[06:31] <knightwise> not a problem i guess
[06:31] <knightwise> but make sure you have an oem code handy
[06:31] <knightwise> i'm not sure if its legal .. but it does work
[06:33] <rjs1064> it doesn't want to work though, gets to the bit where you tell it where the iso is and stalls
[06:34] <knightwise> during the initial configuration of the vm or during the first bootup
[06:34] <knightwise> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-new-virtual-machine-in-virtualbox.html
[06:34] <knightwise> manual is a little older but should still work
[06:35] <rjs1064> during first boot
[06:36] <knightwise> did you check that you had enabled a cd rom in the vm ?
[06:41] <rjs1064> 64 bit maybe the problem, will goo back to google, thanks for your help.
[06:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:14] <knightwise>  hey MooDoo :)
[07:27] <diplo> Morning all
[07:28] <knightwise> hey diplo
[08:09] <bigcalm> Hello peeps :)
[08:14] <bigcalm> Mornint Matt. Feel you can survive anything now?
[08:19] <knightwise> hey guys
[08:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:43] <popey> yo
[08:44] <brobostigon> hey popey
[08:44] <popey> brobostigon: you should go and see HHGTTG, you would _love_ it
[08:44] <popey> its utterly awesome
[08:45] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :)
[08:45] <brobostigon> popey: i can imagine, yes, i would love to. how much is it?
[08:45] <popey> it was 25 quid a ticket
[08:45] <popey> dunno if its the same at every venue
[08:45] <brobostigon> popey: thats pretty good, i could afford that. :)
[08:45] <popey> http://www.hitchhikerslive.com/tour-dates.html  1st July
[08:45] <bigcalm> Things are more expensive down sauf
[08:45] <popey> oxford isnt far from you is it?>
[08:46] <brobostigon> popey: about an hours drive, or 20mins on the train.
[08:46] <bigcalm> Ha! Just missed the Birmingham one
[08:46] <popey> I can not recommend it highly enough for a true hhgttg fan, plenty to love
[08:47] <brobostigon> :)
[08:47] <brobostigon> i will try.
[08:48] <AlanBell> it was great :)
[08:48] <brobostigon> :)
[09:09] <diplo> I'd like to see that, but not very close for me
[09:19] <diplo> oimon: How did you get on with logstash yesterday ?
[09:20] <diplo> Just resumed my laptop and the page was their :)
[10:04] <shauno> dealextreme sell pirate hats now?  best news I've had all morning!
[10:05] <matti> LOL
[10:25] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:26] <dogmatic69> o/
[10:31] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: morning dude
[10:33] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD
[10:34] <czajkowski> davmor2: herro
[10:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's you?
[10:36] <czajkowski> yara not bad
[10:39] <meet> how do i change the indicator applets in ubuntu 12.04??
[10:40] <davmor2> meet: how do you mean change them
[10:42] <meet> like i am using gnome and want to remove the universal access indicator which came back after upgrading to 12.04 from 11.10
[10:46] <davmor2> meet: you can install dconf-editor and remove it that way if that helps, at least I think you can there are others that might be able to help you more though
[10:56]  * bigcalm curls up in a corner and wishes the day would hurry up and end
[10:57] <meet> how to remove previously added bluetooth devices from the bluetooth menu?
[10:57] <oimon> diplo: it just worked on my ubunt box, but needed some coazing on centos
[10:58] <oimon> its gonna be useful once i've configured the logs a bit more cleanly. i currently have lots of very verbose messages
[10:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: :( here have a PROD to make you feel better
[10:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: most helpful
[10:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: any time
[10:59] <oimon> could do with a prod
[10:59]  * oimon is thinking about life (and jobs)
[10:59]  * bigcalm dislikes having to jump for some clients. But sadly such clients pay us a lot of money for doing nothing except jump when they say so
[11:00] <oimon> what would it take to shift you from a job you are reasonably happy in (in the present), but a little uncertain of the future (1+ years)
[11:00] <oimon> if another job was offered to you by another comapny
[11:01] <davmor2> oimon: simply ask that question
[11:01] <oimon> i'm asking myself
[11:02] <davmor2> oimon: that's my point if it is a question that is worrying you ask it at an interview :)  If the prospects are favourable then you a more likely to see yourself moving to it
[11:08] <czajkowski> bigcalm: at the same time, the job your in lets you work from home, now many small companies do, so it's a trade off, plus a tthe end of the day, the client is paying so they are entiled tbh
[11:18] <knightwise> Gah
[11:18] <knightwise> idiots
[11:18] <knightwise> Firm that we hired to to some penetration testing on an externel server host we use ..
[11:19] <knightwise> just called up said host with the question " could we run some scripts on your infrastructure to do a penetration test"
[11:19] <knightwise> *facepalm*
[11:20] <czajkowski> whoo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1008702
[11:23] <czajkowski> if folks could me too that
[11:23] <czajkowski> it'd be good
[11:23] <czajkowski> :)
[11:24] <bigcalm> I should use U1 some day
[11:24] <czajkowski> <3 U1
[11:24] <czajkowski> would in fact be lost without it
[11:24] <czajkowski> so handy taking pics and whoooosh uploaded to U1
[11:25] <bigcalm> Happens with most sharing providers now
[11:25] <popey> bigcalm: nope
[11:25] <popey> with U1 they come down to your desktop
[11:25] <popey> dropbox have _just_ added this feature
[11:25]  * bigcalm shrugs :)
[11:25] <BigRedS> I still want a way to have 'scp to server' in my 'share' menu for a picture
[11:26] <SuperMatt> I'm still waiting for google drive
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: you don't need it with U1
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: that's live.. just go to drive.google.com
[11:26] <popey> czajkowski: whats the name of the launchpad project which does the backend for unity-scopes-video-remote ?
[11:26] <BigRedS> I'm not about to try to bend U1 into working on my server
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: or "-for-linux"?
[11:26] <SuperMatt> for linux ;)
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: no you right-click a file and then "share"
[11:26] <czajkowski> popey: no idea
[11:26] <BigRedS> last time I checked they specifically didn't want you running it on Debian anyway
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it'll get  an ugly ubuntuone.com URL
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: and other people can then download it
[11:26] <popey> bah
[11:27] <bigcalm> Anybody here use Air Display? And does the windows client work in wine?
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: you could put the ssh://host/path in your GTK/Nautilus bookmarks
[11:27] <bigcalm> My googling has not returned helpful results
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> and just drag it over
[11:27] <popey> BigRedS: "they"? "it"?
[11:27] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/1006003  would also be a nice one to get implemented
[11:28] <czajkowski> popey: https://launchpad.net/unity-lens-videos/remote-videos-scope
[11:29] <popey> no, the backend, not that
[11:29] <BigRedS> popey: on the U1 site, aages ago I tried to find a Debian installer and came across words to the effect of "here's what you need for Ubuntu and Windows, we'd rather you not use it elsewhere"
[11:29] <popey> the thing that runs on http://videosearch.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <popey> BigRedS: i have never seen that
[11:29] <BigRedS> I've not looked since - I have little need for that sort of service since I have scp/rsync everywhere and I already know how to use that :)
[11:30] <popey> BigRedS: and I don't believe that's the case, even if it may have been in the past
[11:30] <czajkowski> wgrant may know in lp if you ask him no idea didnt know that page existed
[11:30] <BigRedS> yeah, it's probably not the case any more, but it's still the first think I think of when someone mentions U1
[11:30] <popey> if you search in the video lens, it goes off to that website to get results
[11:30] <popey> http://videosearch.ubuntu.com/v0/search/
[11:30] <popey> see^^
[11:30] <popey> and AIUI that backend is in lp somewhere, but I dunno what it's called
[11:31] <czajkowski> lemmie go and see what the bright sparks know
[11:31] <BigRedS> and, besides, the only thing I want here is to scp a photo to a directory on my server - no need for any of the intelligence of U1 :)
[11:31] <popey> i asked in #ubunutuone
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Bookmark the path on your server (sshfs) and use that
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: sshfs-using-gvfs (ssh:// URLs)
[11:33] <popey> /61/61
[11:33] <popey> bah
[11:36] <popey> found it!
[11:36] <popey> https://launchpad.net/candiru
[11:36] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I meant on my phone
[11:37] <BigRedS> So I can take a photo and just copy it up to my stuff folder, rather than putting it on picasa and then guessing the URL
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: ah.. that's.. harder
[11:38] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> G+ fixes that for me though
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> Just share on G+ to people you want to share with.. done!
[11:38] <BigRedS> yeah, that's what I do now
[11:38] <BigRedS> but I'm getting more hippyish about my data being on my disks
[11:41] <daubers> BigRedS: Long hair + van still to come?
[11:41] <BigRedS> Long hair's here and I own a fifth of a transit
[11:41] <BigRedS> very communal :)
[11:41] <knightwise> i would love being able to use GooglePlus to auto post some articles of my blog towards
[11:42] <knightwise> everytime i write a new post : poof : post on googleplus
[11:42] <knightwise> the fact the thing has no API's is kinda crippling it for me right now
[12:00] <dwatkins> knightwise: does this not do what you need? https://developers.google.com/+/api/
[12:14] <AlanBell> dwatkins: all read only
[12:51] <dwatkins> AlanBell: ah boo
[13:23] <SuperMatt> hey guys, anyone know what package contains the xsessions file for kde?
[13:24] <SuperMatt> I've installed kubuntu-desktop, but it's not there (I am using quantal btw)
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: apt-file search?
[13:29] <SuperMatt> weird, got it now
[13:30] <SuperMatt> just reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[14:25] <feisar> hi, what's the name of the script that secures a mysql install?
[14:26] <feisar> I've used it but can't remember what it was called - it's installed by default
[14:51] <SuperMatt> following the slashdot article about "why not use kde" I'm now using kde. It has a lot of nice touches, but I just can't get it to look nice and uniform
[14:56] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: you'll spend ages getting it to look right, then next time you log in it will have forgotten ~60% of the changes you made
[14:56] <BigRedS> feisar: secures in what sense?
[14:56] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: sounds about right
[14:57] <BigRedS> it defaults to being inaccessible from the network
[14:57] <SuperMatt> It does look quite good some of the time, but when you load firefox it just doesn't fit in so it feels really wrong
[14:58]  * bigcalm quaffs a decent amount of coffee from his oggcamp10 mug
[14:58] <bigcalm> It's the mug that most people go for, right?
[14:58] <feisar> BigRedS: I got it thanks - 'mysql_secure_installation'
[15:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] It's raining Raspberry Pi - http://philbull.livejournal.com/60541.html
[15:06] <feisar> SuperMatt: I started with KDE and loved it used it from 3.somthing all the way up to 4.2(or 3) and I gave up (sadly) not enough consistency. It can look amazing but it takes loads of customisation and then the next thing you install misses icons or looks wrong etc. Unity's not perfect but it seems to bug me less
[15:06] <BigRedS> feisar: ooh, what does it do?
[15:07] <feisar> there you go
[15:07] <feisar> http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/mysql_secure_installation/
[15:08] <feisar> just a couple of, simple, but really important steps
[15:11] <BigRedS> ohh
[17:55] <zleap> hello
[17:56] <zleap> clear
[17:56] <zleap> cls
[17:58] <dwatkins> cls: no such file or directory
[17:59] <zleap> THANKS
[17:59] <zleap> i meant /clear
[17:59] <zleap> typo
[18:03] <zleap> hi
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: alias cls="echo No."
[18:08] <dwatkins> nice MartijnVdS
[18:08] <zleap> lol
[18:09] <zleap> that was my error typing cls
[18:22] <jacobw> evenage
[18:22] <zleap> HI
[18:23] <zleap> \me is is waiting for football to start
[18:23]  * zleap is is waiting for football to start
[18:29]  * bigcalm starting the weekend with a Belgian beer and more work
[18:29] <bigcalm> What could go wrong?
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: World could end
[18:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: you got that quote wrong again didn't you,  It's not all play and no work makes jack drunk
[18:32] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: best drink more then
[18:33]  * bigcalm writes in his journal
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> journalling file system
[18:35] <ali1234> "Uncertain of his sister’s faith a boy enters LIMBO"
[18:35] <ali1234> "faith"
[18:35] <ali1234> wat
[18:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: I just thought if you hiccup as much as you do without beer how much more do you hiccup with beer
[18:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: how much do I hicup at the LUG meetings?
[18:36] <bigcalm> It's down to food and talking
[18:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: but beer is food right?
[18:38] <bigcalm> Hehe
[18:40] <Azelphur> Does anyone have any recommendations on a easy to use open source / free commerce system?
[18:40] <ali1234> bitcoin
[18:40] <ali1234> lol
[18:40] <bigcalm> Azelphur: easy in what way?
[18:40] <Azelphur> I know a few, just wondering if anyone has any specific recommendations of stuff that is particularly nice and simple
[18:40] <Azelphur> bigcalm: easy in that someone with very little experience could set up and use it
[18:41] <bigcalm> To dev with or just use?
[18:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: bitcoin is a currency not an ecommerce system :p
[18:41] <Azelphur> bigcalm: just use
[18:41] <bigcalm> Magento might work
[18:41] <Azelphur> yea I saw a few forum posts saying it's quite nice
[18:43] <Azelphur> seems like magento charges for the good features though which is not too good
[18:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: no he just has control over metal how's he gonna help with ecommerce ;)
[18:43] <Azelphur> apparently things like caching and gift cards are off the tables unless you pay $15k/year
[18:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: en not ne
[18:44] <bigcalm> Azelphur: even if you host it yourself?
[18:45] <Azelphur> bigcalm: yea
[18:45] <bigcalm> Ah well
[18:45] <bigcalm> Azelphur: write your own ;)
[18:45] <Azelphur> haha
[18:45] <Azelphur> an existing solution is better, as I say I know a few was just after specific recommendations / things people have been successful with :)
[18:46] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open_source_eCommerce_software lists some choices, if you havn't already seen it
[18:46] <bigcalm> I've dev'd for a Magento project. Not used one myself though
[18:46] <dwatkins> s/if/in case/
[18:47] <Azelphur> dwatkins: ty, doesn't really offer a comparison but has a few options
[18:47] <BigRedS> Several of our customers run magento
[18:48] <BigRedS> they're the ones with the highest-specced machines...
[18:48] <mgdm> I've not used magento, but i"ve heard some stories
[18:49] <lazarus_>  any ideas how to change the grub resoltion and plymouth also to a resolution of 1842x1026
[18:49] <BigRedS> It seems to be very good and do everything you might want and be customisable and all that, but require a shedload of resources in the process
[18:49] <BigRedS> From speaking to these customers, they've tried lighter-weight ones, and feel it's worth paying extra to run magento
[18:50] <AlanBell> Azelphur: VirtueMart or Zencart might work
[18:51] <Azelphur> AlanBell: Zencart has been on my short list :)
[18:51] <AlanBell> oscommerce is another, not really looked at that myself
[18:51] <Azelphur> yea I was basically thinking osCommerce or Zencart
[18:55] <mgdm> I've heard bad things from people who have had to write code to fit inside osCommerce
[18:55] <mgdm> again. not done it myself
[18:55] <dwatkins> lazarus_: there's a text file you can edit with settings like that
[18:55] <mgdm> <-- not done much ecommerce
[18:56] <dwatkins> set gfxmode=640x480
[18:57] <dwatkins> That might be it, lazarus_, in the grub.cfg - bear in mind that when you run grub-install, I think it might overwrite that from /etc/default/grub or somewhere else. Should be some relevant documentation online for whichever version you're using.
[19:02] <bigcalm> My father is a member of a club. They want to have a centralised membership database that can be accessed and edited by various committee members at various levels. Would vtiger suit this, or be over kill? Or would something else be better suited?
[19:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: I was expecting the My father is to end Darth Vader :D
[19:06] <AlanBell> bigcalm: want to try a vtiger?
[19:06] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I've been drinking beer, but sure :)
[19:09] <bigcalm> !info vtiger
[19:09] <bigcalm> Boo
[19:12] <davmor2> AlanBell, bigcalm: oh virtual tiger, is that like Virtual Fighter but with tigers, or is it the tiger equivalent of a tamgotchi :D
[19:12]  * bigcalm downloads and throws it into a vhost
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:14] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: what you saying yes too
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:17] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: You're just a yes bot aren't you?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> indeed
[19:17] <dwatkins> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/12187931.jpg
[19:18] <davmor2> Yay I broke the yes bot :D
[19:18] <dwatkins> yes
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Noooo
[19:19] <davmor2> We are the yes bots, resistance is futile
[19:19] <davmor2> You will be Yes'd
[19:19]  * dwatkins nods sagely
[19:24] <bigcalm> Din dins!
[19:24] <bigcalm> Toodles peeps
[19:24] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I will set one up in a bit
[19:25] <bigcalm> AlanBell: just installed it locally. Thanks though :)
[19:31] <daubers> `o/
[19:31]  * daubers unpacks more boxes
[19:32] <jacobw> how's it going daubers?
[19:33] <jacobw> davmor2: VF4 was the best fighter ever
[19:34] <davmor2> jacobw: No VF Tiger is obviously a fantastic game you just ask AlanBell :)
[19:44] <dwatkins> Can the launcher be moved to anywhere other than the left hand side of the screen in Unity?
[19:44] <ali1234> no
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: not even in Arabic/Hebrew mode?
[19:44] <ali1234> no
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> not even by editing the source?
[19:44] <dwatkins> ok, I'll use Cairo instead, ta
[19:45]  * dwatkins notes there's an unofficial plugin
[19:45] <ali1234> someone made a patch to allow moving it but canonical ignored it for several months and it went nowhere
[19:45] <mgdm> dwatkins: does Cairo mean something other than cairographics.org?
[19:45] <daubers> jacobw: Nearly done!
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: cairo dock
[19:45] <dwatkins> mgdm: cairo-dock
[19:45] <mgdm> ah
[19:45] <daubers> mgdm: City in Egypt?
[19:45] <mgdm> that's not even mildly confusing
[19:45] <ali1234> it now hasn't been updated for 6 months so using it would mean using a buggy old unity
[19:45] <mgdm> daubers: :D
[19:45] <ali1234> even more buggy than the latest version that is
[19:46] <dwatkins> ali1234: yeah, I suspected there might be version issues, I'd rather not use a plugin that's out of sync
[19:46] <ali1234> sad that the canonical supporters constantly harp on about "send a patch! contribute!" and then totally ignore all contributions that do anything that isn't part of the plan
[19:47] <dwatkins> ali1234: yes, I was thinking along those lines, or the fact that so many things on Ubuntu are wonderfully configurable, aside from this relatively fundamental part of the GUI
[19:48] <ali1234> plenty of ubuntu is configurable, except for all the parts written by canonical
[19:49] <ali1234> configuration isn't everything, just look at KDE
[19:49] <dwatkins> yeah, it can be taken too far
[19:49] <ali1234> i'd rather have something that worked by default, than something configurable
[19:49] <ali1234> unfortunately unity is neither
[19:50] <dwatkins> oh, I didn't realise it actually failed to work
[19:50] <ali1234> yes, quite often in fact
[19:50] <ali1234> see the multiple bugs with blank windows
[19:52] <dwatkins> docky seems to work fine for my needs
[19:52] <ali1234> sure
[19:55] <jacobw> blank windows :(
[19:58] <AlanBell> bigcalm: cool, shout if you have questions
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> \o/ "timeout" command
[21:17] <kane1309> hello who can help me ?
[21:17] <AlanBell> depends on the question kane1309
[21:17] <kane1309> can i pm you ?
[21:17] <Azelphur> ?private | kane1309
[21:17] <Azelphur> gah, different triggers xD
[21:17] <Azelphur> !private | kane1309
[21:17] <Azelphur> !ask | kane1309
[21:18] <AlanBell> no, I don't know what the question is, and if you just ask me that won't help
[21:19] <kane1309> ok i have windows 7 home premium 64 bit and 2 hard drives on my pc i want one hard drive to have windows 7 witch is already installed and the other one hae ubuntu but i dont no how to duel boot them
[21:19] <AlanBell> !dualboot
[21:21] <kane1309> i read the windows before ubuntu and it diddent make no sense :s
[21:22] <AlanBell> I am not going to be masses of help here, I haven't set up dual boot for several years
[21:22] <AlanBell> !grub2
[21:22] <Azelphur> kane1309: it's really really easy
[21:23] <Azelphur> kane1309: just run the ubuntu installer, it's obvious
[21:23] <Azelphur> boot from CD as you would usually, select the drive you wish to install to from the dropbown box, click install
[21:23] <Azelphur> it'll set up grub and everything for you
[21:23] <Azelphur> kane1309: just be sure to take a backup of your important data on windows in case something goes wrong :)
[21:23] <kane1309> when i do the setup when it comes up with
[21:23] <AlanBell> yeah, the installer normally sorts it all out, but if you have both already installed you would need to fix grub (or ask it to re-detect the operating systems)
[21:24] <kane1309> erase windows or something else duel boot dosent come up
[21:24] <AlanBell> don't you have an option to install Ubuntu alongside windows?
[21:24] <Azelphur> kane1309: are you sure you have two physical hard drives and not two partitions
[21:25] <kane1309> i have a c drive and d drive
[21:25] <diddledan> >.<
[21:25] <Azelphur> that doesn't mean you have two physical drives.
[21:25] <kane1309> whats the difference between physical and partitions
[21:25] <Azelphur> one is a partition, one is physical
[21:25] <Azelphur> lol
[21:25] <AlanBell> is it a laptop or a desktop?
[21:25] <kane1309> laptop
[21:25] <AlanBell> it will be one drive then
[21:25] <Azelphur> probably partitioned then - you most likely don't have two hard drives
[21:26] <Azelphur> unless you have a super high end laptop (alienware dell xps etc)
[21:26] <kane1309> how would i check
[21:26] <AlanBell> what laptop is it?
[21:26] <kane1309> msi cr630
[21:26] <AlanBell> most don't have a second hard drive bay, and you would know about it if you ordered it specially with two
[21:26] <kane1309> its a alright laptop
[21:26] <AlanBell> one drive :)
[21:27] <kane1309> is there a way to check
[21:27] <Azelphur> yea, one drive :)
[21:27] <Azelphur> kane1309: yea, it's called "that laptop only has space for one drive"
[21:27] <Azelphur> therefor, you only have one drive
[21:27] <Azelphur> xD
[21:27] <kane1309> then how would i install it on one drive because i tryed that to
[21:27] <Azelphur> it's weird that the install alongside option doesn't show up - it should do
[21:28] <kane1309> i tryied it about 5 times and it hasent came up
[21:28] <AlanBell> Azelphur: maybe all the partitions are full
[21:28] <Azelphur> AlanBell: maybe :)
[21:28] <popey> evening all
[21:28] <AlanBell> kane1309: so the current status is it has windows on it with a c and d drive, and no Ubuntu yet?
[21:28] <Azelphur> kane1309: how much free drive space do you have?
[21:28] <kane1309> i just rebooted it to factory settings
[21:29] <AlanBell> ok, so it has a factory recovery partition too
[21:29] <Azelphur> evening popey, I'm doing science https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/June/IMG_20120615_221552.jpg
[21:29] <kane1309> so theres nothing on it
[21:29] <kane1309> yes
[21:29] <kane1309> it dosent have cd
[21:29] <AlanBell> Azelphur: nutter!
[21:30] <diddledan> raid?
[21:30] <kane1309> so why dosent it work  then ?
[21:30] <popey> haha
[21:30] <popey> what the hell are you up to?
[21:30] <Azelphur> the bitcoin mining rigs need a new operating system
[21:30] <Azelphur> :P
[21:30] <AlanBell> kane1309: so when you put in the Ubuntu CD you can select "other" in the installation options, that should let you have a look at the partitions that are on the disk
[21:31] <AlanBell> I suspect all 4 primary partitions are being used for things, which sucks a bit as it means extended partitions can't be created
[21:31] <diddledan> is it bad that my workstation is messier?
[21:31] <kane1309> what do u mean ? , im not very good
[21:32] <popey> Azelphur: thats 8 USB sticks sharing one USB host?
[21:32] <Azelphur> popey: yea, just flashing the new OS onto them
[21:33] <AlanBell> kane1309: you're fine :) I am just looking for a good guide
[21:33] <AlanBell> I did write one once
[21:33] <kane1309> ok
[21:34] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/07102010/Partitioning%20101 is a class I did ages ago about partitions in general. Might be interesting, but not all that helpful.
[21:34] <Azelphur> lmao, I have a /dev/sdn xD
[21:35] <kane1309> ok thanks could u help me with the other thing to ?
[21:36] <AlanBell> kane1309: are you using the laptop at the moment?
[21:36] <kane1309> yes
[21:36] <AlanBell> on windows?
[21:36] <kane1309> i can go on another pc
[21:36] <kane1309> yes
[21:36] <kane1309> i hae windows 7
[21:36] <kane1309> have
[21:36] <AlanBell> anyone know how to do the equivalent to sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda on windows?
[21:37] <kane1309> what ?
[21:38] <AlanBell> kane1309: I want to see how exactly your disk is partitioned, but I don't know how to do that on Windows
[21:38] <AlanBell> oh I think there is a thing called disk administrator that might be in the accessories menu
[21:38] <kane1309> ohh
[21:39] <dwatkins> yeah, 'disk management' will show the devices and partitions
[21:40] <kane1309> disk clean or disk defragmentor
[21:40] <AlanBell> not that
[21:40] <kane1309> thats the only stuff with disk ill type it in search bar
[21:40] <diddledan> the gui-way is to right-click on "my computer" and choose "manage"
[21:41] <AlanBell> it looks like this -> http://cdn.blogsdna.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/windows-7-disk-manager.jpg
[21:41] <kane1309> yh i can get that by doing what diddledan said
[21:41] <kane1309> now what?
[21:42] <AlanBell> what are the partitions you have in disk 0
[21:42] <kane1309> 2
[21:42] <Azelphur> how do I run a process in screen and not have the screen exit as soon as the process finishes?
[21:43] <Azelphur> like screen echo hi, only without the exiting :P
[21:43] <popey> screen
[21:43] <popey> then echo hi
[21:43] <AlanBell> kane1309: are they named? one might be "Windows 7" or something and one might be "recovery" or similar
[21:43] <Azelphur> *shrug* long way
[21:43] <popey> or dont use screen
[21:43] <popey> why dont you want screen to exit?
[21:43] <Azelphur> want to see the results of the dd
[21:43] <Azelphur> haha
[21:44] <popey> use nohup
[21:44] <Azelphur> nohup?
[21:44] <popey> yes, nohup
[21:44] <kane1309> no there are os_install c where windows 7 is on and
[21:44] <popey> instead of screen
[21:44] <kane1309> disk d
[21:44]  * Azelphur shrugs
[21:44] <diddledan> Azelphur, nohup prevents the program from receiving any HUP signal (hangup)
[21:45] <Azelphur> I see
[21:45] <kane1309> alan if u want if u have skype ill show u my screen
[21:45] <popey> man nohup
[21:45] <AlanBell> !imagebin
[21:45] <AlanBell> if you can put a screenshot on imagebin that would be ideal
[21:46] <kane1309> ok
[21:47] <Azelphur> http://ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur it's like a little christmas tree :D
[21:48] <kane1309> alan
[21:48] <dwatkins> merry festivities, Azelphur
[21:48] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:48] <dwatkins> What are the lights?
[21:48]  * dwatkins assumes multiple hard disks
[21:48] <kane1309> alanbell
[21:49] <Azelphur> dwatkins: yea, 8 USB sticks
[21:49] <Azelphur> upgrading the bitcoin miners lol
[21:49]  * dwatkins imagines little dwarves inside an ATX case working away with their pickaxes
[21:50] <kane1309> u there ?
[21:50] <AlanBell> yup
[21:50] <kane1309> heres the link to picture
[21:50] <kane1309> http://imagebin.org/216560
[21:50] <AlanBell> ok, 4 primary partitions used :(
[21:51] <AlanBell> the 4 blocks at the bottom with blue tops
[21:51] <kane1309> oh is that bad ?
[21:51] <AlanBell> um, what is going on with D: I wonder
[21:52] <AlanBell> so the D drive is where you want to put Ubuntu right?
[21:52] <popey> install thats been wiped
[21:52] <kane1309> yes
[21:52] <AlanBell> ok, that needs to not be an ntfs partition
[21:52] <popey> needs to not be a partition
[21:52] <popey> but empty space
[21:52] <kane1309> how do i change it
[21:52] <kane1309> can i change it
[21:52] <AlanBell> if you can right click the D partition and remove it that would be great
[21:52] <popey> right click, delete it
[21:53] <AlanBell> then it will be free space, then the installer will know where to go
[21:53] <kane1309> will it break my laptop
[21:53] <AlanBell> no
[21:53] <AlanBell> presume there is nothing on d:
[21:53] <kane1309> what click delete volume
[21:53] <diddledan> only touch the d: volume tho
[21:53] <diddledan> don't mess with the others
[21:53] <kane1309> ok
[21:54] <diddledan> the first three are needed for windows and the recovery system
[21:54] <kane1309> ok i just deleteed it
[21:54] <kane1309> no it says allocated memory
[21:54] <AlanBell> you might have to apply the changes or something
[21:55] <diddledan> I don't believe you need to - it should be atomic
[21:55] <AlanBell> ok
[21:55] <kane1309> should i do another pic ?
[21:55] <AlanBell> yeah, that would be great
[21:55] <AlanBell> just so we can check it is free space
[21:56] <kane1309> http://imagebin.org/216565
[21:56] <kane1309> there :)
[21:56] <AlanBell> perfect
[21:57] <diddledan> yup, that should be "good-to-go" now
[21:57] <kane1309> how should i do it
[21:57] <AlanBell> ok, give the installer another go, it should let you install Ubuntu in the free space alongside windows and should set up dual boot automatically
[21:57] <kane1309> by cd usb or of desk top
[21:57] <AlanBell> CD or USB is fine
[21:58] <kane1309> when i go by cd it dosent come up with select drive
[21:58] <AlanBell> I think it might do now
[21:59] <kane1309> ok u guys have been so much help if it works ill come back and say thanks :)
[21:59] <AlanBell> great, hope it works!
[21:59] <diddledan> have fun ;-)
[21:59] <kane1309> thanks
[22:26] <kane1309> alanbell u are awesome
[22:26] <AlanBell> did it work :)
[22:27] <kane1309> yep put disk in came up right away and installed straight on d drive
[22:27] <kane1309> u have helped me so much
[22:28] <kane1309> could u help me one more time please
[22:30] <AlanBell> depends on the question :)
[22:30] <kane1309> i take it you run ubuntu
[22:31] <kane1309> ?
[22:31] <AlanBell> sure
[22:31] <kane1309> no u got the bar on the left of the screen for apps and stuff
[22:31] <AlanBell> that would be the launcher
[22:32] <kane1309> how do you move it to the bottom
[22:32] <AlanBell> you can't easily do that, it is on the left because screens are widescreens these days so horizontal space is less important than vertical space
[22:33] <AlanBell> there is a not-reccommended hack that puts it on the bottom
[22:33] <kane1309> fair enough
[22:33] <AlanBell> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/how-to-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom-of.html it won't work well
[22:33] <kane1309> is there a way to make the sensativity more different ?
[22:34] <AlanBell> mouse sensitivity?
[22:34] <AlanBell> hit the windows key and type "mouse" that will find the mouse settings in the dash
[22:34] <AlanBell> there are speed and accelleration sliders in that
[22:35] <kane1309> thanks
[22:38] <kane1309> how do you make a application i forgot ?
[22:39] <AlanBell> not sure I understand the question
[22:39] <kane1309> ubuntu is way better than windows
[22:46] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/unity-window-quicklists-switch-between.html
[22:46] <AlanBell> gosh
[22:46] <AlanBell> I should fix that package a bit shouldn't I
[22:49]  * AlanBell adds his own PPA to his laptop
[22:49] <Laney> I like how they advertise hacks instead of getting you to fix the bug
[22:50] <AlanBell> yeah, wouldn't have hurt to poke me about it pre-publication
[22:50] <AlanBell> I should have fixed it months ago really, but I don't actually use it
[22:50] <AlanBell> since alt-tab was unbroken I don't need it
[22:52] <ali1234> yeah it's a pity you can't report bugs on PPAs
[22:54] <mattt> what's the bug ?
[22:54] <AlanBell> s/UNITY/Unity/ in the .desktop file
[22:55]  * AlanBell is entering a maze of twisty packaging passages
[22:58] <AlanBell> I have no clue how to update my package
[22:58] <ali1234> you could try to maintain it through quickly
[22:58] <ali1234> it's python right?
[22:58] <AlanBell> it is one python file
[22:59] <ali1234> yeah you will have to jump through some hoops
[22:59] <AlanBell> well two if you count the .desktop
[22:59] <ali1234> like deleting half of the project that quickly makes for you
[22:59] <Laney> edit the file
[22:59] <AlanBell> Laney: yeah, done that, not sure how to repack it
[22:59] <mattt> there needs to be a packaging as a service service
[22:59] <mattt> packaging is hard
[22:59] <ali1234> mattt: there is
[23:00] <Laney> make a new tarball release
[23:00] <AlanBell> I did apt-get source unity-window-quicklists then edited the .desktop file
[23:00] <mattt> ali1234: dammit
[23:00] <Laney> yourprojectname_1.0.1.orig.tar.gz
[23:00] <ali1234> all you have to do is put up a commercial app (minimum price $2.99) and give canonical 20%
[23:00] <Laney> uupdate ../yourprojectname_1.0.1.orig.tar.gz
[23:01] <Laney> check debian/changelog
[23:01] <Laney> debuild -S, dput
[23:02] <mattt> ali1234: 20% of every sale?
[23:02] <ali1234> yes
[23:02] <mattt> friggen heck :)
[23:02] <ali1234> which is still better than any other app store
[23:02] <ali1234> everyone else charges 30%
[23:03] <Laney> non-facetiously, there is a packaging service called 'pkgme'
[23:03] <Laney> not sure how well it works though
[23:03] <AlanBell> yeah, I was wondering if pkgme was the way forward
[23:03] <AlanBell> so I update the debian changelog before making the tarball and rename the directory it is in with a new version number
[23:03] <Laney> in this case you might consider making a 'native package' in which there is no distinction between the upstream code and packaging info
[23:04] <Laney> so you avoid having to mess around with orig tarballs
[23:05] <mattt> Laney: are you a packager?
[23:05] <Laney> sure am
[23:06] <mattt> what do you package ?
[23:06] <hamitron> "something impressive"
[23:07] <mattt> xorg
[23:07] <Laney> a few things
[23:07] <Laney> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=laney&comaint=yes
[23:07] <mattt> quite a lot :)
[23:12] <Laney> keeps me out of trouble
[23:16] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/unity-window-quicklists code is now in bzr and in a project
[23:17] <AlanBell> I really don't get the relationship between bzr and packages
[23:19] <AlanBell> should I check the debian directory into bzr?
[23:24] <Laney>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1043179/
[23:25] <AlanBell> cool, what is that?
[23:25] <Laney> I think native would make it easier for you to manage, and I also specified the dependencies that you need
[23:25] <Laney> since if they are not installed the script will just crash
[23:25] <AlanBell> yeah, do I use patch with that or something?
[23:26]  * AlanBell has never used patch
[23:26] <Laney> you can do
[23:26] <ali1234> bzr apply?
[23:26] <Laney> patch -p1 < blah.diff
[23:26] <Laney> dunno what bzr apply does
[23:26] <ali1234> nothing, it doesn't exist
[23:27] <ali1234> git apply applies patches generated with git format-patch
[23:27] <ali1234> which saves a lot of trouble trying to figure out what -p level to apply to the patch and etc
[23:28] <ali1234> i guess if you want to do it the easy way with bzr you just need to make all your developers sign up for launchpad :(
[23:30] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1043184/
[23:30] <AlanBell> I am in the directory that I did apt-get source in
[23:32] <ali1234> look at the patch
[23:32] <ali1234> diff -Nru unity-window-quicklists-1.0/debian/changelog unity-window-quicklists-1.0.1/debian/changelog
[23:33] <ali1234> if you do -p1 it cuts of the first item in the path, leaving debian/changelog
[23:33] <AlanBell> oh
[23:33] <AlanBell> so I need to cd into the directory and run it
[23:33] <ali1234> with p1 yes
[23:34] <AlanBell> ok, that worked
[23:38] <AlanBell> gpg: skipped "Iain Lane <iain@orangesquash.org.uk>": secret key not available
[23:38] <AlanBell> when running debuild -S
[23:39] <Laney> either change it to your name or supply -k0xYOURKEYID or put DEBSIGN_KEYID=yourkeyid in ~/.devscripts
[23:40] <AlanBell> bother, I don't think I have that whole GPG thing set up on this laptop at all
[23:40] <Laney> the source package needs to be signed before you can upload it :(
[23:40] <AlanBell> ok, I will set that up tomorrow, I expect the GPG key stuff is on my old hard drive
[23:41] <AlanBell> wish GPG keys and SSH keys were the same thing
[23:41] <AlanBell> night all, and thanks for the help Laney