[00:00] <grantbow> fire at West Oakland BART at 2AM this morning shut down BART service across the bay for about 12 hours but trains are running again now.
[00:01] <scientes> damn
[00:01] <scientes> do they know what caused the fire?
[00:04] <grantbow> https://twitter.com/#!/sfbart had this link with details and a picture: http://1.usa.gov/M0tQxG
[00:26] <scientes> A hacker group using ISO-8859-1, wtf is this http://www.2600.com/news/view/article/12237
[00:58] <scientes> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/12/google-searchengines
[02:37] <philipballew> bkerensa, I gave up on it, I have instructions for 3months though
[02:46] <iheartubuntu> Pasadena Ubuntu Hour a success with 9 people this time around! wooohooo. Now at the local LUG to learn about Ruby
[02:49] <akk> yay
[02:53] <iheartubuntu> how are you akk
[02:53] <iheartubuntu> did the venus event happen already?
[02:53] <akk> yep! it was last week, and it was really fun.
[02:54] <iheartubuntu> better than the lunar one?
[02:54] <iheartubuntu> i loved the shadow photos all on the net
[02:54] <akk> Good question. I liked both of them
[02:54] <akk> and having both of them so close together, and both close to be geographically, was just too excellent. :)
[02:55] <akk> Venus was maybe more exciting because it's such a rare event -- but OTOH I'd gone my whole life so far without seeing an annular eclipse either.
[02:58] <iheartubuntu> i remember in the 80s my brother drove his friends and i down baja to cabo for some event. lunar or solar. i dont remember but it was a big event
[19:55] <MarkDude> bkerensa, future advice- dont attack Nixie for her choice of clothes- it makes you look really bad, and rather un-enlightened
[19:56] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Like I told you I am done discussing this matter with you. You got across the point that you think sexual objectification of women is ok and I strongly disagree.
[19:56] <MarkDude> You are the person commenting on Nixies looks
[19:57] <MarkDude> its not fair that it would be ok if she were ugly
[19:57] <MarkDude> now go read up on 101
[19:57] <MarkDude> She made a CLI video
[19:57] <MarkDude> far more technical than many have done
[19:57] <MarkDude> You started a debate- then left
[19:58] <MarkDude> in a not favorable manner
[19:58] <bkerensa> I am not favorable of sexual objectification of women. You got that part right.
[20:01] <scientes> wheres the video?
[20:03]  * MarkDude can share log later
[21:11]  * MarkDude will PM log if anyone wants- it pertains to California folks 
[21:12] <MarkDude> will be in cali-ot
[21:14] <scientes> what a woman wears is her own business, and the business of other girls that talk behind their back ;)
[21:15] <scientes> *behind her back
 she doesnt exactly communicate with people
[21:21] <scientes> oh come on
[21:22] <bkerensa> she doesnt?
[21:22] <scientes> thats just something that rude to say
[21:23] <scientes> I don't know the people, so I am going to shut up on this
[21:26] <MarkDude> scientes, you can meet her on the 23rd in Walnut Creek and decide for yourslef
[21:26] <MarkDude> She is rather bright
[21:26] <scientes> link?
[21:26] <scientes> about event
[21:27] <scientes> MarkDude, and I don't like how bkerensa is judging her behind her back
[21:27] <MarkDude> Ben means well
[21:28] <MarkDude> that has NEVER been in doubt on my part
[21:28] <MarkDude> He is a really cool great person
[21:28] <MarkDude> And a huge asset to both Ubuntu and Linux in general
[21:28] <MarkDude> The only reason I push it- is the same happened to me a while ago
[21:28] <MarkDude> I was making points about Go Daddy
[21:29] <MarkDude> and how much I dont like them
[21:29] <MarkDude> During which I made a comment about their attractive racecar driver
[21:29] <MarkDude> It was made very clear to me- her looks had no bearing on anything
[21:31] <scientes> well, their "attractive" racecar driver is almost so textbook its a hyperbole, IMHO at least
[21:31] <scientes> except that its not, and in that way it is certainly objectification
[21:32]  * MarkDude has decided this is an area I will let women comment on
[21:32] <MarkDude> Clothing is not equal for us
[21:32] <MarkDude> A man can own 3 suits his whole life and be fine
[21:33] <MarkDude> Women have other standards- they understand better and IMO  are more able to comment if they choose to
[21:33] <MarkDude> Example: when people attacked Sarah Palin about her outfits- I thought that was unfair- go after her policies
[21:34] <MarkDude> Being apolitical here- just that men talking about her clothes seemed not fair- to me
[21:34] <scientes> that sounds like a fair statement
[21:34] <scientes> in general talking behind peoples back is not productice nor nice
[21:37] <MarkDude> He would not do that tho
[21:37] <MarkDude> He is very fair
[21:37] <MarkDude> and would be willing to directly debate her
[21:37] <MarkDude> Ben is really fair
[21:37] <scientes> Wow, she taught me stuff i didn't know about find
[21:37] <MarkDude> I broguht her name up - he reacted
[21:38] <MarkDude> Anytime Ben has an issue- he is willing to be direct with that person
[21:38] <MarkDude> He is a very stand up person
[21:38]  * MarkDude cant say that enough
[21:38]  * MarkDude now knows how he was when he first started learning nuance as far as geek feminism
[21:39] <MarkDude> It lead to a process- and just a few years ago- I decided to identify myslef as a FEMINIST
[21:41] <scientes> WOAH
[21:42] <scientes> oh shes great, "what would you change if you had the source code to the world"
[21:42] <scientes> thats awesome
[21:45] <scientes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49yPxmB98hI&feature=relmfu
[21:45] <scientes> 1. GUI Option Available for All CLI Tasks
[21:45] <scientes> hahahahaa
[21:45] <scientes> come to the dark side of learning the power of CLI ahhahahahhahaha
[21:49] <MarkDude> She has been using all sorts of Distros for a while
[21:50] <MarkDude> Her favorite being Mint
[21:50] <MarkDude> She has taken people that were gamers - and got them interested in Linux
[21:50] <MarkDude> by definition she is a Linux advocate
[21:51] <MarkDude> One that has recruited more than most of us
[21:53] <scientes> I would like to see the ability to use IOMMU hardware to put windows in a virtual machine with NATIVE graphics be better advoted, and streamlined so a linux newbie could successfully set it up
[21:54] <scientes> like, take an existing computer that has intergrated AND dedicated graphics, and IOMMU hardware, install keeping windows, and boot linux, then assign the graphics card to windows, and boot
[21:54] <scientes> done
[21:54] <scientes> to do this smoothly some primary vga stuff from xen needs to be ported to kvm
[21:55] <scientes> and also way too many people are using sub-part virtualization platforms IMHO (virtualbox and vmware), instead of virt-manager+kvm which provides a better experiemence
[21:55] <scientes> virt-manager needs to be more prominent
[22:05] <MarkDude> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Bay_Area
[22:06] <MarkDude> The next geeknic will be Ubuntu Cali and BAMF togehter
[22:06]  * MarkDude was able to get funding for this party :)
[22:08] <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/events/300921919994599/
[22:09] <MarkDude> FB link if anyone wants to RSVP- otherwise- just let me know- so we can figure how much food to get
[22:23] <scientes> I jut added it to my calendar
[22:23] <scientes> now how am i suppose to get there via the bart?
[22:26] <MarkDude> Yep
[22:26] <MarkDude> Call me and we can get a ride the rest of the way
[22:27] <MarkDude> we have shuttles
[22:27]  * MarkDude PMs #
[22:27] <MarkDude> or you can type my mark terranova into google- my number is on the 1st site
[22:36] <jyo> Anyone here familiar with mutt, perchance?
[22:53] <scientes> jyo, i've used it, but not much
[22:53] <scientes> it uses tyokocabinet
[22:53] <scientes> *tkoyo
[22:53] <scientes> tokyo
[22:56] <jyo> When I try to sent mail, writing a copy to +.Sent (maildir) errs out with 'No such file or directory'.
[22:56] <scientes> well that is a error from libc, and it means, well, the directoriy doesn't exist
[22:56] <scientes> so create it
[22:57] <jyo> Yep, .Sent with cur new temp dirs
[22:58] <jyo> More specifically: /home/james/Maildir/.Sent/tmp/cur.1339801070.3353_2.domainname:2,S: No such file or directory (errno = 2)
[22:59] <jyo> of course, domainname is not actually domainname.
[23:00] <scientes> hmm i have no ide