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HawkiesZA	Mornin ya'll	06:27
superfly	o/	06:49
Squirm[A]	hello	07:05
Kilos	morning superfly and all others	07:07
sflr	morning all	07:07
Kilos	yo sflr	07:08
Kilos	beet you	07:08
Kilos	beat as well	07:08
superfly	hi Kilos, sflr	07:08
Kilos	aw SmilyBorg really sucks outa power hey?	07:09
sflr	who did you beat Kilos?	07:09
sflr	morning superfly	07:09
Kilos	came on less than 1 min before you sflr	07:09
SmilyBorg	Kilos: yup. Woke up to the sound of my UPS at 2am. surviving on Red bull now	07:09
Kilos	eish	07:09
sflr	haha Kilos, you win	07:10
SmilyBorg	phoned the electricity department at 5:30. still no power by 7:30 when I left home	07:10
sflr	which city SmilyBorg?	07:10
SmilyBorg	luckily our geyser is fairly well insulated so there was still hot water when we woke up	07:11
SmilyBorg	Durban	07:11
Kilos	aw i didnt know durbs has the same probs as us	07:11
SmilyBorg	hehe, the whole country has power issues from time to time. thats life in ZA	07:12
Kilos	normally its us maplotters that get pushed to the backseat	07:12
Kilos	but good to know you in durbs, will start nagging the durbanites for an ubuntu hour soon	07:13
sflr	wish Eskom website had a section to check for power outages	07:13
SmilyBorg	hehe	07:13
SmilyBorg	getting Durban to do anything is not easy. I tried to resurrect the local LUG last year but we are back to no meetings and a quiet mailing list again. At least we have a mailing list though.	07:14
sflr	Durban news: No blackouts despite cold: http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/no-blackouts-despite-cold-1.1318962#.T9rgbbQtjyM	07:14
superfly	SmilyBorg: which mailing list is that?	07:14
Kilos	sflr, its quite amazing. a while back i went to the top of the local govt peeps because of power on offs and 5 mins at a rtime etc and got mails as they passed it down the line.	07:15
SmilyBorg	though I'm looking to stir things up a bit in the next few months by opening my apartment to small groups once a month for training, hacking, learning, tinkering stuff	07:15
Kilos	and near the end one mailed showed a pc printout of all the power offs in the area for a month	07:15
SmilyBorg	http://dbnlug.co.za/ http://groups.google.com/group/dbnlug/	07:16
sflr	thats a great initiative SmilyBorg!	07:17
Kilos	SmilyBorg, have you joined our list?	07:17
SmilyBorg	I think our power issues at the moment are hardware failure. that seems to be the usual thing	07:17
SmilyBorg	which list?	07:17
sflr	Kilos: new twitter user to follow: https://twitter.com/#!/DurbanLinux	07:17
SmilyBorg	I'm on so many	07:17
Kilos	ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com	07:17
Kilos	the most important one of course	07:18
SmilyBorg	sflr: thanks. I'm kinda big on community. Been an isolated geek all my life and the world opened up to me once I went to my first LUG meeting back in 1999ish. So I'm big on trying to get like minded people together to teach and learn from. Sharing knowledge is good. And knowing that there are other like minded people around is a great way to not feel like some sort of freak	07:20
SmilyBorg	Kilos: will double check that	07:20
SmilyBorg	might be on it already	07:20
SmilyBorg	yup, on the list	07:21
superfly	SmilyBorg: what's your day job, if I may ask?	07:21
Kilos	oh you were still in the lurking stage maybe	07:21
SmilyBorg	just lurk most of the time though	07:21
Kilos	hehe	07:21
SmilyBorg	I'm a linux sysadmin/network admin/annoying bitch who tells techies that they are lazy and or stupid	07:21
superfly	SmilyBorg: ah, OK	07:22
Kilos	we have woken up a sleeping giant	07:22
SmilyBorg	It's kind of a strange position that my co-workers respect my wide knowledge of stuff(well wider than most of them), but they don't like it when I get annoyed that they don't do things properly	07:24
Kilos	lol human nature	07:24
SmilyBorg	at least I've calmed down over the years. I worked with a bunch of them about 5 years back, and back then I would throw things at techies who asked stupid questions	07:25
Kilos	hehe	07:25
Kilos	patience is a virtue	07:26
SmilyBorg	and I would tell techies to leave and never come back. One for example was working on an ISP helpdesk. I asked him for his PCs IP since someone was torrenting in the office. he asked how he should find that, so i told him to leave	07:26
SmilyBorg	not that I have the power to fire anyone, but someone who does not know how to find the IP of a windows box should not be working on an ISP helpdesk	07:27
* Kilos hides		07:27
SmilyBorg	anyway, I like to think I've mellowed a bit in my "old age", and various changes in my life in the past year or 2 helped too	07:28
sflr	lol @ SmilyBorg.	07:28
sflr	www.whatismyipaddress.com comes handy sometimes :P	07:29
Kilos	SmilyBorg, old age?	07:29
sflr	do you work for an ISP SmilyBorg ?	07:29
SmilyBorg	31, thats ancient in internet time ;-)	07:29
SmilyBorg	ya, small one	07:29
Kilos	oh my, the young ones, darling they're the young ones	07:30
SmilyBorg	sites like that only help if you have live IPs, not so much help behind NAT	07:30
sflr	we were talking here last few days about getting a local irc server. Symmetria suggested to go and approach mweb. What do you think of a local ZA freenode irc server?	07:30
SmilyBorg	sounds like a good idea	07:31
sflr	please come to Monday's meeting http://bit.ly/LYp5jY there is lots to discuss.	07:33
SmilyBorg	I wonder if it might makes sense to talk to the wug.za.net guys about IRC though. They run a server locally that is used by a few WUGS and it might just make sense to pool resources and expand it into the freenode network	07:33
SmilyBorg	I'll try to make it. just been really busy lately sorting out moving into a new place.	07:33
Kilos	good idea	07:33
SmilyBorg	putting it on my callendar now	07:34
sflr	ok, it is just one hour, but there are some serious items there.	07:34
sflr	time is precious, we shouldnt be longer than 1 hour. if things run longer we can set up other meetings afterwards.	07:35
SmilyBorg	oki. will do my best to make it	07:35
sflr	I hate when at work people run out of time and keep you in meeting	07:35
sflr	thanks SmilyBorg	07:35
SmilyBorg	power and telkom permitting ;-)	07:36
sflr	haha, yeah	07:36
sflr	SmilyBorg: Do you guys do website hosting or only ISP?	07:37
SmilyBorg	there is some site hosting, on a windows server in the UK though. glad I dont have to touch that too much. mainly adsl and wireless internet access and VOIP services	07:38
sflr	cool. thanks	07:39
SmilyBorg	very small ISP ;-)	07:39
SmilyBorg	been beating my co-workers over the head this morning for double NATing a wireless client	07:39
sflr	as long as there are customers and making profit, size doesnt matter :)	07:40
SmilyBorg	I so wish I could just switch everything to IPv6 now	07:40
SmilyBorg	true. the bills get paid and that's the main thing	07:40
sflr	haha, something to talk about later over a beer	07:40
Kilos	bbl, just gotta go check fences	07:41
sflr	ok Kilos, be safe!	07:41
Kilos	ty sflr will do	07:41
Kilos	the big man is on my side	07:41
SmilyBorg	enjoy	07:41
Kilos	inetpro, is gonna be shocked when he reads logs this morning	07:42
sflr	SmilyBorg last night we talked about setting up an NPO to create a legal entity for this community, so we could get sponsorhips for events and spreading the good news	07:43
SmilyBorg	hehe	07:43
SmilyBorg	cool	07:43
SmilyBorg	being an NPO can really open doors	07:43
inetpro	hmm... who woke me up so early? Kilos, that you?	07:43
inetpro	good morning gents	07:43
Kilos	ha ha ha	07:43
SmilyBorg	hi inetpro	07:44
inetpro	we still don't have ladys in here, do we?	07:44
Kilos	hi inetpro you got lotsa reading	07:44
sflr	hi inetpro . did the alarm go off? hehe	07:44
Kilos	later	07:44
SmilyBorg	yes you do	07:44
inetpro	hi SmilyBorg, nice to see some durbanites in here	07:44
SmilyBorg	have ladies in there I mean	07:44
SmilyBorg	thanks	07:44
SmilyBorg	well, one at least I mean	07:44
sflr	ladies?	07:44
SmilyBorg	me	07:45
inetpro	SmilyBorg: eh	07:45
sflr	thought Maaz is a sex bomb!	07:45
inetpro	hmm...	07:45
SmilyBorg	what's wrong inetpro?	07:46
* inetpro has some fleas to kill		07:47
sflr	SmilyBorg: these are the requirements for freenode server hosting https://www.freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml	07:48
inetpro	SmilyBorg: whether man or woman doesn't really matter, you're welcome regardless	07:48
SmilyBorg	oh, on the subject of NPOs, one group I'm involved with was able to get free use of the "multi purpose" room at the local library because they are an NPO. Non NPOs have to pay like R60-80 an hour or something/	07:48
sflr	where is fleas? dog?	07:48
inetpro	sflr: fleas in the office, can't focus me attention in here	07:49
SmilyBorg	Thanks inetpro. That's the way it should be. :-)	07:49
sflr	SmilyBorg: tell us more about your NPO knowledge? :)	07:49
sflr	at the office? oh no. gonna be a long day	07:49
SmilyBorg	I don't know much, just the little bit that I heard from the guy who runs the group	07:50
inetpro	SmilyBorg: so I guess I shall stick to just good morning everyone then :-)	07:50
* inetpro wbb		07:50
SmilyBorg	hehe, well "good morning people" works too	07:50
SmilyBorg	;-)	07:50
SmilyBorg	wow, fairly basic requirements for an IRC server. guess bandwidth is the real killer though	07:51
Symmetria	lol	07:52
Symmetria	bandwidth is never a killer	07:53
Symmetria	until you get attacked	07:53
SmilyBorg	hehe	07:53
SmilyBorg	ya	07:53
Symmetria	bandwidth on irc servers is next to nothing	07:53
* Symmetria just asked his gardener to play with his pup so he could actually work :P		07:53
SmilyBorg	hehe	07:53
Symmetria	god puppy was being a nightmare, trying to work and she's getting all cross that Im not playing with her, so she jumps on my lap and tries to bite my hands while Im typing	07:54
Symmetria	(and she weighs 30 kilograms)	07:54
SmilyBorg	aww	07:54
Symmetria	not to mention I have no socks to wear cause she stole them all! arghhhh	07:54
Symmetria	hehe	07:54
SmilyBorg	hehe	07:54
Symmetria	she's cute just really full of energy	07:54
SmilyBorg	one of my dad's neighbors used to have a cat who would come into our house and steal socks out of our cupboards	07:55
SmilyBorg	strangest thing	07:55
Symmetria	lol, we used a radar gun to see how fast my dog could run on the beach	07:56
Symmetria	she managed to hit 50 kilometers an hour :p	07:56
SmilyBorg	wow	07:56
Symmetria	and she never stops running	07:56
Symmetria	lol, will show you a photo in a second, its uploading :P lol, good photo to, shows what my new toy can really do :)	07:56
sflr	hey Symmetria!	08:01
sflr	lol @ the cat stealing socks! haha	08:01
Symmetria	http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie6.jpg	08:02
Symmetria	heh	08:02
Symmetria	took that yesterday with the 7D	08:02
SmilyBorg	aww. cute puppy	08:06
Symmetria	hehe the quality of that photo is just sick	08:06
SmilyBorg	yeah	08:06
Kilos	Maaz, google twitter commands	08:14
Maaz	Kilos: "Twitter Help Center \| Twitter SMS Commands" http://support.twitter.com/articles/14020-twitter-sms-commands :: "List of Twitter Commands [splitbrain.org]" http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2008-01/22-list_of_twitter_commands :: "Twitter Syntax · Microformats Wiki" http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-syntax :: "Top 7 Twitter Commands Everyone Should Know" http://cantondog.com/128/top-7-twitter-commands-everyone-should-know/ :: "36 Thin	08:14
Kilos	sjoe inetpro die mense kan gesels ne	08:15
inetpro	Kilos: eh, ja looks like we're in for some fun today	08:15
inetpro	SmilyBorg: you sure sound like one of a kind	08:16
Kilos	great	08:16
inetpro	I like that attitude	08:16
Kilos	definitely	08:16
SmilyBorg	:-)	08:16
SmilyBorg	thanks	08:16
Kilos	and maybe maia too	08:16
Kilos	we do have chicks here	08:16
Kilos	mrs_fly, good morning	08:17
Kilos	and	08:17
Kilos	confluency,	08:17
Kilos	hehe	08:17
Kilos	the world doesnt have enough geekchicks	08:18
SmilyBorg	hehe, we exist, just many lurk in the shadows because too many buys make to much of a big deal about it	08:19
SmilyBorg	guys	08:19
SmilyBorg	that or people assume we don't know our stuff	08:19
inetpro	SmilyBorg: true	08:20
Kilos	is that why you lurked so long here?	08:20
Kilos	this is the happiest friendliest irc channel around	08:21
SmilyBorg	I don't think my girlfriend went to more than 2 or 3 Lug meetings last year because of some of the highly abrasive and misogynistic personalities, though she is still a very dedicated list admin	08:21
SmilyBorg	most of the time I lurk because I'm busy with other stuff	08:21
Symmetria	in general you wont find me anywhere near any lug meetings	08:22
Symmetria	I got sick of the religion at those meetings	08:22
SmilyBorg	why not Symmetria?	08:22
SmilyBorg	oh	08:22
SmilyBorg	I guess it depends on the group	08:22
Symmetria	SmilyBorg because everything out there has a purpose, if it didnt, it wouldnt exist, and instead of people taking about the virtues of X, they spent their time slagging on other things	08:22
* SmilyBorg nods		08:23
Banlam	religion? as in people being religious towards ubuntu? or actual religion?	08:23
Symmetria	like it or not, windows has a place, just as linux has a place, just as qnx has a place, just as BSD has a place, its not a productive use of time to sit slagging on microsoft :)	08:23
Banlam	right	08:23
Symmetria	banlam as in "bow down and worship the linux kernel and all that is ubuntu, and everything else is of the devil and should burn in the fires of hell"	08:23
Symmetria	:p	08:23
Banlam	i agree with you there	08:24
Kilos	hehe	08:24
SmilyBorg	ya. I have my dig at the M$ stuff now and then, but it all has its place and to me its all about having the choices available to us. everyone is free to choose	08:24
Symmetria	my biggest complaint is that linux users scream that opensource gives them choice, but they dont want choice, they want world domination :p	08:25
Symmetria	lol	08:25
SmilyBorg	hehe	08:25
SmilyBorg	good point	08:25
Symmetria	its like the ANC, ZOMG WE WANT DEMOCRACY! "Oh shit, we're losing some votes, quick, lets rig it" :p	08:25
SmilyBorg	lol	08:25
SmilyBorg	hehe, thats annother story. one of our LUG members became a DA councelor after being in linux/IT for 10 years or more	08:26
Symmetria	heh, I use a combination of pretty much everything	08:27
Symmetria	windows, linux, osx, qnx, bsd	08:27
Symmetria	aint used solaris in a fair while but know my way around that as well	08:27
SmilyBorg	at the end of the day, the only thing I tend to get somewhat religeous about these days is open standards. as long as things interoperate, then I dont care what someone else uses, just don't expect me to fix it	08:27
Symmetria	was actually really suprised to see QNX finally being used by for something productive	08:28
Symmetria	SmilyBorg heh, Im pretty particular about open standards and implementations in the network gear I use	08:28
Symmetria	I point blank refuse to use network protocols that are proprietary	08:28
SmilyBorg	oh? pleas tell me you don't mean for blackberry ;-)	08:28
Symmetria	(eigrp for example)	08:28
SmilyBorg	^	08:28
SmilyBorg	with you there	08:29
Symmetria	then again, the network vendors cant seem to agree on anything yet	08:29
SmilyBorg	hehe	08:29
Symmetria	for the better part of 8 or 9 months, 100GE interfaces from one vendor wouldnt talk to another	08:29
SmilyBorg	eek	08:30
Symmetria	because IETF couldnt agree on the 100GE standard	08:30
SmilyBorg	hehe, typical	08:30
Symmetria	heh, ZR networking optics STILL arent standardized	08:30
Symmetria	(ZR being 80 kilometer single wavelength optics)	08:30
SmilyBorg	gonna get fun with the competition between TRILL and SPB	08:31
SmilyBorg	and the various forms of BGP origin validation stuff that is flying around	08:31
Symmetria	heh, occasionally though, someone proposes an open standard that is so bizarre and dangerous that some of us stand up and scream	08:31
Symmetria	SmilyBorg RPKI NEEDS TO DIE	08:32
SmilyBorg	hehe	08:32
Symmetria	I am probably the most vocal opponent of RPKI on the continent right now	08:32
SmilyBorg	havnt delved into it yet. just herd about it the other day on the packetpushers.net podcast	08:32
Symmetria	I had a huge go at afrinic for going down that path in gambia 3 weeks ago	08:32
Symmetria	heh rpki is dangerous, more dangerous than I can even begin to explain	08:33
SmilyBorg	how so? because of the centralized root authority or something else?	08:34
Symmetria	centralized root authority for one thing, and the risk of government interfearance	08:35
* SmilyBorg nods		08:35
Symmetria	there is already enough bullshit going on out there with governments trying to take control	08:35
SmilyBorg	true	08:36
Symmetria	the DHS accidently revoked 80k domains a few months ago	08:36
Symmetria	verisign revoked a domain that was not even registered by a US company or a US citizen, under a US court order	08:36
SmilyBorg	"accidentally"	08:36
Symmetria	heh, the 80k thing was a royal screwup	08:37
Symmetria	the second one was very deliberate	08:37
Banlam	pirate bay or something?	08:37
SmilyBorg	ya, thats ridiculous. the internet should not be under any form of government control in my opinion	08:37
Symmetria	banlam heh, an online gambling site	08:40
Symmetria	they said gambling was illegal in the particular state that granted the court order	08:40
Banlam	oh, an american one?	08:40
Symmetria	so they revoked the domain	08:40
Banlam	lol	08:41
Symmetria	no, it was a canadian one :p	08:41
Symmetria	load of b.s if you ask me :)	08:41
Banlam	wow	08:41
Banlam	is nothing sacred	08:41
Banlam	what's your feeling on the new top level domains? I think it's a waste of time personally	08:41
Symmetria	lo, its pure vanity	08:42
SmilyBorg	hehe	08:42
SmilyBorg	yeah	08:42
Banlam	yeah, it just seems like it's going to complicate matters	08:42
Banlam	unnecessarily	08:42
SmilyBorg	gonna confuse people	08:42
Symmetria	:P I still want co.ke though	08:43
Banlam	is ke currently a tld?	08:43
Banlam	kenya?	08:43
Symmetria	then I can sell columbian.co.ke to some drug dealer for millions	08:43
Symmetria	:p	08:43
Symmetria	yeah	08:43
Banlam	lol	08:43
Symmetria	I once tried very hard to get someone to make me piz.za :P	08:43
SmilyBorg	we've spent the last 20 years teaching people to go to companyname.com. now they are gonna be screwed being told to go to docs.google or itunes.apple or something	08:43
Symmetria	do you have any idea how much hut.piz.za would be worth?	08:43
Banlam	a helluva lot	08:44
SmilyBorg	hehe	08:44
SmilyBorg	yum	08:44
Banlam	do kenya also do the xyz.co.za	08:44
Banlam	or just xyz.ke	08:44
Banlam	.ke *	08:44
Symmetria	or.ke etc	08:44
Symmetria	they have a second level there	08:44
Banlam	so same setup as SA	08:45
Symmetria	yeah	08:45
Symmetria	and most other countries	08:45
Banlam	i like the setup	08:45
Symmetria	brb, I need a smoke :)	08:45
Banlam	but it does prevent you playing wiht names	08:45
Kerbero	more people with control	08:45
Banlam	like i would get gare.th	08:45
Banlam	if they weren't so damn expensive	08:46
inetpro	Yikes! You guys sure are having fun in here today.	08:48
inetpro	Maaz: what's for lunch	08:48
Maaz	inetpro: A bowl of miso soup and noodles	08:48
Kerbero	that's a good thing	08:48
inetpro	yuck	08:48
Kilos	oh my	08:49
* Kilos needs to make my scroll back remember more that 1400 lines i think		08:50
Symmetria	holy shit	08:54
Symmetria	I just saw the price of an underwater housing	08:54
Symmetria	for my camera	08:54
sflr	kenya is co.ke	08:54
sflr	nigeria com.ng	08:54
sflr	how much is the housing Symmetria ?	08:55
sflr	Banlam: you can try to register via local isp	08:56
Symmetria	sflr about 15 grand !	08:57
Banlam	sflr, what do you mean? the price is still damn expensive, and they don't allow xyz.th domains, only a xyz.co.th	08:57
Banlam	Symmetria, when i start work and get myself a new camera, I'm gonna try make myself a case for my 350D :)	08:58
Banlam	I say "how hard can it be"	08:58
Symmetria	CHOKE	08:59
Symmetria	look at this:	08:59
Symmetria	http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nauticam-NA-7D-housing-Canon-camera/dp/B006UD93EA/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1339750701&sr=8-19	08:59
Banlam	does it come with the camera :P	09:00
sflr	I wonder if anybody bought it. there are no reviews. haha	09:00
Banlam	if they've made the product, someones bought it	09:01
Banlam	companies don't spend thousands-millions of dollars on product development if there's no market, generally in any case	09:01
sflr	was just kidding. lol	09:02
Banlam	damn sarcasm tags :P	09:02
sflr	Banlam I see what you mean with the th domain being expensive :/	09:03
Banlam	yeah, for the time being i'm quite happy with my R80pa .com	09:04
sflr	what about Gar.et/h?	09:04
Banlam	wtf is et? estonia or something?	09:05
sflr	ethiopia :)	09:05
Banlam	lulz	09:05
Banlam	what do they gofor?	09:05
sflr	top level not allowed I think, you can only use .com.et, etc	09:06
Banlam	ai	09:06
sflr	banl.am would work. Armenia	09:07
Banlam	:P	09:07
Kilos	Banlam, did you give me the follow command for twitter?	09:08
Banlam	i did	09:08
Kilos	is unfollow also one	09:08
sflr	https://www.amnic.net/	09:08
Banlam	try it :)	09:09
Banlam	"Gwibber doess alllow follow/unfollow from the profile view, since about 3.1.6 or so."	09:09
Banlam	what happens if you try to view the person's profile?	09:10
sflr	isnt there a better twitter client alternative?	09:11
* Banlam uses the browser or phone's client		09:11
Kilos	i see no profile choice anywhere	09:11
Kilos	grrr	09:11
Kilos	lemme try setup gtwitter and see whats there	09:12
* inetpro uses choqok with an update interval of 30 minutes		09:13
inetpro	the web interface unfortunately talks to much the whole time	09:13
Kilos	is choqok inna repos inetpro ?	09:13
sflr	just checked now gwibber. designed by developers. it is far from a true twitter user experience.	09:14
Kilos	yeah gwibber is basic once you have setup online methinks	09:14
inetpro	unfortunately, at least last time I tried, choqok didn't work so nicely in the normal Ubuntu interface	09:17
inetpro	Kilos: but yes choqok is in the repos	09:18
sflr	5 linux twitter clients: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-linux-twitter-clients/	09:19
inetpro	SmilyBorg: your power restored yet?	09:25
SmilyBorg	dunno. I'm at work and the power issue was at home	09:26
SmilyBorg	hopefully telkom will call soon about my new ADSL line install soon, will go check on it then	09:26
inetpro	hmm...	09:26
Kilos	sjoe spanne k stuff to install	09:27
inetpro	SmilyBorg: BTW, what desktop are you using, just for interest sake	09:28
Kilos	betycha not kde	09:29
SmilyBorg	um..lets see. using gnome 3 on my work and home desktops, and the gnome-no-frills-compatibility-crippled-version on my laptop since AMD/ATI stopped supporting my video chip	09:29
SmilyBorg	actualy been contemplating trying kde again	09:29
Kilos	the pro and the fly are kde fans	09:30
SmilyBorg	gnome 3 is nice, but I miss the flexibility of gnome 2	09:30
SmilyBorg	and the addons are just not doing it for me	09:30
Kilos	you dont like unity?	09:30
SmilyBorg	I didn't like it when it first came out. I should probably give the latest version a go	09:31
SmilyBorg	it was way laggy on my old work pc though	09:31
inetpro	I think Unity has come a very long way and is starting to look promising	09:31
Kilos	there were some complaints in the lists about that but they sorted them	09:32
SmilyBorg	it seems to have some nice ideas	09:32
inetpro	but KDE is IMHO the most underestimated giant	09:33
inetpro	a default install is perhaps not the most inviting and that is where unity is winning the race for the everyday user	09:34
Kilos	sflr, is happy with it	09:34
SmilyBorg	ya. I used to use KDE for many years. I loved the integration between the mail and chat client, and so much of the 4.x rework did some cool stuff. I think the big change hurt them though, much like the change to gnome 3 has hurt gnome	09:34
Kilos	i mean unity sorry	09:35
inetpro	SmilyBorg: very true	09:35
Kilos	eish now poqok setting up	09:37
* Kilos hates setting stuff up		09:37
Kilos	oh choqok sorry	09:37
sflr	i'm running ubuntu desktop 12.04 using unity 3d. happy so far	09:43
SmilyBorg	I'll probably give unity another look once my home PC is setup again. being in the middle of a move, it's currently unplugged	09:49
SmilyBorg	and has no desk to sit on	09:49
SmilyBorg	if telkom actualy arrive today, then maybe I can get it setup again this weekend	09:50
Kilos	yeah then you can be at mondays meet	09:51
SmilyBorg	:-)	09:51
Kilos	hehe i love stirring	09:51
SmilyBorg	guess I could allways try to participate from my phone or tablet if push came to shove	09:51
Kilos	some of the guys do	09:52
Kilos	oh you are a guy here hey	09:52
Kilos	guy=person here	09:52
SmilyBorg	hehe, ya, the non gendered version of guy	09:53
Kilos	hehe	09:54
Kilos	anyone else using choqok?	09:57
Kilos	text so tiny i have to use reading glasses	09:58
SmilyBorg	pidgin here	09:58
Kilos	oh pidgin twitter?	09:58
SmilyBorg	no. I use tweetdeck for twitter these days. I think pidgin can do twitter though. or at least it used to be able to	09:59
Kilos	i have used pidgin twitter but then all the peeps came off the bottom of the screen	10:00
* SmilyBorg nods		10:00
Kilos	hehe	10:00
SmilyBorg	hehe, twittering-mode for emacs. why am I not surprised?	10:00
SmilyBorg	just did a search for twitter in synaptic	10:01
SmilyBorg	other than IRC/IM I tend to use web apps and chrome pluggins for most stuff these days	10:02
SmilyBorg	saves me having to sync stuff between PCs	10:02
Kilos	yeah	10:03
SmilyBorg	also plugged fairly securely into the google/android ecosystem too	10:04
Kilos	i try not use browser as much as possible	10:04
Kilos	pidgin xchat and mail mainly	10:05
sflr	i follow the same practice SmilyBorg. living in the cloud :) nowadays many apps were ported to Chrome which makes things convenient to use	10:08
SmilyBorg	ya, especialy now that chrome syncs everything between systems :-)	10:09
sflr	are you using the Chrome Tweetdeck SmilyBorg ?	10:12
SmilyBorg	yup	10:12
sflr	Thanks to the cloud, my switch from Windows to Ubuntu was a breeze	10:13
SmilyBorg	:-)	10:14
SmilyBorg	I dont think "the cloud" as it exists today was around when I switched	10:14
SmilyBorg	well when I switched to Linux	10:14
SmilyBorg	started playing with Linux back in 1996 and it has been my primary OS at home and work since 2001	10:15
SmilyBorg	only use Windows for games	10:15
HawkiesZA	With Humble Bundles, not even that much	10:16
sflr	The corporate environment handed me Windows to work with. But now it is different. Thanks to dropbox, Google drive, etc	10:16
sflr	what games do you play?	10:16
HawkiesZA	Me?	10:16
SmilyBorg	the humble bundles are nice, tried some of them a while back	10:16
Kilos	hi HawkiesZA	10:16
sflr	I was Linux user at varsity	10:17
SmilyBorg	mainly RPGs these days. Skyrim, Mass Effect, Dragon Age	10:17
SmilyBorg	a bit of portal here and there	10:17
HawkiesZA	I'll play almost anything. I've found indie games to be way more enjoyable than AAA titles because the indies are always trying something new.	10:17
HawkiesZA	Still have to finish Witcher 2 though	10:17
SmilyBorg	minecraft	10:17
HawkiesZA	Bought the collectors ed and haven't finished it	10:17
* HawkiesZA hangs head in shame		10:18
HawkiesZA	Howdy Kilos	10:18
SmilyBorg	been meaning to take a look at witcher. a friend had it and it looked good	10:18
SmilyBorg	dont feel bad HawkiesZA, I still havnt finished most of the games I've started in the last year or 2, other than portal	10:18
HawkiesZA	It's really good. Sexy graphics, great story, excellent characters	10:18
HawkiesZA	Too many games nowadays have poor characters that mean nothing to the player	10:19
SmilyBorg	still part way through skyrim, dragon age 2, mass effect 3, Deus Ex: Human revolution, Alien vs Predator and Duke Nukem forever	10:21
SmilyBorg	portal 1 I finished in 1 evening and portal 2 in 2 evenings for the single player bit	10:21
HawkiesZA	SmilyBorg: I was so disappointed with DA2 and still haven't played further than the first mission in Deus Ex	10:21
HawkiesZA	Hahahaha, yeah, I was about the same with Portal 2. Just. Could. Not. Stop. Playing.	10:22
SmilyBorg	I quite liked DA2, though it became repetitive. ya, havnt got very far on Deus Ex either. think I'm on the first mission	10:22
SmilyBorg	hehe, ya, me either.	10:23
SmilyBorg	girlfriend gave it(portal 2) to me for my birthday last year and she watched me play through most of it.	10:23
SmilyBorg	havnt been able to convince her to get it so we can play co-op though	10:23
SmilyBorg	she doesnt like games where things try to kill her	10:24
SmilyBorg	she liked minecraft though once I turned off the monsters	10:24
Kilos	hehe	10:25
HawkiesZA	What is Minecraft without the green wang monster?	10:25
SmilyBorg	lol	10:25
SmilyBorg	a sandbox	10:25
HawkiesZA	No excitement	10:25
SmilyBorg	we like to build things	10:25
SmilyBorg	and not have them blown up	10:26
HawkiesZA	Explosions are fun!	10:26
SmilyBorg	its hard enough to keep chickens out of one's underground base	10:26
HawkiesZA	haha, true	10:26
SmilyBorg	true, but they are more fun when you want something to blow up rather than the intricate device you just spent 2 hours working on	10:27
Kilos	Squirm[A], you still going lad?	10:40
Kilos	yo Superhuman meeting monday night hey	10:40
Symmetria	dammit!	10:50
Symmetria	my puppy went and buried 13 of my socks	10:50
Squirm[A]	Kilos: where to?	10:51
SmilyBorg	lol	10:52
Squirm[A]	Symmetria: lol	10:52
Banlam	that's a lot of socks	10:52
=== Squirm[A] is now known as Squirm
Symmetria	lol, every time I turn my back she's running outta the door with another one	10:52
Symmetria	she figured out how to open my cupboard and she knows there are fun things in there to run off with	10:52
Symmetria	not as bad as when I was packing my suitcase for another trip and turned around for 5 minutes and found half the contents of my suitcase on the way out the door	10:53
Kilos	lol @ Squirm maintaining	10:54
Kilos	surviving, winning	10:55
Squirm	haha	10:55
Squirm	still very well :)	10:55
Squirm	yourself?	10:55
Kilos	good ty	10:55
Squirm	life's good so far	10:57
Squirm	good work, good people and for once, good boss	10:57
Squirm	:P	10:57
Kilos	yay	10:57
Kilos	do you tweet Squirm ?	10:58
Squirm	I have an account. but I don't really use it.	10:58
Squirm	meh, even facebook is boring	10:58
Kilos	ah cause we got ubuntu-za there now	10:59
Squirm	cool	10:59
inetpro	Symmetria: now here's one for you	11:04
inetpro	A Skype call in Ethiopia will now get you 15 years in prison http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/14/ethiopia-skype-illegal/	11:04
sflr	facebook is boring Squirm :)	11:22
sflr	inetpro - article says that VOIP is a security risk. It just confirms that telephone conversations are being monitored. lulz	11:25
Kilos	hmm all the tummy's full now almost asleep	12:08
Squirm	speaking of which	12:13
Squirm	I need to go and fetch my biltong	12:14
Kilos	ooo	12:17
inetpro	would be so nice if we could have irc clients connect to twitter to keep communication in a single application	12:21
Kilos	yeah	12:22
inetpro	all this graphic bloat is so unnecessary	12:22
Kilos	mind you with so many workspaces and popup windows to show messages we survive quite well	12:23
inetpro	and boticelli seems to have that two way integration into twitter over a bot specific twitter account http://code.google.com/p/boticelli/	12:33
Kilos	actually dunno if i want twitter mixed up in my xchat	12:38
Kilos	this is where guys talk about important things	12:39
Kilos	sometimes.....hehe	12:39
Kilos	oh inetpro how do i get text bigger in choqok	12:51
Kilos	before you start working	12:52
inetpro	haha	12:52
inetpro	Maaz: coffee on	12:52
* Maaz starts grinding coffee		12:52
Kilos	im cheeky hey?	12:52
Kilos	Maaz, coffee please\	12:52
Maaz	Kilos: Excuse me?	12:52
Kilos	grrr	12:52
Kilos	Maaz, coffee please	12:52
Maaz	Kilos: Sure	12:52
inetpro	Kilos: sadly that is one thing that is just not perfect yet about choqok	12:53
Kilos	sigh	12:53
inetpro	there are settings for changing the appearance though	12:53
Kilos	yeah but i just need to be able to read it without changes glasses tween the screen and keyboard everytime	12:54
Kilos	Maaz, google how to increase text size in choqok	12:55
Maaz	Kilos: "PortableLinuxApps • View topic - Choqok and Blogilo" http://portablelinuxapps.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=58 :: "ncb000gt/choqok-bitly · GitHub" https://github.com/ncb000gt/choqok-bitly :: "Choqok User Survey Available - Softpedia" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Choqok-User-Survey-Available-255322.shtml :: "Salix OS • View topic - Choqok crashes when authenticating Twitter ..." http://www.salixos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=328	12:55
Maaz	Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!	12:56
inetpro	Kilos: have you tried changing font size?	12:56
Kilos	Maaz, thanks man	12:56
Maaz	Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)	12:56
inetpro	Maaz: thanks	12:56
Maaz	inetpro: Sure	12:56
Kilos	on my pcs appearance yes i have it to 16 already	12:57
inetpro	now what happened with SmilyBorg?	12:57
Kilos	donwent home i suppose to see if telkom arrived	12:58
Kilos	and see if power back on	12:58
Kilos	yo zergi	12:58
Kilos	wheres the l	12:58
inetpro	I like her idea of TweetDeck in the browser	12:59
Kilos	someone else also uses that	12:59
inetpro	I just don't really like the look and feel of it so much but will give it a test when I'm at home	12:59
Kilos	sflr, methinks	12:59
Kilos	nee man choqok is good enough	13:00
zergi	lol Kilos	13:00
=== zergi is now known as zerlgi
Kilos	hahaha	13:00
zerlgi	fixed	13:00
Kilos	i always get it mixed up anyway	13:01
sflr	in Chrome app	13:01
Kilos	see it as zergli	13:01
sflr	Tweetdeck new shiny HTML5 app	13:01
zerlgi	i use hotot in browser	13:01
zerlgi	(chromium extension)	13:01
Kilos	inetpro, do one of maaz's links tell you how to increase text size	13:09
inetpro	what I really like about choqok is that it shows the unread items very clearly	13:11
inetpro	until you close the window	13:11
Kilos	lol if you can read them ya	13:11
Kilos	ian is using kubuntu11.10 hey	13:12
Kilos	he is still happy with kde	13:12
inetpro	Kilos: my default text size on choqok is very readable	13:12
Kilos	1mm?	13:13
inetpro	but I would like it slightly bigger	13:13
inetpro	Kilos: have you tried changing font size?	13:13
Kilos	oh maybe your eyes are a bit younger	13:13
Kilos	font size in choqok?	13:13
inetpro	Kilos: Settings \| Configure \| Appearance	13:13
Kilos	the ones in appearance do nothing to choqok	13:14
inetpro	then use custom appearance	13:14
Kilos	custom colours?	13:15
Kilos	hehe	13:15
Kilos	nothing about fonts	13:15
inetpro	nothing about Post Fonts?	13:16
inetpro	sounds like you have a very old version	13:16
inetpro	I have version 1.2	13:16
Kilos	its the one in maverick	13:16
Kilos	will upgrade choqok work	13:17
Kilos	or must i get the ppa	13:17
inetpro	your maverick is getting old now	13:18
Kilos	ya man but to install 11.04 is gonna use too much data	13:18
Kilos	i have 11.04 on my 6g drive	13:19
Kilos	but also coupla 100 m short on updates	13:19
inetpro	Kilos: you're becoming famous again	13:30
sflr	what about 12.04? :) will post a CD	13:30
inetpro	your tweet is even listed at http://choqok.gnufolks.org/	13:31
Kilos	what now inetpro ?	13:31
Kilos	sflr, pc cant handle unity	13:31
Kilos	methinks graphics card too tiny	13:31
Kilos	haha	13:31
sflr	sjoe. what spec PC?	13:32
inetpro	Adilson dos Santos Dantas has a Experimental Packages PPA with choqok 1.3	13:33
Kilos	its a P4 1.7g clocked to 2g	13:33
inetpro	https://launchpad.net/~adilson/+archive/experimental	13:33
Kilos	but graphics card is only 32m memory	13:33
Kilos	one of the first P4's methinks	13:34
Kilos	still uses sda ram	13:35
Kilos	sdr	13:35
sflr	isnt there Ubuntu monochrome you can try? :)	13:36
Kilos	haha	13:36
Kilos	the pc works lekker man. can watch videos and everything	13:36
Kilos	even dvds copied onto drive from boets pc	13:37
Kilos	software sources list. can i do that from cli guys?	13:40
Kilos	or must i go fiddle in update manager	13:41
zerlgi	sudo add-apt-repository	13:41
Kilos	ty zerlgi	13:41
zerlgi	specifically	13:42
zerlgi	sudo add-apt-repository ppa:adilson/experimental	13:42
zerlgi	and... sudo apt-get update for it to show up in known software	13:42
Kilos	thanks alot	13:43
zerlgi	I just use hotot in chrome. I haven't found a desktop twitter client that I like. (hotot is also available as an app)	13:44
zerlgi	alias ai = sudo apt-get install	13:44
zerlgi	...	13:44
zerlgi	ai hotot	13:44
zerlgi	alias au = sudo apt-get update	13:44
zerlgi	alias ac = apt-cache search	13:44
zerlgi	... makes it a little faster for the fingers()	13:45
Kilos	hi psydroid	13:53
psydroid	hi Kilos	13:55
Kilos	do you tweet psydroid	13:55
Kilos	first thought only twits tweet but now see there are some serious dudes there	13:56
psydroid	Kilos, I have an account but I didn't use it for the same reason as yours	13:57
Kilos	lol do like me and only got to ubuntu-za	13:57
psydroid	and so far my twitter career hasn't taken off yet	13:57
psydroid	yeah, that's what I've been doing all along	13:58
Kilos	not here man on twitter	13:58
psydroid	haha	14:01
psydroid	I know	14:01
Kilos	oh you been lurking and looking on the sly hey	14:02
Kilos	i been so busy i have missed some of you methinks	14:02
psydroid	ok, I am following now	14:06
Kilos	good lad. bbnn	14:06
psydroid	I might as well add a few more channels at the same time	14:06
psydroid	wb Kilos	14:18
Kilos	ty psydroid	14:26
zerlgi	cheers peeps	14:39
KilosQ	w00t	14:39
KilosQ	cheers zerlgi	14:39
Kilos	hi drussell	15:06
drussell	Kilos: hey! how's things?	15:07
Kilos	good ty and you?	15:07
Kilos	you havent joined ubuntu-za on twitter yet	15:07
Kilos	or dont you tweet	15:07
Kilos	inetpro, when you finished working and settled at home ping me	15:23
Kilos	hey charl	15:28
charl	good afternoon	15:29
charl	hi Kilos	15:29
Kilos	wheres the vn	15:29
charl	i might as well just log in as charl	15:29
Kilos	yeah, dont forget the meeting monday night hey	15:30
charl	yeah i was in training the whole day today, will also be on monday	15:30
charl	i will try t join in the evening	15:31
charl	*to	15:31
Kilos	please do its gonna be a good one	15:31
Kilos	lotsa ideas coming in	15:31
charl	sounds good	15:31
Kilos	brb	16:23
magespawn	Evening all	16:41
Kilos	evening magespawn	16:42
magespawn	Hey Kilos	16:42
Kilos	you shoulda been here this morning. channel was alive	16:43
magespawn	Mmm, had to work unfortunately	16:44
superfly	hey magespawn	16:47
Kilos	hi superfly i need to pick your brains again please	16:49
superfly	Kilos: what's up?	16:49
Kilos	i have installed choqok and the text remains tiny no matter what. so install quassel to see what happens and exactly the same	16:50
Kilos	is it a binding or hook or some integration witrh ubuntu thats upset	16:50
Kilos	in the apps i make fonts bigger but it doesnt recognise the change	16:51
superfly	Kilos: hrm	16:53
magespawn	Hey superfly	16:55
superfly	hey magespawn	16:55
superfly	Kilos: I know why but I don't really know how	16:55
Kilos	lol	16:56
Kilos	because im trying kde stuff on gnome?	16:56
superfly	Kilos: in essence, yes	17:14
Kilos	ty superfly will try get kubuntu alternates to upgrade with	17:23
Kilos	hi smile	17:23
smile	hoi :D	17:24
Kilos	hmm the geekchick must still have no power	17:58
charl	Kilos: how do you mean? he/she/it is in #glug.za	17:59
Kilos	she	17:59
Kilos	oh my	17:59
Kilos	we must bored her this morning	17:59
charl	lol	17:59
charl	you sure it's not an "it", the username is "bots@elegua.za.net"	18:00
Kilos	no too cheeky	18:00
Kilos	and too clever to be a preprogrammed bot	18:01
charl	the owner of elegua.za.net is a Jean-Pierre Viljoen	18:01
Kilos	are we talking about the same person?	18:02
Kilos	smilyborg	18:02
Kilos	i go see glug	18:02
charl	no idea, don't know the guy	18:03
Kilos	ha ha ha that geekchick is a bot	18:03
Kilos	thats glugs bot	18:03
charl	oh so there is more than one? :)	18:03
charl	yeah i also thought so actually, that's why i was somewhat confused	18:03
Kilos	hehehe no man smilyborg i was refering too	18:04
charl	ah	18:04
Kilos	werent you here this morning?	18:04
charl	nope i was in training the whole day	18:05
charl	i'll check the irc logs	18:05
Kilos	ya lots	18:05
Kilos	yo AndChat\|68096	18:05
AndChat\|68096	Kilos guess who?	18:05
Kilos	magespawn,	18:05
AndChat\|68096	Yup	18:06
Kilos	bad connection you have there	18:06
=== AndChat\|68096 is now known as magespawn
magespawn	Was not paying attention.	18:07
Kilos	not a prob. will check if you got the same number everytime	18:08
magespawn	Should do, I think that is the second choice in the list of nicks in the program settings.	18:09
Kilos	ah the dont let you add what you want	18:09
magespawn	They do, but I only changed the first one.	18:10
Kilos	haha	18:10
magespawn	Did anyine bring up the idea of making a non profit orginisation again?	18:10
Kilos	um	18:11
Kilos	yes the chick and sf??	18:11
magespawn	And?	18:11
Kilos	she will talk to her mom i think	18:11
Kilos	somewhere someone has more experience	18:12
magespawn	Indeed. I will spend sometime tomorrow to see what I can find out.	18:13
Kilos	think she said her mom was involved or something	18:14
Kilos	she seems clued up,	18:15
Kilos	spose sysadmins gotta know what they are talking about	18:15
magespawn	I think the benefits will be good for the community, a permanent structure.	18:18
magespawn	Perhaps we could set up official training too.	18:19
Kilos	no one has time magespawn	18:21
Kilos	thats why the LPI classes battled so	18:22
magespawn	If there is a non profit they can pay salaries	18:22
Kilos	dont forget someone still has to find the money to pay those salaries	18:22
Kilos	and apart from being forgetful i would rather learn from peeeps like the guys here than go to classes	18:23
Kilos	in classes they got a schedule and havent time to help those battling to click on	18:24
Kilos	also we are all too far apart for something like that	18:25
Kilos	hey magespawn you havent followed ubuntu-za on twitter yet	18:25
magespawn	No not yet. Not classes just for us, but anyone, and people would pay for those classes.	18:27
Kilos	then you need someone like mark shuttleworth to sponsor you. premises and all cost big bucks	18:30
Kilos	hi never	18:30
Kilos	never when?	18:30
Kilos	hmm kubuntu user	18:32
magespawn	Would have to see what would work.	18:32
Kilos	he gave up so quick	18:33
Kilos	NeVeR, wb	18:33
NeVeR	lol thx.. I dont own this nick :\|	18:33
Kilos	your first time here	18:33
Kilos	and using kubuntu	18:34
Kilos	welcome to ubuntu-za	18:34
smile	bye! :)	18:36
Kilos	bye smile sleep tight	18:36
Kilos	dont forget the meet monday night	18:36
smile	Kilos: bye :)	18:36
Kilos	:)	18:37
=== NeVeR is now known as NeVeR_
Kilos	sorry superfly do you think that installing kde-desktop might fix my choqok and quassel	18:44
superfly	Kilos: I don't think so	18:44
Kilos	ok ty	18:44
=== NeVeR_ is now known as NeVeR
KilosQ	Maaz: coffee on	18:50
* Maaz washes some mugs		18:50
Kilos	Maaz, coffee please	18:50
Maaz	Kilos: Alrighty	18:50
Kilos	yoohoo i get 2 mugs of coffee	18:50
inetpro	Kilos: pong	18:51
Kilos	lo inetpro	18:52
inetpro	heh Kilos and charl, you really made me roflol with that geekchick discussion	18:52
Kilos	hahaha ya i took a while to catch on	18:52
inetpro	I guess charl is still reading those logs	18:53
Kilos	anyway inetpro i installed quassel to see if font size would work and it is exactly the same as choqok	18:53
Maaz	Coffee's ready for KilosQ and Kilos!	18:54
=== NeVeR is now known as NeVeR_
Kilos	so asked the fly if there was some integration/bindings/hooks missing	18:54
Kilos	Maaz, ty	18:54
Maaz	You are welcome Kilos	18:54
KilosQ	Maaz: ty	18:54
Maaz	You are welcome KilosQ	18:54
NeVeR_	I was here last week :>	18:55
NeVeR_	trying a new IRC client	18:55
inetpro	Kilos: can you increase the size on quassel with Ctrl++ ?	18:55
Kilos	he agreed i think its because of kde app on ubuntu	18:55
NeVeR_	using Quassel	18:55
Kilos	sec i see	18:55
KilosQ	==	18:56
KilosQ	==	18:56
Kilos	nope	18:56
Kilos	stays tiny	18:56
inetpro	Ctrl+Shift++	18:56
magespawn	NeVer_ a client only or are you connected to a core?	18:57
KilosQ	yoohoo	18:57
KilosQ	slimseun	18:57
magespawn	Cool kilos	18:57
inetpro	sadly I don't think that will work on choqok	18:57
KilosQ	maybe that will work in choqok too	18:57
NeVeR_	Ctrl + works for me	18:57
NeVeR_	client only	18:57
KilosQ	aw	18:57
KilosQ	i try choqok	18:58
Kilos	nope	18:58
Kilos	does quassel not go through freenode?	18:59
Kilos	i had to use ctrl+shift++ NeVeR_	19:00
superfly	Kilos: what do you mean?	19:00
magespawn	It does but you can have a core installed on a server, then connect to that with the client.	19:00
magespawn	The core stays connected to the channel.	19:00
Kilos	sec superfly i gotta go look what i said	19:01
NeVeR_	ooooh. so u only connect once with a core then can connect to the code with as many clients as you want?	19:01
superfly	NeVeR_: indeed	19:02
Kilos	oh sorry superfly i didnt finish what i was trying to tell him then he came up with ctrl++	19:02
NeVeR_	whats the point of that though??	19:02
magespawn	So you never miss anything	19:02
NeVeR_	lol	19:02
NeVeR_	in some channels it would be bad	19:03
magespawn	The core would normally be on a hosted server or some such.	19:03
magespawn	Too much chatter.	19:03
superfly	NeVeR_: I can connect from my phone too :-)	19:06
NeVeR_	lol cool	19:06
NeVeR_	I used to connect from my phone yeaaaaaaaaaarrrs ago	19:06
NeVeR_	havent really used IRC for the past few years though	19:06
NeVeR_	just started last week	19:06
NeVeR_	cos I hate my job :P	19:07
Kilos	NeVeR_, are you new here?	19:07
Kilos	or an old ubuntu-za guy	19:07
Kilos	ty inetpro now just to get choqok fonts bigger then im good for anything	19:09
inetpro	Kilos: eh, I'm struggling to get choqok running	19:10
Kilos	hahaha why?	19:10
inetpro	on unity	19:11
inetpro	it starts but then goes missing	19:11
Kilos	oh my	19:11
inetpro	goes missing from the panel	19:11
inetpro	so I can't launch the app to change anything	19:11
Kilos	reconfigure the thing	19:12
Kilos	or reinstall it	19:12
NeVeR_	Im new here, was here for the first time about 2 weeks ago	19:12
NeVeR_	wanted to know if it was worth doing any certification	19:12
NeVeR_	got told its a waste of time	19:13
Kilos	well welcome to ubuntu-za NeVeR_ who told you that and did you ask him why?	19:13
Kilos	there must be a reason	19:14
NeVeR_	Can't remember who.. was someone in here.. they said experience is all that matters, and you won't get paid more based on having a certificate or not..	19:14
NeVeR_	I wanted to do RHCE and ubuntu certified engineer exams	19:15
Kilos	eish	19:15
NeVeR_	but if I won't earn more then its wasting my time :P	19:15
Kilos	qualifications are never a waste of time	19:15
Kilos	were you on the same pc?	19:16
NeVeR_	yea but I wanted to do them to earn more money now.. I dont intend to work for anyone in a few years so wanted something to do something that will help me earn more now so that I can save more and start my company sooner :P	19:17
Kilos	as in can you scroll back and look it up	19:17
NeVeR_	I was using the web based client	19:17
Kilos	aw	19:17
superfly	NeVeR_: certs help you attain a certain level of skill, but unless you practice those skills the certs will be useless	19:18
Kilos	someone place a link here last night about what diffs qualifications make to salary	19:18
superfly	experience trumps certificates any day	19:18
Kilos	but dont know if i can scroll back far enough	19:18
NeVeR_	lol	19:18
NeVeR_	I been a system administrator for 5 years	19:19
Kilos	yes superfly but without any certificates its hard to get in the front door	19:19
NeVeR_	using mainly CentOS and gentoo.. started using ubuntu about 6 months ago	19:19
magespawn	Certificates back up your skill claims	19:19
magespawn	Lpi is based on centOS	19:20
NeVeR_	ubuntu is the business :) debian ftw	19:21
Kilos	NeVeR_, if you want to self study i can give you some links	19:21
NeVeR_	its fine I dont want to study... hehe	19:22
NeVeR_	I just wanted to do the exams, but if it won't help me earn more then I dont want to waste money	19:22
Kilos	haha	19:22
Kilos	is it that expensive to write exams	19:22
NeVeR_	I'm trying to save R200k so that I can take 2 years off work	19:22
NeVeR_	to start a company	19:23
Kilos	http://www.lpi.org/blog/global-knowledge-2012-it-skills-and-salary-report	19:23
magespawn	Somewhat Kilos. What do you want to do NeVeR_ ?	19:24
NeVeR_	I want to start as many companies as possible.. starting a TShirt printing company at the moment with my gf, starting a web dev / hosting company with another guy.. I can't really do web dev while I'm working because its conflict of interest, so I want to save as much money as quickly as possible	19:25
NeVeR_	I thought a quick way to earn more was to do RHCE	19:26
magespawn	Spend less, lol	19:26
NeVeR_	because a friend of mine got offered 4x his salary with another company as soon as he finished his RHCE	19:26
Kilos	hehe	19:26
magespawn	Use as little as possible of your own money when starting a business.	19:27
NeVeR_	I dont spend allot.. mine and my gfs combined living / social costs are R10k a month... everything after that we save	19:27
NeVeR_	Yes I don't want to use my money for the company :P I want to use my money to live off for a few years. if I can get 2 years without working for anyone, I'm pretty sure I'll get at least one company to work	19:28
magespawn	A lot is relative, thats more than my wife and I earn combined	19:28
NeVeR_	R10k is more than ur combined income? how? we have a tiny 1 bedroom place and the rent is R4k a month O_o	19:29
magespawn	I live in Hluhluwe, so rent is cheaper, but we make domsome how.	19:30
NeVeR_	my gf doesn't currently work... if our tshirt company takes off then I might be able to leave work soon soon	19:30
NeVeR_	what work do u do magespawn?	19:31
magespawn	Well I am always on the look out for new businesses, so if you want advice or just to chat you can fine me here.	19:31
magespawn	I work as a field guide, but I also have a Internet cafe and pc shop.	19:32
NeVeR_	nice :) all I really want is my own company(ies)	19:32
NeVeR_	I dont work to work for anyone	19:33
NeVeR_	so sick of it	19:33
NeVeR_	My previous manager never ever told me what to do, then he became CIO, now he and my current manager always tell me what to do	19:33
NeVeR_	just over it :P	19:33
superfly	NeVeR_: working for others has the advantage of no worries of where your salary is coming from, and you don't work yourself into the ground	19:33
superfly	being your own boss means always worrying about where the next bit of cash is coming from, and working yourself to death just to earn a few rands (especially in web dev)	19:34
* superfly has done it, and doesn't want to go back there if he can help it		19:34
magespawn	Mm, even when employed you can lose your salary, false sense of security. You take the path most suited to you, the world needs all types.	19:35
NeVeR_	I dont mind working myself to death.. .I currently do that anyway. I work almost 300 hours a month as it is	19:36
NeVeR_	I'm sick of corporate bs and poor management. I'd be happy to work for the company I currently worked for if I could work from home all the time and if they would never phone me	19:37
Kilos	ouch dead isnt lekker, no girlfriends there	19:37
magespawn	Lol	19:38
NeVeR_	lol	19:39
Kilos	inetpro, you winning?	19:39
* superfly has a wife and family... they don't take lightly to a husband and father they never see		19:41
* Kilos agrees		19:41
NeVeR_	but if I work for myself, I'll always be at home, so my gf will be happy	19:42
Kilos	NeVeR_, where are you?	19:42
NeVeR_	she doesn't mind if I work allot at home, its when I'm at work and dont talk to her that she gets upset	19:42
NeVeR_	JHB	19:42
NeVeR_	Randburg	19:43
Kilos	ah lotsa work there	19:43
NeVeR_	yea where are you?	19:43
Kilos	pta	19:43
NeVeR_	lots of work there too?	19:43
NeVeR_	or not really?	19:43
Kilos	i dont work	19:43
NeVeR_	howcome?	19:43
Kilos	work on sisters nerves only	19:43
NeVeR_	lol	19:44
Kilos	and the guys here	19:44
NeVeR_	why dont u work?	19:44
Kilos	i kinda crashed	19:44
magespawn	Kilos is the Oom of the group	19:44
NeVeR_	crashed? O_o u retired?	19:44
magespawn	Does enough here, me thinks.	19:44
Kilos	no disabled kinda because of head injury	19:44
Kilos	argued with a windmill	19:44
magespawn	Reformed geek	19:45
Kilos	haha	19:45
NeVeR_	:\|	19:45
NeVeR_	sorry to hear :(	19:45
Kilos	its fine now since i found ubuntu and ubuntu-za	19:46
Kilos	ty	19:46
Kilos	now i dont need brains, there are plenty here	19:46
inetpro	Kilos: eh	19:46
inetpro	sorry, had closed quassel	19:47
Kilos	inetpro, whats happening	19:47
Kilos	np	19:47
inetpro	tried lotsa stuffs	19:47
Kilos	did you google?	19:47
superfly	NeVeR_: just because you're at home doesn't mean you'll be available... that's a common fallacy	19:47
Kilos	google is your friend	19:47
inetpro	choqok now working in my Unity interface but the icon in teh system tray is still missinhg	19:47
Kilos	sjoe	19:48
NeVeR_	:P Yes I know, but if I give her an hour each day, and maybe a few extra on a sunday, she'll be happy	19:48
superfly	inetpro: it's because Unity doesn't support the SysTray standard	19:48
superfly	NeVeR_: if you work from home she'll think you're always available	19:48
inetpro	http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-and-enable-more-icons-to-be-in-the-system-tray	19:48
inetpro	superfly: I tried that ^^ but it still aint werking	19:48
Kilos	is quassel always a cli starter	19:49
magespawn	Indeed superfly, indeed. My work follows me home more than I want, getting called at 07:30 on Sunday for ex.	19:49
Kilos	dont see it in internet goodies	19:49
NeVeR_	she knows I work hard.. we've been living together for a year and a half. I work from home 2x a week so she knows how hard I work.	19:49
inetpro	superfly: any other ideas?	19:49
magespawn	Not as far as i know.	19:49
superfly	inetpro: not the foggiest	19:50
superfly	NeVeR_: doesn't matter, my wife and I have been married for almost 5 years, she still thought I was always available when I did some freelance work between jobs at the end of last year	19:51
Kilos	hey psydroid whats your nick in twitter	19:52
Kilos	you follow but dont say anything so i can see who you are	19:52
NeVeR_	my gf is very busy too though.. she's an artist, so she's constantly paiting/drawing/writing poems/etc... she's going to have a crap load of work to do once the shirt printing company takes off... its allot of work	19:52
Kilos	haha then you can bug her NeVeR_	19:52
NeVeR_	:P indeed.. she's already saying I'm going to be in her spacethe whole time	19:54
Kilos	lol	19:54
NeVeR_	http://unroll.me/ <--- anyone tried this?	19:54
NeVeR_	looks interesting	19:54
Kilos	Banlam, why so quiet?	19:57
Kilos	oh my all of a sardine quassel is in internet goodies	19:57
KilosQ_	yay	19:59
Banlam	kilos, i was being quiet?	20:00
Kilos	ah lurking	20:00
Banlam	well i mean i'm always on	20:01
Banlam	whether i'm paying attention or not is another question	20:01
Banlam	but flashing windows tend to change that	20:01
Kilos	ah	20:01
Banlam	:)	20:01
Kilos	you dont get sounds	20:01
Banlam	noo	20:02
Kilos	lol i love the bloep when someone talks to me	20:02
Banlam	my system alert sounds are pretty much muted	20:02
inetpro	Kilos: moet jy nie slaap nie?	20:15
inetpro	looks like you found a new life?	20:15
Kilos	lol no man im sukkeling with quassel	20:16
Kilos	trying to find alerts and nick list shows empty	20:16
inetpro	Kilos: probeer konversation	20:16
Kilos	is dit n ander im ding	20:17
inetpro	hmm... dalk nie	20:18
inetpro	te veel dependancies	20:18
inetpro	quassel is lekker lig	20:18
Kilos	quassel het baie gehad maar ek dink ek wen stadig. net als het ander name	20:18
Kilos	lol dit was vir n rukkie als in japanese	20:19
* inetpro installing konversation		20:20
inetpro	amasing that it even depends on mysql	20:20
Kilos	you giving up on quassel	20:20
inetpro	Kilos: nee, ek eksperimenteer maar net	20:20
Kilos	oh same here	20:21
inetpro	wil eintlik ontslae raak van unity	20:21
Kilos	quassel and xchat look lots alike	20:21
inetpro	ok, that didn't go down well	20:25
Kilos	lol	20:26
Kilos	truth hurts	20:26
inetpro	after installing and running (configuring) konversation compiz uses 100% cpu	20:26
Kilos	oh my	20:27
Kilos	that sucks	20:27
inetpro	but I'll try again	20:27
Kilos	ok then guys. sleep tight. see you tomorrow	20:32
Kilos	good luck inetpro	20:32
hibana	hmm... he left?	20:33
hibana	konversation still as nice as ever	20:34
magespawn	Night all.	21:00
inetpro	fp	22:01
inetpro	I think I've found my twitter client of choice	22:01
inetpro	it's on the web	22:02
inetpro	Just perfect for me on Firefox https://web.tweetdeck.com/	22:02
inetpro	or it just could be, will test over the next few days	22:13
inetpro	now time for some sleep	22:13
Banlam	oh	22:13
Banlam	it's already tomorrow	22:14
inetpro	Banlam: exactly	22:14
* Banlam is going to do some work for a few hours		22:14

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